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Tactlessness, thy name is Daisy.
Fighting for what’s right? Ha, more like BLACK AND WHITE MORALITY.
Seriously, I know Abbey means well, but nice? He totally overreacted to Paulo in Fade Away, and he’s so sexist, saying bullying is wrong yet completely ignoring Lucy’s flagrant abuse of Mike. I’m sorry Daisy, but I have to disagree.
Also, the art here is beautiful! Seriously, the shading is wonderful and the colors are so vivid!
SmashGenesis March 16, 2012, 12:00 AM EST.
Sweet lol I the last panel and his eyes
dustin March 16, 2012, 12:00 AM EST.
*facepalm* Smooth move ladies, smooth move *gives Abby a friendly man hug* You do not tell the kid that’s having emotional issues about his experiance with his abusive father and say that he can be “scary”, that would lead any kid with half a working brain to see said abusive father in himself (even if it’s completely off).
God….. I love this page just that
kdebones March 16, 2012, 12:00 AM EST.
I love how Daisy says it so cutely too..
abbey in dat last panel adfgss
Honey March 16, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.
I absolutely adore the car. *__* And, oh Daisy. There is never a moment of dullness with you.
Scellane Rain March 16, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.
Haha, poor Abbey!
Raven March 16, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.
Bwahhhh! Daisy! <3
Sleeps March 16, 2012, 12:02 AM EST.
Unf, silly Daisy…you mean no harm, but d’you think that was really the best thing you could’ve said, considering? :c Also, you’re all sad for posting single lines/smilies to get the top three, rofl. Top three no longer matters. |3
Yaschiri March 16, 2012, 12:03 AM EST.
Sometimes justice must be delivered harshly, but you must do what you believe is right.
Xenos March 16, 2012, 12:04 AM EST.
Daisy, stop. You’re making it worse…
Ice Shield March 16, 2012, 12:07 AM EST.
For Christ sake Abby, take the damn compliments.
Slenderman March 16, 2012, 12:08 AM EST.
final panel Abbey! FFFFFFF- looks like the WTH emote with added depression.
Lunas March 16, 2012, 12:14 AM EST.
oh boy Daisy is making it worse for Abbey, and I am surprised that he makes the school president fears him. I wonder what he is doing to make them fear Abbey ……oh wait I remember hes Fuhrer Abbey, that’s why they fear him.
Darf14 March 16, 2012, 12:14 AM EST.
Possible flashback coming up? Maybe, just looks like it would be appropriate for the way the page ends. Also as nice as Daisy is, that comment really seemed to just kill Abbey on the inside. Probably more so than it was ment to because his real mom was scared of his dad; therefore, something like that coming from his girlfriend makes him feel that he is just like his dad.
ZZ March 16, 2012, 12:18 AM EST.
abbey is kind of getting on my nerves at this point… i mean, everytime he gets a compliment, he goes into a breakdown, which leads to flashbacks of him saving his mother and feeling terrible about it.
does he really hate the fact that he saved his mother’s life that badly?
that’s what it seems like, i mean, he keeps looking like he feels bad for sending his dad to prison and preventing his mother’s early funeral.
give the damn kid some prozac.
Thanatos March 16, 2012, 12:23 AM EST.
What a righteous hero.
Sonata March 16, 2012, 12:26 AM EST.
Widdle knight of justice Abbey! He fights dragons and the Loch Ness monster who asks for tree fiddy!
UltimateZ March 16, 2012, 12:28 AM EST.
I bet Abbey is SUPER thrilled over bring Daisy along now, huh? Seriously, I cannot friggin’ BELIEVE she just said that. ****.
Janet looks a little…odd in Panel 5. Hm.
NintendoSegaSonyGuy March 16, 2012, 12:31 AM EST.
Daisy…… come on………. Daisy Daisy Daisy….
Eh, I’d still wish for a girlfriend that nice…..
Taeshi, I honestly don’t have anything I think I want to nit-pick on this page. It’s very nice! Keep up the good work!
Anonymous One March 16, 2012, 12:34 AM EST.
@Thanatos: No, see, he feels bad because he still thinks that he was in the wrong, no doubt because his father told him that he ruined everything. He is questioning himself and isn’t sure if he is fighting for what is right anymore and so he feels bad.
Anagha March 16, 2012, 12:35 AM EST.
Yes that is exactly what you should say at this moment Daisy. *facepaw*
No! Fight is one of his trigger words! *Abbey rages*
Toyota RAV4 ftw! : D
JC March 16, 2012, 12:35 AM EST.
OH don’t be so serious Abby. Your dad got angry out of selfishness, you just get a little overzealous but you don’t seek violence or the pain of others. Maybe cut down on the sugar drinks and instead have some camomile tea.
MisterVale March 16, 2012, 12:40 AM EST.
Cata :3 March 16, 2012, 12:43 AM EST.
you can see Abbey starting to smile, and then falling flat on his face as she finishes her sentence. cx
-cries- oh Daisy. <3
sometimes she knows EXACTLY what to say. ……….. and then she does this.
bahahaha. poor sweet Abbey….. ;^; <3
‘spose it’s the thought that counts, right? we knew Daisy was TRYING to complement him, it just came out wrong/. cx
come on Abbey, smilee. ;D
I’m almost loving dat car. but then is stares into my soul and chases me away |c -cowers in corner-
is it just me, or does it appear to have harsher lines than the usual softness? mayhaps that’s what scares me ;^;
also, strangesmooshyroad has no lines. #_# -slapped-
I’ll shut up nouw. #Q#
DOAH. and that was by no mean an excuse for Taeshi to whine.
I LOVE YOU TAESHIIIIIIII. YOUR ARTWORK IS BEAUTIFULLL. JUST LIKE YOUUUUUUU~ <3
punny March 16, 2012, 1:00 AM EST.
Abbey is a Paladin. ‘nuff said.
Mookie March 16, 2012, 1:05 AM EST.
They really aren’t helping. I mean Janet started helping and daisy’s first sentence was helpful but everything after was just plain useless if not exacerbating to Abby’s emotional thoughts of “I’m a bad person”.
Wolf128 March 16, 2012, 1:07 AM EST.
Daisy and Janet embarrassin’ Abbey here.
X-strike-fire-dragon March 16, 2012, 1:07 AM EST.
N-star March 16, 2012, 1:12 AM EST.
Daisy and Abby are such a good couple. How long does anyone think they’ll last?
Kyotoshien March 16, 2012, 1:19 AM EST.
love the way Daisy’s eyes are coloured in the 7th panel there. Probably coulda done without the scary at school comment, haha, poor Abbey. maybe it’s just because of the lighting in this page, but I never realized how red Abbey’s nose is, it really pops out. I also like how the general colour scheme of this page is mostly cool colours, it looks nice against all of their fur tones.
rishi-chan March 16, 2012, 1:22 AM EST.
Grace March 16, 2012, 1:29 AM EST.
‘Fighting’, what a lovely way to put it, while he’s still having flashbacks about his father fighting his mother and all those people.
Nice, I like it.
evolakip March 16, 2012, 1:40 AM EST.
That is an absurdly detailed car for a webcomic. I appreciate this greatly. >=| Too often drawn cars are just boxes that happen to have wheels and some squiggly movement lines. I would guess it’s a Chevy HHR, but I’m not sure.
Squirrel March 16, 2012, 1:46 AM EST.
Car= Toyota RAV4? I think it’s my favorite character.
Anyway, oh daisy, how you can almost say the perfect thing.
CallMeTom March 16, 2012, 1:58 AM EST.
In my oppinion Daisy wasn’t blunt, she was just being honest in a good way and the double female support proves it.
Alex March 16, 2012, 2:01 AM EST.
he is a bit of an emotional wreck at the moment and hell recive anything they say badly .
i dont know if his mom is dead or not but this whole psicotrip has exposed a lot of him , he is way more interesting than i though , i realy didnt care for him for a long time but now i atualy do again
DrackeStalenTorgen March 16, 2012, 2:06 AM EST.
you’re still on the FF cat thing, you know you’ll never convince them of the truth. as a wise man once said “No matter how big the lie; repeat it often enough and the masses will regard it as the truth”.
As for abbey, you think we’ll still get a psuedo star wars moment in the future of abbey contemplating going to the dark side of the lamp.
strider March 16, 2012, 2:08 AM EST.
Thank the lord for Janet. Abbey really needs to hear this kind of support from everyone right now (like Janet and Daisy) to believe he’s actually not the reason his “family” was ruined. But it’s clear from his expression he doesn’t fully believe it in the last panel.
Sylvia March 16, 2012, 2:39 AM EST.
Well, Daisy might be tactless but that middle panel proves she can so cute we’re she’s doing it.
I imagine Abbey sinking into his seat in the last panel; the perspective kind of makes it look like he is, even though he isn’t.
The Good Doctor March 16, 2012, 2:42 AM EST.
Oh dear, though Daisy and Janet had meant to sound reassuring, it has only worsened his mood. Abbey believes fighting for what’s right is what “ruined” the family. Only it wasn’t, that blame lies solely with Abbeys dad. Hopefully seeing his mother, in whatever condition she may be in, will resolve his internal conflict.
Sammy March 16, 2012, 2:46 AM EST.
Can i get a star if i tell u the expreshions on this page are absolutly sublime
JustSomeCritic March 16, 2012, 2:47 AM EST.
Looks like we’ll be going Ito another flashback or maybe see more of angst Abbey if Daisy continues to try and cheer him up.
Izaya March 16, 2012, 3:07 AM EST.
So he does, Janet, but not sure if it’s an aspect of him that he’s proud of. Perhaps having done so reminds him of his father, like Augustus implied before. Still not sure how he knows any of that… But still; once he and his mother reunite, try convincing him to put all that behind him. At least try to. We’ve got enough drama to go around, at least convince him to loosen up a little. After all, he’s got you, Molly and Daisy with him.
Well, it’s just a suggestion.
Harris012 March 16, 2012, 3:12 AM EST.
Abbey’s nose is really red. Abbey the red-nose kitty~ Well, I doubt he’d appreciate that particular nickname.
nanxi March 16, 2012, 3:21 AM EST.
I love Daisy and all, but… just a little too soon… lol
eatedurtaco March 16, 2012, 4:18 AM EST.
Abbey is going to have another flashback,its gonna be suspenseful and interesting.
BTW:the car is good as the previous one
... March 16, 2012, 4:29 AM EST.
That awkward moment when your girlfriend thinks you’re scary
Cam March 16, 2012, 4:49 AM EST.
“Fighting” for what’s right.
Dusk March 16, 2012, 5:09 AM EST.
It’s good that Abbey at least regrets the actions caused by his black-and-white morality. He’s capable of being a genuinely nice guy and already means well, he just functions on poor, under-thought instinct.
…I just don’t think the best time to have the issue brought up is right before a visit to his hospitalized mother for the first time, though!
Sam March 16, 2012, 6:04 AM EST.
Nuka March 16, 2012, 6:24 AM EST.
Oh great, now I’m wondering what favor Molly asked for! I love how this comic is always keeping me on the edge of my seat. It’s so fun thinking of what the next page will be. At this point though, I have no idea, and that’s what’s even more fun!
Riku March 16, 2012, 6:36 AM EST.
This just made the ride more awkward for Abbey I think
CTS4Kouhei March 16, 2012, 7:12 AM EST.
Abbys nose alil to red dont u think? Well it costed me about 5$ on 3g going a round this site today but it was….TOTTALY WORTH IT!!!!
jell-o March 16, 2012, 7:49 AM EST.
I have a feeling another flashback is coming up.
Ruby March 16, 2012, 7:49 AM EST.
After reading Taeshi’s diary comics, I have to say, Janet sounds like SuitCase here.
Tacocat867 March 16, 2012, 7:52 AM EST.
Daisy’s right Abby can be scary some time
Yuki March 16, 2012, 8:13 AM EST.
Robin March 16, 2012, 8:15 AM EST.
In Abbey’s defense, he’s generally scary in a GOOD way. He very firmly believes in what he believes in. And that’s the difference between scary-good and scary-bad, which is like when he gets into fistfights and stuff. :3
Jessica U. Ingmann March 16, 2012, 8:36 AM EST.
Very much agree with Janet on this page. He really is a good guy, even with what his father’s figure still hanging over him. I can only wish that some day Daisy may be able to finally break that part of him away from his good side so it can finally leave him at peace.
… Oh! And before I forget…
Awesomeness, thy name is Taeshi.
Felix March 16, 2012, 8:53 AM EST.
WOW TAESHI!! And you said you have difficulty drawing cars ;D
Daisy is just trying to help… despite her tactlessness
Silversoma March 16, 2012, 9:18 AM EST.
oh Daisy, you’re such a Daisy x3
Raichu March 16, 2012, 9:18 AM EST.
At some point, I think, Abby needs to start internal monologueing~
Huh? March 16, 2012, 9:30 AM EST.
sheesh god bucking damn Taeshi did you learn anything on how to draw cars?
Soul March 16, 2012, 9:49 AM EST.
Agreed Taeshi…agreed….poor Abbey is so unnerving
Ikuto March 16, 2012, 10:12 AM EST.
its cute how Janet’s ears just flop over her hair
i am a happy guppy March 16, 2012, 10:25 AM EST.
… so is abbey isnt the class president anymore?
eagammer1 March 16, 2012, 10:32 AM EST.
My first thought was “Taeshi’s getting better at drawing cars.”
My second thought was “Whooooa, Janet looks weird in panel five.”
Sorry, but she looks very manly in that panel.
Anyway, poor Abbey. At first, I thought he was embarrassed, but he’s more likely spiralling into depression again.
ravengal March 16, 2012, 10:33 AM EST.
Last panel gives us as sign and that sign is “FLASHBACK.”
Starkeyblade March 16, 2012, 10:34 AM EST.
Oooh, Abbey feels awkward. Daisy is kinda… well, insensitive. But Janet tries to keep up the mood.
Anonymousx101 March 16, 2012, 10:41 AM EST.
DAISY WHAT DID YOU DO
hakr14 March 16, 2012, 11:05 AM EST.
Heh, Abbey looks like a clown in panels 3 and 4, with his red lips and nose.
“Aw, Abbey it’s okay if everyone at school fears you as if you were Godzilla, you’re jut so NICE ” Gool ol daisy
nAar March 16, 2012, 11:23 AM EST.
And cue next flashback!
Drama March 16, 2012, 11:41 AM EST.
Daisy’s really helpful right now. :3
PurpleLeaf March 16, 2012, 11:42 AM EST.
yep pretty good work there daisy you sure are the helpful one
killerklown March 16, 2012, 12:01 PM EST.
No-one March 16, 2012, 12:40 PM EST.
always good to lighten up a drama filled chapter ^^
ben the lucario March 16, 2012, 12:58 PM EST.
Great one, Daisy
Pained March 16, 2012, 2:06 PM EST.
I caught up! Now Iam sad.
Paulo is gonna explode on mike.
tk March 16, 2012, 3:12 PM EST.
Abbey's biggest fan March 16, 2012, 3:32 PM EST.
Thanks Taeshi for the wonderfull gift, BCI membership is da ****
PS: im Paulo x Molly now xD
UltraKip March 16, 2012, 4:27 PM EST.
And I just realized all the pets love Lucy and will hate mike for this.
But enough of that. This isn’t about that issue.
I am trembling about this. The state of the mother….how is she… I hope solace can be found…
I can sympathies with you author. I write myself and I feel awful for the awful things I do to my characters. Even if it seems they live their own lives and the sorry is telling itself at times, I feel responsible. Not assuming you feel the same. I do take this stuff too seriously
tk March 16, 2012, 4:51 PM EST.
I really like abbey. He does make mistakes and he has horrible scars, but he has great mettle and will to do good. He shows a lot of potential and has turned a lot of his mettle into results.
tk March 16, 2012, 4:54 PM EST.
@tk- why would Paulo explode on Mike? o.O
Knuc March 16, 2012, 5:08 PM EST.
that is a car. Good enough. B.
mercury March 16, 2012, 5:25 PM EST.
@knuc: actually that bit was meant for the comic at the party. Hard to keep up with tabs on my mobile.
Paulo knows mike is responsible for something horrible to do with Lucy.
But right now abbey and his mom are what matters.
tk March 16, 2012, 5:34 PM EST.
Abbey’s suddenly disturbed by Janet’s comment….hmmmm….
Kenshin March 16, 2012, 5:47 PM EST.
Taeshi i’d work on cars alittle more but i’m only saying i’m horrible at drawing cars so i can’t say i’m any better.
any way getting back to the comic i really want to see what Abbey’s mother is doing now after the whole insident of Abbey and Molly’s childhood nightmare. also i’m guessing Molly had Abbey take the gifts with him to their mother.
Kyla March 16, 2012, 6:12 PM EST.
I thought Janet’s eyes were blue….
Anyway, this is doing nothing for me. I only liked Daisy when she was after Mike…she actually seemed interesting and I thought she would end up eing one of those twisted rivals.
That being said…when will this be over? This is so PAINFUL.
All I care about are Lucy and Paulo….I haven’t seen them in forever…..-_-
Mwah ha ha March 16, 2012, 6:17 PM EST.
Has he… SAID anything yet?
That person March 16, 2012, 7:20 PM EST.
I like how in the last panel, Abbey’s right eye is practically resting on the panel border.
I keep picturing that thing just rolling off on it’s own, sick of Abbey’s ****.
Dayte March 16, 2012, 9:47 PM EST.
Man, I wish Tv Tropes had a section for “Crowning moments of Derp”, cause this one, this one single moment from Daisy, absolutely takes the cake.
CynicaIdealist March 16, 2012, 11:14 PM EST.
Well, he may now show a emotion apart from depressed emo.
Way to go Daisy!
Juliane C March 17, 2012, 12:24 AM EST.
Me thinks someone has a bad habit of not looking at the road.
Nicky March 17, 2012, 12:24 AM EST.
A bit lengthy from actually reading all of the comments…
@ Cynicaldealist You could always put it on “Up to 11” and say that Daisy takes tactlessness and “Crowning Moments of Derp” up to 12 xD
@JC Our family happens to own one of those actually. Held up a good few years, though the current car of choice is an Xterra…Transmission on the RAV broke one time on the interstate…”Toyota: Drifting Backwards”…Family joke and still laugh, but yes, go RAV4. Though I doubt Taeshi meant a particular car.
@Nicky That’s the first thing you noticed? xD
@SmashGen Even so, that could be part of his upbringing. And someone else already commented on the regret felt due to it.So maybe a regret and possible redemption phase going on? Plus, in Lucy’s defense, they say you love most who gets the worst from you. Perhaps Abbey understood that, though for Lucy it was a bit late to see it.
@ Derp reliving it almost daily and it eating at you…no kidding.Not a pleasant experience
…Erm, I knew there were more I wanted to reply to, but don’t remember—This is long enough already(and yes, I know I have a bad habit of reading all of them and wanting to rep to everything >.>). To the chase:
I can honestly say I’ve been there on this one, both ways—stubborn to refuse compliments, and tactless enough to hurt the people I care about most, and at the same time been the one to be hurt.All I can say is a mind can get one-tracked when trying to help someone xD Daisy is well…Daisy about that. I just hope this doesn’t end too badly for them both because of it,what with the supposed state of his mom.
And I can kinda see a character resemblance here as was mentioned before. Abbey would be Taeshi on a small thing happening all day, and Souppy the one comforting…And then it not going well(dog gif diary comic is a bit of an example) xD Taeshi, I know you’re trying to better your drawing as possible, but try to take compliments from your readers.
That said, another great page for a Fri. Not as cliffhangery as others, but still a great page. On to Monday! (Gah, there was something else, but oh well.Wall of text gone,like my train of thought >3> Sorry for the length)
SKAya March 17, 2012, 2:54 AM EST.
No offence Daisy, or Janice, but neither of you are doing anything but freaking him out.
Vega March 17, 2012, 2:59 AM EST.
You’re more like your father then you’d like to believe, Abbey. But I’m not going to relish the moment when you hear it from a loved one, because life may lead you in the wrong direction. For this reason, I find no point in rubbing it in your face. P.S. x
TraceLegacySSOF March 17, 2012, 3:51 AM EST.
I like Abbey - the ends justify the means, anyway.
Joey March 17, 2012, 4:12 AM EST.
Oh my God there nearly there I can’t wait till Monday
I really wanna know what happens Plz make it go right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maisie March 17, 2012, 6:16 AM EST.
that can be a dangerous statement, you know?
boh... March 17, 2012, 7:47 AM EST.
LikexMu-Paulo March 17, 2012, 9:48 AM EST.
Little Abbey, so lovely. But what’s wrong with his head?
Well, I can’t believe how stupid can be Daisy.
Kyosuke March 17, 2012, 11:13 AM EST.
oh my god sorry I’m so late the other computer was NOT working so i had to get on the laptop it was so hard!! ANY WHO, that’s pretty scary to see the Abbey was scary UNTIL i noticed Janet said he always fighting for whats right until i saw Abbey’s face and then I saw and i was kinda upset at him but I also felt proud because he can face his fears and then get to see his mother after about ( I’m guessing ) 10 years but I’m glad that he could see his mom.
GoldenCappuccinoFlame March 17, 2012, 12:25 PM EST.
So wait, Molly isn’t going with them? I kinda thought she would since she’s always making those little gifties for her. Then this roadtrip happens and Molly skips out on it? Kinda weird.
Zenz March 17, 2012, 3:13 PM EST.
What happened to Janet’s eyes in panel 5? o O
Kular March 17, 2012, 3:33 PM EST.
@SmashGenesis: Abbey acts that way because of what happened with his parents. When he sees guys acting like ******** to girls or treating them in a way which can be seen as cruel, mean or over all just be taken the wrong way, he instantly remembers what happened to his mother and feels enraged. He wants to protect females as his way of compensating for how his father acted towards his mother. He is taking his father’s mistakes as his own and overreacting to how other guys treat females because he regrets what happened to his mother and doesn’t want that to happen to anyone that he could easily protect.
That is why he went on a long rant at Mike for ignoring Daisy’s distress and why he despises Paulo’s way of acting around females, it reminds him of how his father harmed his mother and how he treated her like she was worth very little to him. In other words, he feels like he has to be a guardian for all females and correct the males that dare treat them in a manner which he finds unacceptable.
However this of course causes a subconscious double standard. Even though he doesn’t like females being treated in an unacceptable manner, because his father was a ******* and he wanted him to be hurt, he didn’t see what Lucy did to Mike as wrong. If anything, he probably thought ‘he deserved it’ and dismissed the entire situation any time he saw it because he saw it as Lucy telling him when enough was enough and taking a stand each time when Mike was going too far with annoying her. He didn’t see it as wrong because, without meaning to, he instantly puts the males in the position of ‘guilty’ because with his parents, it always WAS his father that was in the wrong and his mother was always the victim.
He is still a nice person because he tolerates Paulo’s antics to an extent such as the snowballs earlier in this chapter and he did become concerned instantly when he saw that Daisy seemed upset earlier in the chapter, he has just simply developed a damaged mindset because of what happened with his parents. He isn’t a bad person, he is just a little screwed up and he can’t see it, only someone with the knowledge of what happened besides him would be able to see why he does it and be able to tell him that he is doing it.
Moogle March 17, 2012, 7:20 PM EST.
Tactless, more like brainless.
That one bitch March 17, 2012, 8:33 PM EST.
That is a really amazingly-drawn car.
Jupi March 17, 2012, 9:35 PM EST.
Its still refreshing to know that a dog is driving a car
I am a happy guppy March 18, 2012, 3:07 AM EST.
Hm. No clue on her name yet, but Lucy will maybe have a friend like her brother. Defensively decking folks that mess with his little sister. Abbey, of course. Molly may be a knockout and that will only raise the likelihood. Abbey and Daisy,, which almost guarantees an annoyed Paulo, could potentially catch on to and help Mike get over his grudge as well. We will see what we will see.
Hoheh March 18, 2012, 11:44 AM EST.
I think I’m in lucy-withdrawal. I need to see her!!!
boh... March 18, 2012, 2:38 PM EST.
Bittersweet Candy Bowl?
Still better for me than Homestuck.
( I still don’t get why Homestuck is being so popular btw. )
Maritin March 18, 2012, 8:52 PM EST.
Sh@t meets fan
EDIT: for some reason i tried to post this on the next page but it booted it back to this one? @_@
Echo March 19, 2012, 2:13 PM EST.
“Thanks Daisy, this isn’t emotionally hard enough… Remind me, why do I let you use me to help you get over Michael again?”
No, good page! Nice soft colours and lighting.
Roxor41 March 19, 2012, 2:40 PM EST.
No offense, but that’s kind of a bad drawing of a Toyota.
L131 March 20, 2012, 1:47 PM EST.
is what I think gonna happen? is abbey’s mother….. let’s just find out!
mad hatter July 14, 2012, 4:40 PM EST.
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