Take Heart — Page 19
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Veronica’s Commentary

let's all be friends this friendship day

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Comment ID #276310

God Jazz is a good friend.
Jazz MVP of BCB

Pikahu March 3, 2014, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #276311

GOD I HATE PAULO !

I mean seriously What The **** is wrong with him ?

A guy March 3, 2014, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #276312

I love that Jazz is cool enough to do this for him even after all that happend

Benjamin March 3, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276314

Lol Paulo.

And Jazz did it :D

Jonas97face March 3, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276315

6TH

carly March 3, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276316

Paulo xD

And on the FAQ page I just realized Daisy has the same birthday as my uncle o_o

MoonlightAroraa March 3, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276318

Actually, I think Jazz’s doing this for Daisy and Abbey, not for Paulo.

Nikary March 3, 2014, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #276319

@MoonlightAroraa
Blur has the same birthday as me. Ya-ay.

Nikary March 3, 2014, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #276320

this is going to flop, most likely for reasons that we didnt come up with! i mean, what happens if Abbey gets Daisy a friendship flower? or Rachel gets one for Paulo?

Fiver March 3, 2014, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #276321

I LOVE YOU GUYS! Bring it in for a group hug!

Blue fox March 3, 2014, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #276322

“Tall, stupid an’ ****.” - Paulo 2014

Com.Nyan March 3, 2014, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #276323

Paulo, why are you jealous of Oreo cat? You’ll throw Rachel away like a broken sex doll as soon as Lucy renters the picture.
Make up your mind and stop having double standards.

I love Abbey and daisy together but I really hope this chapter ends with them being friends, at least at the moment until they’re more grown up and settled

Igor March 3, 2014, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #276324

Paulo’s face in the last panel XD

Steak Inc March 3, 2014, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #276325

@Fiver Good point.

Keyblade Dragon March 3, 2014, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #276326

That girl sitting next to Jazz reminds me of Panini from Chowder XD

Blaze March 3, 2014, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #276327

By the way Paulo is acting….I don’t want Rachel and him to get together unless he gets his act straight.

Daisy….stop encouraging him. I know you guys are in this together.

They are both insecure.

in other news: March the month of friendship XD

Lily March 3, 2014, 1:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #276328

Jazz is a good friend, but will this stunt pull off?

Anyway, Paulo, dude, chill man. You may be jealous but is Rachel serious about being in a relationship?

Keyblade Dragon March 3, 2014, 1:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #276329

PAULOOOOOOO STOP GETTING DISTRACTEDDDDDDDDDD
YOU WILL REGRET IT WHEN LUCY WILL BE BACK, HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPIDDDDDD

*cries*

boh... March 3, 2014, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276330

This is where Daisy’s plan falls into the “bad idea” box. Any friend who gives out sensible advise would tell Paulo to stop being a passive aggressive wimp and just go up and tell Rachel how he feels. Rachel would probably react only positively to that!

Daisy’s side is different. I honestly think Abbey is a lost cause until she’s completely willing to ignore her feelings for Mike. Flowers are sweet, but also not a solution. Maybe a good sign to show that she really does care for him in spite of her feelings, though, and that she’s willing to work to change that. But again, she *could* just tell him that herself.

Why do kids gotta act like stupid kids, amirite?

Ravako March 3, 2014, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276331

I spell trouble a-brewin’…

Gabba March 3, 2014, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #276332

Ironically, this week is actually “CARE WEEK”. Such great friends we have right here. :D

Twiggy March 3, 2014, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #276333

Yeah Paulo totally “doesn’t” feel anything for Rachel…yeah OK.

starfighter105 March 3, 2014, 1:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #276334

Cool, you actually considered it, Jazzy. But now what? What is supposed to be Step 2 you guys? Also, I really hope Paulo and Rachael don’t end up together. That will only end in disaster in the long run when Lucy comes back.

I mean, IF she comes back. *snicker snicker*

Gate-senpai March 3, 2014, 1:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #276335

Does anyone else notice that the girl sitting next to Jasmine doesn’t look like either a dog or a cat? It almost looks like she has curled bunny ears? What is she?

Umber March 3, 2014, 1:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #276336

AbbeyxBara Cat would be an interesting turnout.

Zott March 3, 2014, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #276337

yeah i KNEW she would help him :P
also, i was right that she didn´t get in trouble for it, the teacher is awesome :D
And honestly? I think Paulos jealousness is kinda cute :3

Tails March 3, 2014, 1:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #276338

Is that a bunny beside jaz?
Is that a bunny in BCB? :O

G.A. March 3, 2014, 1:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #276339

I have a feeling that Abbey is going to take this really badly. He just broke up with his girlfriend because she cares a lot about Mike and he doesn’t think she really cares about him in comparison, and her first course of action is a “friendship rose”. He might see it as rubbing salt in the wound.

Erimentha March 3, 2014, 2:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276340

Let’s all agree to call black and white cat “Oreo”.

RandomPersonLOL March 3, 2014, 2:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #276341

please get my silencer gun….. -_-..

Joseph March 3, 2014, 2:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #276342

The size disparities in this universe are so intense!

Huh? March 3, 2014, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #276343

Leo March 3, 2014, 2:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #276344

@Tails
It’s not just cute, but it’s kind of pathetic too. Which is just how she likes him

HelTH March 3, 2014, 2:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #276345

I’m calling it. That guy is in no way a love interest, he’s Rachel’s best friend, because he’s actually likes men. And Paulo’s gonna yell at him and the guys just gonna respond “dude I’m gay you knucklehead.”

Insanitybreach March 3, 2014, 2:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #276346

this plan of theirs is going to sink faster than the USS Arizona….. D: D: D:

SeaRivers March 3, 2014, 2:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #276347

Aww Jazz is so sweet for doing this!

@boh… thank you for incredibly accurately expressing how I’m feeling for me XD

Sambo March 3, 2014, 3:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #276348

@Insanitybreach : that…. would be hilarious 8-D

Sambo March 3, 2014, 3:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #276349

@\HelTH
yeah that is true :D

@Insanitybreach
either that or he will turn out to be her older brother xD (who is mostly out of the house )

Tails March 3, 2014, 3:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #276350

Happy Friendship Day Taeshi

Tcj333 March 3, 2014, 3:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #276351

God, I just see it

“FRIENDSHIP ROSES !! ”

Do you guys think abbey is…

OK GUYS SHITSTORM INCOMING ! :love:

A guy March 3, 2014, 3:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #276352

@Leo

I thought the exact same thing! XD

Bluesky March 3, 2014, 3:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #276353

@A-Guy

Geez, I’m not looking forward to it.
Especially if she gives him a friendship flower.
Maybe Abbey will be mature and not take it as her saying I only want to be your friend.
Praying that the biggest storm of all crap storms does not ensue! :unsure:

Riiah March 3, 2014, 3:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #276354

the ONLY thing I got from this page is “OMG THOSE EARS, WHAT IS SHE?!” D;
Taeshi please!!!! ;c

hngggggg March 3, 2014, 3:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #276355

…what the hell is that bunny thing?

It’s… it’s STARING INTO MY SOUL.

MAKE IT GO AWAY.

Pax March 3, 2014, 3:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #276356

Guys. Taeshi has stated on her spring that mr Oreo Cat’s name is Matt.
Matt is canon.
Not Oreo.
(but yeha call him whatever you want who am I to say anything)
(but his official name is still Matt fyi)

Intrigue March 3, 2014, 4:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #276357

DAMN. I didn’t even know it was possible to stretch your mouth that far. XD … holy fudge nuggets. Am I the only one that saw the Siamese cat’s leg??

The Scarlet Tailed Fox March 3, 2014, 4:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #276358

Stop it Paulo! Stop it you son of a gun!

Todd March 3, 2014, 4:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #276359

Lol, Paulo really hates that guy xD

SplatterCandy March 3, 2014, 4:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276361

This chapter will end in Abbey x Matt (oreo / dark tall and handsome). I can feel it.

7 March 3, 2014, 4:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #276362

PAULO STAHP.
STAHP NOW
Don’t get yourself stuck in this! You know it’s just going to end horribly (because everything in this comic gets much worse before it gets any better).

peters March 3, 2014, 4:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #276363

Did we ever establish that those two (Rachel and “Oreo”) have something, or is this leading to the hilarious conclusion that he’s, like, her gay cousin or something?

Sixcolors March 3, 2014, 4:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #276364

@sixcolors
I don’t believe there had been any confirmation, but I may be wrong. And Rach also has the black-white-black thing going on with her ears, so it could be possible that they are related and she’s just (very) excited to see him.
It’s highly likely that Paulo is making the whole relationship up in his head, along with Daisy’s help.

peters March 3, 2014, 4:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #276365

For some reason I can see this making things worse between abbey and daisy… Simply because he wants her to love him, not friend zone him…

that girl March 3, 2014, 5:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #276366

That girl sitting next to Jasmine in the first panel is super adorable. New favorite background character.

Turbocharge March 3, 2014, 5:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #276367

Wow, ****-fest on the last page. It was so irrationally long with random outbursts of flat out illogical emotions about everything. I’m not even going to go digging into that one. XD

As for today I second those that are pointing out that Paulo doesn’t have a right to be so up and jealous given his history with Rachel.

While the two supporting each other is cute, I’m questioning whether it can even work.

Lickit&stickit March 3, 2014, 6:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #276368

@peters
I dont think its possible for Matt and Racheal to be related by blood for simple fact that hes a cat and shes a dog. And if we learned anything from that alternate universe where David is with Sue and Paulo is with Racheal is that they cant reproduce due to being different species.

Umber March 3, 2014, 6:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #276369

I would like to give a nod to a certain @Mr. E. If you see this, buddy, I was laughing just as hard at those two around Jupiter.

About as much sense as Paulo has on this page. Angry at his rival when really what he is doing is not how happy couples work.

I knew he’d get jealous, but he’s being an ******* to that other guy. He needs to realize his determination to keep him and Rachel this way is what did it. Silly cast and their silly self-inflicted problems.

Lickit&stickit March 3, 2014, 6:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #276370

@Insanitybreach what happens if hes gay and asking Rachel about Paulo? (crack idea but seriously, anyones guess is golden atm)

Fiver March 3, 2014, 6:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #276371

@Umber
It’s a cartoon about cats/dogs/whatever other animals. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
And maybe not a blood relation.

peters March 3, 2014, 7:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #276372

Okay Paolo. If you’re going to go to these lengths to keep Rachel to yourself, maybe you should go ahead and ask Rachel to have an official relationship as opposed to telling everyone that you have a friends with benefits arrangement. Just a thought.
Though considering how **** poor he’s handled his troubles with girls before, I’m not surprised he’s going this roundabout route with her.

But here’s what we haven’t considered - what if Rachel doesn’t want a relationship with him?
Relationships are a two-way street. For them to work or even exist, both parties (or multiples, if polyamory is your thing) have to want to have one. Paolo has maturity issues, and according to Jessica, Rachel really enjoys her flings. And I’m not so certain that Rachel would just agree to enter a relationship with him, because it’d be a gender-flipped version of what happened with Abbey and Daisy. I get what Paolo wants - regardless of how poorly he’s handling it. But what does Rachel want?

ThirteenDarkDoves March 3, 2014, 7:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #276373

Jazz, your lie face is showing :D

Silas March 3, 2014, 8:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #276374

Wait, are Matt and Jasmine related? They look like they’re related. Come to think of it, Sandy and Augustus both have that same color scheme too. Maybe they’re all cousins? :O ;) :D

Patrick March 3, 2014, 8:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #276375

Friendship IS magic after all Jasmine. Look how convinced that teacher is.
I swear I’ve seen those background characters before too.

Masket March 3, 2014, 8:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #276376

ah i just love how certain people still think they know it better althrough their way of thinking just has been completely deconstructed a page ago xD
It makes me laugh hard.

Tails March 3, 2014, 8:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #276377

XDDD TAll, stupid n s h i t

crazycrud March 3, 2014, 8:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #276378

This entire chapter is just everybody jumping to conclusions, except for Abby.

lov/hate/hurt March 3, 2014, 9:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276379

This is why I have been against Paulo throughout the entire series. He is a complete coward when it comes to things that matter, he is always talking about how he will wait for Lucy, but is getting jealous over another girl’s friend. He has always carried at least two standered and has probably many more.He has aalmost always rushed into thing without thinking everything through, and has almost never taken responsibility for anything that was his fault.
I will admit that he has had a few moment where he had been supportive and caring, but they have not been enough to counteract his behavior throughout the series.

Also this will totally backfire in some way shape or form.

That Guy March 3, 2014, 9:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #276380

i have this feeling tht paulos “rival” is gonna be like, rachels cousin

Athanes March 3, 2014, 10:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #276381

@Tails, logic debunking has nothing to do with vomited emotional responses and personal attacks that aren’t even coherently placed together. :P

Don’t pretend to be cute by not naming me, it’s not like you don’t always direct your petty posts in this manner at me. :/ If you are going to say anything, at least have the guts to tag it at me.

I honestly saw nothing debatable in the past page. It literally comes down to stark differences in human perception.

You are an idealist. I am not. This actually has a lot to do with a human nature debate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature

Are people naturally good, or evil? Your obligation idea assumes the naturally good position.

I prefer a more realistic approach. If people were naturally good, then the world might be an ideal little society. But it’s not.

Lickit&stickit March 3, 2014, 11:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276382

yes, paulo, you ARE tall, stupid, and ****.

how wonderful that you finally realize that… now kill yourself. :/

also, good question… why ARE you here, paulo?

why… are… you… here?

Thanatos March 3, 2014, 11:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #276383

Fun fact: In relation to the theory in the comic, you can have all sorts of fun bantering over the different morals of the characters and whether or not this head canon story might fit a Hobbes, Rosseau, or many other models for human nature.

I’m not getting into that. But we all have different perceptions on whether or not people are naturally good or naturally evil. And that seems to be where the discussion head yesterday. We’ll never agree on that.

We can agree on other comic aspects though. Such as we can all recognize that Paulo is being rude over an issue he is responsible for. Or that their attempts might be in vain and only end up as friendzoned friendship roses. And that’s what I think Paulo and Daisy need for awhile to get over their main interests.

Lickit&stickit March 3, 2014, 11:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #276384

Nice save Jazz.
Oh look, it’s her friend from that, “get tested,” comedy moment way back when Paulo wasn’t eating his words.

Hawz March 3, 2014, 11:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #276385

The curly-eared girl sitting next to Jasmine is soooo cute :love:

Jupi March 4, 2014, 12:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #276386

(yes I am mahara from last night, I was debating whether to use my name or not)
I love how lickit calls me out on “incoherent emotional responces” while he forgets the ‘people don’t have any obligations to anyone’ line thats so shockingly wrong I can’t give a proper response other than “thats just flat out wrong.” And by the way, Hobbs argues the means of society, as spiteful as he was due to a very tragic life, he didn’t see all humans as evil.
But I digress, you call us emotional while calling paulo selfish, while having zero evidence even when the comic is stareing in your face saying Rachael is just an afterthought of his idea, all based off your own emotional suspicion. Whether or not you have faith in Paulo is not proof, it is simply your paranoiya. Stop blaming Paulo.
Look lickit, the ENTIRE argument in the last page did not talk about human perception, at all, not once. It talked about social obligation, it talked about emotional support, and it talked a bit in psychology, which you always ended in “only therapists can do anything and no one has to care about anyone,” which is indefensible in every way. On top of that, no one has attacked you yet, let alone tails, and I haven’t insulted you once, back off.

@thanatos JESUS man….”go kill yourself” I don’ care how you feel about paulo, you need to check your words before you speak them. There is never a reason to say that to anyone, I can’t even think of saying that to the worst kinds of fictional villans like Ragou from vesperia. you have serious issues if you calling someone’s death of emotional conflicts like this.

And now the @taishi part for this page. The art work is very VERY much improved, I was one of the people not happy to see the change, but now, it looks just as good if not better, the colors are richer, fade better, and much better to look at. the stories going veyr well as well, I like the somewhat psubtle call out to paulo, the conflict thats hes trying to work for daisy while she reminds him of his own jelousy. Paulo’s immaturirty and lack of self-confidence unelss being praised is being shown here. Theres a combination of showing paulo as still a bit childish but trying his best with daisy and making her happy, which is actually pretty mature.
I’m actually a bit surprised jasmine went through with this but I’m happy to see shes being the mature and honor girl we became fans for in the first place, while still showing that childish immaturity as she tries to handle the emotional trauma shes been going through. I hope to see mroe of her in the comic so she can learn to handle those better than a monty python “run away” sketch.

Michael March 4, 2014, 12:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #276387

Wow… Everyone just loves hating on characters as soon as they show flaws, don’t they? “Paulo is being an a**hole” and “Daisy how selfish” and whatever. Honestly this really sickens me. Character shows flaws, everyone hates on them. Character virtually has no flaws, everyone hates on them. This is why people liked Paulo or Daisy better when Lucy was around, because they were more like supporting characters than main.

First let’s look at Daisy. Apparently she likes attention and is a selfish manipulative little egotistical baby with no idea how love works. Is this true? Well it rings some truth, but it is only the echoes of a story and not the whole. Yes, she likes attention. Some people like attention and some do not and everyone should be cool with it. She has low self-esteem and the energy that people give her is often positive and she loves to feed on it, often repairing the cracks which she may or may have not placed there in her fragile self-esteem. Fortunately Abbey gives this to her and she loves it. She loves being LOVED. It was revealed that her parents are more of a team in a mechanical sense, and although they might give her love, it might not be enough. She wants to feel wanted and Abbey was giving that to her. Is it wrong that she is “using” him to fill in these voids that Mike dug into her? Well it might be selfish, but it’s not intentional. She has a different love for him than she does with Mike. It was that love that let her stay to support him through therapy. It was that love made her sever the connection with Augustus; not because he was cruel but because he was cruel towards ABBEY, and she’s not mending it for Abbey’s sake (she admits that she liked the attention from Augustus in “Pillow Talk”). She loves Abbey. But it is the type of love that she harbours from Mike is what I like to call, “innocent lust.” So yes, she is a bit selfish, and could be a bit immature and a brat sometimes, but she’s young. She’ll grow.

Now Paulo… Yes, the apparent a**hole with the bad attitude and with the manwhore tendency. I’m surprised that no one is taking into account he’s kind of emotionally crippled. No matter what you’re thinking; yes, he is. The fact is that Paulo never really had a mother. The fact alone molds people differently. Some decide that they never want anyone to feel unwanted or unloved like they felt and are just rays of joy, while others can become cold and bitter, shunning the world like it shunned them. In Paulo’s case, he doesn’t know HOW to love. Think about it, his mother left, not even making an effort to contact him, and every day he can see his dad suffering with a broken heart. Now the fact that Paulo sees this and then find his DAD’S porn (just bear with me here)…That can really mess a kid up. His dad is heartbroken and is still looking at this stuff. The reason why he’s like this is simply because he never knew how to love other than sexually. The place where his mother should have taught him is immature and null, often confusing lust with love, comfort with manipulation, friends with rivals, and so on. He loved Lucy. He loved her so much that he went against his instincts and treated her with respect when she was at her weakest. He loved her so much that he never went against Mike (as a rival) because he knew she loved him (although he still pounded on Mike for being a nerd). Now he sees this “Oreo” guy and he remembers Mike, and how Mike hurt Lucy and could hurt Rachel. How happy he is with life while Paulo doesn’t know how to even FEEL. Most of all, he sees how Rachel willingly goes up to him as a friend, carefree and happy. He doesn’t know how to feel and if you noticed, he’s not even willing to “win” her back. He just wants to feel bitterness because that is the only emotion he can relate to in the moment. Also, while I’m at it. No, he did not leave Jasmine in a bad note. She left HIM in a bad note. He called it off because he respected her and wanted to be with someone else (like you know, what most of you are hating Daisy for NOT doing) and offered to be her friend again. With a misunderstanding and a bad attitude, she called him “not worth waiting for” and no longer interacted with him.

Some of these stuff I myself don’t really agree with, but please, stop with all the HATE. I wrote this to hopefully justify some points to these characters. Taeshi is fleshing out three dimensional characters with flaws and that’s what they are; FLAWS. Appreciate them and you’ll find that you’ll enjoy the story more if you can find a human aspect to these characters, and I mean REAL humans, not poorly written television shows’ characters. Please, if you want Mary-Sue characters and it just boils your blood enough for you to post something idiotic like “I HATE HIM/HER NOW” every time they display heaven-forbid flaws, please show yourself out go read some other webcomic or just don’t post pure hate.

Tylord March 4, 2014, 12:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #276388

@tylord http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01o2xtJwgk

Yes, yes, and yes. We as humans are flawed, we know this and we know we have problems, that is not to be contested. As such we care more for character we are capable of understanding and helping, people with flaws. This is why I like Jade Curtis(who has a very complex flaw) over Raine Sage, who’s near perfect. Dont get me wrong, if these were perfect people it wouldn’t be bad morally, but it be very to invest ourselves in as we have nothing to empathize with,w e empathize with flaws, its hwo we care about and share our dreams, through the things we try to understand and through our own mistakes.

I may DESPISE what mike did in December and never once defend him(which by the way taishi was a masterpiece of a scene in both writing and visual) but that doesn’t mean I immediately hated mike, or wanted to see him hurt. Yes here we see paulo get insecure, which helps us understand him, and we get lickit calling him mindlessly selfish, and thanatos asking him to die….jesus guys.

Either way, thank you Tylord for that, it was very well done, dont be afraid to make comments like that more often.

Michael March 4, 2014, 1:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #276389

So, how are the rest of you liking this comic so far?

Blank On Purpose March 4, 2014, 1:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #276390

Did Jasmine have already decided what to do or Paulo reminded her?
p.s.
@MoonlightAroraa : Well… David shares the same birthday with George Washington…

HongKat March 4, 2014, 4:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #276391

I wasn’t even talking to you Michael. I didn’t know you were on this page.

And I’m calling it an emotional response, because it was. You had nothing other than, “I think you are wrong because I’m sure there is obligation. *Insert massive paragraph rant*”

The reason I brought up perception is because that was the difference we were having. Social obligation thing is is nice idea, but doesn’t follow through in reality. Which is why I mentioned human nature theory is the same way. It really depends on personal experience to how you see people interact that shapes your view on it. I don’t see obligation as real because all I’ve ever seen is people spinning around in selfish neutrality. This doesn’t mean I hate everyone and want to never help people.

This is based on flat out numerous experiences and witnessing other peoples stories. You can differ with me, but my perception is different. It is not flat out wrong that my experiences do not line up with yours which gives a different view on social obligation. From what I’ve seen it’s a myth. You can call me flat out wrong, and by your experience you’d be right, but social obligation is an idea. NOT a fact.

You may have missed in the the back-and-forth, but I was bashing Tail’s idiotic claim that Daisy is the main reason for Abbey’s healing, to which she then claimed that Abbey had an obligation to stay with Daisy because she “saved him.” Which the first part about Abbey, as you said yesterday, was wrong in the first place.

Therapy seems to have given him coping skills. Evidenced in the election chapter. And I pointed out that for many, friend support do not solve the trauma but yes they can put a band-aid on it or distract. By and large my main claim was that the main part is due to self-healing and willingness to get professional help. People can’t force others to heal in those situations and in depression cases this is a cause of much frustration. It is largely the duty of the individual to eventually learn to cope.

Lickit&stickit March 4, 2014, 4:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #276392

As a side note, before I get a “Everyone must deal with things alone/how could you say that”

No I do not think people should be without support and be all alone while going through actual trauma. All I meant was healing is largely individual. You can have all the friend support in the world, but still not heal from that at all. Just like medicine, professional help is a boundless helper in actual coping skills past a hug and friend activity.

This gem of a misconception came from my insistence that Daisy needs to take a break and get over herself before containing dating anyone if Mike is still such the conflict to her.

To which the response was readers being convinced that Abbey is obligated to stay with Daisy to help her “heal” because she saved Abbey! (See above disagreement that she didn’t) The idea that Daisy has an unsolvable trauma with Mike that only Abbey can force changed is so ludicrous because she only needs a reality check. If we are going to compare her and pretend that idiotic denial compares to Abbey’s abusive trauma I don’t know to say to you guys.

And by in large the main issue now, is so much passed between the posts that I feel the need to re-explain why we got here, underneath all the philosophical banter. Honestly.

I also have no idea why people are assuming I hate Paulo. I haven’t really talked about him outside a few non-serious posts about his jealousy over a relationship/communication issue that he is largely responsible for.

Lickit&stickit March 4, 2014, 5:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #276393

Troll harder, @Thanatos. I wish you’d get banned or something from the comment area because your posts are always vile, in terrible taste, and add nothing of worth to discussion.

Ravako March 4, 2014, 8:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #276394

Wow, @Lickit, i have no words for this….just a few pages ago you have heavily insulted and bashed ME for bringing up that i based what i had to say on the fact that i had other expieriences than you and now you are using the exact same argument to defend YOURSELF? That is very weak.
Also, the place where you live has to be the worst place ever when everyone in there is just being selfish as hell. (That´s not meant as an insult, but more as an observation)

You can insult me all you want, it doesn´t matter to me.

“I also have no idea why people are assuming I hate Paulo. I haven’t really talked about him outside a few non-serious posts about his jealousy over a relationship/communication issue that he is largely responsible for.”

Maybe because YOU were bashing him constantly for the last 6 chapters (including the 2 intermissions) like a broken record?

@Tylord and @Michael
ALL OF THIS!
Tylord your comment was very well written and i loved reading it, because it gave me a very good new way of thinking of the characters and partly even opened my eyes in certain aspects. Thank you very much for posting it.
Michael once again, your comments are awesome and i really wish i could be as eloquent as you and Tylord. :(

Tails March 4, 2014, 8:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #276395

Interesting discussions here. I agree that people love to jump on characters the moment they see their flaws (not saying that everyone does, but many do). People jump on mike, Lucy, Daisy, Abbey, Paulo and more. I guess it’s just fun to be able to point something out. And I also think it can sometimes be fun to argue with other people (not rage over anyone, just a little harmless argument ;) ).

I don’t think @Lickit has been really talking much about Paulo. He’s been aiming more at Daisy. However I haven’t seen any hate in his comments if that is what some people think, more like just pointing out some (or many) flaws and then some angry rants when people try to disagree (it’s kinda true that you stomp down those who disagree with you, but I don’t think that is a bad thing (as long as your not hurting them) if you really believe in what you say) and then calmly explain to other people when discussion kinda get overheated (or something), unless it’s @Tails

I really love arguments, until they get overheated and turn into insults. Why do I like it? Well because I love how people somehow always manage to counter each other and it never ends. In the end no one gets the better of the other. That is what I love (and I also find it really amusing/funny) :P.

Where could @buchey be? :(

Jonas97face March 4, 2014, 8:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #276396

And finally, @Taeshi sorry for all this mess :( You are awesome! :3

Tails March 4, 2014, 9:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #276398

@Lickit&stickit
I have heard several people disagree with you and you persist in what you say. That’s nice, but how do you know that you are right when there are like four to five people that disagree and go out of their way to create these long posts? Anyway, Abbey and Daisy spent like over 9 months together and we know there are people who spend less time together so why wouldn’t their relationship have more quality over time?
What about how you say that noone is obligated to do anything in particular to anyone. I mean that’s like saying you don’t have to get along with other people. Do you still not care about other people?

HelTH March 4, 2014, 9:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #276399

I bet we find out that Rachs friend is gay :P whoops Paulo

Kitmit March 4, 2014, 10:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #276400

I thoughtPaulo only loved Lucy?? Shouldn’t he like try to findher and go through fire and water for her? So much for true love :/

Butterbread March 4, 2014, 10:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #276401

Daisy Daisy, Focus on Abbey, it wont work if you get a crush on Paulo’s “Nemesis”!

Kila March 4, 2014, 10:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #276402

Why aren’t you going after Lucy still Paulo you *******?!

Mr. Me March 4, 2014, 11:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #276403

@HelTH

Actually, near as many people have also agreed with me over the past pages. They just weren’t as long winded about it. And I mean people can disagree with me, I’m not really personally offended. Though I do find certain posts ridiculously blind to the past events of the comic.

And Tails honestly I don’t remember my exact words on everything we’ve gone around about for the past week or so. I’m changing the game here because we’ve gone in circles. And I’m positive the underlying issue is difference in how we see people and this obligation/selfish issue. I’ve actually lived in three different countries, and multiple provinces in each of those places. Believe me its not purely down to where I live currently that is where all the ****** selfish people are. Sorry if that comes out mean or cynical, but its the truth.

By the way, bashing to me means pure uncalled for hatred. Disussing why Paulo’s actions are making him look like an *** when he swearing at over another rival in this issue that he created is also not really bashing. I actually like Paulo, but he acts like an idiot and ends up self-screwing himself most of the time.

I do apologize if I’ve been massively offending you, but you are like a martian to me with your thoughts. They make no sense with any reality I’ve encountered. To be fair, you’ve been just as snarky. Thought it was even.

Lickit&Stickit March 4, 2014, 11:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #276404

I miss Wackos Insightful comments. And Wacko ;_; And supertails! I’m buying a friendship rose for the both of them. And yes paulo is being a prik about this. Daisy has this mean face but the picture of Matt and friends is just them having fun. What’s wrong that . Paolo so jealous!

Blue fox March 4, 2014, 12:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #276405

@Lickit&Stickit
Ok i accept your apology and wanna apologize myself. I agree, we are just going in circles here. And about my thoughts being like a martian to you i think we can agree that it´s mutural. :p Let´s just shake hands and let this drama behind for now. ok? ^^

Tails March 4, 2014, 12:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #276406

And in reality, Rachel’s only doing this to get Jordan’s attention…
NOW THAT WOULD BE A TWIST

Mightyena March 4, 2014, 1:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #276407

@Lickit
My point had nothing to do with whether you were personally offended by people disagreeing with you. I don’t care whether you are or not.

Yeah, but it depends on what everyone believes about what should be done. So far the only things I’m sure all of us here agree on are what we are obliged NOT to do to other people. Like for instance not punching someone in the face even though you feel they did something wrong to you.

Like for instance in Death And The King’s Horseman or the play it was based off of, The King Is Dead, once the king dies his horseman is obliged to commit ritual suicide in order to help him to cross over. If the horseman does not then he brings much disgrace upon himself. So if enough people say you have to do something then you have to do it.

HelTH March 4, 2014, 1:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #276408

DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM OOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DDOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM

GIR March 4, 2014, 3:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #276409

This is such a good idea but for all the wrong reasons.

Blue fox March 4, 2014, 3:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #276410

Daisy’s ask like: DA HELL THIS BOY TALKIN’ ABOUT

TheScarletTailedFox March 4, 2014, 4:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #276411

@RandomPersonLOL
I may recall that someone called him ‘Felix Cat’ out of the cat food (Maybe British) product’s mascot that looks a lot like Oreo Cat. I may have imagined that but still quite a good name 8-D

BladeMaster March 4, 2014, 4:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #276413

@lickit While obligations are different over over cultures, there are many constants. One of those is obligation, -no- society in -any- time, has ever has no obligation, you saying no one has any obligations towards anyone…is not experience, its ignorance. Name me any culture that thinks you dont have to care about anyone, I promise you, you wont find anything.
And yes,I did see your argument with tails, hes RIGHT. Yes Daisy is not the only reason, but to discredit her as a very big reason,( and the only reason he even accepted her has a problem,) is downright selfish. you also stated that friends dont help anyone recover, -that- is outright BS.
And lickit, you have been bashing paulo for nothing, calling him terrible things not the least of which is manipulative, with no evidence at all. You’ve a paranoid suspicious jerk about paulo, dont try to pass that off.. Also, I have yet to see anyone agree with you, but that’s rather pointless. you havn’t offended me, you just keep saying things that just arent true, it makes me laugh how I disagreed with all but ONE thing you said in 2 pages worth of comments.

But this part is to everyone who’s bashing daisy here(and backing jasmine is earlier pages, though shes been vety mature seeing this page). Yes, Daisy is indeed being immature and desiring a romantic relationship way too much, thats true….but normal. Even I have some issues with that and im over 20. As well, abbey was right to leave her. HOWEVER, no culture I’ve ever heard of has ever found it ok to stop all interpersonal relationships because of a loss of romance. You end a romantic relationship, fine. Bar the other person malicious hurting you, that only ends the romantic, not the interpersonal relationship.
Guess what, you dump someone romantically, there still friends, the only exception is when you bring the other person harm that effects outside that relationship. An example would be Paulo not seeing Jasmine much after Jasmine called him immature and shows real disdain for him. I don’t know what people think otherwise, but even the cast here understand that much.

Let it be said, I can’t tell is Rachael is jsut fangasming over him, or sees some kind of attraction. Or maybe heres this….-hes a family member and shes happy to see him.- Just putting that one out there. Heck, she could be happy to be hearing news on lucy for all we know, another possibility. There isn’t enough evidence other than to assume Paulos being really self-conscious and using the attacks as a way to cover up.

Michael March 4, 2014, 8:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #276414

I like how this comic catches the feeling some people get with others, especially kids. By this i mean when you can’t end up with the person you truly think is ideal, however even though you can’t, you can still feel heavy personal attachments to others although you may understand it’ll only go so far. For example, Paulo liking Lucy more, but feeling close enough to Rachel to feel jealous. I’ve felt feelings like this myself all the time (although i deal with it better). It’s realistic, it shouldnt be judged as a “double standard” like some people say cause it happens. We’re all just capable of loving more than one person, but perhaps some more than others. (And even perhaps some we dont realize pauloxDaisy fans). I could totally say all the other great things about this comic, but this is what popped up on my mind while reading comments

Grey XIV March 4, 2014, 8:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #276415

@Michael

Social obligation is an ethical theory. Seriously. Stop insisting and go look it up with people who actually study that sort of thing. There isn’t any agreement on it academically because they can’t prove it. And have good studies to counter or support it.

Whether you believe in it is up to personal experience. And I don’t even need to get a culture involved to explain it. If you want a really good example, there are studies of reactions when people see a crime happening in front of a crowd the majority will do nothing. Even if the victim is still being hurt.

If social obligation worked, they’d all rush in to save the victim. But they don’t. They are selfish, and prefer self-preservation. They want someone else to do the right thing. Considering this happens in large groups of people, I’d say it’s a very good example of this myth in practice.

And honestly, look at this page. I have not claimed Paulo manipulative recently, and if I did in the past it probably had pages representing where. Also you don’t seem to get that people can be manipulative without wearing an evil mustache and hating everyone.

And you also neglect that people have the free-will to end relationships if they aren’t happy what they get out if it. Like Abbey did in the last page. Or Mike terrorizing Lucy. Whooops. There goes your social obligation again. Bummer. And no, most people are not default friends after dumping each other unless it was mutual for both people. If it wasn’t, one party either has something to lose by ending the friendship (See Mike waiting so long to talk to Lucy in fear of being alone), or wants to stay friends to hopefully win them back. Hold on a sec, like Daisy. XD

For Jazzy it wasn’t really mutual when that conversation was over. She found out last minute that her guy might have been cheating or majorly preoccupied in someone else while dating her. It was a dick move by Paulo, even if honest. And while he did the right thing, but he dragged his feet about long enough for justified fallout in their relationship. And considering this page shows Jazzy still not holding it against him, she really is mature. There goes that point too. Bam.

So if you’d kindly start reading the comic, that would be dandy.

Lickit&stickit March 4, 2014, 9:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #276416

I am sorry again @Tails, I don’t want to get in with this with you, and respect your thoughts believing it’s real. But flat out insistence that something that academics don’t agree was just too frustratingly oversimplified in that comment to ignore. I’ll try to play nice. :P

Lickit&stickit March 4, 2014, 9:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #276417

@ Mypack Out of the main four characters paulo and Daisy are the more jealous but I’m not sure which one is more jealous. Paulo seems like he is more jealous but that could just be because he is more angry with his jealousy. And angry jealousy is the worst kind. But Daisy is getting all flustered over some guy she knows nothing about as well.

Blue fox March 4, 2014, 11:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #276418

@Lickit
Yeah i originally didn´t want to hang into it again, but well, i gotta agree with Michael, based on my own expieriences (i am still friends and have a good contact with most of my exes, even due some of the partings were not on a good note)
Well, even academics can be wrong sometimes ;)
And about your example with the studies, over here we have an old phrase that goes “Never trust studies that you havn´t manipulated yourself”, which is very fitting, since i also saw several studies from different countries about that topic which were having several different outcomes and partly even contradicted each other very heavily. It really depends on the case that you are testing. Also, i really think that social obligation exists, but it doesn´t take effect in every way in society. It is there, because i have witnessed it myself. (In summer last year, we had one of the biggest floodings of history, with several states of the country were affected by it and the following amount on willingness to help and support of people that were not directly affected by it to the ones who were affected by it (not only with money, but with many other things, including to helping the people directly by guarding their houses and building emergency dams and helping to try to minimize and repairing the damage) was one of the biggest in the history of our country.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_European_floods

Tails March 4, 2014, 11:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #276419

Paulo stop, she’s a ****, just stop.

Asdf March 4, 2014, 11:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #276420

@ Tails Yes people should have at least one obligation in common. And that is to help his fellow man in desperate times. Even if they don’t like them and there is nothing to gain. This is the one obligation that all people should share. It really ****** me off when Lickit&stickit said people aren’t obligated to do anything. especially if there was nothing to gain. It’s understandable if there scum though and it only leads to bad things by helping them. And just because your a nice guy and help people doesn’t mean you have to let them walk all over you.

Blue fox March 5, 2014, 12:27 AM EST.

Comment ID #276421

@Tails and @Bluefox

But the inconsistency in those studies is really why they can’t say it exists in reality. Because at the end of the day, social obligation is an individual affair. Unless there is legal action for negligence, people are free to make their own choices on the plight of others. And it’s possible that the global population averaged together does not necessarily naturally lean towards helping or hurting.

Social obligation will always be a theory, and not reality because there is no way to ensure a positive or negative reaction. Unless you find a method to take away the freedom of choice.

Sorry to tick you off Bluefox, but you might also be getting confused about my personal view on the matter. I have said that my experiences have shown people are generally selfish and inclined to aid only for gain. This observation doesn’t reflect my personal choice of action in those situations nor does it mean I think it SHOULD be that way.

People should help others. It is the right thing to do. I just have vast personal and observational experience that they often don’t.

Lickit&stickit March 5, 2014, 1:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #276422

@LickIt&StickIt

The “studies” you are looking for is called “the Bystander Effect” if you want to get specific. Everybody else, this is very much real. I once had to call 911 while on the verge of doing CPR to an old lady that fell down a curb in front of my bus. I tried to get someone from the bus or even some bystanders but they were all more concerned with getting on the next bus to get home earlier and ignored me and the old lady.

Social obligation should be what it is; obligation. But that doesn’t mean that everyone has it engraved into their moral being.

Tylord March 5, 2014, 1:48 AM EST.

Comment ID #276423

Wow, people are really bashing each other up in here. I’m just gonna pay attention to the page.

So, Paulo is getting all jealous of Rachel possibly liking Matt, but doesn’t he know that she likes Lucy’s brother? How’s that for drama? When he finds out, I wonder what he’ll think? What will he do? Will he give up on Rachel and look for Lucy, or will he ruin any possible chance of getting information about her by punching her brother because he happens to be the object of Rachel’s affections and GOD FORBID he doesn’t reciprocate?

The art is lovely, the expressions are adorable and I love how we’re seeing more and more of the layers that make up these beautiful characters. :) Keep up the good work, Taeshi.

Zone March 5, 2014, 2:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #276424

Is that… is that a rabbit? :o

Sidnoea March 5, 2014, 2:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #276425

Just read through all of this story with Verve’s “Bittersweet Symphony”. THE SONG JUST FITS.

DylanC March 5, 2014, 3:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #276426

@ Lickit&stickit yes that’s how I see it to. I completely agree with your last two sentences or paragraphs.
Now to see if this good horrible idea of paulos dose good or bad. Hahaha watch Matt get Rachel a friend ship rose before paulo. that would burn his *** so bad! I don’t think it’s going to go well for Daisy. Abbey wants to be more then friends so giving him a friendship rose doesn’t sound like such a good idea. It could send the wrong message especially with the situation as it is. Good luck Daisy!

Blue fox March 5, 2014, 7:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #276427

Looking forward for the next page to upload. We shall hopefully see some drama :P

Maybe Daisy will grow up and just want to be friends with Abbey so that she can try fix her problem. Maybe, but probably not. I don’t think she’s ready to grow up (none of them are). I think something will go wrong. You never know what happens. @Taeshi always manages to surprise people (or at least me).

Jonas97face March 5, 2014, 8:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #276428

Social obligations means jackshit in a age where everyone are only focusing on their own personal gains.

Feel free to be optimistic, but don’t come crying when reality decides to check in and give you a brutal tour on how life really is.

Hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst is the most optimistic approach that actually makes sense, unless you want other people to treat you like a door mat.

Also Daisy should quit the whole relationship thing for a while and straighten out her emotions and feelings.
She’s both setting herself up for disappointments and hurting other people’s feelings otherwise, and that makes her selfish and foolish.

Trevor March 5, 2014, 9:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #276429

You know I just had this sudden realisation…

What The **** is Mike’s doing at the moment ? You think he might be talking to Abbey ? To Sandy ? Or to anyone else ?

Or he is all alone, maybe because he want to be alone or because he has no one to talk to ?

A guy March 5, 2014, 10:50 AM EST.

Comment ID #276430

I don’t re really care what mikes doing. I’m more concerned what Lucy is doing.

Blue fox March 5, 2014, 11:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #276431

What Mike is doing? Propably sexting with Sandy :D

Tails March 5, 2014, 11:22 AM EST.

Comment ID #276432

@ Tails in school? Has he no shame?

Blue fox March 5, 2014, 11:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #276433

@Blue fox
Nope :P

Tails March 5, 2014, 11:46 AM EST.

Comment ID #287673

just like to say points to whoever came up with tall dark and **** XD i love it

CreatureUnderTheBed October 8, 2014, 10:50 PM EST.

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