80. Happy Hour, page posted 12/12/13

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Happy Hour — Page 44
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Veronica’s Commentary

mike's part time-job is cockblocking random kids by lying in the bed they would do the makeouts in to mope and hate himself

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163 Reader Comments On This Page

Comment ID #269954

Oh…

Hawz December 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #269955

And then they ****?

Pokelova December 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #269956

Poor boo, at least he’s feeling guilty for what he did, now he needs to make it right

Kitmit December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269957

more paulo X mike i see~ I love it! 8-D

CuriousGent December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269958

D:

Shani96 December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269959

ohoho paulo mike lmoa

Doodles December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269960

I sense a ton of feels are about to happen… ;_;

If you look at Paulo’s face as he first enters, he looks like he has the incentive to argue with Mike, but when he sees him, his facial expression turns into some sort of remorse or pity…

I’m curious as to what is about to be said.

AngryBunny December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269961

Notice that Mike is not wearing pants >3>

Roler42 December 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269962

Ok what now Mike. I wouldn’t have guessed Mike would have done that in someone elses house

Edit: Did Paulo just call Mike little???

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269963

The horror. :(

DarthStar December 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269964

Alright PauKe fangirls, on your ma- *GIRLY ORGASMIC SQUELING* GAH, MY EARS!!!!!!!’

Twiggy December 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269965

hes doing a good job :D

EvilKitty3 December 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269966

Doesn’t Mike know that bed has more important responsibilities other than being a place for him to mope?

Ramzin December 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #269967

Yup

Housey December 12, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #269968

This is your chance Paulo, you can finally grab him into your arms, and whisper in his sensitive ears your feelings, he will stare at you, with his beautiful green eyes, and then close them to share with you thesoft deep kiss that you always desired… and then you can f*ck 8-D

why not December 12, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #269969

And then he discovered that Mike was fapping.

SHM December 12, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #269970

Oh the angst.

Seags December 12, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #269971

Depressd Mike is depressed.

Keyblade Dragon December 12, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #269972

lol what’s with that black around paulo’s neck and shoulders.

boh... December 12, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #269973

please tell me that he’s gonna climb in bed with mike to comfort him (in a non-sexual way) and they booth fall asleep, then the next day pictures of them in bed together are all over school.

PLEASE!!!!
LOL

sen December 12, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #269974

@Taeshi: If that was true, then the whole story was created to lead up to this page. :O

Hawz December 12, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #269975

BRING ON THE MIKE X PAULO XD

kurtk December 12, 2013, 1:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #269976

And SUDDENLY ******* :DDDDD

I am not that kinda stuff at all but damn you know there is some sexual tension between them. I mean, mikes dream from that vacation is finally going to come true!

Sleepingfox December 12, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #269977

Wait wait wait, they were they going to fool around in rachel bed weren’t they? What the hell?

On that note What’s wrong with mike now?

lov/hate/hurt December 12, 2013, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #269978

Yes this could lead to an awkward morning after wake up, just wonder who will be big spoon and who will be little spoon. Now I would expect Paulo to be big spoon in this situation but since they would probably be found like this I could see Mike ending up as big spoon and Paulo as Little.

Chrisd765 December 12, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #269979

Hes Ready…

Eko December 12, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #269980

Aside from all the gay jokes and laughs, I feel this may be the beginning of.. at least some more understanding.. from everyone. Mike at last is regretting his actions, Paulo is clearly starting to understand other people’s feelings, and all it took was a little alcohol.

Tom-the-Foxey December 12, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #269981

Don’t forget: Mike never had pants on to begin with. He didn’t just take them out because they were never there.

Gate-senpai December 12, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #269982

I really like this page.. <3

Angel December 12, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #269983

Ah! Gay love seen! I see it coming! Paulo and mike! It’s about to go down!

Kindle_kat December 12, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #269984

This is where the sex scene is supposed to start right?

Some Guy December 12, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #269985

All aboard the
Posted image

Masket December 12, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #269986

THIS ROOM LOOKS LIKE A PRISON.

CATSILL December 12, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #269987

Looks like Paulo found his princess. In before surprise buttsecks or the fact of him waking up next to Mike cuddled together. I expect an incriminating photo to come out of this even if they don’t do anything like that.

tsdr December 12, 2013, 1:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #269988

Boy, wouldn’t it be awkward if Mike was O.D.ing due to a suicide attempt right now… I doubt that’s what’s happening, but man, that would be horrible.

ABwingz December 12, 2013, 1:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #269989

@ABwingz DONT GIVE HER ANY IDEAS.
Teashi must have taken character-suffering classes from Steven Moffatt.

Trubeque December 12, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #269990

@Trubeque: Taeshi has the chapters scripted ahead of time so I doubt it’s that serious.

Hawz December 12, 2013, 1:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #269991

i want your job mike

Dragobir December 12, 2013, 2:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #269992

I was wondering why they weren’t using the bed. Now I know, and it will make me sad. Very sad…

The Real Lee December 12, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #269993

ohhh I was wrong D: … now is some yaoi time jajajaja xD

Knight-A December 12, 2013, 2:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #269994

good lord, you guys really wasted no time getting into speculating the possibility of furry butt loving. I wouldn’t say anything, but when 3/4 of the comments have been about that, good lord.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #269995

Either Mike is thinking in his actions and regrets them finally allowing a conclusion to this saga of sadness, and possibly lead to the reintroduction of Lucy, or he saw his shadow, passed out from alcohol and we will be having 3 more weeks of sadness

Misanthrope December 12, 2013, 2:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #269996

And now I’ll just sit and wait for the inevitable “Ooh Mister Darcy” parody

Morks December 12, 2013, 2:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #269997

Good, yes, now have a closure talk. Drunkenly.

Wat December 12, 2013, 2:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #269998

Hey! I was halfway right! Called back a few pages that Mike slipped away. Just got location wrong LOL

Tara December 12, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #269999

Either Mike is thinking in his actions and regrets them finally allowing a conclusion to this saga of sadness, and possibly lead to the reintroduction of Lucy, or he saw his shadow, passed out from alcohol and we will be having 3 more weeks of sadness
@Buchanen_neket I’m not sure if your trying to start an argument, but out of 42 comments 16 contained “suggestive” content, that is approximately 38% which is about 1/2 as much as you suggested. Please fact check your hyperboles that express offense at silly comments.

Misanthrope December 12, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #270000

lol, this could go all sorts of weird. Hopefully the sexy kind of weird. There can never be enough sexy time, especially between two guys that hate each other so much, they should’ve got married and had babies a long time ago.

Blank On Purpose December 12, 2013, 2:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #270001

Ha-ha,wow, I like how in panel seven Paulo looks like he’s thinking ,,I’m going to slaughter your family” and then just changes back to the ,,cute frowny face kitty” Paulo :)
On another note: Has Mike passed out or he just couldn’t handle the crowd of people with all their cheerfulness at the moment?

B-Dawg December 12, 2013, 2:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #270002

I wonder if Mike is texting Sandy right now…cause that’s what mopey guys do right? Text their girlfriends to make them feel better?

Tickled December 12, 2013, 3:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #270003

Well, its cliffhanger tomorrow. So maybe Taeshi (probably, hopefully) will leave us with something big (definitely). I hope its nothing negative (such as a suicide attempt or a fight or sexual. Yeah I do think PauloxMike is funny but I don’t think it is the right moment). Just hope that Mike and Paulo can talk this through. Not just Mike telling about his guilt but also letting Paulo do some talking as well. They should share their problems. It might (maybe not) prove to improve their friendship (if there ever was).

I can’t wait for the next page to upload D:. I’ve finished my exams and now I’m free from school (until January) and I now have nothing else to do D:. But I think I can survive the waiting XD.

Hmmm now I’m thinking again (uh oh :unsure:). There have been added a few pages. And if there will be more added then I think this might be really serious. Unless Taeshi will focus on the party again during the final pages in this chapter.

Just theories. Nothing more :P

Or what…….. :x

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 3:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #270004

chill out Misanthrope, i was making a joke. It was humorous seeing how people see a scene of a boy walking in on a “half naked” boy and jump to the idea of surprise buttsecks. Humorous to the point of me wondering if it wasn’t intentional.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 3:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #270005

@Tickled. Well that would be odd (perhaps not, every character has managed to surprise me) but when I look at Mike I see that his ears are downward like as he is very sad (well thank you captain obvious). He might be texting her since his arms look like they are holding something (please let it be the phone, not something suicidal since the only thing for some unknown reason I seem to think that Mike wants to suicide :nope:) but I doubt the purpose of texting Sandy is to make himself feel better :(.

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 3:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #270006

Aww, poor Mike… :(

Sty December 12, 2013, 3:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #270007

Aaand we’re back to the same thing that’s been happening for the past year.

I'll Eat Yourself December 12, 2013, 3:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #270008

@Jonas97face
But what else could he text Sandy for? Inb4 Mike texts Sandy he breaks up with her.

Sty December 12, 2013, 3:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #270009

I really miss seeing one of the main characters happy. :(

Sty December 12, 2013, 3:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #270010

@Sty,

” Inb4 Mike texts Sandy he breaks up with her.”

God i hope not. If it is i’ll be changing sides really damn fast.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 3:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #270011

@buchanen_neket That would be a pretty stupid way to “solve” his problems. Because it wouldn’t solve anything.

Sty December 12, 2013, 3:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #270012

You can really see his dad in his face in the 7th panel :\

ChalupaFairy December 12, 2013, 3:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #270013

@Sty,

Exactly, narratively it wouldn’t make any sense either. Sandy’s done nothing wrong to cause that kind of pain to brought on her. If it’s some sort of reversal like mike saying “she made me hurt Lucy” so he breaks up with her as some sense of justification then A) i’m done defending Mike and B) i’ll officially hate Lucy more.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 3:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #270014

@neket I’m just curious cause I can’t remember if you’ve ever said, but why exactly do you hate Lucy so much?

Fox December 12, 2013, 3:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #270015

I wouldn’t hate Lucy, but I think that if Mike broke up with Sandy, he’d have serious troubles managing his problems.

Paula December 12, 2013, 4:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #270016

@Fox,

Well right now it’s not really hate. I just have a very strong dislike for the character. As for why, weeeeell since you wanna open that can of beans:

1) I hate Tsunderes, period (Naru from Love Hina being the exception because she really wasn’t Tsundere, just overprotective). i’ve never liked the archetype because the “reasons” for why they act like that never justifies the actions.

2) the lil’ turd is holding onto some **** that happened like, what, 10 years ago (they should be around 15 or 16 and when she got dissed was way back when she was first entering school so that’d be like 5 or 6). Get the hell over it.

3) She’s got tunnel vision like a muthafugga’. Well i guess that’s a technicality, but she acts like she’s so alone, save for Mike, but she wasn’t above going to Paulo or Sue when she was hurt. But yet her whole character was based around her pushing others way by being a snarky or hitting them. It makes no sense at all.

4) that muthafuggin’ suicide attempt. I’ve already said this before, i really think suicide is the coward’s way out. It’s running plain and simple and….

5) what the hell was she running from? Oh the boy she liked dissed her. Boo-fuggin’-hoo. I got dissed by females pretty damn often when i was a kid, but you didn’t see me ready to swallow a bullet.

wow that was a lot more rough and brutal than i wanted. But yeah i really have a strong dislike for the character, so getting me talking about her gets me riled up. Hell i’m pretty dang happy she’s been benched (or at least was). Finally we can get some development on the other character who aren’t a bunch of emo ***** (well except mike, but he really hasn’t been that emo in a while).

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 4:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #270017

Now sexy time with Paulo and Mike.

PS: DAT ***** 8-)

Solaris December 12, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #270018

Awww.. :(

Angelkins December 12, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #270019

@buchanen_neket

Someone’s being incredibly oblivious to depression and social anxiety.
Not to mention childhood trauma.

GJ at being a bigger annoyance than the character that you hate.

fad December 12, 2013, 4:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #270020

Never mind, he WAS looking for Mike. Welp, things will just keep going from here. Let’s see what happens. Why do I get the feeling we’ll get another cliffhanger though? And Mike, I kinda want to hug him right now

Subaru December 12, 2013, 4:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #270021

@fad,

never said you gotta agree with my opinion. @Fox asked and i explained why i don’t like the character. As for Lucy let me blunt. SHE DID IT TO HERSELF. She’s alone because she made herself alone, she’s depressed because that’s how she wanted to live, etc and so forth. It’s kind of hard to sympathize with someone who screwed themselves.

Aaaaand don’t give me the whole depression thing because i’ll just break out a little violin. You wanna know who’s depressed, kid’s in 3rd world countries, kids who get picked on by bullies on a daily basis, people in the US who can’t find full time work to support themselves. I fail to see Lucy as “depressive” she’s just emo, like all those other emo ***** who have great home lives, tons of emo friends, but develop this mentality that “everything is pain” and act accordingly even though NOTHING in their lives is causing them pain.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 4:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #270022

Awww pLEASE YAOI TIME YAOI TIME

MoonlightAroraa December 12, 2013, 4:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #270023

aaah feels

Kat Smith December 12, 2013, 5:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #270024

“The little grey kid.” Geeze Paulo, ya racist!

Daeva December 12, 2013, 5:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #270025

This may be the first page that features Mike, that I’ve seen in a long time, where the majority of the comments aren’t about all the Mike haters and Mike defenders arguing up a storm.

Granted… most of comments are about surprise butt seks, so…

Einar December 12, 2013, 5:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #270026

@buchanen_neket

“I fail to see Lucy as “depressive” she’s just emo, like all those other emo ***** who have great home lives, tons of emo friends, but develop this mentality that “everything is pain” and act accordingly even though NOTHING in their lives is causing them pain.”

But THAT’s just what a depression is.
The result of a trauma or situation that makes even sunshine and happiness look like dull and grey sadness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(mood)

So get that branch out of your *** and start making sense already, or else you’d be just as hypocritical as the character you loathe.

You’re marginalizing s serious mental condition otherwise.

Besides, just because the character started out as tsundere doesn’t mean it is anymore since this whole comic has been slowly and seamlessly retconned over the years.

Summary:
vupq

fad December 12, 2013, 5:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #270027

._.

Mr-Hero-Bio December 12, 2013, 5:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #270028

And that’s why i disagree with the definitions of depression. Humans, cats, dogs, everything in nature IS ADAPTIVE. 10 years is a looooong time for someone to remain effected by trauma. And for that matter, SHE GOT SNUBBED and had one creepy dude coming onto her. THAT’S NOT TRAUMA. You want trauma, one of my buddies still has nightmares from when he got blown clear across the flight deck when he walked behind a JBD (jet blast deflector) with a jet at military power on the cat. THAT’S TRAUMA. Trauma’s the **** that gives you nightmares, that has you peeking over your shoulder at every moment, that gives you flashbacks of what caused your trauma. The only thing that’s happened in Lucy’s life that could be defined as traumatic is her incident at the river and you’ve seen how that’s effected her.

Everything else has been stuff that she could have learned from. In a way she did learn buuuuut the way she learned has lead her to self destructive tendencies that AGAIN she could have adapted from when she saw that it wasn’t a good path to take and we did see her adapt a bit BUUUUUUT then she gets dissed and instead of continuing with her adaptation. She RUNS! She tries to kill herself EVEN THOUGH she wasn’t alone, even though NOTHING ELSE besides Mike’s shout fest was causing her pain.

So sorry if you think i’m being dismissive but Lucy wasn’t depressive. Lucy had no trauma relatable to that being a possibility. She had a couple bad incidents that she blew out of proportion then proceeded to make her life worse by adapting in the wrong direction and proceeding to isolate herself which in turn lead to her making HERSELF depressed by AGAIN blowing things out of proportion. In this case the wrong belief that she was alone, WHICH SHE WASN’T even though she tried her hardest to make herself that way.

Again this goes all the way back to my #1 of why i dislike Lucy and Tsunderes as a whole. Once again, her behaviour isn’t justified by it’s origin, in Lucy’s case her reasons for being tsundere are the result of self inflicting loneliness and “depression” on herself. It may make no sense to you but that’s how i see things.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 5:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #270029

@fad Wikipedia is not a reliable source just to let you know.

@buchanen_neket and @Sty. Well ofc he wouldn’t break up with Sandy because he thinks its her fault. I think he already knows who’s fault it is (it is debatable though :/) and the only reason at this moment at why he would break up with Sandy is because he might feel that he doesn’t deserve her and that he deserves to be alone. Soooooooooooo…….. yeah :smirk:

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 5:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #270030

@Jonas97face,

Haha, i was thinking about saying that but avoided it because i was already on a different tangent. But yeah i remember my college professor going off on us not citing Wikipedia as a source of information.

As for the other part, it was the only way i could think of Mike doing that. Buuuuut, what you said might be a possibility. Doesn’t mean i have to like it though. Like i said if Mike breaks it off with Sandy because of this then i’m done defending him. I might be in the minority but I like Sandy and don’t want to see that kind of thing being dumped into her life which is already pretty rough for her (even though others love to disagree with me on that angle).

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 6:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #270031

geez, this is just SCREAMING MikexPaulo

Bleh December 12, 2013, 6:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #270032

@buchanen_neket

1) Why would you blame Lucy if Mike decided to break up with Sandy for HIM hurting Lucy? How the HELL would that be Lucy’s fault? FYI: Mike doesn’t take responsibility, and if he was texting Sandy to blame her for his actions, this just further proves it.

2) You’re acting like they have a choice in their depression. You lack empathy because you’ve never experienced it or dealt with someone who struggles with it. The way you talk about it everytime this gets brought up makes you look really insensitive and rude. Break out that little violin and mocking opinion in front of someone like me who has a friend with it, and I’d punch you in the face for disrespecting them and everyone else who suffers from it.

3) Saying that there are sadder lives out in the world (AKA: Get over it) is disrespecting the experiences of the miserable person in front of you. That doesn’t solve anything but shame them for having feelings. You might as well say, “****, don’t be too happy because someone out there ****** money and excellence with their fancy cars and hot wife.”

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #270033

@Lickit&Stickit. It sounds like you’ve experianced it before. I think I recall you telling us a little bit about what has happened in your life. If you’ve dealt with depression before then I hope your ok. I have dealt with it my self although I don’t know how grown up depression works since I’m in still in Highschool. I dealt with a lot of depression during 7th grade and even more depression during 9th grade and a little bit during 10th grade :(

@buchay ofc you don’t have to like it. Everyone is allowed to uphold opinions of their own (unless its about mass murdering everybody in the same room as they are in D:).

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 6:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #270034

@buchanen_neket

Something else about the discussion I missed while typing, please knock it off thinking that no one can experience trama other than in the military.

My best friend was raped by her boyfriend, and held at gun point and robbed twice. It keeps her up at night. It ruins her mental sanity. She feels that she can’t trust anyone because the person she loved violated her and even strangers in the dark spell out harm.

I have things that keep me up at night. Everyone does. Not one person’s demons are bigger or smaller than anothers. There is no “suck it up because I know what real fear is.”

In the words of Mark Twain: “Nothing that grieves us can be called little: by the eternal laws of proportion a child’s loss of a doll and a king’s loss of a crown are events of the same size.”

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #270035

I read this web comic backwards, starting off with mike being a jerk to Lucy and then reading backwards till I understood why, so my opinion is a little bias, because every time Lucy was rude or aggressive, all I could think of, was, can you blame her, considering that even when she opened up in a small way she gets shot down? and in December, which I interpreted as Lucy trying to reconnect as a friendship, and not trying to get with him, he kind of screwed with her head a little, one minute being friendly and then at the turn of the hat being very cruel.
after that, everything she does BEFORE it seems to be practical. like, she was just avoiding December and because she was trying to avoid it, she caused it to happen.
and I don’t feel like Mike really ever put Lucy ahead of Sandy, I think he just felt like Sandy was an impossible dream. so… I feel like when Lucy was unkind to him… it may have hurt, but not enough to justify his actions.
I don’t really want Lucy and Mike. I feel like Lucy needs to learn from this to have more acceptable behavior. but i think mike needs to really regret. because it seems like he said all those things in December just lashing out, i don’t think he really meant them, but that can really hurt someone, and he needs to know how serious it is that he doesn’t say destructive things like that in a moment of anger.
I want Lucy to go find that agent guy, the one who predicted that mike would leave her. he gave her 100$ to sing, and she said she would, (i might just be forgetting, did she yet?) she should fulfill her promise. and I think it would be good for her to be there, because she knows he’s not just trying to get with her, or use her, so she can get over that (pretty ridiculous) wall and open up a little.
and I’m sorry that mike is going through this in this way. i was kind of annoyed that even when he seemed to regret his actions, he still asked why she couldn’t have changed sooner, when he still cared, as if to blame her for his lashing out.
people are flawed (even cat-people) and when you do something wrong, you can’t just excuse yourself because they did something wrong too. maybe even something more wrong. someone else’s bad decisions doesn’t mean your bad decisions are excused. acting badly is acting badly, wrong is wrong, so you cant justify your mistakes by blaming it on someone else’s. i don’t like that mike is this upset all at once… its a lot to put on his shoulders, and I think he’s going through a swing of emotions, from trying to justify himself to feeling like everything that went wrong is his fault.
i think he should regret being cruel, forgive himself, and realize that whats done is done, and he should just avoid lashing out like that in the future.
and if and when Lucy opens up, and gets over the fact that she’s not PERFECT and that she made mistakes, a whole slew of them, in her behavior, i think she should find him. because mikes always been prone to being depressed, and even if he gets to the point that i want him too, it’ll be good if Lucy could be like,
hey. its true that you were a bit of a jerk. but I was too over the years. and I shouldn’t have freaked out so much. I felt like I had made so many mistakes that I didn’t deserve friendship, love, or even life. I felt that I was completely worthless. i felt that because i was so flawed, i couldn’t really go through the motions anymore, because i kept messing up and hurting myself and everyone else. but you know what? everyone is flawed. and we have to get PAST that. even when we don’t think we deserve to be forgiven, because we are flawed people, we still have to forgive ourselves, and one another, because that’s friendship, and love, and life.
um, yeah, that was a lot longer then i meant it to be. >.

momomelon December 12, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #270036

aaaaaand i posted it in the middle of an argument. >.

momomelon December 12, 2013, 6:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #270037

@Jonas97face

I don’t like his type of response to the condition. The reason why people respond the way they do, and refuse help is because of this type of reaction. Constant shame on the people suffering. That’s how you end up with suicides and mass shootings. They feel like they have no one and everyone responds with “Get over it, or someone is suffering more than you. How dare you be sad.”

It’s a viscious cycle. As a society, we need to stop with this American attitude of, “Suck it up and don’t feel ever.” It’s unhealthy.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #270038

@momomelon

Two thumbs up for this view.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #270039

@Lickit&stickit,

1) Just as easily as people blaming Sandy for Mike’s lashing out at Lucy did. Seriously though, what was the suicide attempt if not a cry for attention? I mean really the biggest question still left in the air is the why. I don’t trust Lucy as far as i can throw her. I still think her “change” wasn’t genuine, just her trying to be what Mike wanted her to be because she was too thick headed to envision a life without him. If it wasn’t then why didn’t she just leave when Mike asked her to leave that night. If it was a genuine change she should have understood that she needed to back off because her clinginess was part of the issue. Then there’s the suicide attempt, again i believe either she was running OR she was trying to get mike to come back to her.

2) you do recall me saying a while back that i was contemplating killing myself at one point. I’d say i’m pretty familiar with depression and not only fighting it but getting over it. I have empathy for depressives, but again LUCY WASN’T DEPRESSIVE.

3) well i can’t say whether or not i should empathize or break out the violin for the person in front of me as i don’t know a thing about you. But the fact that your making your case comparable to lucy’s feels a bit insulting to yourself.

In summation, depression is a broad spectrum term (which i’ve said multiple times). It often gets misclassed and misdiagnosed. But the biggest thing some people aren’t actually depressed. It might be cold and callous to say this, but i am so sick to death of people playing the depression card when their lives aren’t bad enough to warrant harmful levels of depression. Lucy is one of those cases, her case wasn’t harmful, it was the effect of the cause of nearly a lifetime of ****ing herself.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 6:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #270040

@Lickit I wasn’t talking about your argument when I said that he could hold whatever opinions he liked. I was talking about the phone thing with Mike :smirk:

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 6:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #270043

@buchanen_neket

1) Honestly if that’s you’re logic, you have a terrible sense of the word. Blame Lucy even if Mike still refuses responsibility by breaking up with Sandy. Lucy plays no part Mike’s feelings towards Sandy, because he was trying to cut her out. Sandy plays a big part in Mike’s decisions. It’s not the same.

2)People don’t attempt suicide in secret for attention. They do it TO DIE. Period. People talk about suicide with others for attention. In a, “Do what I want or I might kill myself.”

3) I still see Lucy as someone who is depressed, the fact that she tried suicide in secret is a test to this. In her world, nobody cares but Mike. It doesn’t matter if YOU think it’s pathetic, dumb, or petty. She WANTED TO DIE OVER IT. She TRIED TO DIE OVER IT.

4) Again, Mark Twain has a great statement about the laws of proportion for grief. I do not compare my causes with depression with Lucy’s, because I am not Lucy. You are missing that point. Observing her lately, she is depressed. She acts depressed. She attempted to die. Alone. In secret. She is suffering. You can be in denial over the causes as silly or petty or what have you, but that didn’t change the end feeling or result. You can’t compare people or the affliction that way. Especially with how irrational depression can be anyway.

5) My experiences with depression are different than yours. But that doesn’t change the way we both were feeling about how we felt we couldn’t get better. Congrats for rising above whatever kept you down. But it’s not easy for anyone. And you will never fully understand someone else’s depression or how it got there. I often feel that I don’t really understand how it got that bad until my therapist is coaxing it out of me. It just happened.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #270044

spoon with him paulo. it will make him feel better. or at least give him a hug. i mean yeah he’s been a butt, but still. he is your friend

King_Crimson December 12, 2013, 6:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #270045

@Jonas97face,

Apparently L&S was.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 6:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #270046

Woah. Man I must say that I love your number 2) @ Lickit. It made a lot of sense :O


Well if the comment section will be open during christmas then I hope you @buchay and you @Lickit say merry christmas to each other :D.

Is your christmas on 24th or 25th D:???

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 6:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #270047

@Jonas97face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYc

This is actually my favorite video describing how it actually is. Depression can have a cause, but sometimes it can just appear one day without warning. No one should be shamed for it.

Edit: I like to argue with him. He is probably one of he most frustrating complicated personalities I know. Everything he is rabidly passionate about, I find I always stand in the opposite corner. But that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate his views or broading my own understandings (when he’s nice about expressing them at least).

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 6:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #270048

ohhhhhh, i really wish you wouldn’t have done that. The same could be said of Lucy that her actions influenced Mike to take action against another (same argument others used for Sandy when Mike lashed out). THEY HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF INFLUENCE if Mike breaks up with Sandy. Whether he does it because he thinks he doesn’t deserve Sandy or some weird role reversal of him blaming sandy for him hurting Lucy. Either way Lucy does have influence over his action.

2) BUUUULLL ****!!! That’s all i have to say to that one.

3)Again, let me play the world’s smallest violin for poor wittle Lucy.

4)still disagree

5) Uhhhhh, not really. I was fighting it the whole time. I contemplated it but it was for like 5 minutes with the shotgun on my lap. Mostly calling myself a ******* for even letting it cross my mind. The idea of it being a way out was only total 30 seconds of that 5 minutes. the rest of the time was saying i could get better and i would get better and get out of what put me in that bad situation. So i’d hardly say i was thinking that i was in a belief that i couldn’t get better. I stood and fought, like i’ve always done.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 6:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #270049

@Lickit I loved that video ;_;

Thankfully I don’t really need it since I have gotten over most of my depression (I can thank my best friend). But many other people do need it :(.

Jonas97face December 12, 2013, 6:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #270050

@Jonas97face

(Views his above post)

Aaaannnnndd then he comes back with ignorant and insensitive opinions towards everyone elses problems. Which he thinks is hidden by what he thinks is a solid argument and I question how society lets him function without conspiring to murder him over his lack of empathy.

Maybe it’s apathy, but then I know he feels a lot of rage. Narcissim might be a better word considering he does have a lack of understanding to view any situation outside of his own, which he finds to be the BEST example and most important to gaining true life knowledge. The rest of us? Nah, we’re just kidding overselves. Only he can judge whether someones irrational illness is rational. My mistake. :P

To moot this discussion because I see no rational argument posed, I think Paulo might bond with Mike in this panel. I personally find Paulo a lot more tolerable in his mishaps and he usually doesn’t know what he is doing. He’s just an idiot.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 7:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #270051

@Jonas97face

Honestly, I have my black dog as a constant companion. And for me, there were many things that contributed to his appearance. He grew quickly over a certain period of my life, then I refused to acknowledge his existence by literally running away from him. It took him half a year, but he caught up. And he got a lot bigger when he did. Ironically it was my best friend that got me to start acknowledging that I had more of a werewolf than a dog. He was recovering himself at that point.

I started seeing a therapist and had to start with figuring out the physical details about him. How large my black dog was, and observing what life events fed him so well. The more time spent on magnifying his existence and causes, the smaller he started to get. He’s still a presence, but being able to see his size helps avoid feeding him anymore.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 7:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #270052

@Lickit&Stickit,

I did it to kind of hint i’m done with the argument because we’re just going in circles. Maybe it’s my age, but that’s how i’ve developed.

1) depression is a normal part of life, it wasn’t till recently that it suddenly became the sole cause of everybody’s problems. So now EVERYONE is depressed. I was taught that it’s just something you have to deal with as a part of life. You eat the cookie, go to a church (if you believe that sort of thint), drink the beer, or get the quickie one nighter. Whatever it takes to get over it.

2) Committing or attempting suicide is being A) a weakling B) an attention grubber or C) an act of revenge for being wronged. I was taught you’re supposed to stand, fight, and face your problems.

3) It’s not really being insensitive, not per se. Just a belief that modern psuedo science has changed us into a society of pill poppers and thin skinned individuals.

I really don’t care if you agree with me or not, but you kept pushing a subject i had no interest of discussing in length. So you get what you “paid” for.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 7:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #270053

Can someone explain this term tsundere to me because I have never heard this word

Tigerclaw32 December 12, 2013, 7:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #270054

@Tigerclaw32,

It’s basically a female character who is outwardly cold or violent towards another but are all warm and loving on the inside. Oh and there’s always some “reason” for them being like that. Mostly though it’s usually some weak sympathy fluffing trying to justify the girl being a bitch.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 7:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #270055

@buchanen_neket

Hahaha. Sure, but I didn’t lose anything by attempting to educate you or widen the horizon of that thick skull of yours. Though I enjoy that you think you have SUCH the sway and that you really stuck it to me good. :smirk:

I still think you failed to pose a good argument about it. Both to me and everyone else on this page that was asking. And I still find your stance to be impaired by a large lack of empathy for anyone but yourself honestly. Actually, I think that the biggest issue whenever you pose your arguments, but I suppose the cold and calculating response is one we don’t often see on the board. Most of the people here are big hearted individuals that like to play a more moderate role.

Lickit&Stickit December 12, 2013, 7:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #270056

@Lickit&Stickit,

Who said i was trying to sway opinion. Someone asked me for my opinion and i gave it. You guys are the ones who got all butt hurt when it didn’t sync up with what you believe. As for one of your earlier comments (one i failed to address). I don’t think that because i was in the service that it makes me an authority on the subject. But in the same way you have been making a few blanket statements yourself in the other direction into believing that anyone who’s a little sad automatically has a clinical case of depression.

Anyhow, I use my experience in the service because it gave me a very good view on humanity, specifically the worst of humanity. That said, I think there is a certain level where depression does becomes harmful, basically resulting from a person not staying on the ball and handling the issue before it becomes too much. It is a choice to let it fester. Same as if a person doesn’t treat a cold and contract something worse. However i don’t see Lucy as being at that harmful level. She did self inflict depression on herself but no more than what an average person faces in their life. That’s why the suicide attempt still leaves me asking why. There are people who do **** like that to get attention, whether you want to believe it or not.

Now getting off that tangent before we start into another argument. These are my beliefs, they are what kept me alive even in the worst of times and even losing faith in humanity as a whole.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 7:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #270057

@ buchanen_neket calm down. I don’t agree at all with your thoughts on depression or a bunch of your other thoughts about mike. I will however defend your right to the death to say them.
Paulo is going to have a bro to bro talk with mike. They will bond on Rachel’s bed talk some things out and hopefully they will both get to become better closer friends. Then paulo will lay mike down on the bed hold him tight in his arms and nibble on his ear a little bit as he turns out the lights.

Blue fox December 12, 2013, 7:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #270058

Awww… Paulo shows actual concern for Mike! #^_^# You can see it in his eyes in the fifth panel…
And yet… he still puts on an angry face in panel 7. Paulo, who are you trying to kid, he’s seen you break out in tears, you don’t have much manliness left to save :P

Sambo December 12, 2013, 7:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #270059

I’m just gonna quote @Blazenarm here and say:

AND.

THEN.

THEY.

BANGED.

Sambo December 12, 2013, 7:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #270060

@buchanen_neket
Thank you for the explanation of that term, but I have read the whole argument you have been having with L&S and I must say he is right about you. You seem to lack any form of empathy for anyone going through depression. You argue that because you went through depression that you have a relatively good grasp on the subject, but this isn’t the case. You have a good grasp on what your depression was like, but you don’t know what other people’s cases are like. As L&S said everyone’s case is different. I suffered from depression at one time due to living with my Bi-Polar mother constantly telling me I’m not worth anything, kinda sounds like Lucy and Mike doesn’t it. It got so bad for me I did contemplate committing suicide while sitting in my closet with an antique knife to my wrist. The only reason I didn’t wasn’t because I realized my life wasn’t that bad; It was because I saw that I had to take it so my mother wouldn’t do it to my younger siblings.

You need to realize that your cause isn’t how they all are. And suicide isn’t pure weakness. It is done by people who have fallen so far they can’t figure out how to get back up.

Tigerclaw32 December 12, 2013, 7:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #270061

@buchanen_neket - Actually, from how she was acting before she got all distant and even leading up to the play, I’d say she was contemplating leaving it all. Her being sent away against her will by her family most likely pushed her further into depression because even the people she thought she could depend on weren’t giving her a choice in the matter - which, let’s face it, Sue didn’t give her choice about the play and Mike showed clear disdain for working with her, which she was feeling awkward and maybe even scared about. Every time she was stuck with him, it wasn’t by her choice. During the history essay, that only happened because HE had the outburst and the teacher did it spite him while she looked horrified and later tried to give him his space and talk to other people. WHICH HE ACTED LIKE SHE WAS A **** FOR! - on what happened with her life. Mike never talked to her about his issue until he exploded. He gave a lot of mean looks, but never let her see them (and those that did tried to warn her about how he felt about her, but she never believed them because this was MIKE, her BEST FRIEND). To her, he was slamming her with a very large hammer and breaking her apart like a glass figurine for no reason at all.

Everyone experiences depression differently, and I would say that the way she quietly tried to kill herself instead of doing it in a place everyone would see (like jumping, as Augustus thought she was about to after she heard from her family what they were planning), she was NOT trying to get attention. She just wanted to leave the world of people who pulled her one way, pushed her another, and otherwise treated her like crap and left her alone.

Mike was her best friend and so his opinion mattered the most to her above all others, and when he hit her with a sudden explosion of “you’re a parasite, you’re just clinging all the time, nobody wants you, everyone hates you, I hate you”, she believed him because she knew at least PART of it was true. She WAS clingy. She DIDN’T want him to leave her alone, and after he exploded she still tried to beg him to stay. And when it’s your best friend is telling you at least one thing in a slew of untrue things that IS true, you’ll believe the rest of it.

What Mike did was the worst kind of betrayal. Rather than talk to her about it over time, he metaphorically backhanded her and then punched her in the gut, walking away after spitting on her. When she tried to change, to make things right again, he refused to see that she was trying to be a better person and treated her like scum on his boot: “Ugh, you’re still here? Get out of my life, you parasite”, kind of thing. He never SAID that, but he sure as hell treated her like it. He NEVER tried to make amends. His half-hearted apology was the cry for Sandy’s approval and he didn’t care one whit about Lucy, as long as Sandy heard that he apologized.

If he hadn’t treated her like that after Sandy’s call and just gone on with having fun as friends, I would have more sympathy for him. But, he wanted her gone, destroyed, “it’d be better if she just died”. So, she took her best friend’s opinion, his highly regarded opinion, and let herself fall deeper and deeper into depression until she chose to kill herself.

If you were looking at all sides, I wouldn’t be so ****** off at you. But you’re always looking at Mike’s side and calling Lucy a bitch, and it’s so damned biased that it’s making me sick every time you open your mouth. Lucy made mistakes, but NOT ONE PERSON told her it was wrong! NO ONE told her any differently! She didn’t KNOW any better! Are you going to slap the child for getting into the cookie jar for the 13th time that day when no one else told them any differently the past 12 times? “I thought it was okay, why did you hit me mommy? Daddy and Grandma and Grandpa and big sister said it was okay!”

Zone December 12, 2013, 7:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #270062

@ buchanen_neke

For saying

2) Committing or attempting suicide is being A) a weakling B) an attention grubber or C) an act of revenge for being wronged. I was taught you’re supposed to stand, fight, and face your problems.

you are eternally an *******.

OmegaB December 12, 2013, 7:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #270063

@Tigerclaw32,

Okay, i will say this again for clarity. I do empathize with individuals who are ACTUALLY DEPRESSED. Not everyone who’s sad is automatically a clinical case of depression. Some people are just sad, that’s life. Again, you eat the cookie, drink the beer or whatever you have to do to get out of it. I fail to see Lucy as a case of depression, this is amplified because i see Lucy being in the place she was at because she put herself there. Your’s was a case of actual depression, it’s comparable to my earlier example of a kid being bullied. L&S’s sounds like it might be but because i don’t have specifics i can’t make a determination. Lucy’s by my determination wasn’t at those levels. Her depression was mild in comparison, that’s why i said it’s insulting to L&S to compare her (i think L&S is a she) situation to lucy’s because Lucy’s wasn’t anywhere close to being that severe.

@Zone,

Someone has to. If i become the ******* of the site i don’t care. Ask yourself, if it wasn’t for me starting this way back in “december” would anyone even remotely be saying “okay, they were both in the wrong”. I highly doubt it, if i hadn’t taken Mike’s case way back when there’d be nothing but a blind bandwagon mentality of hating mike because he hurt lucy. Again i don’t care if it makes me out to be the devil incarnate of the site. If the cause is worthy of my attention then i’m more than willing to get dirty, that’s what i do.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 7:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #270064

@buchanen_neket - Stop assuming you know everything there is to know about depression. Some people show depression in different ways, and may not even realize they HAVE it until they’ve sunk too deep down into it and people FINALLY notice. How do YOU know how severe Lucy’s depression was? We focused on Mike during that downward spiral, not Lucy! We hardly ever saw what’s going through Lucy’s head, and for all we know her tough act has been her trying to “stand up and fight”, as you so CALLOUSLY put it. I think you need to shut your mouth on this matter, because you’re only digging yourself a deeper hole and we’re going to throw the dirt on you for your biased, selfish, narcissistic, “I experienced it so I must know all levels of it and be a pro and I say Lucy is just vying for attention” mentality.

If she was vying for attention, WHY THE HELL DID SHE NOT TELL THEM SHE WAS GOING TO DO IT?! THAT’S what people vying for attention do! What Lucy did was an escape, the ONLY escape she knew, for a world that didn’t WANT her. And even that was closed to her. The ONLY reason they found out is because they visited! She didn’t leave a note or anything and only her family knows what she ACTUALLY did.

And, clearly, Augustus thought that she was depressed enough to jump on New Year’s Eve. Maybe he knows this stuff better than you do, or at least knows HER better. Stop being a know-it-all *******. You DON’T know it all.

Zone December 12, 2013, 8:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #270065

@buchanen_neket
I keep seeing in many of your arguments that you say depression just doesn’t have enough of a stable definition, this wording was paraphrased, but with that same comes the fact trauma also doesn’t come with an exact definition. Any sort of negative event can cause trauma; it doesn’t have to be an exceptionally scary or sad event and trauma is what leads to depression either by 1 event or multiple events. Small traumas can still lead to big depression.

Tigerclaw32 December 12, 2013, 8:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #270066

Dammit, this is why i didn’t want to get into this, i knew people would get butthurt over my stance.

I never said i was an authority. How many times do i have to say that? You’re the one assuming that’s what i’m saying. As i have said MULTIPLE TIMES, from MY PERSPECTIVE she wasn’t on that level of depression. From my own PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, i know the level that a person enters that harmful state.

As for what do i know about Lucy’s level of depression, THE ENTIRE ****ING COMIC HAS BEEN ABOUT HER STATE. Overblowing it out of proportions in many cases. Taking out the sympathetic fluffing what do you have, a girl who developed a lifestyle to try to make isolate herself, that ASSUMED loneliness made her depressed. I say assumed because as we’ve seen, again, THE ENTIRE COMIC she has a ton of friends.

As for on the rooftop, i’ll turn back your question, how do you know she was gonna? If she was that’d be pretty damn noticable wouldn’t you say.

Anyhow, i’m done trying to argue this. you guys accuse me of trying to sway your opinions when in actuality it’s you guys trying to sway mine. I’m not going to sway on this. If you think i’m a dick, I DON’T CARE.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 8:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #270067

@buchanen_neket - I’m not trying to sway your opinion. I’m trying to get you to stop making her out to be the devil, which she isn’t. She’s not trying for attention (on the rooftop she was just overlooking the town she was going to be leaving soon thanks to her family’s plans), she’s just depressed. Whether you believe her to be, I don’t care. The rest of us do. MY problem is that you make Mike out to be a saint when he’s as much at fault for how she turned out and is definitely NOT a good person.

By the way, tsundere (ツンデレ), is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing his or her warm side over time. The word is derived from the terms tsun tsun (ツンツン), meaning to turn away in disgust, and dere dere (デレデレ) meaning to become ‘lovey dovey’.
It is not “weak sympathy fluffing” to justify Lucy being a bitch, it is something that she actually goes through during the story (starts out cold, but warms up to the group over time). And, no, it DOESN’T always have some kind of dramatic back-story behind it. Some people are just BORN that way. And it happens with MALES, too.
Just thought I would correct your earlier definition of it.

Zone December 12, 2013, 8:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #270068

“who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing his or her warm side over time”

That’s what i said. That warm fuzzy side doesn’t come out of nowhere you know. Every anime and manga i’ve seen that has a Tsundere always has some sympathetic backstory to the character. That’s also why i don’t class Naru from Love Hina as a Tsundere because she really doesn’t have one, running opposite of the trend for the tsundere archetype.

And yes it is fluffing because we always get the backstory from Mike, it’s ALWAYS over exaggerated.

As for the other part, noooot really. I’ve only been arguing it this way today because A) i don’t trust Lucy’s change and B) that’s just where the subject it went. But most times (not today) i’d say i’ve been fairly decent about talking up both sides. But i am arguing Mike’s side of the case, i’d be a pretty ****** “lawyer” if i conceded guilt.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 8:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #270069

Taeshi has been watching Steeve Moffet Doc.Who, considering all recent depression.
Someone could die soon.

Obsidian December 12, 2013, 8:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #270070

@buchanen_neket - I have seen many tsunderes that don’t have dramatic pasts (I’m not going to bother naming any here, you’ll try to refute them all). As for Naru from Love Hina, I couldn’t give my opinion. I haven’t seen that show. Maybe I’ll check it out in the future.

I’m going to step out of the comment section for the rest of the night, as I have things to attend to at home. I’ll see you on the next page, everyone. *waves*

Zone December 12, 2013, 8:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #270071

Don’t know if you’ll see this but, @Zone, if you check it out read the manga. The anime glosses over a lot of story, including alot of information about Naru.

buchanen_neket December 12, 2013, 8:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #270072

All I want for Christmas is MikexPaulo! :love: oh god, please! please!

Kitty Juice December 12, 2013, 9:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #270073

@buchanen_neket

Depression doesn’t have set levels you ignorant moron!

OmegaB December 12, 2013, 9:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #270074

@Taeshi Nice job on making Rachel’s room the same as the last time you showed it. I was gonna call you out on that too. It every good story telling and makes the comic easier to read and believe.

June-pay Eeyorey December 12, 2013, 9:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #270075

@Buchanen_neket

“Your’s was a case of actual depression, it’s comparable to my earlier example of a kid being bullied. L&S’s sounds like it might be but because i don’t have specifics i can’t make a determination. Lucy’s by my determination wasn’t at those levels. ”

*JAW DROPS*

Wait. No just WAIT. You want to consider making a judgement on me based on what I said about my own depression? And someone else’s scenario?

I can’t even tell you how ****ed up that is. I still have it whether or not YOU think I have enough cause. YOU cannot make a determination of whether or not the situations leading to my or anyone else’s depression is WORTHY. It doesn’t matter for **** how it got there or what it’s called. It’s there every waking moment. And through every nightmare.

Do you know how often I personally wonder if I could have done better? I sit and analyze the experiences that brought me here and I BLAME MYSELF. I still do. It doesn’t matter how many times my therapist explains to me that it was the summation of a betrayal of everyone I loved in a less than half a year.

Is it sad that I still do that to myself? Obviously. But I’m trying to break a self-adjusting perfection cycle that my family has drilled into me since my childhood. And to add to that, your childhood does matter in all this. It may not hold anyone back, but I guarantee it shapes you character, everything from how you handle others and how you react to the present.

I don’t blame you for sharing an opinion. But I want to show you that it’s downright awful that you think anyone with depression “Let it get bad” or “Brought it on them-self.” Especially when you were a victim yourself. You didn’t want it to happen. Would YOU like it if I told you that your experiences were self inflicted? The military could have contributed and made you this way, but you signed up for anyway. See what I’m getting at here? It wasn’t your fault that you ended up the way you did. :( Regardless that Lucy is a fictional character, I hope you wouldn’t actually say half the stuff you’ve said just now to someone like her. Because you’d be affirming all the negative **** in their head.

Lickit&stickit December 12, 2013, 10:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #270076

._. Why can’t people just read the comic without fuming at each other… I feel like I can’t even post what I want to say about the story and characters without someone there to put in a negative word about me/my opinions. I have never commented for this reason, but I’m popping out of my cave just to remind everyone that the comment section isn’t here for flaming.

RueQuKitsune December 12, 2013, 11:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #270077

Regardless of what the causes of depression may be, Mike’s reaction is weak and selfish. That his regrets about his mishandling of the situation with Lucy send him into a depression is completely normal and understandable. What I find intolerable is his reaction to said depression: moping. Stomping off in a huff and rolling around in one’s own sorrow indicates immaturity, and therefore puts the validity of his depression into question, perhaps even rendering it null and void. When someone mopes, he essentially expects the Universe to stop and remedy whatever issue has risen in said person’s life. Sitting down with someone and actually talking about his regrets offers a mature, effective way of easing the burden of depression, as it lifts a weight off one’s conscience while keeping in mind that the person must take initiative to remedy whatever malady plagues him; the man who takes this route understands that the Universe doesn’t care.

As a final note, any who plan to rebuff this post, please understand that I have personal experience with the issue.

Also, @Blue_fox, I award you twenty points for the Voltaire quote.

Mayor Incognito December 12, 2013, 11:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #270078

crying intensifies 8-D

Vistiant December 12, 2013, 11:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #270079

P.S. I propose you all take an ice cream break before this thread degenerates into an uncivilized mess of the Comment Section’s equivalent of poo flinging.

Mayor Incognito December 12, 2013, 11:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #270080

@ buchanen

Why don’t you trust her change? I see no evidence for it being a false change. Until Zachary told her that she could hurt her friends, she had no idea how bad she was hurting people.

It’s a problem that all of the cast shares. They are unable to understand how much they can hurt people. Daisy has hurt Abbey a lot during this chapter because she can’t see how she is hurting him. Paulo hurt Lucy and Tess by not considering them before satisfying himself. They all lack empathy: the ability to see things from other perspectives. They impulsively make decisions without considering others.

Lucy was the first to learn. Someone with empathy, who could see both her side and Mike’s side, passed it on to her. Afterwards, there is a definite change in her actions. She is nicer, and not only to Mike. In my archive trawl, I have not seen her be unkind to anyone without provocation. She tries to take the burden off of Mike a little by talking to her other friends. She starts to consider other people’s feelings and begins to accommodate them.

As for Lucy not really being depressed: I don’t want to use that word, as it is oft ill used. I will be more precise in my opinion of what happened to her.
As a result of her more open state, she lets people know how she is feeling. She lets others influence her in order to avoid hurting them. Those few that she trusts other than Mike fail her. Mike flings the worst he can at her.
Now there are two reasons why that hurt her as much as it did. One, because it had the sharp edge of truth. From a certain viewpoint, those accusations have a kernel of it. And truth always hurts. Two, because she trusted him. And not the paltry trust she was beginning to put in others. She trusted his opinion more than anything else in the world, including her own. She believes everything he said to be literal and complete truth. This caused her to hate herself (continuously) as much as he hated her (in his moment of weakness).
I have an honest, non-rhetorical question. Do you know what it feels like to hate yourself? I have only tasted the smallest edge of it. But I digress slightly. If the world would literally be better without you, is that not a valid reason to commit suicide?

“Maybe it would be better if she just died”

Mike’s not the only one who can jump to conclusions. And Lucy has no Sandy.

Lordofrye December 12, 2013, 11:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #270081

That doesn’t look healthy.

starfighter105 December 12, 2013, 11:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #270082

Somewhere in the depths of my mind, a whisper,” Prepare your anus:3

Justadude December 12, 2013, 11:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #270083

My fujoshi mind is racing right now. Sadly, I know it will never happen. Oh well, a girl can dream…. and write fanfics

FlyingPotato December 13, 2013, 12:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #270084

Mike your already a douche, don’t go emo on us :P

JustSomeCritic December 13, 2013, 12:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #270085

I have to say I agree with buchanen_neket‘s first comment. As soon as I saw mike on the bed, I figured most people would go there…I just never figured that many! Some of you guys are really into “Surprise Furry Buttsecks!” huh?

That aside, I guess Mike’s still processing his feelings…Or singing “Marvin’s Room” with Sandy.

“Are you drunk right now?”
“I’m just sayin’ you could do betta…”

Meridian December 13, 2013, 2:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #270086

Guys, guys, guys…

From what I’ve gathered

buchanen_neket is a troll

shhhhh it’s okay :D

Hunnikitty December 13, 2013, 2:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #270087

I’m not for MikexPaulo but screw it i’m going to troll “Can u feel the love tonight” :-*

JustSomeCritic December 13, 2013, 2:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #270088

Also i couldn’t read all the drama that started with buchanen, but there was a part talking of those girls that are always angry like naru from love hina, and as much as i’ve said lucy is kinda a b it ch, i have to say that the love hate dynamic is what got me into Bittersweet. I love couples who fight or have trouble admitting they like one another. I read the entire love hina manga after watching the anime and i freaking hated naru! Because she was a b itch, however she was the kinda bitch u just liked to be around. The correct term for lucy and naru is that they are spitfire’s. A girl who keeps you on your toes and every min that you can spend with that person makes you feel like the luckiest guy in the world. Having said that i don’t see the luckiest guy thing for mike so much. More for Paulo. Lucyxpaulo pin for example shows how much fun it is for paulo to be around her and she’s such a spitfire that it drives him wild. So ya i will never deny that she’s a handful, but she does have some wierd power to draw people to her. We all need a spitfire :smirk:

JustSomeCritic December 13, 2013, 3:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #270089

Why do I get the feeling Paulo’s just gonna tell Mike what an ******* he is and make him feel worse

$adiq December 13, 2013, 3:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #270090

Loving how buchanen_neket dug ‘emself into a hole with ****** arguments and general awful and baseless opinions propped up as facts.

Fhinx December 13, 2013, 3:23 AM EST.

Comment ID #270091

forgot how he compared empathic and understanding people as being butthurt.
That’s just fukken’ rich.

And when he claims he can be emphatic he end up acting like the typical “I’m not racist, my best friend is a ******” racist when trying to argue why they’re not heartless ********

Makes my nechbeard and fedora sense tingle

Fhinx December 13, 2013, 3:39 AM EST.

Comment ID #270092

@Fhinx that is kinda mean. That you like that @buchanen dug a hole. It tells me that you wanted him to do that. Do you hate him or something? And why are you talking about racism?

And wow many people are hitting @buchay in the guts. Some times I just don’t want to post my opinion of fear for getting attacked by commentors D:.

Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 3:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #270093

@Jonas97face

He did just make a glorified claim that he believed that some people’s depressions aren’t worthy enough to be justifiable. And that people want to be depressed and suicidal for attention. He also admitted people would not like this stance. He was right. It’s heartless and lacks any empathy for other situations that he feels are not sad enough. :/

I already said I don’t hate him. I just think he has serious issues relating to other people’s hardships that he finds smaller than his own.

Lickit&stickit December 13, 2013, 4:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #270094

@Lickit I understand you. I just fail to see what racism has to do with the conversation. That’s all. I just don’t like when people say that they enjoy to see others in pain or being attacked and things like that. It’s kinda how I felt during the 9th grade. I just wanted everybody to die cause I didn’t want to be the only one to be feeling pain. I’ve mentioned before that I have caused others great pain but I never enjoyed it. I always thought I would since I wasn’t finally gonna be the only one to feel bad. But you know what. It caused even more pain. I’m still in great pain cause there are so many people that I want to apologize to but I just fear that I might make things worse D:.

There was this one kid though in my class who was constantly getting bullied only because he talked different then the rest of us and he was kinda childish. I realized I wasn’t the only one that felt depressed. I started defending him during 7th grade all the way up to 10th grade. During 9th grade I realized I wouldn’t be able to defend him forever so I started to let him handle his situations even though he would never win an argument and everybody would team up against him. I it so that he would be ready for Highschool because he was going to a different school then me. Note that on Iceland we don’t go to highschool until after 10th grade :x

Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 4:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #270095

Okay, i’m sorry, but when did being self reliant become “heartless”. That said, you guys say “heartless” like your spitting it. Even though it’s totally false, like i said, NOT EVERY CASE IS A CASE FOR DEPRESSION. If that was the case then everyone should be on prozac because everyone gets sad sometimes. I just don’t see Lucy as a depressive, get the **** over it and stop trying to white knight the subject.

@Justsomecritic,

Again, I DIDN’T START THIS. Fox asked me why i didn’t like Lucy and i answered. Then the others started in with the white knighting when it didn’t sync with their opinions on life.

@whoever made the comment about my butthurt comment,

Yes it is being butthurt. They chose to go on the warpath because i won’t feels bad for poor wittle lucy. I am honestly sick to death that the bleeding hearts (when i was growing up they’d be called wusses btw) can say whatever the hell they want but god forbid the one who’s a little callous because of how society made him gets demonized. It’s ********.

@the “troll” comment,

I’m not a troll, these are my actual honest to god feelings on these subjects. It’s called life, it’s nothing but tough titties and sour milk so you have to tough and self reliant to survive.

buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 6:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #270096

Okey. Then, next page.

HongKat December 13, 2013, 6:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #270098

@ buchanen_neket
But what about meeeee, buchey? Whatabout me?
I did a comment to you earlier. I want to know what you think.
My comments seem to fall in one of those zones that people never read. I need to post earlier so my well-written stuff doesn’t go unnoticed.

Lordofrye December 13, 2013, 7:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #270099

@Lordofrye I don’t think your comments go unnoticed. I read every comment. Even the small ones. I guess that there are so many others @buchay has to reply to ;) since he technically has to hold the line pretty much on his own. It can be difficult to have your own opinions on things because others want you to have the same opinion as them. Although I must agree with @Lickit. I feel really sorry for those who are depressed. Once you become depressed then it’s really hard to not be depressed anymore since you’ve pretty much given up on things (that is when you need support from other people). One thing is that I don’t like suicide (I’m not talking about attention. I don’t think Lucy suicided for attention). I mean its sad but I just think its unfair for other people that care for you. But when your depressed you kinda think nobody cares about you. The only suicides I don’t really sympathize (please don’t hate me) is like when a mother suicides herself and leaves her child motherless. I just find those kinda things unfair for the child. Children shouldn’t have to experiance those kind of things :(.

Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 7:47 AM EST.

Comment ID #270100

@buchanen_neket- I applaud your valiant effort to maintain a stance of realism on the subject.

Mayor Incognito December 13, 2013, 8:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #270101

@buchanen_neket

[i]”I’m not a troll, these are my actual honest to god feelings on these subjects. It’s called life, it’s nothing but tough titties and sour milk so you have to tough and self reliant to survive.”[/i]

I though I had been rendered a constantly bitter and snarky ******* by tons of ****, but then you come along and make me look like Mary ****ing Poppins in comparison.

Real life isn’t a warzone where you have to be a cold and cynical killer, so cut out the “tough and self reliant to survive” ********.
If you refuse to rely on people you THINK you can trust, then your mental state will eat itself up inside-out.

Also lol at the fact you still call people butthurt because you can’t come up with a sane and sensible argument.
Your maturity level have dropped lower than that of a 13 year old.

And white knightning is STILL not the same as being empathetic for a valid reason, you’re just being a hardass for no good reason whatsoever.

The sooner you realize that, the sooner this world will be a better place.

Also you still don’t understand the definition of depression, since your definition of it is pretty much the same as chronic stress.

And while stress and depression goes hand-in-hand doesn’t mean they’re the same thing.
Anxiety is also involved but not discussed in current topic.

Wikipedia is also a good source IF the article in question refers to plenty of valid scientific documents and other legit sources.

Long story short, No-one here is white knighting, rather you’re being a black knight for some reason.

fad December 13, 2013, 8:42 AM EST.

Comment ID #270102

@fad then tell us where the source comes from. I don’t think he’s even talking about you when he says ”troll”. He was replying to Hunnikitty not you :/.

Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 8:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #270103

I wonder what their hangover’s gonna feel like… you know, after being drunk for how many weeks? lol XP Joking!…. But yeah I can just sense that it’s gonna be horrible.

Jack December 13, 2013, 9:18 AM EST.

Comment ID #270104

After reading several comments I find I side with the one everyone is arguing about.

Jack December 13, 2013, 9:21 AM EST.

Comment ID #270105

Is Mike going to be alright? Seeing him act like this is making me a bit sad.. Hope Paulo will be a good friend to cheer him up, despite with what had happened with Lucy..

Michelle December 13, 2013, 9:46 AM EST.

Comment ID #270106

I really hope they frick super hard like they just need to do the fricking. like paulo needs to lock the door get in bed with mickey n just have sensual **** love making. 8-) :unsure: frickle frackle.

appleapple December 13, 2013, 9:49 AM EST.

Comment ID #270107

@Buchanen_neket You’re right. Everyone else has selective reading and is misconstruing what you’re saying to the extent that they believe you’re implying everything you’re not explicitly rulling out. It ties into the propaganda in their lives about we’re all victims and the whole pussification of America thing. No longer do generations learn to tighten their boot straps and do what’s necessary. AKA the more progressive and Marxist we get the more emotional, irrational, weak-minded, and pathetic. Thank you public schools and media tools for propaganda.

Jack December 13, 2013, 10:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #270108

@Jonas97face
1: Scroll down to the references tab.
2: Open the linked sources.
3: apply source criticism
4: ???
5: Profit!

Wikipedia is great if you know how to use your knob, sadly most teachers or university professors label it bad because of a handful of incidents on a site of behemothic proportions.

Failing to realize even otherwise well renowned library books or scientific sources often contain downright wrong or awfully biased information.

@Jack
Careful, someone who can’t identify a clear cut case of depression probably also can’t recognize satire even if they had it explained to them.

fad December 13, 2013, 10:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #270109

Feeling time! A feeling storm is about to arrive :D

eagle December 13, 2013, 11:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #270110

Woah @Jack. We got a Reaganist over here. We should not start involving communism and other political issues cause that doesn’t have anything to do with Bittersweet :P.

Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 11:19 AM EST.

Comment ID #270111

@fad We found that “someone”… @Jonas97face

Jack December 13, 2013, 11:23 AM EST.

Comment ID #270112

Paulo: hey mike.
Mike: what?
Paulo: me and Rachel have sex were your laying.
Mike: ewwwwwwwwwwww my face was laying there!

Blue fox December 13, 2013, 11:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #270150

@fad

Only HE knows the true dark side of the force. And he will wield it with all his hatred for mankind because the world is dark, sadistic, and not worthy of his pity.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 1:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #270202

C-C-C-COCKBLOCKED. :P

Oceanus92 December 13, 2013, 6:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #270210

You know you want it, Paulo ;)

The Nameless One December 13, 2013, 6:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #270216

Your descriptions are so terse and hilarious.

OneDaySale@Macy's December 13, 2013, 9:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #270217

It’s good job he get’s plenty of income from parents who don’t want there kids fooling around at these kinds of parties. Sorry had to continue the joke set up in the author comment box ^^

DragonMaster77 December 13, 2013, 9:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #270226

Is it just me or did Paulo look cute in panel 4? :love:

RandomFandom December 14, 2013, 1:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #271450

.-. Nice one Mike. Nice one…

MEOW December 30, 2013, 9:52 AM EST.

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