80. Happy Hour, page posted 11/14/13

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Comment ID #265596

Oh god, sue just can’t hold her alcohol…

i sometimes think there is more drama in the comments than the actual comic itself.

Kindle_kat November 14, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265597

Actually Jessica is no less wiser than those nerds currently right now.
Well, sometimes “wine do tells the truth” for the drunk one usually becomes extraordinarily “relaxed”. And, can we treat this page as the 50%informal50%official express of Paulo&Lucy relationship?

HongKat November 14, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265598

Go Sue…. :love:

Pepe Le Pew November 14, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265599

Paulo being a drama queen :/

Jonas97face November 14, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265600

Oh… no

Shani96 November 14, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265601

uh oh, one birthday girl is getting sad now ):

EvilKitty3 November 14, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265602

the drama.. the DRAAAMA. looks like the fun part of the party is over 8-D

Whistleblower November 14, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265603

oh my gosh things be gettin intense everyone.

Gabba November 14, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #265604

This page is a hell of a guilt trip. Poor darlings.

celare November 14, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265605

I think Paulo is really starting to wear on Rachel’s nerves. That look in the last panel looks like she’s getting irritated about this one girl and the guy she likes fawning all over her.

Also @Taeshi,

Is that she’dve like she would have or is that supposed to be should’ve.

@Anon,

Not sure where this is going to go yet. The next page could be Jess chewing Paulo’s *** for not leaving her alone (in other words taking his own advice) when he knew she was after someone else or it could be that she’s clued in onto something here. I’m guessing the former because unless Taeshi is bringing Lucy back in the next chapter then it’s highly unlikely that the reveal is going to happen here. Too much dead space between now the arc conclusion of Lucy’s return (at least it seems to me when this whole conspiracy arc will conclude). I mean where do you build from that? If he reveals now and the return of lucy is a few chapters off then all we are left with is people being made at mike for several chapters. You’ve peaked too early and have dead air of the same thing going on over and over again till Lucy returns.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265606

i love how Paulo is moping yet drunk :love: its cuuuuute

Lucy fan November 14, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265607

Nice job everyone, piling blame on Mike like that.

Anon November 14, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265608

Are Jessica and Rachel looking at Paulo, or behind him at Mike?

Your name November 14, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265609

Hmm, so Paulo was the guy who set an entire group of crazy girls to beat up Mike, and then slept around with at least two girls. Yup, Mike’s the ***** here, buddy.

C’mon guys, you don’t want no drama. You just need some 8Ball and MJG in your life.

Shiloh November 14, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265610

me thinks Rach is getting a little upset of all this lucy X paulo stuff

CoolBad November 14, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #265611

Mike’s on the ropes. Keep pushing forward; we’ve almost got him!

ResidentEddy November 14, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #265612

Poor Rachel…

Tiido November 14, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #265613

rachel can’t possibly bear it forever.

boh... November 14, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265614

Poor Rachael, she look just about ready to snap at Paulo.

At least Sue was able to control herself there and not leave another pile of vomit around to surprise them in the morning.. Although it could have been a good why to traumatize Mike and make him lower his defenses and talk if she had hurled all over him.

Chrisd765 November 14, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265616

If Mike somehow gets through this whole chapter without having to fess us because people got off his back when Sue left my head is going to explode. Mad Lucy

Also, I know it’s Rachel’s party and they really shouldn’t be wrecking it with their drama, but Rachel went after Paulo KNOWING he was pining for Lucy. She really shouldn’t be surprised when she can’t magically make Paulo drop Lucy for her. I don’t really know what their relationship with one another is, but from what I’ve seen it seems to be more Rachel trying to support and console Paulo (incidentally, the best way she knows how to do that is through sex). I think they just say their relationship is “complicated” because it’s probably easier than for Paulo to admit he needs help and support. Where else would he get that? He doesn’t want to look weak to Mike, Abbey wouldn’t let him near Daisy, Jazz is an obvious no, and he doesn’t seem close enough to Sue (or Amaya, I suppose) to go to them. Rachel and him have some chemistry together, and she’s also unbiased and the gentlest of his friends, so out of the whole group, Rachel’s the best to give him the support he needs, added to the matter is that she genuinely cares about him.

So, if him and Rachel do have some kind of relationship going on, I don’t think it’s romantic. Jess already told Paulo that Rachel wouldn’t want to marry a cat. I think Rachel looks more concerned that Paulo is still hurting so much after her trying to console him.

MissShellGiraffe November 14, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #265617

Don’t stand there, Amaya, Sue’s a loose vomit-cannon!

Anon November 14, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #265618

Aaaaaannnnddd Jessica has had it up to here with Paulo being all tipsily self important in Lucy’s life and Mike thinking he had a monopoly on Lucy’s heart

Vega November 14, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265619

Looking at how this is going, I don’t think Mike will even need to say anything at all. They seem to be piecing it together pretty well by themselves.
…still, Paulo could stand to be less of a ***** about this. I mean, really. Mike tried his best to put up with Lucy’s worst for YEARS. He did all he could, and in the end, it wasn’t enough for either of them. And now you’re saying that he was a ***** the whole time? Coming from the guy who spent that same time just trying to pick up any chick he could, that doesn’t seem like it should mean much.

Oceanus92 November 14, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265620

tbh, I feel like of these kids need to sit down and have a good talk about things

Lena November 14, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265621

She didn’t learn how to put into consideration of how her needs affected Mike so badly. Also she didn’t learn how to let go of something she loved.

Keyblade Dragon November 14, 2013, 1:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265622

Had to update the name, apparently Anon is not the best name for an informal comment listing… I’m the Anon from the last couple pages.
It does look like they are putting everything together, at least Jess is since Detective Sue is most likely going to be reporting to Capt Toilet pretty soon. I don’t think Jess is referring to Paulo, more his comment about Lucy not learning to leave Mike alone. Also I thought it was funny how Mike just has the bottle in his mouth, not drinking from it, either to keep himself from saying something or to avoid letting Sue make him talk…

jhornb02/Anon November 14, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265623

@Shiloh: I agree good sir, 8Balls all around.

I also want to point out the fact that Paulo is saying that Mike would have been a ****** boyfriend to Lucy when he himself was a crappy boyfriend to Jasmine.

the point is, being in a relationship with someone while you clearly have (or still have) feeling for someone else makes you a *****.

sen November 14, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #265624

Wow, Mike almost was K.O. by Sue. And, … … Er… I do not want to find out somebody becomes a alcohol addict in this comic. Ethanol’s just both a kind of oil product and a kind of farm product.
And,… Er, yes… This birthday party is going downhi(/e)ll, (but not the chapter,) Rachel will never forget it.

HongKat November 14, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #265625

Mike deserves everything he’s got coming to him. I hope he doesn’t get off lightly. He’s been a scumbag, and he doesn’t give a **** about the emotional agony he’s inflicted on the rest of the group. The only thing he cares about is covering his tracks. Way to go, thinking about yourself at a time like this. You jerkface. :/

Solvek November 14, 2013, 1:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265626

^ case in point of why I get so irritated at the mike hate here (going back to another commenters question about why the mike defenders have to go to the furthest extreme of continuously pointing out Lucy’s abuse to Mike)

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 1:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #265627

Guys, you’re ruining Rachel’s birthday. Give her a break and go play spin the bottle.

Yelikarts November 14, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #265628

The way Paulo sees it, Mike’s the ***** for letting Lucy be codependent for so long. He might even think of it as Mike “leading her on” despite not having any feelings for her. This also makes Lucy unobtainable for anybody else because she’d never get over Mike. Double whammy for Paulo!

I’ll agree with the Mike being a ***** part because I can and also because he comes across that way due to his attitude.

Macca November 14, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265629

I would’ve lmao if Sue puked, like shot a green stream of liquid right in Mike’s face, instead of turning around. Paulo doesn’t look too well either. I hope they all know where the bathroom and more specifically, the toilet is located.

Blank On Purpose November 14, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265630

@ buchanen_neket mike is a ***** who can’t stand up for himself so it’s his own fault. I’m not saying I agree with lucy beating up mike but he just should have stood up for himself. physical Wounds heal faster then mental wounds.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265631

@Solvek
If you check back at the last frame of pg 19, “To Lucy,” you’ll see Mike starts his breakdown after realizing how much Lucy means to the group and he feels guilty about causing her behavior (whether or not he completely did we’ve argued to death). Also you said before that alcohol is an oil product, it isn’t, it’s what happens when some kinds of bacteria digest sugars, nothing to do with oil.

jhornb02/Anon November 14, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265632

Why I want to do some compare between Mike and Mako

HongKat November 14, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #265633

p.s.
@Jonas97face: drama… “queen”?? Paulo?

HongKat November 14, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #265634

@Blue Fox,

Okay, let me make this as clear as crystal. Mike not standing up for himself was a byproduct of YEARS of abuse coupled with ridicule from his friends who would attack him if he even remotely acted like he wanted to be away from Lucy. Case in point, go look back to when the group finds out about the confession, look at how they reacted. Did they bother to find out his side? No, they proceeded to attack because poor wittle Lucy got her feelings hurt. He ultimately had to yell to make his point. Now while this is the only extreme case we’ve seen there are probably other cases of this. Leading to a point where Mike really has no choice anymore, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. So he had to bite his tongue and endure his own personal hell because “that’s the way it is” or so he thought till he had a friend FINALLY give him the real dope on how friendship is supposed to be. That’s why he finally stood up for himself and why he finally bucked Lucy because he realized he finally has someone he can turn to and won’t give him hell for leaving Lucy.

Everybody considers what’s happened to Lucy over the years and how that’s effected her development, but nearly NO ONE, considers what Mike’s environment has done to him over the years and consider that maybe, possibly, most likely, he’s been putting on a happy face to hide his own pain. Which is usually the lot in life for a guy, we can’t show emotion, if we’re hurting we have to bite our tongues and bear it because our role in life is to constantly appear strong and getting emotional can be viewed as a sign of weakness (I mean how many guys get called **** when they show sadness in high school).

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #265635

Awww, I’m actually starting to feel bad for Rachel, even though I’m much more for PauloxLucy then PauloxRachel. (Mostly just because PauloxLucy is freaking adorable.)

JasperCat November 14, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #265636

@buchanen_neket @Bluefox
and in doing so he took his discovery of a spine too far and said things that he didn’t mean. I don’t think he does hate Lucy, he just hates the situation she put him in of being the “security blanket.”

jhornb02/Anon November 14, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265637

@jhornb02/Anon,

Not going to disagree with that, he did go too far, however I still maintain that he’s not a ***** or deserves social neutering because, whether people want to believe it or not, he did have the right to tell Lucy off over the crap she’s put him through.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265638

Aw, poor Rach.

Kaktus November 14, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265639

@ buchanen_neket yes mike really didn’t have a choice did he? What a load! He could have put his foot down and stood up for himself! Tell his friends to chill the **** out maybe? Tell them he has his own feelings and not everything revolves around Lucy. One again Mike let’s himself get walked all over.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #265640

Jeez, Paulo seriously just needs to shut the **** up.

B-man November 14, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #265641

Tell me again, who suggested the chapter’s name as happy hour?

KK November 14, 2013, 1:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265642

I think the patiencemometer of Rachel is on a critical level, Paulo run bitch ruuun!!

Knight-A November 14, 2013, 1:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #265643

@ buchanen_neket mikes life seems pretty good to me. He is dating a super model.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #265644

Jess isn’t purple anymore?

kami November 14, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265645

I feel like everyone forgets about how Mike used to lead Lucy on. Lucy always turned him down at the beginning of BCB. He was into her, and they had a normal “avoid admitting your feelings” way of dealing with things, like most young teenagers. Mike is the one that flipped the ‘Sandy’ switch on and didn’t consider Lucy’s feelings because it didn’t matter to him anymore. He had what he wanted, so he didn’t have to care about all the times he lead her on because he wanted her then. I don’t think Lucy “beat him up”. He used to shove her too, and has been verbally and mentally abusive to her too. He used to shout at her.
Either way, Mike could have talked to Lucy but never bothered to do so. He kept everything inside and resented her for not knowing what was going on in his mind. Lucy genuinely wanted Mike to be happy, so yeah Mike deserves this

Anon November 14, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265646

Jessica, No. That there in lies the problem.

TheXtreme(YM) November 14, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #265647

Jessica the pointer-outer is here to mediate.

Hawz November 14, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #265648

Blue fox,

Are you even hearing yourself right now? If he had stood up for himself it would have been social suicide. DO YOU GET THAT? The group would have probably blackballed his *** and have him an outcast from every group in the school. I know it’s an extreme but it’s a possible outcome seeing as how things have developed over the run of this comic. If you’ve actually read this comic and paid attention you would have seen the power of rumor. Just look at Tess, look at how she was getting treated when we see her early on and that was years after the event that had sparked the scenario. Look at Jessica and see how one little rumor left her with a reputation as a ****. If the group was that ****** at Mike because he turned down her confession imagine how it would have turned out if he had said early on “I don’t want to be her friend anymore”. They could have very easily spread a rumor out of anger that could have ruined Mike’s reputation across the school.

And again multiply that by his mentality of “that’s just how things are” when dealing with Lucy’s abuse. You know who else says “that’s just how they are” or “I must have made them mad” ABUSE VICTIMS! Hell after December a chapter was made to show exactly that, the excuses an abuse victim will make. It’s not about having a spine you ****, it’s about being in a hopeless situation that you’ve tricked yourself into thinking is okay as a coping mechanism. DO YOU GET IT NOW!!!

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #265649

You know the only thing I’m worried about? Is that everything they learn will be written off as a drunk stupor. They will forget everything that they talked about..

Anagha November 14, 2013, 1:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #265650

@Anagha Hope not!

Othoniel November 14, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265651

Rach is a trooper, oh gosh. One can be patient for only so long..

Day November 14, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265652

Poor Rachel

Silveryogurt November 14, 2013, 2:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265653

@people arguing over lucy and mike

Shhhh it’s getting to the good part…. I think everyone can agree that they were both wrong but it is IN THE PAST and now other things are happening because Taeshi is God and she’ll make things right…. and why do people have to fight on the comment section djabsjshsj

Silveryogurt November 14, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265654

@ buchanen_neket no your trying to tell me how to think and I’m not listening because I have my own beliefs. If friends would spread rumors just because you don’t love someone then there not friends. Lucy’s friends don’t seem the kind to spread rumors but maybe paulo. I would rather be a social out cast then having people tell me what I can and can’t do.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 2:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265655

Omg!! Rachels crying!?!!!!! ._. :O ;_;
Omg Rachellll! don’t be sad just cause they are ******** up you’re B-day D:

Iti November 14, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #265656

@boh…
True that. Though people here still won’t be able to blame Paulo, even though he’s acting stupid now.

@buchanen_neket
You either calm down right now or two sad looking gentlemen will come and you’ll get a chill-pill. And it won’t be one that goes in through mouth.

@Anagha
Now that you mentioned it… it seems possible.

Commander_Zero November 14, 2013, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265657

@ Silveryogurt I always said they were to both blame but I can kinda be a dick. And I now apologies for that.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 2:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265658

All it takes is one person to spread a rumor. That’s all it took for Jess to get her reputation. Also, go read “at loose ends”, maybe not even the whole thing, the first page. Look at what Abbey’s mom says. That wasn’t coincidence, that was intentionally done for a reason. Even if you or mike could have lived with being an outcast the fact is he WAS an abuse victim for years and had developed that mentality. Or do you think Taeshi put “at loose ends” right after “December” AND had one of the lines of the first page run parallel to something Mike has said several times, merely for ***** and giggles?

and no i’m not trying to tell you how to think rather trying to point in a certain direction or give a different perspective. The second comment was more me lashing out about the “no spine” comment.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265659

WAT? :|

And I second what buchanen_neket asked. That “she’dve” part don’t make no sense. Unless he’s trailing off…

Buh, have no idea. Clarify, please.

XOX November 14, 2013, 2:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265660

@Blue Fox: “If friends would spread rumors just because you don’t love someone then there not friends.”
Except when you consider that people were willing to quite seriously beat him up because there was a possibility that he could consider cheating, I find that being socially outcasted for rejecting Lucy to be easily plausible.

And just because you believe you are strong enough to be outcasted it does not mean everyone is.

Anialator November 14, 2013, 2:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #265661

The Suspense is KILLING ME!

ZavierMcWilliams November 14, 2013, 3:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265662

To be honest, Paulo doesn’t have much to be talking about. Sure, Mike is pretty much directly responsible for what happened to Lucy, but Paulo has his share of the blame. Lucy would probably have stayed with him if he hadn’t let David talk him into being a he-****.
It’s harder to blame him because, a) he’s lovable, and b) he’s an idiot, but his stupidity is one of the reasons Lucy did what she did. He has nobody to blame but himself.

Zott November 14, 2013, 3:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265663

@ buchanen_neket I agree mike was a abuse victim but I don’t believe he was helpless about it.
@ Anialator could you make that more understandable? I just can’t seem to get what your saying. You no something simple and short. But I do no that not everyone can take being a out cast. I hope amaya can get sue to the bathroom this time.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 3:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265664

I think it’s time I give my own hat throw into this whole Mike and Lucy thing.

In all technicality, Mike had nothing stopping him from confronting Lucy about her physical nature. Social pressures and what not aside, the was nothing physically stopping him. It was never a case of “he couldn’t” more as it was either “he didn’t want to” or “he never considered it.” I find the case of social suicide to be strange because if his friends would have done that he would have just left and found better friends. Maybe I’m looking too simply here, but social implications of telling someone to chill seems really strange.

I think it was more a case of he never considered it. Up until the huge series of incidents at the island I’m forgetting the name of, Mike and Lucy were pretty damn good friends. Lucy, while abrasive and confrontational, supported Mike in spite of it. Mike saved Lucy’s life twice and was really the only one that fully supported her. If I’m remembering correctly, Lucy came along with Mike to find Sandy when Mike thought he saw Sandy on TV. She was overall pretty supportive of the relationship with Sandy, outright challenging him when he got wishy washy with her. She did nothing to intentionally sabotage the relationship. So the punches and kicks aside, it sort of seemed like a solid friendship.

Of course there’s still limits, and Lucy DID cross it a few times. And that was never discussed, so that lead to problems.

In terms of the overall personality of the social circle, it’s good to remember that before the Inciting Drama the comic was more slapstick and cheeky humor. If the comic were to have stayed like that nobody would think much of it at all. But things are serious now and in retrospect, all of that slapstick comedy just seems cruel. So there’s still the possibility that the social circle ain’t that cruel yet.

Liquid_Pencil November 14, 2013, 3:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #265665

… god, Mike, just break down already. you know what you did (and I want everybody else to know it too).

……. would be nice if Lucy was there to see it, btw.

Cera November 14, 2013, 3:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #265666

Blue fox,

I’m going to try to avoid becoming like Lickit&Stickit saying that you don’t understand. But abuse victims ESPECIALLY after they’ve been in the relationship for a long time enter into a delusional state. That’s why they make excuses, to the victim it doesn’t seem like an excuse, that it’s really the truth of the matter. They believe they are the cause of the abuser assaulting them (verbally or physically). They believe that they deserve to be hurt because THEY believe it was their fault. Go look throughout the comic and look at how many times Mike says that something was his fault. He’s been showing the signs of an abuse victim for a while and after a while you can’t get out of it yourself, it takes a severe intervention to get the person out of it. That’s why Abbey’s mother ended up the way she did, years of abuse had royally messed her up and she didn’t really have anyone to pull her out of it till it was too late.

In Mike’s case he was in a similar delusional state until he finally got some guidance from Sandy, which was fortunately early enough that it was all it took to get him out of his state.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265667

Rachel looks like she’s getting frustrated…

Box November 14, 2013, 3:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #265668

@ buchanen_neket I get what your saying. Calm down. I no lucy made mike her little bitch. It’s not my fault mike is a little week minded. Mike only thought he couldn’t do anything about it till as you just said sandy said something to him and was able to get him out of that mind set.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 3:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #265669

@Blue Fox “Weak minded”? Really? That’s a bit offensive to abuse victims, don’t you think?

Zott November 14, 2013, 3:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265670

@Zott no not really, it’s specifically about Mike, not anyone else. And he is weak-minded, he is easily swayed by the opinions of those who are important to him.

jhornb02/Anon November 14, 2013, 3:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #265671

@ Zott probably.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 4:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265672

Yeessss!
Now We’re getting somewhere! Get over yourself and go fix things with Lucy, Mike! This whole this is stupid. you two were made to be together; in the whole soft-rock and puberty sort of way.

Seags November 14, 2013, 4:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265673

is jessica sober

n-master November 14, 2013, 4:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265674

@Blue fox,

Then what’s up with this “He could have put his foot down and stood up for himself!”. If he was in a delusional state then that state dictated that he either had no need to stand up for himself or a belief that doing so would result in him angering his abuser resulting in more abuse and cycling into him believing it was his fault that he was abused. Again this leads back into what I said before he really didn’t have a choice in the matter, once the chain of events had started he was unable to break out of them until years later and only with help that he could’ve received from his “friends” but didn’t because they were too concerned with protecting Lucy’s from her issues.

That’s honestly why I get defensive on the subject of Mike. Everyone understands Lucy’s issues, but it seems virtually no one wants to take the time to see that Mike was a pretty screwed up kid himself.

@n-master,

I don’t think so she was with the other partiers earlier so she probably had a drink. She probably just has a higher tolerance than the younger light weights.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 4:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265675

@n-master
Plus Jessica is friends with Rachel, I doubt this is her first liquor-fueled teen party.

jhornb02/Anon November 14, 2013, 4:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #265676

RACHEL IS NOT AGREEING WITH YOU PAULO. Even she must get angry at his antics. The irony is strong with this one.

Twoplusfiveequallsseven November 14, 2013, 4:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265677

uh o

Mariasona November 14, 2013, 4:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265678

@buchanen_neket Blah blah blah who cares enjoy the ride it is much more fun and btw if I had to pick a side it would be Lucy’s.

Although in all honesty if a girl were to treat me like Lucy did mike I would find it rather endearing.

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #265679

@ buchanen_neket im saying he could have sod up for himself long before he became enslaved by the lovely Lucy. Why would he stand up to her if he thinks everything is his fault? Let’s just leave it at dam there relationship spiraled out of control and it turned out bad for both of them. This way everyone is happy!
@ TheGentleman yea some people like it rough.

Blue fox November 14, 2013, 4:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265680

Sue should’a just thrown up on him anyway.

I'll Eat Yourself November 14, 2013, 4:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #265681

Fine by me, but i’ll close it out by saying that he only finally stood up to her after his talks with Sandy. That’s the dividing line for when he finally regained himself. Up till then he blamed himself everytime he got punch, kicked or mauled with only small bursts of rebellion resulting from him being in an early stage of the delusion. After Sandy his eyes opened to see that it wasn’t his fault his life was hell. Sadly, the timeframe was never made clear as to when Sandy intervened so I can’t point out a direct point in the comics timeline when we can see the self blame stop as a result.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 4:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #265682

@Blue fox Hey man can’t go wrong with rough. :smirk:

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 4:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265683

O God :/

tabby November 14, 2013, 4:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265684

“In Mike’s case he was in a similar delusional state until he finally got some guidance from Sandy, which was fortunately early enough that it was all it took to get him out of his state.”
@Bucket-neket

Unfortunately the undoing of your arguments was that Mike was a helpless victim that needed shining beacon was this line and the fact that you made the argument that he was social crippled to stand up for himself. He wasn’t.

I’ll admit that their relationship was complicated with fights and make ups and confessions and uggh all that jazz. But the difference was that the complex of their relationship was mutual. They both thought it was their fault. You say whomever states that it’s their fault and they’re the ones that caused it with whatever problems are abused victims, well do you know who ALSO thought like that? Lucy. Do you know who did something about it after a while? Mike. He ignored her and treated her like she didn’t exist, going as far as he possibly can to cut off any connections possible as he told Sandy this. He didn’t put his foot down and confronted her about it, because he didn’t need to, he became alien to her. He needs to hide his pain with a happy face? Please. We see him lashing out at her with passive aggression and looking indifferent at her. And ultimately, his point got across as he became so cold towards her that even giving her medicine (ONLY so she can get better to do the play rehearsals) caused her to break down into tears from happiness as evidence that he in some way still cared about her.

Only Paulo and the girls overacted to his rejection of her confession. Why? Well, girls will be girls and expect love returned but they didn’t stay on that for long. It was more of in the moment whirlwind of crazy. They left Mike alone after that. Paulo overacted because he was in love with Lucy and frustration got the better of him when she confessed to Mike and not to him. The only “pressuring” he received was along Lucy’s side and that was to spill what happened between them. Since the girls and Paulo make up a huge portion of the group, well, of course “the entire group” lashed out. Also, fearing that he would lose them? No. He said to Lucy that they would follow /him/ over her and even if they didn’t, he would still leave the table as it was his plan. Mike isn’t weak and he has shown strength throughout the comic. I cannot say he’s afraid of rumors or that he’s weak to social pressure because honestly, he’s not.

Now, for the first line above; your quote. No, Mike did not get out of his state since he wasn’t in there to begin with. Sandy gave him good advice but he took it wrong. He thought of it as “you’re superior to her” rather “you should expect better from her”. He didn’t try to mend the relationship with Lucy, he tried to cut it off since it’s easier, never giving her an explanation, never saying anything, just BE GONE. He was in no way delusional. Sandy opened his eyes indeed but he looked the wrong way. Lucy hitting people to show affection IS the way she is (I even explained it a while ago if you’re interested in reading it; page twenty third insightful comment). He’s not an abuse victim saying that. Even when he was walking away after learning she attempted suicide /the first thought he had was/ “…she was a terrible person…”.

And that speech he gave, that wasn’t his “inner victim” coming out to make it stop. No. He was doing that to HURT Lucy. He didn’t need to go as far as he did and yet he did. All her weak points shredded, all her mental stability was gone. And he smiled afterward because a “girl hundreds of miles away worth more than she will ever be” was visiting. He tore her down after she realized that he will always like Sandy more and was wishing him happiness. He took further saying that he had a right to his happiness to as she had a right and would be alone.

Now tell me how Mike is a victim. No sarcasm intended. I’m really am curious to hear what you have to say since your opinion differs from my own.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 4:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #265685

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JAMES FRANCO November 14, 2013, 4:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #265686

Tylord,

Can you summarize that? My attention span isn’t that long and i’m sure to miss something critical in something that long. Also it’s buchanen, if it’s that hard to remember just say buck naked because that’s the joke in my name.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 4:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #265687

“HURK” XD made me laugh :3

kitty777 November 14, 2013, 4:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #265688

What the get out of here James Franco you don’t belong.

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 4:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #265689

Is Sue actually vomiting on Amaya?! :nope:

Bananas November 14, 2013, 5:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265690

Okay I got through some of that, but like I said I might have missed something because of the length. Alright, If you’re so sure that Mike had no issues, let’s test your awareness then Tylord. What are Paulo’s issues? How about Daisy’s? Sue’s? Abbey’s (that’s an easy one)? When you can tell me what their issues are then i’ll consider a retort. However for right now I reiterate my earlier point that everyone knows Lucy’s issues, but no one cares about what mike has suffered over the years. Why? Because everyone has tunnel vision about Lucy. Everyone in this comic has issues, but no one’s saying “oh poor daisy she has ____ issue” or “oh I feel bad for _____ because he’s suffering from _____”. No but when it comes to Lucy everyone’s an authority and god forbid anyone calls her on her ****. So excuuuuse me for being callous but enough is enough. Lucy is not the only character in this comic with issues, but everyone turns a blind eye and deludes themselves into the belief that lucy is the only one suffering or has a psychological fault. Everyone in this comic is suffering in some form or fashion, including mike.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 5:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #265691

@buchanen_neket a you do realize that the only one who ain’t stuck up **** creek is Lucy yeah. Daisy has Abbey and Vice Versa Sue only problem she got is nothing but a bad reaction to alcohol Mike has Sandy who can kiss all his boo boos and make them better and look at that Paulo has Rachel to ease the pain and whom does Lucy have to cuddle up to at night o yeah no one.

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #265692

O God help I can’t stop humming (baby it’s cold outside)

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 5:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #265693

Lucy had the entire cast, pardon me and feel free to flame me but dammit I’m going for two nukes. She had plenty of people to help her but she was too much of a ****ING BONEHEAD TO REALIZE IT. She even could have turned to her friends after mike bucked her *** but what does she do “OH MY GAWD LIFE AIN’T WORTH LIVING”. I’m sorry but that little argument “she has no one” falls really ****ing flat when you see she had tons of resources, much more than the other characters do, to fall back on.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 5:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265694

Rachel, I think your BIRTHDAY PARTY is ruined. I’m so sorry, babe, I’m not fond of you but I’m still sorry for you. Everybody wants Lucy in a way, and what you got? A terrible brthday party… good job, drunk friends! Good job!

gudfsfs November 14, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #265695

@buchanen_neket *Sigh* Ahem Dude I am talking now not in the past as af present I want you to name me one character out of the cast with whom Lucy can get a hug from or comfort her while she cries also you can’t use family that there is cheating. Also Mike while treated roughly by Lucy was also her emotional crutch none of the other characters actually worked hard enough to develop the bond she and mike had. I am not saying that some people did not try but they did not go as far as needed to breach the walls she built around herself.

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 5:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265696

I really hope Mike presents his case and his friends realize that they were just as much a problem and reason his and Lucy’s friendship deteriorated. If everyone jumps on him without even considering his side and starts making him to be the sole bad guy of the situation, it’ll just prove that these people never really cared for Mike to begin with.

I’m not saying that they should forgive Mike just like that, but putting sole blame on him and pressuring him would be dickish however you look at it. I just want them to stop and think about it all.

Dee November 14, 2013, 5:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265697

off the top of my head, Paulo, Sue, Daisy. We know Paulo from another shoulder, Sue was there for her when Mike turned down her confession. I don’t know Daisy’s a possibility because she hates Sandy and if lucy had brought it up daisy probably would have consoled her. Don’t give me that ish. Lucy still had friends she could turn to even after December. She CHOSE to not turn to them, even when one of them tried to reach out for her. She CHOSE to try to end it rather than face reality (yes I can already hear the torches being lit for that one, bring ‘em, nobody told her to try and off herself). So excuse me if I fail to see the supposed sympathy I should have for her.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 5:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #265698

@buchanen_neket fine i don’t care

aww well guess mike is getting what he deserves.

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 5:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265699

everyone ganging up against mike, while DRUNK. at LEAST get sober before getting into a fight. geez.. :/

Whistleblower November 14, 2013, 5:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265700

@buchanen_neket Sometimes when ppl get pretty emotionally crushed they pretty much want to close them selves from other ppl. That is what pretty much happened.

I admire how you’ve defended Mike and I support it, but I think your being a little aggressive and it seems as if your looking for a good argument. D:

And I’m a MikexLucy fan and I wont take any crap from any body saying that it will never work out. You don’t have to say it cause I already have heard too many times Mad Lucy

Jonas97face November 14, 2013, 5:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265701

Hey I need this for later what is James Franco’s weakness

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 5:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265702

Sorry man, just lost my cool there for a bit. That’s how I am, when I do get riled up I go off like a nuke. TheGentleman just stepped in at the wroooong time. I was still heated about Tylord’s attempt to deny things that have been clearly pointed out in the comic. So I kind of blew up instead of calmly explaining what I had said. I still stand by the base idea of the comments but I did go a bit over the top there.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 5:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265703

I understand @buchanen_neket :D

Jonas97face November 14, 2013, 5:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #265704

Sometimes it seems everyone is forgetting they’re only kids going through puberty. It’s a really hard time for both Lucy and Mike. Their relationship was always a bit weird, but I can remember Mike using violence in the earlier comics too. Maybe he grew out of it faster? He also never gave clear boundaries to Lucy, which any normal person would have. Even if he was a victim, he could’ve done it in an early state. Most abuse victims are often threathened or overpowered. Honestly, I don’t think kid Lucy could overpower kid Mike in such a way that he’d still be afraid of her as a teenager.

Besides, I think there’s more to Lucy than just the Mike issue. She had no friends before she clung to Mike. Why is that? It seems she lacks social skills. Maybe her parents have to do anything with it? Her father was never really in the picture, but who knows what he could’ve done. Or maybe she was shot down by the other kids for trying to be their friend? Probably because she was quite the tomboy and didn’t like dolls and girly things. Her mother tried to help her, hence the bow she got from her. The fact Lucy still wears it shows a deeper connection with her mother. It really means something to her. But again, where’s daddy? I wonder if we’re ever going to see him and his connection to Lucy.

You can blame them both, but I think that’d be unfair. Like I said, they were and still are kids. I’d have a different attitude if they were already grown up. So yeah, talking about an abuser and a victim … Isn’t that a little too much?

LH November 14, 2013, 6:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265705

@sen, I’m not trying to start an argument, but I don’t see how Paulo as all that bad to Jasmine. He tried to spend time with her, he tried to do nice things for her, and he was pretty patient when she kept blowing him off.

And sure, he broke up with her for Lucy, and that hurt her, but wouldn’t it have been even worse if he left it until later, and she found out he loved Lucy some other way?

He broke up with her so as not to hurt her more than he might have. And sure, she resents him for it, but was there a better way for him to go about things?

I’m sorry but based on this I can’t see what you mean. If you have examples or something then sure, but I don’t see it

EpicLyra November 14, 2013, 6:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265706

@buchanen_neket Okay, I see your point, but Lucy depended on Mike more than anyone else. His opinion mattered to her; and at the time, his opinion was she was a parasite who no-one cared for and who would be all alone if he left her. And because his opinion mattered so much, she believed him. She didn’t THINK anyone would be there, so why turn to them?

Not to mention she was obviously depressed, which can cause a vast change in how you see yourself and how you think others see you.

Again, sorry if you feel I’m trying to argue, I’m just saying what I think

EpicLyra November 14, 2013, 6:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #265707

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HongKat November 14, 2013, 6:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265708

Not really LH, Abusive relationships and mentalities about the subject can start young. Hell there was a big push a while back to get parents to stop teaching their kids that ol’ chestnut of “if a boy pulls your hair it just means he likes you”. It was believed that it does early on teach kids an attitude that physical stuff like that is okay in a relationship. Thus as the kid grows up you have one side growing up thinking it’s okay to hit their significant other and the other thinking that being hit is a part of the relationship. This can continue into adulthood if no one teaches the kid the right thing, this leads into abusive adult relationships (Like Abbey’s parents). Granted Mike and Lucy are an inverse of the usual situation but it still remains that it’s basically the same development scale. Lucy never got told that hitting her friends is wrong so she developed learning it’s okay. Mike is the inverse, he grew up learning that being hit was perfectly fine. So growing up he didn’t see it for what it was. So you end up with them in high school and Sandy shocking his system by telling him something he should have found out long ago.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 6:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265709

Finallyyyyy YESSS!!!!! they are starting to know the truth of things!

joyce November 14, 2013, 6:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265710

@buchanen_neket

Sorry, for the misspelling of your name. I have mild dyslexia.

First, when have I “attempt to deny things clearly pointed out in the comic”? All I have said could be also be pointed out in the comic and at most I was doing was disagreeing with you, who also had evidence from the comic. Was I looking for an argument? Not at all. I was actually admiring the way you can retort and hey, since I have some evidence and an opinion I would like to share, why not have an intellectual conversation?

Yet, I have to still prove I’m worthy to retort? I have to diagnose all the characters in the comic just so I can figure out your thoughts as a comparison to mine on Mike? If you won’t even READ the whole section I wrote on just Mike and Lucy, why would I waste my time writing a five page essay on all the other characters (I can, already have ideas) just so you can say “can you summarize that?”

Never did I insult your statements or insult you and yet I’ve notice that you have no problems degrading anyone you’ve argued with. “Passion” is not the same thing as “aggression.” Learn to respect other commenters. It’s okay to disagree but at the way you’re doing it… Well, it can use some improvement.

Also, people are paying attention to Lucy and her problems because she the that attempted /suicide/. And Mike is the one that pushed her to that point so of course people are going to demonize him. Sorry if we can’t pay attention to Daisy’s self consciousness or Abbey’s off screen therapy sessions while we still don’t have closure on this situation.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 6:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265711

I wonder what will happen if someone gets the special reward from the kickstarter where they get to direct a chapter and they demand to see lucy return?

jbow November 14, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #265712

Paulo is the bitchiest drunk EVER.

Mr. Blue November 14, 2013, 6:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265713

The reason why she didn’t was because he was a player. Paulo you’re no better than Mike. Are there any AugustusXLucy fans here? Augustus told it like it was and didn’t sugar coat things. I say that they would have made a good pair. And he stopped her plenty times from moping or committing suicide.

Gabria November 14, 2013, 6:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #265714

@Mr.Blue: Of cause not.

HongKat November 14, 2013, 6:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265715

Tylord,

Frankly stuff like “Mike is the one that pushed her to that point” is the reason I disregard certain comments. Mike was a partial influence, a person doesn’t jump to ‘wash their mouth out with buckshot’ because one of your buddies says he doesn’t like you anymore. If anything like others have said, all her friends bear some responsibility for her decision to try and take her own life. That statement basically proved you have little to no situational awareness.

Further I asked you to summarize not because i’m lazy or disrespectful, I asked you to summarize because like I said I have a short attention span. Therefore my retort would lead to me or you repeating ourselves over and over again because I missed something you said or misinterpreted a part of your statement. If it’s too long I tend to skim and look for keywords. So I can easily miss a critical part of your side of the debate. So if you want to have a convo then keep your comments concise.

And yes you were denying, it’s clearly been pointed out that mike was the victim of abuse, yet you responded by, what was it “Mike did not get out of his state since he wasn’t in there to begin with”. You weren’t making a debate, you were flaming. A debate means you at least take into consideration another’s evidence as you make a retort.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 6:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265716

Also you missed a big one on daisy, yes she has self consciousness issues, but she has a bigger one that was brought up again in this chapter. Need me to spell it out? A-B-A-N-D-O-N-M-E-N-T. Daisy has abandonment issues and gets angry at anyone she has perceived to abandon her. Bet ya no one has noticed that and what that can mean for her relationship to Abbey, her relationship to others and her development as a person because everyone is worried about neutering mike for something really he doesn’t deserve that much crap for.

Also yes i’m aggressive, as the saying goes “don’t poke the bear”. I can be civil but rile me up and i’m gonna unload both barrels into ya.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 7:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265717

A little off topic but what happened to the whole Augustus “bar guy” storyline? P.S. If she already explained then disregard this question

Who cares? November 14, 2013, 7:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #265718

Hmmmm well-SHOOT MCNUGGETS IT’S FRIDAY TOMMOROW! D:< cliffhangers….

Mcturtle November 14, 2013, 7:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265719

All Paulo ever wanted was Lucy to love him, but all she ever did was chase after mike

lov/hate/hurt November 14, 2013, 7:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265720

Leave off Mike, Sue, he has been through a lot

Old Scratch November 14, 2013, 7:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265721

Oh god, Rachel’s face in the last panel is tearing me up ._.

Marina :3 November 14, 2013, 7:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #265722

@buchanen_neket

Thank you for the respectful answer and reasoning. I try to keep my comments short but I fail miserably.

To retort, I know Mike is a victim. Perhaps it’s my fault for not making that clear, but yes Mike it a victim. I was explaining that Mike was not the victim that you made out to be (crippled and helpless with no hope, ect). And the “Mike did not get out of his state since he wasn’t in there to begin with” statement was for his delusional state that you claim he was in. To be delusional is to have a mental handicap to accept reality, which does not describe Mike. Mike knew that Lucy gave a few punches, but at the same time he knew it wasn’t meant to hurt (Like she was aiming to cause him pain, I mean. It looked like it hurt psychically but it was more of a sign of friendship than anything).

Although I couldn’t personally say he was abused as much as you say he has been. Mainly because I didn’t see abuse but rather slapstick comedy until one chapter that all changed. Even then we can’t see how often that happened (you know, abuse to make him limp or nosebleed), it could have been just those three times. I would say he’s more psychologically abused but he could tough it out due to support and praises from his fellow peers.

Also, on the note of comforting and such, Lucy did go to other people for help. But Mike also shamed her for that and convinced her that none of those people liked her. I believe that she should have gone to other people like you, the same people in fact. But I’m just throwing this out there.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 7:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265723

Also, I wasn’t focusing on Daisy. I am aware of those things but I didn’t elaborate on her because I thought I didn’t need to do an assessment on her, just the first issue I thought on her so to speak.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 7:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #265724

maybe its time that mike got to tell his friends how he really feels about lucy, cause he’s gotta learn to except the facts that a long distance relationship doesn’t last that long as they usually last three months or a year, and I can’t believe that he would turn down lucy for sandy after lucy confessed her love to him in BCB volume 2, that dude just doesn’t know what else he’s has until its gone.

Blake A. Roten November 14, 2013, 7:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265725

@Blake A. Roten

*Plays the cup song*

@buchanen_neket
let me know if some of my descriptions are too long. I’ll try to shorten it. If only Taeshi let us edit 10 minutes after! I really don’t want to take up more space than needed (which is a little too late for that…).

Tylord November 14, 2013, 7:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #265726

Honestly at this point I just want them to drop the Lucy talk, I NO LONGER CARE what happened to Lucy, it’s over. Mike is with Sandy, Paulo is with Rachel, Daisy is with Abbey, and Sue is with McCain. Lucy is no longer relevant, and the plot is moving along just fine… WHY CAN’T THESE PEOPLE EVER BE HAPPY????
Also, when did Lucy become everyone’s favorite person??? I seem to remember a lot less positivity towards her before (because she could be a jerk)

Misanthrope November 14, 2013, 7:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265727

Thanks for the concision, the biggest issue I see is this, you still don’t see the issues a abuse victim faces. How if effects them psychologically, how a person represents themselves, and the big enchilada “why does an abuse victim stay in an abusive relationship” It would take far too long and several pages to explain my stance so i’ll simply link to a webpage with those several pages. Please read it and see how much of that seems familiar to you from the comic before we continue any further. http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/women/abusive- relationship-why-women-stay.php

Please excuse the part about it being about women, it is mostly female centric but I believe that most of those issues pointed out can effect either gender. They even point out that the denial idea that an abused male is just a masochist. But the fact is that once a person has reached these states they have entered state of denial and delusion because a sane person’s mind would say “Hey, this isn’t right, why does my lover hit me all the time?” whereas the abused victims mind says “it’s okay, I must have upset him, I must be getting on his nerves”. This is due to the delusion, their mind is coping so they lie to themselves to make sense of their situation and try to keep some peace in their mind. Once you reach that state you are helpless, because you’ve deluded yourself so bad that you are going to need external help to break free of the hold your abuser has on you.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 7:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #265728

I don’t think I like where this is going… ;_;

- - - November 14, 2013, 7:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265729

@buchanen_neket Mike is not the victim that you’re saying he is, or definitely not to that extent. Mike and Lucy’s relationship involved them both fighting each other verbally and physically, though Lucy hurt Mike more physically… and it wasn’t meant to be abuse abuse; the fights didn’t mean much to either of them on a larger scale. He also neglected Lucy a lot by ignoring her and only choosing to acknowledge her existence in the past when he felt like it. That is one of the reasons for a lot of their troubles.

He was also romantically interested in her as well as Sandy, and his feelings for Lucy stopped suddenly when Sandy finally reciprocated (and Lucy didn’t in time). The two were also best friends, and it showed. They both felt it. They saved each other’s lives; they hung out and supported each other; they were both competitive and often got in fights out of that. He took Sandy’s advice the wrong way, and he chose to treat Lucy poorly once again and ignore her once again and pretend she was some chore once again, hurting her like back in the elementary school days… even though he said he was done with that. And when he yelled at her? Unprovoked. They were playing video games like the old times, he gets a text from Sandy, and she says she’s glad Sandy will make him happy again. And he blows up on her— probably out of guilt that he was hanging out with a girl he used to have feelings for before Sandy, or something like that.

Lucy was following the way their friendship worked, and he changed the rules on her without telling her. If he decided that he didn’t want the physical fighting anymore, he should have talked to her about it and not scream at her while she wished him happiness and tried to be his friend. Do I need to tell you the issues of the entire cast to validate my point? I can if you want me to. I can tell you Sue’s issues, Abbey’s issues, Paulo’s issues, Daisy’s issues (which were covered a lot in volume 1), Augustus’s issues, Mike’s issues, Lucy’s issues, etc. If you want to know the issues of any of the pets? Can do. Just tell me.

In other news…. first time commenting. Love the series. I think Rachel’s wary about Mike, not Paulo. He is acting suspicious. I don’t think Rachel x Paulo are really going to be a couple; I’m pretty sure they’re more friends (with benefits, *cough*) than anything else. She definitely supports him, and I love their friendship. And Paulo x Lucy? I ship it.

shadowed_butterfly November 14, 2013, 7:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265730

I’ll just say that I don’t believe that Mike was (as) abused because he was willing to leave the group (at this point he already alienated Lucy) and was only staying in to prevent drama while doing the play.

But before he became cold, (before volume 2), I agree that he did display most of these signs. He was already starting to ignore her in Starting Over, (the time that the comic started to become more serious). So for intent and purposes, yes I do agree with you, but these signs were displayed strongest when they were in Middle school and such. When this was more of a slice of life comic rather than a drama. I guess what you’re arguing is he was a victim in/since the beginning (which he was) and I’m guessing I’m arguing that he is not longer one by, oh let’s see, half way through volume II? I think I’m seeing what you’re saying now, am I on the right track?

Thanks for explaining via link, it was pretty helpful to see your side of the argument. Also, I explained that the hitting was a security blanket for Lucy as a sign of friendship (in another post), so it is in a way an abuse (it is, hitting is wrong but this was a slapstick comedy material when she did this), but the purpose was not to inflict pain.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 7:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #265731

I think part of the problem, shadowed_butterfly and Tylord (kind of), is the retcon. I get the feeling that if the comic started in the same way the retcon pushed it we would have gotten more into mike’s head, we would have seen the relationship differently, we would have seen the factors more clearly that pushed him to the events of December and you’d probably find more people agreeing with me because we would have seen the problems with Lucy more clearly and not have seen her in such a glowing light and more as the abuser it seems that December and At loose ends were hinting towards. But because this comic started out as silly slapstick people have issues dissolving that idea from the earlier chapters and seeing the hits as painful, the damage (physical, emotional, psychological) caused to Mike. But because of the retcon we now have two different comics with the same characters trying to maintain continuity. Because of this we have issues of people not seeing points being made in some chapters.

I only did that inquiry of Tylord because his/her comment felt like he/she had tunnel vision and wasn’t looking at the full picture. That’s part of the reason i’m seeing things differently than most of those who disagree with me. For the most part i’m looking at the whole picture, the impact of the retcon on past chapters and it’s effect on character behavior. To the point I can see character actions having a different meaning, like Mike’s nice guy persona early on being him masking his own issues or possibly that he was in a state of denial.

@Tylord (specifically),

You are on the right track, you’re just one step off. Think back, what else was happening about that timeframe he changed and remember we never got a direct timeframe of when Sandy started talking to Mike about Lucy’s behavior. It could have been over a couple calls in a few days OR could it have been spaced over the entire time he had his phone. Maybe there’s a sync up of the change and these calls.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 8:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265732

A party drama, well… everyone is knowing the thruth… finally

eagle November 14, 2013, 8:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265733

@buchanen_neket

First: Yes, I am aware of that. I didn’t forget about it or discard it. Yes, it could have been building up as time passed by but taeshi drew the conversation to make Sandy specifically say to Mike that Lucy was abusing him “friends don’t hurt friends.” So I agree that they may have been talking about it and such, but only until that point and at that point that I believe he began to hit rock bottom on his hatred and such which made him from tolerating her to ignoring her. Just a different opinion. It might be a step off for you but it’s the right path for me.

Second: Please stop calling me out on having “tunnel vision” as you call it as it is implying a narrow mind and set in stone. I sought out to pick your brain and UNDERSTAND why you felt this way, which I am glad I did. Ignorance is a state, not a condition. It was good to understand your view on Mike’s abuse. Did it change my mind? No, not really, but it did help me understand the comic a bit more as a whole. Did it help deepen my understanding for the character? Yes and it did help respect him in a new light. I was always looking at the big picture but I just wanted to see it from a different perspective, which is from yours. Different perspectives does not mean narrow minded nor ignorance. Thank you.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 8:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265734

seriously getting ****ing tired of the hate on mike… everyone wants pure hell to come raining down on him, despite him having to deal with that crap his entire life.

lucy has done NOTHING but abuse him and turn him away when he tried to be open with her… he TRIED to move on from sandy early in the comic and tried to be with lucy, from what i recall… but when he gave up on it and started connecting with sandy again, trying to get a stable life going, he gets put through even more hell for it.

paulo even added to the abuse, and he did nothing but chase girls all his life, not just lucy, but pretty much everyone… he’s also CHEATED on several girls, while mike has not cheated even once.

paulo is a pathetic, weak coward who nearly ALLOWED LUCY TO GET RAPED… only reason she wasn’t was because mike saved her.

what is with the mike haters and paulo lovers?

nothing but worthless ***** who support cheating, abusive relationships, and hating innocent people.

GOD DAMN IT! Furious Abbey

Thanatos November 14, 2013, 8:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #265735

Tunnel vision doesn’t mean narrow minded, it’s a lack of situational awareness. In fact tunnel vision derives from the syndrome that pilots get when they are nearing G-Loc (most commonly resulting from staying to hot on a bogey’s six), in this case it means you are too focused on one thing and need to level out and take a breath to regain your awareness of the situation. If I had said you had blinders on (what are put on horses to keep them focused on a path by removing distractions) then that would mean I was saying you’re narrow minded.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 8:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265736

i think everyone is ignoring how godawful rachel feels because her party became a cespool of underclassmen ******** drama

Muffie Winchester November 14, 2013, 8:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265737

@buchanen_neket

Situational awareness is what I’m expanding and always have been, that’s why I read all the comments; to try to understand everyone’s opinion. That’s why I started this whole thing with you, not to convince you but to share with you and understand your side of the argument. I guess it’s safe to say that Thanatos is and example of tunnel visioned? (Seriously, I tried to explain to him twice already about Paulo’s phobia and all he does is repeat himself, just look at page 21 onwards. Never responds to my questions.)

By the way, where are you from to learn all these expressions? Never heard in my life, so pardon the occasional misunderstandings.

Tylord November 14, 2013, 8:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #265738

I can see that now, it’s just how you came off at first that gave me that impression. Anyhow I was born and raised an Okie (not from Muskogee), then spent 8 years in the US Navy. So yeah I’ve got an entire dictionary of expressions to use, some southern, some naval, some just picked up from other sailors from other parts of the world (won’t say country since I met a few US sailors originating from places like the Philippines, Mexico, and Africa) haha.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 8:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #265739

Well, can’t argue with you there. The internet is a hard place to not come off as a jerk when you can’t use vocal tones, am I right?

And that’s really cool! I wish I knew more expressions. One of my favorites comes from Brazil (born there!) and it literally translates, “you’re a banana that pees backwards” which means that you back out of deals and plans at the last second. It’s suppose to be p-i-s_ _ _ instead of “pees” (I’ll let you fill in the blanks out of respect for taeshi, it doesn’t really have the same meaning unless you use the fouler word), but it gets censored.

So let’s agree to disagree with legit evidence and a better understanding of another’s views?

Tylord November 14, 2013, 8:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #265740

Fine with me, never had any beef with you anyways.

buchanen_neket November 14, 2013, 8:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #265741

Tell it like it is, Paulo

GooltheFool November 14, 2013, 9:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #265742

………… This is gonna get ugly (giant understatement of the century). Well, here’s what I’ll do….. -grabs a bag of cookies and eats as she waits for the next page-

Subaru November 14, 2013, 9:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265743

YAY! It’s pick on Mike time!!! You go Paulo!! Give ‘em what’for! 8-) :unsure: :/

Alex Kitsune November 14, 2013, 9:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #265744

Noooo why pick on Mike :( well i guess mike deserves it for the way he treated lucy and now only to wait :/

tony November 14, 2013, 10:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265745

I would like to say, “As if Lucy can’t take care of herself, Paulo!” but then again… hm.

Just-A-Lurker November 14, 2013, 10:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #265746

it would seem lips are getting alittle too loose and it looks like rach isnt looking very happy about how paulo feels

DinR November 14, 2013, 11:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265747

I just started thinking that it is a good thing Mike moved that bottle away from his mouth cause having some ******* knock the **** out of it while it’s in you mouth hurts like a bitch

TheGentleman November 14, 2013, 11:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265748

Mike. Spill it. :nope:

Trubeque November 14, 2013, 11:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265749

Sue is awesome. Does anyone else think the only tense awkward drama this is missing is an appearance from this guy: ;) ? I mean, he could easily tell everyone about what Lucy said when she was on the roof.

Steampunkgirl November 14, 2013, 11:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #265750

Oh dear, this is not going to end well. Michael, time’s up buddy. Time to spill, else the **** will hit the fan and it will NOT be pleasant.
Still believe in you though! Team Mike all the way!!! :)

SIGxMUNDx808 November 15, 2013, 12:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #265753

Well Rachel, you wanted the liquor. Went out of your way to get certain people drunk too!

Too bad you didn’t realize that the old saw rings true: “When the liquor goes in, the truth comes out.” The bitter, butt ugly truth. And also, PUKE!

Enjoy your bittersweet happy hour!

Sincerely,
Your Karmic Backhanded Face-Slap

P.S.: I’m no fortune teller, but I see sobriety partners and AA meetings in your future!

Meridian November 15, 2013, 1:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #265754

Poor Rachel. It must suck having friends who pull drama into everything and don’t really seem to have the self control to suck it up for her birthday. :(

Emily November 15, 2013, 1:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #265755

your page comments crack me up

19523 November 15, 2013, 2:09 AM EST.

Comment ID #265758

@jbow We’ll cop out and make it a flashback!

SuitCase November 15, 2013, 4:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #265759

hmmm the way they argue with each others…..i am getting a dangan ronpa feel here.
Now i only need a Flashback that shows picture for picture how a ****** friend mike was.
Maybe Mike will now finally be found “guilty” and get “punished”.

Hellhound November 15, 2013, 4:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #265760

Am I the only one who thinks Rachel looks mad cuz she’s suspicious of Mike?

Spartacus November 15, 2013, 6:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #265761

Also on a side note I can’t believe you people are arguing whether Mike was an abuse victim or not. IT’S A COMIC ABOUT DRAMA CAT PEOPLE. ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

Spartacus November 15, 2013, 6:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #265762

lucy supporters…are just as dense as the characters claiming lucy was their friend. She was f’n abusive to everyone and everyone but mike acts like she was greatest person on earth. Mike liked sandy and lucy was being obsessive, lucy should have just moved on. I can make a list to describe how scummy paulo is.

wonkybird November 15, 2013, 8:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #265763

@Thanatos I am also getting pretty tired of all the Mike hating comments. But you are being majorly aggressive and ignorant. Like @Tylord told us, Paulo had a phobia and thats why he couldn’t help. Seriously. READ TYLORDS COMMENT ABOUT PAULO’S PHOBIA.

Also your putting all the blame on Lucy. Yes she was also pretty bad to Mike but Mike was also bad to her. You see its pretty much both of their fault. They both screwed up but we can only see that Mike is ”the bad guy” because he dealt the last blow. I don’t think your helping Mike in any way of defending him. It’s both Lucy and Mikes fault. People think Mike is worse because he dealt the last blow. Mike did pretty much go far in December but people shouldn’t be all so hateful and ignorant.

@buchanen_Neket and @Tylord have both been talking about it and the results are that it was pretty much both there fault. Seriously. READ OTHER PEAOPLES COMMENTS. Unless you’re to lazy to read long comments :/.

Personally I don’t really like Paulo, but I don’t really like how bad you’re trying to make him look. He didn’t cheat on anybody. He didn’t go after other girls while he was in a relationship.

I hope you read this and I hope you’ll understand things better 8-)

MikexLucy ftw.

(And don’t give me crap about MikexLucy not working out. Already have heard enough about that)

Too all those who have read this comment, thanks for reading :D

Sinserely: Jonas97face

Jonas97face November 15, 2013, 8:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #265764

Hey Mike
It’s no use

Pyro November 15, 2013, 8:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #265765

I’m gonna make a call here, I think the next page will be another focus shift. I mean think about it, we started this party off with the focus on Daisy and her decision to drink with a touch on her abandonment issue, then we shifted into remembrance of Lucy, then into focusing on the events of December and at least one person piecing together what’s a mystery for the characters. It almost seems like this is a recap chapter, instead of showing slides of the past with narration over it we’re just getting the narrative. So next will probably be Paulo to come full circle from the beginning of his problems in relationships. I also think this because I don’t think Jess is that deep and has no connection with the cast outside of Rachel and Daisy, so if she’s stepping in she’s probably about to lay into Paulo for Rachel’s sake. In doing so will recap Paulo’s past relationships. Plus I think Taeshi wants to torture the retribution seekers for a bit longer.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 9:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #265766

Im gonna say that I still find Mike in the wrong. Im a girl who somehow learned to hit(but not badly) when frustrated or angry and I was never confronted or made to fix the issue. Im in my 20s now and I am trying not to be so physical with my expressions since Im REALLY starting to notice that its not something other people do frequently(oddly enough its more socially acceptable for men to behave this way towards other men which is probably where I learned it). Me and my brother have a relationship kinda like Mike and Lucy in the physical hitting department(obviously not the wanna be your lover type of relationship)

If you remember during the arc where it was shown Mike and Sandys conversations he was FINE with Lucy’s behavior and never really thought it to be overly bad, perhaps he got used to it, but he never asked her to change who she was and [i]only[/i] made big deals about it when she went a little overboard. Mike only started to become exceedingly angry with it once it made Sandy concerned and worried. Now mind you during this time Lucy was backing off from Mike, giving him space since she noticed he needed it. They rarely had encounters and when they did she was rarely physically aggressive though she was always acted verbally aggressive; what I mean by that is she always acted annoyed or ****** off, not being verbally abusive, but I see that as more of a wall and defense mechanism because she didnt know what was going on or why he was acting distant towards her. She FINALLY told Mike that she was happy for him, literally bringing in the Olive Branch of Peace. She was trying to let go of him, so that he could have his life and she could have hers. She loved him and wanted him to be happy even if it meant that it wasnt with him… and thats when he for whatever reason snapped and dug into EVERY fear she had. I hate to say this but he kinda raped her of anything that made her feel secure and able to feel peace or semblance. I use the term rape because what he did was SO out of line that I feel it draws comparison. People dont get over that quick and often times that will stick with them through their life. I havent said anything most of the time and watch the comments occur but REALLY people what Mike did was beyond aweful. He left a girl emotionally scarred potentially for life because he was getting hit once and a while and did nothing to change it. I know hes a teen and may not handle things correctly but why.. why did he feel necessary to drag all of her fears out and metaphorically rape them all and then proceed to skip out of his room to tell his mom about Sandy coming down.

Umber November 15, 2013, 10:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #265767

@ Jonas97face I read your comment. LUCYXMIKE all the way! No substitute! I hoped they would be together from the first chapter. All the arguing is what really makes this place so bittersweet! You have to have it.

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 10:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #265768

Umber,

You have to see it from his perspective. When mike was talking to Sandy he was, as I pointed out, in his delusional state where he saw such actions as okay. As for the rest, well let’s consider how he perceives things especially considering how the shock to his system about his own past effected his perception of things around him. He ended up seeing two different Lucy’s one who was nice and the other who beat the crap out of him. So from his perspective since the *** kicking happened more than the nice-ness he decided that her momentarily being nice was a front. A manipulation to trick him into staying with her. Leading up from that when Lucy gave her “olive branch of peace”, as you put it, he perceived it as her trying to manipulate him again. To try and act nice in desperation to reign him back in. Another look from an outside perspective sees he’s not unjustified in that train of thought. You often see it in abuse cases, the abuser will make promises to the victim, they’ll say they’ll change, they’ll act nice to the victim for a while. Just long enough to get them back under their control then WHAM the abuse starts again. He lashed out as an act of defense, he felt like she was trying to trick him into more abuse. Multiply that with how many years this behavior has been going on and his lashing out turned from just a simple talking to into him unloading into her with both barrels.

@Blue fox,
As the saying goes I may accept it, doesn’t mean I have to like it. But thanks, once i’m dug in it’s pretty hard to get me out of a trench.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 10:37 AM EST.

Comment ID #265770

@ buchanen_neket you may have to except that not very many people care about mike. Poor mike :unsure:. At least you care though. Keep up the fight!

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 10:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #265771

Further, continuing my train of thought, let’s take a little walk down what if lane. What if Mike had accepted Lucy’s Olive Branch? What if Mike had just went back to the old way? What would Lucy had learned? Would anything have been solved about Lucy’s issues with assaulting others?

Here’s my prediction, If Mike had just gone back, Lucy would have learned nothing except a new trick for keeping Mike close to her. She would never have learned the impact of her past actions, never have learned how bad her hitting was hurting her friend. She never would have a chance to learn that said actions were bad so this would ultimately lead to her revelation happening later under worse circumstances and with a worse outcome than her friend screaming at her. What? Did you think At loose ends was just there to only tell Abbey’s story? It was an omen and a warning, a warning of where Mike and Lucy’s relationship could have went if nothing changed.

So ultimately while you guys see Mike’s actions as evil incarnate, it was a necessary evil to shock Lucy’s system to realize, to borrow from the matrix, “how deep the rabbit hole goes.” and I know, some are saying “oh she’s not that strong she couldn’t kill mike with just punches”. Well let’s look at that, how did Abbey’s dad cold cock his mom? He didn’t use his fists, out of anger he grabbed something nearby and hit her with it. Wouldn’t be that hard for Lucy to do the same if she got angry enough, would it? But let’s say she didn’t, let’s say she gets mad at mike hits him hard and knock him into something lethal. Into a rod, off a bridge, etc and so forth. I’ll leave you to ponder that.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 11:21 AM EST.

Comment ID #265772

Oh and one other thing as I can already hear it coming “Lucy was changing, she didn’t need mike’s yelling to teach her”. Not really if she had already learned and had changed, she wouldn’t have attempted suicide. Basically she went from abusing her friend to self abuse. She didn’t learn the wrongs of abuse at all. So if Mike had come back to her without the lash out then Lucy would have ultimately relapsed into her old ways. The evidence is pretty obvious that, like I said, she just turned to another form of abuse to deal with her issues because she didn’t have her punching bag to vent on.

Now while I do disagree with some of what Mike said, BUT I do think it was a necessary evil for Lucy. I’m not heartless, I get that Lucy trying to kill herself was a bad outcome that shouldn’t have happened. But the thing is that this is a hard situation. If Mike had gone buddy buddy again Lucy has a relapse and we now have the risk of her severely hurting Mike. With Mike’s outburst we at least had a chance of seeing true change in Lucy, unfortunately we ended up with (I can hear the torches being lit for what i’m about to say) Lucy trying to take the easy way out instead of trying to fix her problems.

And before anyone says “oh it’s not the easy way out” yes it is. It’s running, it takes more courage and strength to face your problem. Suicide is the person running from their problems, just like alcoholism or drugs. Trust me, I contemplated suicide half a year ago, had my 12 gauge loaded and ready to go, had numbed myself with a buttload of alcohol. All I had to do was put the barrel under my chin, pull the trigger, and BAM 1000 pellets of skeet shot would have put me in the hereafter. I didn’t because I decided I wasn’t going to take the coward’s way out. That I was going to stand and face the fight like I had been raised and how I had been trained.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 11:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #265784

@Misanthrope FINALLY someone else who doesn’t fawn over Lucy and demands Michael’s blood!

I like this guy 8-)

ThatOneGuy November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269549

They’re way to drunk for this. Just sayin’.

Evan December 8, 2013, 10:50 PM EST.

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