78. Safe Boundaries, page posted 8/27/13

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Veronica’s Commentary

i like how paulo doesn’t know whether to be more grossed out by daisy or abbey

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Comment ID #257749

Mike finally noticed this awkward conversation (, well, we can find that Paulo is really treat Daisy as his sister). Guessing what he is thinking now. (Or he just stopped pretending he wasn’t listening. ) As we know, he has got used to being involved in things like this.

HongKat August 27, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #257750

Paulo really did not need that thought inside his head. D:

For anyone that thinks Paulo is jealous: He’s not jealous of Abbey at all. Why would he be?

Paulo’s just kind of disgusted by the thought of his “little sister” Daisy being in the same bed as that fruitcake Abbey. 8-)

I’m wondering how much Mike actually paid attention to. Probably listened to the whole thing by using his super hearing, but he didn’t want to interrupt this sensitive topic they were discussing. Why would anyone want to step into that bowl of awkward? :unsure:

supertails19 August 27, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #257751

You’re awesome with bait-and-switching drama with comedy. It’s hilarious Taeshi XD

Deiser August 27, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #257752

Awww, Paulo, honey. #^_^#

Lizzie August 27, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #257753

Is he jealous?

ARK August 27, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #257754

Daisy blushed hard there…

Paulo_fan August 27, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #257755

Poor Paulo, mental images can really do some damage.

Is it just me or does Mike look sad more than anything else.

Chrisd765 August 27, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #257756

Protective Brother mode activate? XD

Blaze August 27, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #257757

Paulo, don’t be jelly that Abbey got Daisy and you didn’t after all those visuals while on vacation at the beaches xD

Guessing August 27, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #257758

HAH. For a minute there, I thought Paulo had realized that he was a role-model….


also, did Mike even hear them?….. O.o

smh. August 27, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #257759

WHAT A CONVERSATION

shaaa August 27, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #257760

Only now does Mr. Radarears over there pay attention, typical Mike :P

Neo August 27, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #257761

Paulo so cute :-*

Marley12245 August 27, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #257762

RANDOM MIKE!

****** August 27, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #257763

lol

Natacha August 27, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #257764

Paulo really does see her as a sister.

Daisy is missing the point though. She really might get hurt over all this.

I don’t know if its ever right to put all your trust into another 15 year old person. Neither or you know what you’re doing. Academically, socially, physically, emotionally. Hell biologically, your body isn’t even mature yet. And for women, it’s far off from being an adult.

I_Love_Lucy August 27, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #257765

Does anyone else at the table actually know what mike is talking about?

Neo-Akurin August 27, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #257766

Mike: 呵,呵。

HongKat August 27, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #257767

Panel 4 is just genius. The expression on his face: Priceless. :D

Hydraclone August 27, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #257768

dat mental image

7 August 27, 2013, 1:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #257769

Awww, Paulo! He’s so worried about Daisy, while she’s just like “Naaah, isgunnabefyne!”. Will Daisy chicken out at the last second? We’ll just have to see.

Meow August 27, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #257770

Well. Guess the two lovers be getting ready to make sweet love.

DBA August 27, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #257771

Where’s Mr. Tough Guy NOW!? >ω>

Daisy’s gotta know that they both need to be ready.


On a side note, Paulo has got to stop acting the tough guy, otherwise more of this will happen to him.

ResidentEddy August 27, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #257772

jaja XD

Nice-Hero August 27, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #257773

Paulo seems to be suffering a lot these past few chapters.

DeathofInk August 27, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #257774

TAKE THAT; paulololololololoolo!!! XD

Nice-Hero August 27, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #257775

And Mike is just like WTF. lol

starfighter105 August 27, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #257776

He’s not jealous, Daisy is like his sister (his own word) And he doesn’t like abby that much.

Anju August 27, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #257777

Well, that deteriorated quickly.

Yxela007 August 27, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #257778

I love Mike’s expression in the last panel.

Isowolf August 27, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #257779

if you think paulo is jealous then BUDDY let me tell U

Whimsicott August 27, 2013, 2:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #257780

Paulo is faaaaaaaar from jealous. He’s mainly weirded out; Daisy’s like his sister. How can anyone think of their close friends having sex and not be weirded out? It’s like…imagining your parents having sex OMG NO D:

Wat August 27, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #257781

mike totally heard the hole thing….

yay.

Mewtallica August 27, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #257782

seems Daisy doesn’t remember what Abbey’s like when hes mad. Paulo got beat up by him or at lest almost a couple of times, so he knows.

TheresABirdOutsideAt12Am August 27, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #257783

*whole

Mewtallica August 27, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #257784

Paulo’s going all Darth Vader.

Soon August 27, 2013, 2:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #257785

Guys, there’s still 11 pages, there’s hope of a second softcore scene in BCB history!

Follarch August 27, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #257786

Hahahaha Paulo sprawling out over the table in repulsion is hilarious. I’m just imagining it animated, him slowly sliding around like some kind of slug. Hahahaha.

Lumi August 27, 2013, 2:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #257787

@Follarch …What was the first?

Barf August 27, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #257789

@Barf
You’ve already pulled your pants down, haven’t you?

Zot August 27, 2013, 2:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #257790

@I_Love_Lucy Everyone gets emotionally hurt at some point during their life from a relationship. I’m not sure a 15 year old is any less prepared than an 18 year old, a 21 year old, or a 30 year old person. There are plenty of people at age 30 who also have no idea what they’re doing about anything including life, love, and work. Full bodily maturity doesn’t even happen at age 18. 18 is just a random age the legal system picked as the day you become “an adult”. So I don’t find your argument too compelling. I’d still say that as long as both consent, both love each other, use protection, and are mature enough to jump for a morning-after pill if necessary, you’re good to go.

Macca August 27, 2013, 2:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #257791

Lol XD

Oh man, Paulo’s got that mental image the can’t get out of his head XD

Chocothunda August 27, 2013, 2:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #257792

Finally we can see what the super-hearing cat is looking like :)

Selef August 27, 2013, 3:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #257794

@Zot I want to thank you for a good gut laugh in an otherwise ****** day. It’s been awhile since I’ve read “cover-to-cover” on all of BCB and I just can’t figure what Follarch is talking about, unless he means Another Shoulder which would really be the softcore of softcore. I mean, you see like, a shoulder.

Barf August 27, 2013, 3:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #257795

Saved by the bell? 8-D

Ariedren August 27, 2013, 3:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #257797

Poor Paulo. He never asked for those mental images.

Titanium Dragon August 27, 2013, 3:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #257798

Well he seems protective..

Ryan August 27, 2013, 3:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #257799

@Macca

I apologize if I don’t believe that near pre-teens are mature enough to be fornicating. Sure everyone gets hurt in life, but kids are going to be the ones were their perfect worlds shatter at their feet at the smallest imperfections. They especially can’t handle it.

Most adults have already had their taste at coming back from a few failures. So yeah, they are better off dealing with sex than teens. There is an age limit on mutual consent for a reason. I think young pre-teens and teens are better off staying young for awhile longer. They are rushing into things they don’t understand too early.

But obviously me and you disagree about it so let’s leave it at that.

I_Love_Lucy August 27, 2013, 4:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #257800

Pffffffft- I love how Paulo is just like “NO, OH NO, NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo, noooooo…”. If you guys don’t know that reference, look it up on youtube.

But why does he no like sex? I mean, he’s that type of guy who likes to bang women, yet once he did it, he didn’t like it? Follow ur own advice Paulo! :nope: Derp ah herp, perm perm…

Somebody August 27, 2013, 4:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #257801

I’m a guy, but I don’t really think sex should be something that should always be on your mind. (This is to people who may get the wrong idea that I’m a perv. or sumthin. Which of course I’m frigen not. Get ur head out of teh gutter boiyz and gurlz.) I talk funny… I don’t know why… And why am I still typing? Wtf, WHY CAN’T I STOP! AHHHHHH *dies* :nope:

Somebody August 27, 2013, 4:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #257802

Poor Paulo he can’t bear to hurt her yet he can’t stand to see her with someone else.

Blackrose August 27, 2013, 4:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #257803

Mike, why you show up at the weirdest times?

KitKatMuffin August 27, 2013, 4:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #257804

aaww j-just dont get hurt, okay. Such a good “big brother”

btw how have none of the others noticed this conversation. Where is David and Tess to make this conversation even more awkward 8-D

Seoq August 27, 2013, 4:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #257805

@I_Love_Lucy
I’m pretty damn sure adults learn their lessons in their teenage years.

So I don’t see any kind of problem with consenting teenagers who respect each others boundaries are engaging in protected sex.

Vicar August 27, 2013, 5:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #257806

8-D -AWKWARD!!

Nepeta August 27, 2013, 5:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #257807

@I_Love_Lucy i fully agree. Saying “15 years olds are any less prepared for sex than adults, and if they love eachother why not what could go wrong they’re using protection” seems like a whimsical escuse to me. But well, lets just tell our children they could do it because that wont horribly backfire at all.

Me August 27, 2013, 5:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #257808

That 3rd panel was hilarious!
“HE’S MY BOYFRIEND!!!” XD total win

Mcturtle August 27, 2013, 5:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #257809

Jajaja the mike’s WTF face jaja!

eagle August 27, 2013, 5:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #257811

@I_Love_Lucy I think the right age depends on the person. There are tons of 15 year olds that aren’t ready, but 15 is a few steps from 16, which is the legal age of consent for many states in the US. So it’s not like their far from the legal maturity many areas believe to be sufficient.

It really depends on who it is. And as far as I can see, I don’t think Daisy and Abbey /are/ quite ready. Not because they’re too young, but because they don’t have good enough communication in that area yet. They need to be able to talk about it without so much awkwardness and fear in order to be fully ready to have a sexual experience without guilt or fear getting in the way of it being a good experience. Otherwise, their relationship seems healthy and if they do manage to man up about the topic and discuss it more fully, I support them in whatever decisions they come to.

amberbydreams August 27, 2013, 5:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #257812

Mike just heard that didn’t he
yea he did

hi132435 August 27, 2013, 6:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #257813

Huh, I thought Paulo was gonna go on and justify himself. :O Like how he regretted doing it and stuff.

Sambo August 27, 2013, 6:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #257815

Don’t think too hard about it paulo :x . You’ll live longer. :P

The Observer August 27, 2013, 6:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #257816

Yay Brother mode Paulo!

BetaMonkey August 27, 2013, 6:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #257817

Admit it Paulo. You jelly. :V

Jessica U. Ingmann August 27, 2013, 7:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #257818

Overprotective mode engaged.

Christen August 27, 2013, 7:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #257819

I detect a sharp increase in body temperature and pressure experienced.
If you allow me, I can relieve you of both rather quickly or slowly if you like, but I must warn you: there is a 75% chance that you will overload and “explode” halfway through the process.

Blank On Purpose August 27, 2013, 7:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #257820

Okay, /now/ we pan out and see people, okay just Mike, starring at them. XD

Anon-Anon August 27, 2013, 7:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #257821

Well, Paulo is scarred for life and Mike’s face is quite suitable for the situation.

Keyblade Dragon August 27, 2013, 7:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #257822

@Vicar

I guarantee if you ever have a daughter, you’ll want her to calm her jets until she has some sort of plan for life other than just her 15 year old boyfriend who he’ll probably break up with her after they have sex anyway.

Maybe I just have decent values about the human body being a temple for the soul, and not just a tool to be abused. I have similar values against many other habits like, smoking eating garbage etc. Anyone with little regard to their body just doesn’t respect the healthy vessel they were given. And that’s just sad.

And poor daisy and abbey. Gosh forbid they can’t control all the hormones that their bodies have barely started producing. :/

I_Love_Lucy August 27, 2013, 7:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #257823

Don’t get greedy Paulo. 8-)

Eevee August 27, 2013, 7:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #257824

I kinda have to go with Paulo on this, at least a little. I mean, finding out that your best friend who you see as a little sister and your kinda-friend are planning on getting down and dirty…no. Just no.
And now, general reactions of other characters if they were in Paulo’s position:
Mike: Uh…okay.
Sue: Good job on being safe, you two!
Rachel: What TOOK you so long?
David: DEVELOPMENT NOOOOOOOOOO!
Amaya: …
Augustus: *speechless, look of terror and shock, coma*
Taeshi: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Oceanus92 August 27, 2013, 8:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #257825

Jasmin really did a number on Paulo. She messed him up mentally for no reason other than jealousy and spite. It makes me mad.

Fluffy August 27, 2013, 8:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #257826

I find it interesting that Paulo is a total stereotype to a T. I have a friend that would probably act like that if he were to find out something similar, despite the fact that he otherwise acts exactly like Paulo aside from the whole non-virgin thing. It’s almost hilarious, especially that last panel, which actually IS hilarious. XD

I'll Eat Yourself August 27, 2013, 8:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #257827

I like how :unsure: is like…WTF

CoolBad August 27, 2013, 9:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #257828

“Abbey’s pretty gentle.”

BARF.
Oh god. Listen, I’m 23. Hearing anyone of any age talk like that about their significant other makes me throw my hands in the air and say, “We’re done here.”
Either that or scream, “AUGH. WHY.”
Mental images, man.

Neveko August 27, 2013, 9:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #257829

Well Paulo, you certainly have the best social skills a teen can have given the fact that your -little sister- is asking you where to get protection so that she can bang the fruitcake… :nope:
I hope you’re happy Daisy, because you just ruined Paulo’s perfectly normal lunch with your awkwardness but whatever if you feel like he’s the sex guru or something just cuz he banged a few chicks then go ahead :P

Wafflesftw August 27, 2013, 9:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #257830

I have to wonder what is with Paulo… maybe he likes most girls to a point where he wants none to get hurt?

TarriPup August 27, 2013, 9:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #257831

Can’t stop laughing, OMG XD

Subaru August 27, 2013, 9:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #257832

;_;’s like: “Abbey’s pretty gentle.”
8-)’s like: OH GAWD NO!!!
:unsure:’s like: Oh, get over it Paulo!
XD would be like: “*****!!!”
:P would be like: “Hee.”
Like, right? :-*

Hawz August 27, 2013, 10:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #257833

This seems to be more proof that Daisy thinks sex is just something that’s supposed to happen once two people have been together for a while. There’s nothing wrong with a sex-less relationship! Or with taking things slowly until both people are ready. Maybe we just haven’t seen all the messing around Abby and Daisy have secretly been doing, but this seems like a very sudden leap from “Abby’s uncomfortable making out heavily” to “Let’s have sex!” It makes me uneasy.

Eemia August 27, 2013, 10:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #257834

Mike looks a bit consurd XD

Xylee August 27, 2013, 11:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #257835

And mike was just sitting there listening the entire TIME! Oh that priceless

lov/hate/hurt August 27, 2013, 11:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #257836

haha paulo you knob the truth comes out

loor August 27, 2013, 11:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #257837

deal whit it :nope:

rex_inizaky August 28, 2013, 12:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #257838

I agree, NOOOO, This titile is called safe boundaries so i pray they don’t have sex. No one sticks anything in daisy but me, or Paulo.

JustSomeCritic August 28, 2013, 12:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #257839

Don’t get involved Mike. Just…pretend you heard nothing and walk away… :unsure:

Trubeque August 28, 2013, 12:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #257840

First:WHERE’S LUCY AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER!?!
Second:dont do it daisy just don’t,not yet

New-be August 28, 2013, 1:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #257841

Jeez, Paulo, way to be smooth.

*Ninja August 28, 2013, 2:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #257842

Haha, poor Paulo ‘bad image, bad image!’

buchanen_neket August 28, 2013, 3:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #257843

Oh yes…lets take advice from paulo with his many successful relationships. Man he is pathetic…if he can’t get into a relationship i guess everyone can’t

wonkybird August 28, 2013, 4:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #257844

Xylee: Consurd? That’s not a word. Do you mean concerned? Or disturbed? Maybe both…

daft_inquisitor August 28, 2013, 4:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #257845

XD The look on mike’s face just what is he doing?

Mathew August 28, 2013, 5:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #257846

He only cries for Abbey, just look at that “not abbey” phrase, pleading not to take his fruitcake fantasy away, such a cute boy, so pathetic, cant decide who to pick. pauloxabbey ftw :3

NotATroll August 28, 2013, 5:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #257849

I love everything about paulo, God damn hilarious! 8-)

Craftz August 28, 2013, 7:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #257850

@I_Love_Lucy

I guarantee you any parent is on some level is terrified of their tiny, hapless infant - regardless of gender - growing up. Including sexually. That thing that you adore and love and nurtured who once could barely hold your thumb in their wee little hand and spoke in the cutest burbles and threw up all over grandma? Well that little person is suddenly all up for hanky panky.

However, regardless of how a parent feels, or what a parent wants, the end-game is preparing tiny people to be big people. You have to let your fifteen year old get behind the wheel of a car and start driving it. You have to let your toddler start trying to walk. You have to allow your sons and daughters to experience life’s normal and natural processes: death, friendship, heartbreak, love, failure, success, rejection - and yeah, sex with all its quaint dramas.

The question then falls when it is appropriate to start letting your child explore the world. For example, a two year old should not be driving a car. Now, whilst there are some wide-strokes we can cast here, like two year olds should not be having sex, this is as individual as teaching a kid to walk or drive - a lot of it happens when they’re ready. As regards to sex, this readiness would occur after or towards the end of sexual maturity (which can be placed anywhere from 12 onwards really) and when emotionally ready, which is something YOU - the parent - cannot determine, and instead should trust your child to know.

What a parent /can/ do it be open about it and allow their child to approach them if they need help, advice, guidance or even an opinion. They can also educate their child about safety, and provide them with the tools needed to manage new life skills and experience. They should make sure their child is not being emotionally, physically, verbally or sexually abused, but otherwise, their job is not to drag the kid away from a natural life process, but to instead offer them a guiding hand.

Basically, regardless of how a parent may feel about their child, there is a difference between what they wish would happen and what may or should happen. Sex is one of those things.

So me personally with my daughter, we are making sure bodily consent and GSM+ awareness is ingrained from the earliest age possible. We are planning to educate regarding puberty and the changes of such an event before the onset or near the beginning of puberty. There would be emphasis on acceptance of any decision she makes about her lives so long as she know she can turn to us for help.

I would from the onset of puberty educate the child on the ‘condom’ drawer - said method being, “This is the condom drawer. It is regularly stocked every few months. Mummy and Daddy use it too. They will not be counted, and you will not be judged. There is lubricant at the back, and also lots of information sheets about both safety and enjoyment that can be helpful. Feel free to ask questions if you want to, but there is also the internet, here are some useful sites. Make sure to ask daddy lots of awkward questions because that’s funny.”

And in my opinion this method of parenting would ideally help a child go from being a tiny person to a big person with all it entails. Excuse you, but I don’t want my little one to grow up with dysfunction or discomfort about any of life’s little details. The best place to stop sexual dysfunction being formed in a young person is to not be dysfunctional yourself about it, which includes being accepting of emotional and bodily autonomy in a child transitioning from youngster to adult.

See, whilst I respect your views on treating the body with the respect it deserves, I think you are trying to project what worked for you on other people. I waited ages to be comfortable enough to begin sexual activity, and even longer for a partner I felt comfortable enough to do it with - but I have also met people who were ready earlier than I. Some people begin masturbating as early as eight years old, and that’s a’okay as long as they’re a’okay.

I think if you start judging people in a negative manner - and believe me, punishing a person for comfortably exploring their body in their own time - for having sex too soon, or too late, or too much, or too little, you’ve got poor values and no respect for others.

tl;dr: some people have more/less/earlier/later/kinkier/tamer sex than others and when you’re in a position of power over those people it is awful to exercise it by emotionally punishing them for their safe, sane consensual choices

Zero Dollars + Two cent August 28, 2013, 9:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #257851

@Zero_Dollars_+_Two_cent

You sir, or madam, are a rare breed indeed. I am impressed at your parenting methods and I would gladly tip my hat to you if I was wearing one. Everything stated in your post makes perfect sense, although, I don’t entirely agree with pre-marital coitus.

Now I’m gonna nip this inevitable flame war right in the hoo-haa right now:

I’m not gonna condemn anyone for pre-marital sex because that would be very inappropriate and narrow-minded, but I do agree that it’s the parent’s responsibility to inform and educate the child/children about both the joys and the dangers.

Being raised with Christian values, I do not feel the need to force my beliefs upon ANYONE or condemn anyone because their way of life doesn’t coincide with mine; I’d rather share with any who wishes to learn & share with me. That being said, call me what you will, but I waited until I was married, which was exactly 3 years ago today btw :) and I can safely say that it was well worth the wait. That’s my $0.02, take it however you wish; preferably with a little gin & vermouth to make it go down nice & easy ;)

I really do love AbbeyxDaisy. I said it before & ah-mo say it agin, if they were to get married & start a family, they would be a beautiful family :love:

kaminari683 August 28, 2013, 12:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #257957

Paulo: Noooooooooooooooo D:

ShizuTheCat August 29, 2013, 4:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #258137

I want to know how Paulo would react if Daisy had a baby

Lee August 30, 2013, 9:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #260677

I can’t tell if Paulo is trying to be protective of Abbey or just REALLY doesn’t want the thought of them having sex. Maybe a little bit of both. :smirk:

Cal October 1, 2013, 12:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #262719

I just like to think that Paulo might be jealous…just a smidge. Don’t ruin that for me. ;_;

Bibite October 22, 2013, 5:53 PM EST.

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