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yeah i'm sad about instacheck too
Pokelova December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
The feels…I was expecting a different reaction, but eh. Feelstrip it is.
Gryph December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Keyblade Dragon December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
HongKat December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Hawz December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
I dont like where this is going.
Liust December 13, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
That moment when you don’t know what to say, so you say nothing and mope along.
Zone December 13, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
At least Paulo didn’t spoon him
MoonlightAroraa December 13, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Sad cats are sad indeed.
Keyblade Dragon December 13, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
See, Paulo can be a good friend
EvilKitty3 December 13, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
They both wish Lucy was there with them.
Keyblade Dragon December 13, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.
I think Mike has been trying not to hate himself as much as all of us have hated him, for a while. Yeah, he did it to himself, but. Idk. All I can say now is, poor thing.
&&I wonder if this will parallel Paulo comforting Lucy Cx
Silveryogurt December 13, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.
This chapter is scheduled to end on the last Friday of the year if there are no Christmas pages
Kindle_kat December 13, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.
I was like “aw”. Then I saw @Taeshi ‘s comment. Then I was like, “CURSE YOU, TAESHI!!! YOU MADE ME LAUGH!”
But seriously, that comment went with today’s page well.
Gate-senpai December 13, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.
FastSpells45 December 13, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.
Ah! The “Bro Bonding” is about to (hopefully) begin!
Which is ENTIRELY different than “bro bondage” FYI!
At least I hope Paulo takes this opportunity to not be an arse and actually do something nice for Mike… for once in his life.
5Cats December 13, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.
i just want to cry besides them too!
mikedawn December 13, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.
I guess the alchool meter already emptied up with all those tears
Knux-the-Killer December 13, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.
Awe, Paulo being a good person to check on him. ….now make out.
Aoriki December 13, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
Paulo:….So, the last time I was in here….
GobHobblin December 13, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
Closure talk! Closure talk! Closure talk!
Wat December 13, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
Man this must be driving the Mike-haters CRAZY. Or, positive thoughts, maybe it’ll convert them?
Just remember folks, you don’t know nearly as much about the story and characters as the author does, so don’t bother gettin’ mad. Just enjoy the show. :3
MykelTDT December 13, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
Here’s my jumping-the-gun prediction on Monday’s comic:
C’mon, quit being such a wuss
*sob sob* but I did this…
P: then quit being such a bitch about it and DO SOMETHING
M: but what can I do? Nobody even knows where she is…
P: Oh, there’s someone in town who knows where she is.
And the two heroes, fuelled by liquid courage, go to Lucy’s (old?) house and pummel the door until Jordan answers, and they force information out of him
jhornb02 December 13, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.
Bloom: Gee Mike is sooo Sad. What do you think mr. heavy Sock puppet?
Heavy Sock puppet: CRAH SOM MOAH!
BloomKitryn December 13, 2013, 1:20 PM EST.
1. I love how paulo is so understanding.
2. The bubbles kinda make me laugh since they are still drunk.
3. What is instacheck?
Tigerclaw32 December 13, 2013, 1:20 PM EST.
@BloomKitryn: What a mean puppet.
@Tigerclaw32: Was wondering that too…
Hawz December 13, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.
*whispers* i ship them
theyre cute together though
mike getting mad at paulo for being a dick n then kissing him to shut him up aaaaa
*melts into a puddle of feels* pls
Meulin December 13, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
Yay, no cliffhanger this week.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.
Jonas97face December 13, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.
Well said you two.
starfighter105 December 13, 2013, 1:41 PM EST.
RIP INSTACHECK :<
Sadness all around.
Freixe December 13, 2013, 1:46 PM EST.
dey gon frick
i can feel it
KiraDood5 December 13, 2013, 1:48 PM EST.
Nah instacheck leaving is good. Keep Pokemon clean of exploits yo.
I hope they spoon
Ket December 13, 2013, 1:49 PM EST.
Designated Mike disliker. I am not moved by his realization to tears. He needs to be changed by it, and do something about it. Even if his plan falls flat, it’ll show he learned something from all this and grew. Then I’ll be satisfied with his progress as a character growing from bully to responsible person.
What he’s doing now is just accepting his humanity and realizing how much he might have pushed someone who was suicidal. And this is good, but he’d really be an ******* if he didn’t feel the least bit bad about what he did.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.
NO NOT 71 HOURS!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO
D: ……….. what will I do!?
make them be gay and have sex
dubstep_kitteh1 December 13, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.
It’s now or never Paulo…make what say count.
Jayden December 13, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.
Oh just cuddle him already ya big softy. :V
*Looks up Instacheck* I have no idea what that is but apparently it was an easy way ta get Shiny Pokémon in G6. Does anyone even WANT Shinies for stat purposes anymore? I know shinies look neat though. Shiny Gardevoir becomes a goth lolita when Mega’d. V:
Jessica U. Ingmann December 13, 2013, 2:13 PM EST.
And then suddenly gay ships everywhere
That Guy December 13, 2013, 2:14 PM EST.
that was mistake… For mike
USE TIME MACHINE!
Mr-Hero-Bio December 13, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.
Wasnt Rachel’s room more, i dunno, more colorful??
zero December 13, 2013, 2:17 PM EST.
I think I’ve seen her comforter at Walmart…
jhornb02 December 13, 2013, 2:26 PM EST.
@buchey When Paulo woke up there.
titansCrypt December 13, 2013, 2:32 PM EST.
Tails December 13, 2013, 2:40 PM EST.
You DO realize what the fanart for the next couple of months is going to be like, right?
Some Guy December 13, 2013, 2:50 PM EST.
OMG Taeshi’s spot on with the Instacheck comment
I miss it too, now everyone’s gonna get scammed for IV pokemon
Drifterkid December 13, 2013, 3:05 PM EST.
I’m so sad…
I miss Lucy…
And Mike is sad about it now, he would say sorry to Lucy if she were still here…
My$t3ry December 13, 2013, 3:10 PM EST.
I know Mike did plenty wrong, but besides the fact that he’s a stressed out 15 year old whose friends treat him at least a little like a punching bag, it’s hard to hold what he did against him when he was only retaliating because LUCY was a bully. Re-reading the archives lately, I’ve been shocked at how cruel she could be, and for no reason.
Plus, it’s still better to take extra pleasure in pondering about why things happen in BCB than it is to complain about why we think they shouldn’t. We ARE here to enjoy ourselves, right? And we don’t know a thing anyway until Taeshi puts it to paper.
MykelTDT December 13, 2013, 3:13 PM EST.
I saw character growth in Lucy until she went off the deep end from Mike’s hate rant. I’m waiting on Mike’s turn is all He needs it.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 3:21 PM EST.
Here’s a question Lickit&stickit, what kind of growth are you expecting? Because couldn’t it be said that Mike’s shift to no longer allow himself to be the doormat of the group is a form of growth as a character. Maybe not the growth you want but it is still growth.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 3:23 PM EST.
Yes, but Mike wasn’t already suicidal. She was suicidal when she was made fun of, and plus, Mike cut deeper than any physical pain could: in December, Mike called her “a parasite” and said that he was leaving the table. He also said that they’d join him.
She was called worthless.
He told her nobody loves her.
He told her nobody even could love her for who she was.
And when she tried to change — which she did — he rejected her.
Even as a friend.
Mike was definitely worse.
Parasite December 13, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.
Now wrap your arm around him and hug him. Hug him with all your love.
VolnuttN7 December 13, 2013, 3:28 PM EST.
So he became less of a door mat and became an asshat? *slow clap*
No seriously? Am I supposed to be impressed?
He stands up for himself by saying says things like, “It’d be better if she were dead.” And “NONE OF YOU ACT LIKE FRIENDS.” (Even though, you know, they were supporting him. Like bar Paulo, standing there doing it. Even forgave him for his abuse of Lucy.) And to give Lucy some credit, she was being pretty damn nice to everyone before the incident.
Hahaha maybe you’re proud of him, but that’s because you seem to like a toughened up, THE WORLD IS HARD AND WE NEED TO TRUST NO ONE, view. Because that doesn’t cause more problems. We have Lucy as a poster child for that line of thought. Actually ironically, Mike became the old Lucy. And the old Lucy WAS awful.
Anyway, take it this way buchey, it’s easy to give up on everything and be an ******* like everyone else. But it takes a real man to care about humanity. The ones crazy enough to think they can make a difference, typically are the ones that do.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 3:33 PM EST.
Yeesh, ask a simple question and people go nuts, and people wonder why i act like everyone’s against me at times.
“It’d be better if she were dead”
When did he say that. Seriously this is twice i’ve heard someone say that in a counter and nobody’s presented the page where he says that.
That said, Yes, i do believe that because his nice guy doormat attitude is what pushed him over the edge back in december. Hell it’s the perfect case in point why being the bleeding heart nice guy works for no one. It just makes you miserable because you get used, abused, and the weight of the world gets dumped on your shoulders. Now do i think Mike pushed it too far in December, yes, but he had every damn right to lay into Lucy.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 3:39 PM EST.
I miss Lucy. What Mike said to her…damn
Justadude December 13, 2013, 3:45 PM EST.
Buuuutttt Nice guys get the great girls
Asshats get what’s left over.
Ps. Nobody has a right to lay into anyone. No matter who did what first.
ALSO. The chapter is that modeling show with Sandy. Just beautiful or something it was called.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 4:04 PM EST.
“The next page debuts in 69 hours!”
Mentally 12 year old reporting in
CC December 13, 2013, 4:05 PM EST.
I’ve been making the call that Mike and Sandy won’t last for a while, mostly based on the notion that they have no idea who eachother really are, and that’s just being reinforced more and more with Mike’s bitterness showing through. Sandy thinks of him still as the sweet 8yr old she met in 3rd grade, and he still thinks of her as the beautiful girl who paid attention to him. Granted we don’t know much about her real personality, but I don’t think Mike does either. There’s a reason long distance doesn’t work, and the chance of their relationship failing is just being compounded more and more with the other issues that keep coming up.
jhornb02 December 13, 2013, 4:15 PM EST.
Okay i found it, buuuut, yeah i will have to argue that based on Sandy’s reaction. She got over him saying that pretty quick, soooo, it seems the way he said it was more him being a smart ***, no malice in his voice. Not literally meaning it because if it sounded like he meant it and wasn’t being snarky i’d think Sandy wouldn’t have dismissed it so quick. Further, He didn’t say that to Lucy, the way you guys are saying it is as if he said it to Lucy. He was just being snarky because he still thought Lucy was trying to turn others against him, note his line before he said it “once again i’m the bad guy”.
If you wonder why i’ve defended mike so fervently, that line is a line he repeats multiple times throughout the comic. He didn’t get like that out of nowhere, he got that way because everyone really did always flip the situation to make him out to be a bad guy when in actuality he was trying to please everyone. They ALWAYS jumped to Lucy’s defense (save for like what the first couple of chapters and then it really was only Daisy having issues) and in turn treated Mike like he was the bad guy.
That said Lickit&stickit, your class mentality is showing. I argued this a looooong time ago, but here it is again rearing it’s head. It seems that alot of your beef with sandy is stemming from her being upper class, that there has to be some ulterior motive or treachery in the future because of that. The fact is if Sandy was going to be disloyal to Mike we would have already seen hints of it because there’s a year left in the comic (from what i’m hearing) that’d be a pretty quick shift from Sandy being a sweet girlfriend who only wants to see her boyfriend be happy to being some skanky gold digger.
As for the two breaking up, really not seeing it. Again if there’s a year left Taeshi’s going to have to go rapid fire and put majority focus on Mike and Sandy for a good part of that to show their relationship deteriorating. So far there doesn’t seem to be even a hairline fracture in that ship.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 4:31 PM EST.
I have a feeling someone wrote this before me, but…There’s a lot more drama in the comments than in the comic right now.
RandomReader December 13, 2013, 4:46 PM EST.
WHAT IS GOING ON?!
Mr-Hero-Bio December 13, 2013, 4:48 PM EST.
And that´s ok, because the comic has “happy” hour atm
MiLo love is the only thing that matters right now
Tails December 13, 2013, 4:51 PM EST.
…and then someone walks in and thinks something ELSE is going on… xD
TarriPup December 13, 2013, 4:53 PM EST.
David’s buck *** naked, i think that’s more rude. Also not sure if Sue’s wearing a skirt or just a top. But besides that i don’t think Mike’s the only one sans pants at the party.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 5:04 PM EST.
whoops, wrong term, although sandy’s mom may be one. But i mean that the mother seems to be one of those parents who live vicariously through her kid.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 5:27 PM EST.
Oh man, the talk we’ve been waiting for. Dang you, cliffhanger!
Subaru December 13, 2013, 5:40 PM EST.
Guy makes friend suicidal. Friend of girl punches him in the face. Not justified, but obvious why it happened.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 5:42 PM EST.
@Kev People that whine about instacheck are just the worst. Eggs still needed to be legitimately made, all instacheck did was see if the shiny value matched, it did not affect the eggs at all, and that meant you could give eggs away to other people and it brought people together into a really kind helpful community. Screw that “exploits” nonsense.
That being said if instacheck was collateral damage for getting rid of something actually horrifically damaging like Battle Analyser, then I’m alright with it being gone. People just have such stupid opinions about “legitimately getting shinies”
Nobody is stopping you from continuing your masuda method or chain-fishing or whatever, meanwhile I was happy breeding mawiles for friends and giving mawiles away to people excited to breed more/acquire a shiny. Instacheck was great and hopefully it comes back because it sure sparked a nicer community than the “wahh muh special shinies you’re all cheaters wahhh” naysayers.
Taeshi December 13, 2013, 5:47 PM EST.
@MoonlightAroraa you know it would have been adorable if he had.
King_Crimson December 13, 2013, 5:49 PM EST.
Okay that’s debatable until we hear it from Lucy herself that she tried to kill herself because of Mike. I still think that he wasn’t the only one to blame, i think that the multiple members of the group played a role (including paulo). It’s even debatable that he was the catalyst, the move could have been the catalyst, it syncs up better in the timing. It could be any number of factors. Honestly i’m going to laugh for days if it turns out that Lucy ends up saying it was all of the above, purely out of spite of all those who are quick to make Mike the sole reason for her suicide attempt.
On that subject i do apologize for how harshly i handled the suicide issue yesterday because the thing is while that is the way i feel about suicide (in lucy’s case it was reason one i gave), i do understand that some people like to sympathize with the suicidal. That’s why i’ve been trying to avoid that conversation.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 6:01 PM EST.
Awww buchey, I’m touched. You can teach an old dog new tricks. I’m also sorry that I get riled up about it. You know how I feel, and I think people need to just be sympathetic to those hurting instead of pushing them down. Dumb causes aside, suicide is a poor choice. Anyone who feels like the need to go there obviously needs help.
I think the world would be much better if we could grasp hold of the fallen and tug them back to the land of the living. Did you know there’s a study from Ted talks that says giving makes people happier than spending on themselves? In a personal example, I like being there for my friends because giving them my time and advice makes me happier cause I feel like I made a difference.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 6:06 PM EST.
“giving makes people happier than spending on themselves”
Okay, no offense (and this was done before your edit, i’m referring to charity here), but from what i’ve seen people who are like that usually believe they’ll get some sort of reward in some shape, form, or fashion. It’s a result of conditioning, you do something “good” and you get rewarded. In adult life people shape it into religious belief (belief that being good will get you into a cushy afterlife), belief in Karma, looking better in society’s eyes, or just believe that doing something good will make something good happen for you. I’ve yet to see someone who really gives charitably, selflessly.
buchanen_neket December 13, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.
Hahaha, don’t be so cynical, either way you are helping someone. Sometimes I just donate my cash or time just because. I don’t plan it. There isn’t a gain, I just like knowing I helped someone. I’m not doing it for me, I’m doing it in good faith that someone might have a better day because of it.
If it does feel good it’s because it feels like you’re helpful. Everyone needs to be needed.
Lickit&Stickit December 13, 2013, 6:29 PM EST.
Alex December 13, 2013, 6:36 PM EST.
Sigh, it just didn’t work, y’ know? Everything’s a disappointment…
I just wanted to see which Pokémon Egg was going to hatch into a Shiny…
Emoji December 13, 2013, 8:33 PM EST.
I’m trying really hard to keep my inner yaoi fangirl from exploding.
I really am
but this is making it very difficult.
On a more serious note, I hope Paulo and Mike can sort out their differences now that they’re alone, without the pressure of having the whole group witnessing everything. They really, really need a closure talk
FlyingPotato December 13, 2013, 8:48 PM EST.
MAKE OUT MAKE OUT MAKE OUT! 8D
No I’m not a perv guys, seriously. But this is just too funny not to post .
#include December 13, 2013, 9:15 PM EST.
I’m sad Google is destroying Youtube piece by piece
DragonMaster77 December 13, 2013, 10:00 PM EST.
And then they banged.
TellmeLies December 13, 2013, 10:41 PM EST.
Just-A-Lurker December 13, 2013, 10:54 PM EST.
It’s confirmed. Paulo is master auspitizer.
If you get the reference you are awesome.
Thatguy December 13, 2013, 10:56 PM EST.
Me and my friend after Persona 3
Trubeque December 13, 2013, 11:27 PM EST.
Come on Paulo, you know you wanna be the big spoon. <3
Don’t be a butt. ;P
Juicebox December 13, 2013, 11:38 PM EST.
I FRIGGIN CALLED IT!!! Paulo x Mike bromance!!!
Random dude December 14, 2013, 12:15 AM EST.
I’d like to take a poll, because honestly i’m not entirley shure. Is mike crying over lucy? Is he crying because he just told everyone of his friends that he doesn’t believe any of them are his friends at all?…And now will have no friends? Is he crying because of what a DOUCHE he was to lucy and all the nasty things he said that spun her into a world of depreshion, and her leaving? (Not entirly convinced but): is he crying because he thinks its sandys fault like alot of u have pointed out for telling him to stand up to her? All?
JustSomeCritic December 14, 2013, 12:25 AM EST.
They need to get sweaty already. P.s. don’t forget to lock the door ;D
CheeseCoatedChopper December 14, 2013, 2:10 AM EST.
I think he’s crying over Lucy, but also because he’s not the man he thought he was.
He thought he was a good person. He led himself to believe that his actions were righteous fury from how he was treated, but he failed to see the extent of the damage he caused, and the aftermath of that damage…to the point where some of Lucy’s inner circle judged that it would be unhealthy for Lucy to see him in her vulnerable state. She might do something to herself again.
The thought that he could be that cruel was something he tried to first ignore, then gloss over, then hide from, then justify, but was never something he fully confronted until that party. The realization that he actually was that cruel broke his hard, self assured exterior.
He is now face to face with the darkness in him. And he’s doesn’t have an answer for it. He doesn’t know how to move on from this point.
I would not be surprised if he entertained suicidal thoughts of his own. but he has a few anchors that would help him through this, if he is bold enough to use them.
Lucy is a world away for all we know, and she may not return for a while. That part of it will not be easily resolved. But what he chooses to do now and how he will deal with his emotions and mistakes internally will determine what kind of man he will become.
Will he continue to deflect? Will he take the weight of the world on his shoulders? Or will he find the balance between taking responsibility for his actions, while maintaining his own self respect?
I sincerely hope it’s the last one.
Meridian December 14, 2013, 2:28 AM EST.
You read it in Takei voice, admit it.
Caroline December 14, 2013, 3:19 AM EST.
Ohhh Myyyy…oh mymymy…this could get…oh my…
George Takei December 14, 2013, 4:23 AM EST.
@Meridian: That was sublime, u captured every single feeling that could be racing through his head. I do know that he feels like crap, but the way u explained it is defenitly whats going on, and that was the point of my question, which thoughts R going through his head right now, and the one i even left out is he is questioning his character…who he is. He always reveled that he was a good guy and now is finnaly comming to terms with the fact that he was a dick and did something realy horrible by accedent. He was fighting for his independece with lucy. Lucy was always dependent on him. By doing so broke her. He thought it woud get her to stop playing games but realy realy broke her, and he thought it was the only way to get it all to stop. She would mind F him and he wanted it to end. Also at the end of the day they were realy friggin close, and she wasn’t all bad and had alot of fun with her at times. I can’t stop loving this story, because its growing with me. I don’t have the same exact opions i had when i started, and i want to know how these characters turn out because well i simply love them. Even the side storys like this are fun. People thought bittersweet was getting close to the end but i say far from it there are so many storys to enjoy. That and U can sit down with any of these character and have a good time, or feel for them….even abby….nv liked him but still. The best way i can end my thoughts on a thought is this story and these characters to me bring me back to winnie the poo. Here me out, U could sit down with any of those characters just playing a game, or figguring something out and have a good time, and that to me is what makes bittersweet so great. A story just on paulo, or daisy having a bad hair day is fun. I love these guys
JustSomeCritic December 14, 2013, 5:05 AM EST.
I hope to god this ends in yaoi.
Zott December 14, 2013, 5:44 AM EST.
…and then they ****ed
Bleh December 14, 2013, 6:13 AM EST.
WeissFox December 14, 2013, 8:37 AM EST.
Mike deserves to see the wreck of a person his harmful actions and words has turned Lucy into.
He’s still in need of a reality check, but at least even he acknowledges he direly needs it now.
Still a longshot from making up for the things he carelessly broke into a thousand pieces in a fit fueled by blind and baseless hatred because he’s damn horrible at realizing the impact he can make on other people around him.
Max December 14, 2013, 9:24 AM EST.
… and then they banged.
7 December 14, 2013, 9:31 AM EST.
Why are you trying to out-whine Lucy?
Seriously, you’re acting like a brooding teenager, and when people apply logic and reasoning to you, you go in a “THIS WORLD DOESN’T UNDERSTAND ME!!” fit without even explaining why.
If i could, I would squeeze you like a sponge and bottle up the baseless despair and put it up for sale.
404 December 14, 2013, 9:46 AM EST.
Read the disclaimer above the comment box. There’s a reason alot of comments got deleted yesterday. Actually i think you didn’t see the other comments yesterday before suitcase started deleting them. It looks like it’s only me talking but there were a few of us talking and alot of them got deleted because i guess Suitcase considered them off topic.
(also sidenote @Suitcase, if you’re going to delete, delete all messages relevant to that convo because it really does mess up the context or just looks like someone is ranting at the air if you don’t. i was going to make a joke because the way you deleted made it look like Alex was talking about me and L&S.)
buchanen_neket December 14, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
I don’t know why but, this page make me think of this song.
A guy December 14, 2013, 2:30 PM EST.
that final part, there hasn’t been people speculating that one. it’s more been some people occasionally bringing it up because of some wild tangent i went on and theorized the only possibility i could see for a break up between MxS is if he felt that way (blames sandy for what he did).
As for why he’s crying, call me whacky but i think the page before he strolls off of him recalling the harsher parts of what he said shows why he’s crying. Now whether or not he feels bad for all of it is still up in the air (god i hope not, because SOME of it Lucy did need to hear. Not all of it before someone jumps down my throat) but it seems he does feel bad for the harsher things he said. Thus why he’s crying, he’s crying because he let his anger get the better of him and hurt someone he may not have intended to hurt (well not to that level).
buchanen_neket December 14, 2013, 2:56 PM EST.
kernymi December 14, 2013, 4:48 PM EST.
@buchay I heard that there were atleast 2 years left of BCB .
@Lickit and @Buchay hurray. I knew the christmass spirit (or whatever you believe in) would catch you. Glad that you have (temporarily I think) accepted each other (don’t know how to put it in English) .
@Meridian It’s true he’ll have to face the darkness. Though I think he’ll not have to face it alone. I think Paulo will help him .
Edit: @Buchay I think the other ”only” reason of why Mike would break up with Sandy would be not blaming her but thinking that he doesn’t deserve her. That he deserves to be alone and sad.
Jonas97face December 14, 2013, 5:45 PM EST.
Also a thought occurs and this is towards the suicide attempt theory. Now this is just a theory, but what if she had switched to self harm, like cutting herself and accidentally sliced a vein or major artery. I mean we’ve all come to the conclusion that it was an suicide attempt but we haven’t considered that if it was intentional or accidental.
buchanen_neket December 14, 2013, 6:29 PM EST.
So you think it’s a brilliant idea to tell a fragile person who’s already trying to fix their **** that they should fix it?
I’m pretty damn sure that’ll just ruin their self esteem even more and then spoil their effort.
Mike should’ve kept his hateful pietrap shut like a clam the moment Lucy were busy getting her bad behavior ironed out, and if anything complimenting her on the positive change instead.
The moment she became aware of that she were being a **** and that she had to do something about it, the moment he should’ve encouraged the positive instead of critisizing the negative.
Don’t foxus on negative things around a person with low self esteem if they’re already aware of those negative things and are trying their hardest to keep them in check.
Fizzle December 14, 2013, 6:39 PM EST.
ITS WHAT YOU’VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
THEY’RE DRUNK AND PENT UP
IT’S TIME FOR SEXY PIZZA YAOI
Gundere December 14, 2013, 6:45 PM EST.
Sugar coating the subject doesn’t work either, that’s why Lucy became as bad as she was because her “friends” ***** footed or out right danced around the subject. I believe the same tactics and methodologies that are used for alcoholics and addicts can be applied here. The person has to admit to themselves that they have a problem before change can begin. If the person doesn’t acknowledge the issue you’re bound to have a backfire as the person could relapse or exchange vices. In this case we had a vice exchange, without Mike to take her aggression on she turned to self harm, whether that be the suicide attempt or cutting herself (in the theory i presented).
If it’s approached correctly (not yelling or saying harsh things) then it can work even on a person with self esteem issues. The problem here is half of how Mike approached the issue, telling her some of that stuff was good. It’s the same idea as an intervention. However the other 50% where he went into rage mode was counter productive. If we took out that rage mode stuff then we probably have seen a genuine change (instead of an adaptive behavior change) as it would force Lucy to acknowledge within herself the issues going on between the two of them.
buchanen_neket December 14, 2013, 7:54 PM EST.
Off topic, But didn’t mike throw himself into advance classes and studys to be like Sandy? or to look better for her?
Eko December 14, 2013, 8:19 PM EST.
You mean in theory or canonically. Canonically there’s been nothing to say he did it for Sandy, truth is Mike is just a pretty book smart dude. Theoretically, it depends on if he plans to go to college, taking AP courses actually is usually strongly advised of students who will proceed to college as it makes it easier on the student when they enter. So no, i don’t think in either case he did it for Sandy, unless the only reason he plans to enter college is for her, but that falls into theory as alot of kids are taught to go to college to be successful so it could have been planned even before he got romantic with Sandy.
buchanen_neket December 14, 2013, 8:26 PM EST.
I just found this comic yesterday, and read through the whole archives. A great one (Though the comments can get a little heated ) Honestly I sympathize with all the characters, having been in a few of those spots myself >.> I do hope everything gets worked out and everyone gets friendly again. Nothing like what it once was as that’s not much an option now, but back to being friends and being more adaptable
Insomnia December 14, 2013, 9:17 PM EST.
Those feelings ;-; the moment when you want to say too much but you cant say nothing
eagle December 15, 2013, 2:19 AM EST.
@Buchay When you talk about Lucy cutting herself do you mean this?
Listen to the music
Mike wasn’t really getting into advanced classes (if you don’t count one as many). He only got into advanced English (that is only one advanced class). He was also really got at swimming. He didn’t really do well in math where Lucy was really strong.
Jonas97face December 15, 2013, 4:37 AM EST.
@Buchay When you talk about Lucy cutting herself do you mean this?
Listen to the music
Mike wasn’t really getting into advanced classes (if you don’t count one as many). He only got into advanced English (that is only one advanced class). He was also really got at swimming. He didn’t really do well in math where Lucy was really strong.
Jonas97face December 15, 2013, 4:39 AM EST.
Sorry for the double post
My computer is currently revolting against me
I think i remember Mike himself recently implying very hard at several occasions that he only stayed by lucy and helped her to get praised from his friends for doing it and so he can present himself as someone “good” .
Tails December 15, 2013, 6:09 AM EST.
>inb4 mikeXpaulo smexytimes
BubbleBerry December 15, 2013, 8:16 AM EST.
Yes and no, the fanart shows her trying to commit suicide by slitting her wrist (intentional). What i’m referring to is, how do i explain this, have you watched Saw 3? What Amanda was doing, the whole scene where she put a knife to her thigh and cut it. That’s the type of cutting i’m talking about. Of course not sure how good she is at Bio and anatomy so (and this happens often with first time cutters) she cut in the wrong place or too deep and ended up bleeding out (an accident that looks like suicide).
can you site pages? Because to the best of my memory i haven’t seen anything like that.
buchanen_neket December 15, 2013, 8:52 AM EST.
@buchanen_neket: I think in December he stated something along the lines of ‘as long as I played nice with you, they’d play nice with me’ to Lucy. And I think in Beautiful, when Sandy told him to try to help her, he was going to try to play ‘firm and somewhat nice’ to make Sandy happy, even though he was clearly fed up, so he would ‘appear good’ to Sandy for trying,.
Those are the only occasions I can think of that seem related to what Tails said, even though they don’t fit exactly with what was said as I don’t remember Mike himself implying that he was just trying to ‘appear good’.
Moogle December 15, 2013, 9:20 AM EST.
(First line): runs counter to his actual line (paraphrased) of the group going with him and leaving her alone because they don’t know the real her. Because basically from what you said that means that he only considered the group Lucy’s friends and he was just a tag along that had to play nice. But that runs counter to his line of them leaving her behind because that means he thought of them as his friends. So i have to question the actual wording and existence of the line you paraphrased.
“when Sandy told him to try to help her, he was going to try to play ‘firm and somewhat nice’ to make Sandy happy, even though he was clearly fed up, so he would ‘appear good’ to Sandy for trying,.”
Not really, that’s speculatory. Because that’s based on motivation of why he was going to apologize to Lucy towards the end of that chapter. For all we knew he could have already planned to but needed a kick in the rear to do it.
buchanen_neket December 15, 2013, 9:29 AM EST.
I fully believe that Mike would have never apologized if Sandy had not been disappointed in him over it, jut as you choose to believe that Lucy never changed (even though the comic says otherwise). Neither of us have any proof for it (Though I only have lack of proof not seeing what would have happened if Sandy stayed quiet), but we both have an opinion.
Yours is based on the idea that Lucy sucks and never tried before the trip, therefore she won’t ever try after. #People never change.
Mine is based on the idea that Mike is only ever motivated by a Sandy these days and doesn’t want her to know who he really is. #Desperate Pig trying to hide the mud
Lickit&stickit December 15, 2013, 2:54 PM EST.
@Lickit well I must say that I believe that Lucy will try to change but I don’t think that Mike would hide who he is from Sandy. Right now I think he just wants the whole world to know so that he can go die in a corner (I hope not). But that is just my idea.
Since we are (or atleast I am) talking about who we really are, then I don’t think Sandy nor Mike really know each other that well since they practically never meet. They only talk on the phone and the last time Mike ever saw her was in the chapter ”Just beautiful”. I have already talked about long distance relationship not lasting (I gave an example of my long distanced relationship) but I am not however saying that its impossible
Jonas97face December 15, 2013, 3:07 PM EST.
I’m in a long distance. It lasts because we had ample time together before we started it.
I don’t think you can take a meeting as children as ample time to know each other. I was a brat as a kid, and I guarantee is I was trying to do long distance over the years of my time changing from teen to young adult, we wouldn’t be together. We were different people then. And that’s okay. We were growing up.
Mike and Sandy know nothing about each other. They aren’t children anymore.
Lickit&stickit December 15, 2013, 3:17 PM EST.
To end the argument over whether Mike apologized cause he meant it or just to please Sandy here’s a link to a past page where Sandy says, “Just promise me you’ll talk to her[Lucy] okay?” to which, Mike responds, “Alright. But only for you.” http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c71/p20.html
It’s a little hard to argue with the fact that he’s saying here he’ll only talk to Lucy cause Sandy wants him too, since that’s what he said verbatim.
Fox December 15, 2013, 3:18 PM EST.
Also @neket, here is the page with the line Moogle was referencing about Mike playing nice with Lucy.
Fox December 15, 2013, 3:41 PM EST.
@Fox Mike said that he would do it for Sandy yes but when he first tried he was stopped by Lucy’s pets. During the play however he saw Lucy in a different light and got a flashback. Then he actually said sorry (in a lame way though but Mike has been known for being lame at saying sorry).
Jonas97face December 15, 2013, 3:58 PM EST.
@jonas, I will concede what happened at the play made a difference but I still think Sandy’s telling him to was a huge part of why he was willing to do it.
Fox December 15, 2013, 4:09 PM EST.
It’s no surprise that Mike is the kind of person who’s a wimp.
He barely even has his own opinion on things and easily is influenced by others.
Especially his “oh so perfect” Sandy.
And when he finally shows some backbone, he just screws things up further.
Stroganoff December 15, 2013, 6:38 PM EST.
are they gonna ****
butt December 15, 2013, 8:06 PM EST.
Oh boy, i gotta stop gaming it up while waiting for comments.
I never said she didn’t change, only that the change was more superficial in nature to keep Mike around. That inside she still the same emo angry kid she always was.
I don’t know about that. Remember Mike was trying to play off Lucy as anything more than a friend. Remember when they first started talking about her Mike freaked out thinking Lucy had done something to make Sandy think he was romantic with her. So the reason he said “only for you” was for bravado effect and a pretty lame attempt to be smooth.
As for the second link, i never said it didn’t exist (i actually very vaguely remember the line a bit). I should have clarified this, existence not of if it exists but where and how it exists. In otherwords context because otherwise it contradicts Mike saying that all the group would join him. Him saying that means he thought of them as HIS friends and only with lucy for her outside. However the other line doesn’t make any sense then because that means he believes they aren’t his friends.
I’ll have to look at that line and it’s context before i can say for sure what he was talking about (gimme a bit on that because my net is really slow right now). Also if this was while he was raging because i’ve pretty much chalked up anything he said while raging as him just mindlessly shooting his mouth off because he was angry.
Okay, i see it now, in context though it isn’t what is being implied. What he said basically means “i was only nice to you so they would stop giving me crap, as long as i was nice to you they left me alone”. His line a couple panels later sells it, he was just avoiding drama.
buchanen_neket December 15, 2013, 8:23 PM EST.
Hahaha I love this from you.
“I never said she didn’t change, only that the change was more superficial in nature to keep Mike around. That inside she still the same emo angry kid she always was.”
And I Quote: I never said she didn’t change! Only deep down she didn’t change. #People never change.
You have to admit, buchy, that’s a hilariously flawed sentence.
Right on with the reference. I swore there was a reason why I thought it was Sandy’s pushing that got him to even consider it.
It’s reinforced in that chapter when he does NOT REALLY apologize to Lucy. It’s literally back-handed. http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c74/p36.html
“I shouldn’t have yelled at you like that. It’s not like everything is okay. But we can start over.”
Can someone explain to me how you start over without actually starting over. ALSO. He never did actually say the words, “I am sorry.” He just admits that yelling was a bad idea. Fact of the matter, he isn’t sorry. At least not unless these chapters have him say so. It’s debate-ably implied that he might be sorry, but all we’ve seen him do is swear up and down that he was the real victim and Lucy deserved it. He needs to properly apologize to Lucy. Not half-*** and say “Well really I won’t forgive you, and I just shouldn’t have screamed that.”
I don’t care about his inner feelings. His actions say more than just thinking it.
Lickit&stickit December 15, 2013, 9:43 PM EST.
Ummmmm, nooooo. This is what you said.
“jut as you choose to believe that Lucy never changed (even though the comic says otherwise).”
Here’s some logic for ya oh great wise ***. A person can change externally but not internally. But for genuine sincere change the change MUST be internal, otherwise the change is superficial and bound to fall apart as the internal is the basis for the person
Also i got to point out the flaw in YOUR logic in your reply to Fox. The fact is that it was the best Lucy was going to get, Mike was apologetic for being harsh, but not for everything and why should he be. Lucy was a bitch. As i’ve stated multiple times, Mike did have the right to tell her off for the hell she put him through because she really wasn’t the pinnacle of friendship. Just not in the manner he did towards the end of his rant.
buchanen_neket December 15, 2013, 10:05 PM EST.
Life Lessons from Mike:
Obviously. Don’t ever be sorry. Don’t ever sincerely apologize when you are an ***. Because we all have a right to treat the people we willingly surround ourselves with like ****, even when we don’t tell them in the first place that we didn’t approve of their behavior.
And the kicker is regardless of their efforts, we MUST believe that they aren’t actually trying to be better. Deep down, they can never change. Always assume it’s not genuine. (Although, MAN. She hasn’t said anything remotely mean all year to me, in fact, it’s like she’s disappeared.)
Doesn’t matter. Assume the ********* face. GRR. VERBAL ASSAULT POSITION AT THE READY!!!
Lickit&stickit December 15, 2013, 10:09 PM EST.
Funny, because now i can reference the reference now. By that i mean the page that was brought up about Mike’s line about only being nice to her so the others will be nice to him. This could, maybe, possibly, considerably be an indicator to his perception of his world. In other words he couldn’t tell her off because their “friends” would have started drama and giving him crap.
As for your kicker, i was actually on the fence on whether her change was genuine bettering or just a front until recent events (still was iffy on how a stranger could talk to her and suddenly she 180’s, It was way too convenient and i doubt Taeshi came down with lazy writer syndrome). Those events tell me that it was external and fell apart when it didn’t work. If it had been internal then she wouldn’t have “self destructed” when Mike told her he didn’t want to be her friend anymore. It was a shallow change born out of fear.
It would make sense too in the timing of the “change” in that just before that Mike nearly died. She was fear stricken and when the beach dude talked to her and more or less told her the ramifications of her actions it caused her to adapt her behavior. But at the same time she didn’t truly acknowledge the problems in the relationship with Mike, namely the things that were effecting Mike.
Going back to one of my earlier point about how the methodology of intervening towards an alcoholic. The reason why you must make someone like that acknowledge the problem is that if they don’t they’ll basically pretend. They’ll act better and behave differently long enough to get everyone off their ***, as soon as they are out of the limelight they relapse.
In Lucy’s case the fact that she tried to self harm tells me internally she was still an angry person she hadn’t come to terms with her issues. She turned that anger on herself.
buchanen_neket December 15, 2013, 10:30 PM EST.
You are comparing an addiction with basic behavior changes.
Of COURSE an alcoholic would relapse. It’s an addiction. Not knowing you are hurting someone is not. Your point is irrelevant.
And I think Lucy self-harm because she’s been feeling alone for a long time and the person she loved, Mike, confirmed all her fears by lying and saying she was right.
Lickit&stickit December 15, 2013, 11:01 PM EST.
I think he’s a good person if he understands what he did was wrong
People change from experiences
Kokanum December 16, 2013, 12:19 AM EST.
(****, i chose a ****** time to start downing beer)
Of course i’m comparing, it’s all psychological. The alcoholic’s admission sets the state of mind. An individual that’s causing problems (like Lucy) must acknowledge they are part of the problem otherwise they will only change because they believe if they act differently it will please another. However this change is often superficial and one little thing going wrong can push them into their old habits and behaviors. In this case Lucy changed to keep Mike, when it was too little too late, she resorted to harming herself. If she had changed internally she would have only wished him his happiness (if we are to believe her change) and moved on. Maybe even rekindle after a time. However because the change was superficial when she saw it failing she became desperate putting up a front of happiness when Mike got the text in December.
Hell no one knows Lucy as well as Mike, It could very well be possible that he saw through her putting on a happy face as her covering **** up.
And was it really lying, we’ve already had one of her supposed friends confirm that she thought Lucy was basically a bully. Hell the only one who opposed her was Paulo who we’ve already confirmed has a ***** for Lucy. No neutrals like Sue or Abbey, opposing that statement (especially Sue, she’s vocal as hell, why didn’t she speak up if Mike’s full of crap). Doesn’t bode well for how others saw Lucy, does it?
buchanen_neket December 16, 2013, 12:45 AM EST.
I smell some yaoi action
Yokai December 16, 2013, 1:22 AM EST.
@Buchay I don’t understand what alchahol has to do with Lucy but that may just be that I don’t understand all of the English. But I must say that Mike should have apologized to Lucy fully. Not just say that he still had the rights to tell he off (like you have always said. That Mike had full rights to tell her off, just he didn’t handle the situation right). I mean yes he had rights to tell her off but after having handled it badly and screwed it up than he did owe Lucy a sincere apology (I hope I wrote it right). Since he had already caused damage (words can cause damage) he did owe her a apology. Like I’ve already stated, Mike sucks at apologizing .
Yeah so there’s that. I look forward for upload. I hope I won’t miss it since I have to go play on a music concert and I’m freaking out that I will fail miserably. Really stressed out and my hands are shaking
Jonas97face December 16, 2013, 4:17 AM EST.
Only Pablos bubbles pop O: lovely situational irrony
FluffehButt December 16, 2013, 10:03 AM EST.
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