81. Take Heart, page posted 3/14/14

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Comment ID #276936

I can get to know why Mike is more popular among girls than Paulo now…
Come on, Paulo, you are supposed to help Daisy, currently no time for your own feelings…
I still believe things may go better next pages… Everything’s possible,
Abbey’s surely impressed by Paulo’s bravery. And Abbey may find what he had done because of it…
The last panel, just funny. XD (Daisy: :nope: / ;_; )

HongKat March 14, 2014, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #276937

PAULO !!!!

God damnit

A guy March 14, 2014, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #276938

Last panel
Fantastic

Cheesebake March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276939

ouch. harsh, paulo.

luvandia March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276940

Oh sheeit. It’s been thrown down.

TheHungryLlama March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276941

Oh, Paulo. So close…

Zott March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276942

Yeeeeeaaaahhh…he has point.

Jayden March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276943

Oi vey XD Although can kinda see where Paulo is coming from, last panel aside.

Kris March 14, 2014, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #276944

Pauloooooooooooooo

Zany March 14, 2014, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #276945

Wow Paulo, a little harsh, but its not a bad idea to have a dating realtionship. I think Abbey’s problem is that he wants a loving relationship instead.

Keyblade Dragon March 14, 2014, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #276946

Abbey still has every right not to accept Daisy. She just seems to want it out of selfishness. :/

Johnnaman March 14, 2014, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #276947

Fight! Fight! Fight! Kiss, kiss. Paulo would be more sentimental if he could control that temper of his :P

Lokiallen March 14, 2014, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #276948

Oh for…way to turn things into a complete 180. Why do you have to be such an apple paulo. :/

Otter guy March 14, 2014, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #276949

Bravo Paulo! :D

Tails March 14, 2014, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #276950

I’m so glad that someone has finally made Abby realise how ignorant he’s being.

sol March 14, 2014, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #276951

Another example of immaturity from Paulo.

Keyblade Dragon March 14, 2014, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #276952

errm not smart, Why shout at poor Abbey he has a point and his reasons are valid.

Kitmit March 14, 2014, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #276953

Heheheh…he’s kinda got a point. In teenager logic, primarily, but a point. :)
Truly, though,. Abbey isn’t going to get over her anymore than she’s going to get over Mike. And she’s happier with Abbey than without him. Even if she’s totally using him, it’s friendly and more or less mutual other than the L-word that so often trips these relationships up, and she needs the attention and confidence… Let her have it, please.

Scott: “Lesbian?”
Wallace: “The other L word.”
Scott: “Lesbians?”
Wallace: “Love, Scott! Love!”

modulusshift March 14, 2014, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #276954

daisy you still don’t truly love abbey do you

Landy March 14, 2014, 1:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #276955

Paulo… why? :/

Triniking March 14, 2014, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #276956

I can understand Abbey’s reluctance to be with Daisy - it’s hard to have a relationship when you know your partner might be thinking of someone else…

I do hope Abbey and Daisy get back together! It’s gonna take some time and communication for them to figure each other out.

Ryuko March 14, 2014, 1:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #276957

so the only reason why daisy wants to continue dating abbey. its because it was nice… >.> how conceited can you get.. and paulo.. that doesnt help anyone when you shout like that… and whats worse.. is that you are trying to start an argument.. with probably one of the few characters that can actually put you on your place.. abbey is no pushover and probably will make paulo regret it big time.

SeaRiver March 14, 2014, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #276958

Last panel XD . Daisy, you just want to date Abbey because “it was nice”? Another example of her selfishness.

Someone March 14, 2014, 1:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #276959

At least Paulo has passion about helping.

Fluffy March 14, 2014, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #276960

Heh, way to tell it Paulo.
Abbey, if you’re going to continue sulking in the past, waiting for some angel to come down from Heaven and absolve you of all the deep regrets you can’t let go, buddy you are going to be waiting for a very long time.
Daisy might be a bit of a fluff-head, but she’s practically a perfect counterpart to you. She’s very upbeat, social, and a bit on the innocent side. Whereas you, Abbey, are more reclusive, have a “learned” past, and anything, but spontaneous.
Paulo has a point, even if it didn’t come around the bush with an armful of roses: the kind of guy you are Abbey is lucky to have a girl like Daisy gravitate to you the way she does.
You can read deeper into it and give yourself all the excuse you want to turn her away, but if you look at the heart of it, you are fortunate to have Daisy come around again. Seriously though, you think Daisy is going to drop a crush like Mike that fast and you expect her to say otherwise when she’s drunk off her butt, besides her true feelings?
She’s dealing with her feelings and you, Abbey, are pretty much lost in your own head and Daisy can help you get out of it, if you let her. Sure, Daisy might have selfish intentions (gee whiz, I wonder how many people DON’T have selfish intentions, yuk yuk yuk), but you’re no green light yourself, Abbey, and instead of ramming your head against a wall for an angel that will never come around, why not settle for Daisy for the time being?

Blank On Purpose March 14, 2014, 1:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #276961

bloody hell Paulo

weirdedoutfox March 14, 2014, 1:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #276962

I dont see why Abbey wants to base a sophomore year relationship on love, even if he thinks he loves her its still a big commitment and not something that normally works out (please note i said normally, i know there are people who marry their highschool sweetheart but more often than not these relationships crash and burn)

Fiver March 14, 2014, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #276963

This will be the ultimate confrontation between Paulo and Abbey :D
(Lickit this could be the BCB equivalent to us xD)

Tails March 14, 2014, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #276964

” It was nice” c’mon Daisy you need a better reason than that omfg

Todd March 14, 2014, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #276965

Ya know what… **** Paulo. He has no say in Daisy/Abby’s relationship. I get he’s trying to be a friend to Diasy, but no **** off. You can’t force someone to be in a relationship; just see what it did to Mike. I don’t even think Abby is asking that much truthfully. Why should he invest more time in this if the other person might just disapear if some one “better” comes along?

?!? March 14, 2014, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #276966

Abbey is in love with daisy and daisy just likes the idea of him, if Micheal all of a sudden wanted to be with daisy she would dump him in a second.
None of the bcb casts relationships are really healthy and Paulo is just making worse, its rly emotionally abusive of him to say that BC its abbeys choice in the end.
Im not sure how I feel about where the stories going right now.

wowie March 14, 2014, 1:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #276967

They’re in high school, they’re not even seniors, so they’re allowed to date just to date. Heck, even adults do that. Sure, it’s nice. It’ll end one day but why right now? Asking for true love from a 14-15 year old is an incredibly high bar to set. I can understand Abbey’s viewpoint that he doesn’t want to give his affection to anyone but the person he truly loves, but there’s nothing bad about trial runs and gaining experience in treating your SO right.

Macca March 14, 2014, 1:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #276968

Lmfao Pauloooo
XD Abbey’s face in dat last panel
So grumpycat

Silveryogurt March 14, 2014, 1:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #276969

@Lokialien You know of roosterteeth animated adventures?! :D

alex March 14, 2014, 1:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #276970

Because everyone HAS to be in a relationship at all times, right? :/

Even though they’re teenagers, I think Abbey kind of has the right idea about this. If after a year of devoting yourself to someone you get nothing better than what you started with in return, it’s time for both of you to move on. Both Daisy and Abbey have specific ideas of what they want in a relationship, and neither fits with the other’s vision. Maybe in a few years after there has been time to mature the two of them would work out, but as it is right now it is unfair to say that either of them has the bar raised too high. Their bars are just on opposite sides of the solar system.

Gazri March 14, 2014, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #276971

I think the two of them have two entirely different sets of wants and needs in their relationship. I don’t think either of them are wrong for wanting a casual dating relationship or a devoted, loving relationship. I will say, however, that their two different sets of wants and needs makes them inherently incompatible. Why should one be happy while the other is miserable? It just doesn’t work that way, guys.

Further, I hope this arc doesn’t end with Abbey just “sucking it up” that Daisy doesn’t love him and just give in to what she wants (because, hey, they’re in high school. Wanting love is just CRAZY and STUPID, right?). That would actually upset me.

Ravako March 14, 2014, 1:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #276972

@Blank On Purpose

I think you’ve mistaken Daisy for a psychologist, which she isn’t.

She should stay the hell away from him until she gets 100% over Mike.
Her self esteem is fine and dandy compared to his, which is plagued by his father blaming him for the death of his mother and the destruction of his family, so Daisy’s petty “I WANNA BE LOVED!!” craving is only holding Abbey back from progress.

Abbey needs someone stable and realistic, not someone immature and airheaded like Daisy, his mental psyche literally can’t handle the mindgames of reading someone else’s emotions when he barely can read his own.

Bastion March 14, 2014, 2:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #276973

Yea Daisy it is nice to date people. It’s even nicer when both people dating actually love each other. Paulo has a point to though but if Daisy can’t say she loves abbey then they don’t need to be dating. If anything abbey is just Daisys security blanket.

Blue fox March 14, 2014, 2:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #276974

I think Abbey is right not wanting to date Daisy anymore. Daisy is really nice and all, but Abbey wants to be with someone who loves him. If he needs to be convinced to get back together with Daisy, then he really shouldn’t. It would only make things worse imo.

__noname__ March 14, 2014, 2:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #276975

*facepalm* Paulo…

I pretty much agree with everything Ravako said. I can get someone wanting to have a casual, dating relationship and not being ready to declare undying affection. But I can also understand someone preferring a more committed one. Frankly, as long as Daisy and Abbey’s desires for the relationship don’t match up, I think it’s best that they don’t get back together, especially since Daisy still hasn’t gotten over her feelings for Mike. If she truly cares about Abbey, then she should respect his wishes and leave him in peace. Otherwise, pain and conflict shall ensue.

CK March 14, 2014, 2:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276976

I still agree with Abbey unfortunately

Duke March 14, 2014, 2:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #276977

Well, despite that Abbey has good reasons, he is still worrying for nothing. He should be lucky that Daisy has a crush in Mike because he will never give her a chance so it doesn’t matter if she would dump Abbey or not for Mike when MikexDaisy will never happen :D Oh Paulo, you are being harsh towards Abbey as usual but at least you got good intentions for once

EvilKitty3 March 14, 2014, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #276978

Is anyone else amused by Abbey’s shoulder fur ruffling up like that in the last panel?

Commander Fluffy March 14, 2014, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #276979

WUT!? O_o

Mr-Hero-Bio March 14, 2014, 2:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #276980

If Daisy actually loved Abbey more than her massive ladyboner for Mike, then she would be able to get over him (Mike).

But if she’s incapable of that, then she doesn’t deserve Abbey’s romantic attention, because then she would be selfish and favoring her own cravings over Abbey’s desire for stability and dependability.

Which is completely understandable that Abbey wants, with his family history and that.

Prents March 14, 2014, 2:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #276981

@EvilKitty3
“Well, despite that Abbey has good reasons, he is still worrying for nothing. “

Ahahahaha
That can only be a bad joke.

Daisy’s lust for Mike is stronger than any of her emotional attachments for Abbey.

It’ll only further damage Abbey’s already trainwrecked self-esteem if he were to play along with being Daisy’s second-best.

Jamitron March 14, 2014, 2:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #276982

@Jamitron well she isn’t pursuing Mike for a very long time and did look like she had a healthly relationship with Abbey without involving Mike in it until that party. Heck, even now she attempts to get Abbey back instead of chasing Mike so how can you even call it a bad joke instead of looking at it how it is? Besides, do you really think her lust that you describe will change Mike’s mind and ever date her? I say no because he has a giiiiiiirrrrrrllllfffriieeend that he wont trade for anything and rather destroys all kind of friendship with anyone else he has than dumping Sandy… including Daisy

EvilKitty3 March 14, 2014, 2:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #276983

I hope Paulo gets socked right in the face, he deserves it. Daisy, I hope stops being a selfish airhead and understands that wanting to date somebody because it’s fun and loving somebody are completely split into two things. Abbey I hope doesn’t lose it but it’d be fun if he did. ;)

The Cat of the West March 14, 2014, 2:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #276984

Ahh, Paulo, once again being very tactful. Apart from the last panel, he does have something of a point. However, Daisy and Abbey will have to resolve the Mike issue before they can continue going out. Hopefully they’ll talk it over and make up, because they really are nice together :D

I love Paulo’s «OH COME ON!» :P And even though he’s being rude, it does show that he’s a caring person, because he’s doing this for Daisy: he really wants her to be happy. I like that part of him :)

Sambo March 14, 2014, 2:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #276985

@The Cat of the West,
Who said anything about fun? Daisy cares about Abbey, very deeply, even if she has a little growing up to do about it. There are romantic feelings less strong than love, you know…

Zott March 14, 2014, 2:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #276986

@Evilkitty3
I don’t think it matters if Mike dumped Sandy to date Daisy or not, I don’t think that’s what @Jamitron was trying to say. I think what @Jamitron meant was Daisy’s lingering feelings for Mike was not healthy in the long run for Abbey and his self-esteem. Abbey feels like second-best.

Commander Fluffy March 14, 2014, 2:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #276987

WHY IS ABBEY THE ONLY ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A BABY.

WHY is Abbey looking like a baby.

Lisaa March 14, 2014, 3:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #276988

she just wants your V-card.

Eko March 14, 2014, 3:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #276989

@lisaa I know exactly what you’re saying. That chair’s back is pretty high in this page. Makes it look like he’s itty bitty.

Ravako March 14, 2014, 3:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #276990

I don’t think you’re helping, Paulo.

peters March 14, 2014, 3:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #276991

Yes straight to the point. Go Paulo

mikedawn March 14, 2014, 3:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #276992

You know what, i’m realising that actually, apart from Abbey and Lucy, i’m liking none of the main characters so far…

I mean Paulo is a dick who understand nothing , Daisy is selfish and Mike… i still can’t forgive him what he did to Lucy (even if i admit a part of me did)….

And now, we have this page with Daisy saying that she was being with him because ” it was nice” (“yes Abbey, i like dating you but i don’t love you, i have feelings for Mike, i’m sorry, but… we can be in a relationship right ??”) and now we have Paulo saying this kind of **** (And this is ****ing PAULO we’re talking about…)

A guy March 14, 2014, 3:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #276993

Abbey does realize they’re in high school right? It’s not like this an engagement or anything… not to say he shouldn’t hold any less value to a relationship, but man, everyone’s hitting puberty, emotions are haywire, it’s gonna take a damn while to get over your first crush and if they are willing to do so for YOU and you LOVE them, then GODDAMN GO FOR IT, ya idjit.

Lena March 14, 2014, 3:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #276994

*Raises hand* I bet a couple of you thought this at one point. Come on.

Daisy: ;_;

Abbey: D:

Paulo: Furious Abbey

Anyway, Paulo is too emotionally unstable now to handle the simplest of tasks.

Hawz March 14, 2014, 3:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #276995

Are they just casually having this loud conversation in the middle of a crowded room? While other students are up and about delivering flowers? Talk about awkward.

Lainy March 14, 2014, 3:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #276996

I think Paulo’s projecting a little here. He fears and hates being alone quite a bit from what I’ve seen, so he’ll take whoever will pay him the mind. Abbey’s more discerning from romantic partners and wants an actual committed relationship.

I can’t lie, there’s some bias here because I’m in Abbey’s court. He may want to give Daisy a chance to grow to love him, since he cares about her so much, but its very iffy even then. And awkward. Yeah, I can totally see from Abbey’s frame of mind here. (Of the group so far he’s the only one I could say was a D&D alignment of Lawful Neutral, ie, he seems to have a pretty strict moral code and a rather black-white outlook on things. Grey’s for people who can’t decide where they should be restricting themselves.)

Rheios March 14, 2014, 3:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #276997

Shots have been fired.

13linding March 14, 2014, 3:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #276998

Paulo, I think you hit a nerve

TheScarletTailedFox March 14, 2014, 3:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #276999

*drops the mic*

Jerk March 14, 2014, 3:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #277000

Oh snap, shots frigging fired!

NBbowler March 14, 2014, 3:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #277001

@ MYPACK really paulo should be telling that to Daisy. Come on Daisys pull your head out your *** so you can see how much abbey really loved you.

Blue fox March 14, 2014, 3:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #277002

Great, now I can only hear Paulo with a Brooklyn accent. —_—

Gate-senpai March 14, 2014, 4:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #277003

@Evilkitty3

You missed the point completely.

@Commander Fluffy

You nailed it head on.

Daisy is being incredibly self centered in the regard that she can’t see her insistence on Abbey being with her even when she only views him as second best is thrashing Abbey’s self esteem badly.

Frankly, Daisy should go all out nun until she gets over Mike, otherwise she’ll be a stubborn burden on both herself and everyone else.

Jamitron March 14, 2014, 4:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #277004

Ugh, Daisy. Poor Abbey, man. Dude’s got it damn rough.

Wat March 14, 2014, 4:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #277006

Paulo has no ****ING place telling Abbey what he should and should not do with his time OR with Daisy.

And if I hear one more person comment that you shouldn’t have to love in a relationship where you date, You are doing it wrong. You are too afraid to be vulnerable that you are honestly only hurting yourself from feeling what love is like.

Now if you CAN’T love someone (no chemistry or whatever) you need to move on if the other person loves you. Because you are only being a selfish ******* if you keep dragging out their feelings.

Want is not actual feelings. Want is mere selfishness. And WANTING someone to put up with your **** because it makes only YOU happy in a relationship is about as selfish as it gets. And trying to shove someone to change their mind WHEN DAISY’S FEELINGS ARE THE PROBLEM with the force of another UN-INVOLVED guy, it a load of ****.

Thank you @seariver @?!? @Gazri @Ravako @Bastion @Noname @Ck @Prents @The Cat of the West @AGuy @Rheios for understanding this.

ALSO. If she wanted him, “Because he was nice,” then should should have plucked up the courage and been an adult about it and done it ONE ON ONE. NOT in front of Paulo. NOT in the middle of the classroom. NOT in the weird guilt trip to Abbey like he owes it to her to be nice and pretend that he’s happy because see was.

Daisy is a selfish bitch. And Paulo’s meddling is pretty ****** too, no matter his reason. Mad Lucy

And I can’t believe that Paulo basically said, “No one else will love you if not Daisy!” OUT OF LINE AND UNCALLED FOR.

Honestly guys what just happened here is a laundry list of ****** behavior from the mains.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 4:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #277007

Okay Paulo you had a point…now its gone…

Damage March 14, 2014, 4:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #277008

Somehow i´m not in the mood to discuss this, i only say that it is obvious that there are clearly 2 different views on that topic crashing into each other(the one of Abbey vs the one of Paulo (Daisy has a third view but she is too inactive here) and that we have to wait until next week to see which one will “win” (except if taeshi just wants to show us that either none of them or both are “right” because both ways of thinking can be right or wrong, depending on the point of view…that would be a twist :D))

Tails March 14, 2014, 4:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #277009

I agree with @Lickit:
I don’t believe that Daisy really loves Abbey and therefore she shouldn’t be with him since he would only get hurt. Many people have pointed out that Daisy doesn’t want a love relationship while Abbey does. If that is so then they shouldn’t be together.

Paulo is not helping either. He’s pretty much just insulting Abbey, even though it’s true then like @Lickit said: ”OUT OF LINE AND UNCALLED FOR”. Come on.

Now. I have a theory. Paulo will keep pushing and then Abbey will get mad because Paulo is trying to force him into a relationship. He doesn’t have to be with her. :/

I don’t think this will end well. D:

I can’t believe this. Why did Daisy even try when she doesn’t love him. She only thought the relationship was…. nice. The only thing I can think of is that she ”needs” Abbey.

This is my opinion on the situation and the characters.

Edit: I also wanted to say that I find Paulo a bit unfair since he’s not taking Abbey’s feelings into a count.

Jonas97face March 14, 2014, 4:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #277010

Open mouth, insert foot. Fantastic job, Paulo…

Riveria March 14, 2014, 4:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #277011

@Bluefox
Naw, yellin at her won’t do any help. I don’t think yelling at Abbey helps either, but it sure is entertaining. :D

HelTH March 14, 2014, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277012

Paulo had it! He was so close to convincing Abbey without ******* him off. Then… well… maybe it might still work out? Though it was pretty darn funny.

Shadow March 14, 2014, 5:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #277013

Okay but seriously though, why does love have to be the be all end all when it comes to *High School Relationships?!* It’s not like they’re going to marry each other any time soon, so what gives Abbey the right to break up with Daisy just because he loves her more than she loves him?

High school is a time where you focus on your studies and prepare for college and/or a future career! High school is not a time to make serious relationships that last a lifetime. If it happens for you, great! I’m proud of you, but if not, that’s completely and totally fine!

If Abbey seriously can’t deal with the fact that his Super Serious And Totally Important relationship is not all that perfect and might need a bit of time, or maybe some fixing up, then he’s the immature person who needs to change, not Daisy, or Paulo or anyone else (those guys need to change, but for different reasons :P)

Anbellz March 14, 2014, 5:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #277014

@Anbellz
nice said :)

Tails March 14, 2014, 5:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #277015

@Anbellz
Forget that. A relationship of any sort is an adult choice. Just because they’re young doesn’t free them from the responsibility of making it. Same way as its their responsibility for making the adult decision to drink. And if you’re not ready to be adult in a relationship and possibly end up making a lasting commitment, you shouldn’t be in that kind of relationship. You should be friends. (And also keep it away from a physical friendship for other reasons. But let’s not go into THOSE. =P)

And relationships and studies are separate. If you can’t do both - also not adult enough to be in a relationship.

But expecting equal investment from a partner of any kind, business, relationship, hell even sports (and I dislike sports) is logical. That’s thinking about the future for both people, because as it stands it’d only end up in more pain if only one party is completely in the relationship 100%.

(And really this applies to either of them somewhat. It probably is better for both if they don’t just hop back into a relationship at this point.)

Rheios March 14, 2014, 5:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #277016

@Anbellz:
Well. Abbey doesn’t have to be with her then. If that is what your saying. I mean you can’t really force him to be with Daisy. Paulo and Daisy are immature. But somewhat of what you say is true and makes Abbey therefore also immature. However Abbey has his rights to break up with Daisy. Like you said. It’s not like they are married or anything.

Jonas97face March 14, 2014, 6:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #277017

@Anbellz
It’s not fair to Abbey if he has stronger feelings for Daisy than she has for him. He shouldn’t HAVE to feel pressured to go out with her again if she just likes the idea of being in a relationship.
That’s blatantly USING him until something better comes along.

Mightyena March 14, 2014, 6:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #277018

Well, that was rather…straight to the point.

Mcturtle March 14, 2014, 6:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #277019

I don’t blame Abbey. He actually wants to be with someone who loves him. She won’t love him. She never will. Why should he have to accept the constant jealousy of knowing she’s pining after someone else? Especially someone they will likely see many times? Its not the base for a healthy relationship. Eventually it’ll get toxic—Especially if they have sex. Nothing good could come from it. I don’t think these two are a good mix—he has anger/anxiety issues, and she loves someone else. Never a good cocktail.

One thing that irks me that seems to constantly come up in discussion is the concept of someone being “too young for true love”. I’m marrying my high school sweetheart in 2 months that I met when I was 15 (I’m 24 now). I don’t think being “too young” is actually a thing when it comes to loving someone.

IDGAF March 14, 2014, 6:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #277020

My theory is that either Sue (unlikely IMO) or David will save the day by lightening up Paulo, but it may be too late before that happens…

That Weirdo March 14, 2014, 6:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #277021

I know how Daisy feels. A little TOO well, in fact.

The love that you CAN get helps to heal the one that you CAN’T… but the original never really goes away.

I think Mike really does need to sit her down and tell her exactly why he’ll never love her. Otherwise, the hope will always be there.

… Also, I really dislike Abbey, so I don’t honestly want her dating him. XD But hey.

Mr. Angst-and-rage gets on my nerves.

ravengal March 14, 2014, 6:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277022

I think now’s a good time to remember that actions speak louder than words. From the therapy to the election to the Christmas mother support to the sexual encounter, Daisy’s done a lot to “show” that she loves Abbey, even if she can’t bring herself to say it. Right now it’s Daisy’s job to embrace the relationship full force, and Abbey’s job to recognize Daisy’s actions and accept her attitude towards Mike.

Besides, Abbey. Daisy never said she “loved” Mike either. If you want her, keep winning her over. It’s worked so far, don’t lose steam now.

Spradic Zoom March 14, 2014, 6:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #277023

Not The best approach man…

lov/hate/hurt March 14, 2014, 6:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #277024

… The ruffle of fur coming from Abbey amuses me.

****** March 14, 2014, 6:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #277025

@ Lickit&stickit Mad Lucy just no. So much wrong I can’t even address it right now. Mad Lucy

Blue fox March 14, 2014, 6:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #277026

@Spradic Zoom

” Right now it’s Daisy’s job to embrace the relationship full force, and Abbey’s job to recognize Daisy’s actions and accept her attitude towards Mike.”

Kind of hard for Abbey to deal with being only second best option for Daisy when it clearly were tearing him apart from the inside.

He made his standpoint clear, either it is all-out or none at all.
None of that “well I LIKE like you” while drooling over somebody else, it’s all-in or nothing.

If Daisy’s incapable of that, well then boo-fukken’-hoo, no relationship for her.

Dovan March 14, 2014, 6:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #277027

@Spradic Zoom

” Right now it’s Daisy’s job to embrace the relationship full force, and Abbey’s job to recognize Daisy’s actions and accept her attitude towards Mike.”

Kind of hard for Abbey to deal with being only second best option for Daisy when it clearly were tearing him apart from the inside.

He made his standpoint clear, either it is all-out or none at all.
None of that “well I LIKE like you” while drooling over somebody else, it’s all-in or nothing.

If Daisy’s incapable of that, well then boo-fukken’-hoo, no relationship for her.

Dovan March 14, 2014, 6:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #277028

@Anbellz

You must be kidding, right?
Because that’s so hopelessly flawed and one-sided I don’t even know where to begin or stop.
Not to mention it completely disregards Abbey’s background for why and how he is like he is (hint hint, his family) while enabling Daisy to be a big baby when she should really act like more like an adult if she wants the treatment she wants.
You’re making it sound like they’re still in Kindergarten when they really are at a point when it is time to smarten up and getting their things together.

Frave March 14, 2014, 6:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #277029

Whoa paulo calm down your being harsh on Abby I mean you do got a point there.

Paulo fan March 14, 2014, 6:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #277030

@Blue fox
No, it is actually all correct, it just goes against your petty ships and thus you dislike it.

Orame March 14, 2014, 6:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #277031

i cant blame him. if daisy is just using him as a proxy to fill a hole left by the rejection of a child hood attraction then hes better off alone. Never be some ones silver medal

anonymous March 14, 2014, 6:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #277032

I think Paulo’s projecting himself onto Abbey because he’s always liked Lucy, but she’s always liked Mike so he never really thought he had a chance with her. He sees the situation with Abbey and Daisy and automatically assumes that he’ll be better off being with the girl he loves even though she might not love him back, instead of seeing it as Abbey not wanting to be Daisy’s replacement for Mike.
Nobody’s fault really, since everyone’s bound to have different opinions on what to do in this sort of situation.

Hullabaloo March 14, 2014, 7:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #277033

i follow the train of thought that high school kids are too young to know what “true love” really is, and everyone saying that dating someone you don’t love is wrong needs to do a little maturing and growing up themselves

love at first sight is a movie cliche

real life doesn’t work that way

it happens a little differently from person to person, but real love takes time to develop. spending time together, enjoying each other’s company, and doing things for your partner without expecting something in return (all things that Daisy and Abbey did in their relationship, and did well).

a crush is just a crush… and more often than not, the real thing is no match for the ideal you build up in your head.

all parties involved here could be handling this a lot better (daisy could’ve focused more on what she likes about abbey, for starters, paulo could’ve kept his temper under control, and abbey could maybe be a little more realistic about what he expects from a girl his own age) but then they wouldn’t be the characters we all know and love

wotcher March 14, 2014, 7:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #277034

@Blue fox

Okay Blue. You tell me why I’m wrong. Because unlike you, I don’t ship pairings. And I don’t support anything other than characters behaving and not being stereotypical and narcissistic 21st century teenagers.

Things I’d like you address, since its such a load of crap to me, are the following:

1) How is it not selfish for Daisy to expect, and try to get Paulo to threaten and enforce, a relationship that Abbey wants out of?

2) How is it not rude that Daisy and Paulo did this in the middle of a FULL classroom to embarrass the **** out of Abbey in front of his peers? Paulo just screamed that Abbey could never be loved by anyone but Daisy. Oh but, LOL, just so you random bystanders know, Daisy’s doesn’t love dating Abbey. He was merely “nice” enough to want back.

3) How is it appropriate that Paulo is involved in this conversation AT ALL? This is between Daisy and Abbey.

4) How is Abbey a villain for wanting a loving relationship with Daisy? No matter his age?

5) How is it fair for Daisy to get what she selfishly wants, a temporary ****-buddy and/or male affection that she could get from literally ANY guy?

6) Why does Abbey have to sacrifice his time and forget about his REAL feelings knowing that she loves someone else? And that she has never denied this fact when he called her out on it?

7) Why does the fact that they are in high school mean that they all have to be casual ****-buddies and never expect or want something serious from anyone?

I hear all this **** about respecting other people’s lifestyle choices, but apparently that only applies for casual sex participants and not those that seek real emotional connections like poor Abbey. They are just stupid for wanting real love and not banging like “normal” high school kids.

What the absolute **** logic is this?

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 7:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #277035

Oh man don’t care about the characters anymore, I’m just enjoying how their messing with each other now. That last panel was great though it’s going to lead to an all out argument that Abbey can just take him apart in. Personally I’m hoping for a fight. Abbey vs Paulo go. On that not it’s been quite some time, when are we going to see those thugs again from Confrontation? Thier a little overdo for their supposed payback and I’m missing Augustus-Abbey interactions.
Man I’m really not made for soap operas aren’t I?

Bunshin March 14, 2014, 7:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #277036

Paulo clearly doesn’t care what you think about him, Abbey -pats Abbey-.

Subaru March 14, 2014, 7:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #277037

@Lickit Sometimes I hate your posts, sometimes I love them. Right now I love them.

TheLazyCharmander March 14, 2014, 7:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #277038

Goddammit Paulo hahaha STOP HELPING. And Daisy sweetie that is not how this works. If you’re going to be in a serious relationship it has to be 50/50 not 20/80.

Tealjoy March 14, 2014, 7:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #277039

I don’t actively want to be with Abbey, he should count himself lucky. :P

…wait, that doesn’t sound right… xD

TarriPup March 14, 2014, 7:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #277040

@TheLazyCharmander

*Bows gracefully*

It’s fine if you have a love-hate relationship to my posts. I just like talking about my thoughts on the matter. And in this case I am honestly flabbergasted at the positive support for Daisy and Paulo. Apparently people can’t forget about their own ships long enough to see what’s happening here.

The way i see it, Paulo’s relationship with Rachel is mutual. For Paulo to threaten and insult Abbey in public for having difference in emotional needs to so astronomically rude, I’m crossing Paulo over to my naughty list with Daisy.

And considering Daisy’s handling of this, not getting a rose, not having the courage to make this talk without Paulo as back-up, not enough giving a good reason for Abbey to consider besides her own way of needing a guy, ANY guy, to fool around with says so much about her real personality. She doesn’t deserve Abbey. And I’m going to be furious if Abbey lets them steamroll his feelings.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 7:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #277041

@Lickit:
Holy mother of cow. That was a fairly… umm… how should I put it? Quick response? I agree with most of it except the first one. I don’t think she’s trying to get Paulo to force him into a relationship. That is Paulo himself doing it. But if she doesn’t stop Paulo in the next page then I think she can be called into an account for the first one.

But yeah. I’m not liking how Daisy nor Paulo are playing this out. I was expecting something from her (nor really much from Paulo since I knew he would screw things up. However I expected that he would screw it accidentally, but he did both). She really has let me down, but that’s just me. I find it unfair that some people are not taking Abbey’s feelings into a count.

Jonas97face March 14, 2014, 8:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #277042

@Jonas

That’s fair. Currently I put number 1 in there because Daisy has been letting Paulo take the lead on getting Abbey back for her, instead on making any attempts on her own. Shame on her. Paulo has no place in their relationship.

Also @Tails, I missed your shout-out. As long as i can be Abbey in this confrontation joke with us, I’m fine with it. ;) Paulo is getting on my nerves.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 8:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #277043

“I really want us to go out again because I’m incredibly selfish and conceited; not to mention clingy.”

And the bitch of the century award goes to none other than… Daisy!

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 8:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #277044

The worst part of this is she’s still acting like a victim; like people should feel sorry for her. “Boohoohoo I’m such a bad girlfriend I wish he’d take me back, boohoohoo.” As if she’s so innocent. And involving someone unrelated? Underhanded and sneaky! She’s so sly while pretending she has no idea what’s really going on. What an utterly ugly person!

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 8:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #277045

You know what? As a current high school student I can say this, high school is not the time to find the love of your life on the first try. It happens sometimes yes, but more often than not you end up dating multiple people in order to learn what love is. For all we know Abbey does love LOVE daisy, but he could also just think he loves her because from what I’ve seen he hasn’t had a really good relationship to complain it to (be it from his piers or his family, I’m not really counting the foster parents here because of the interspecices relationship they have is surpassing the norm for him to base anything off of). So all in all its also possible daisy does love Abbey but is still slightly deluded by her longtime crush on Mike to realize it. So yeah, they may actually love each other, like, actually love each other, but they also may not really know how love feels and are basing it off of nothing. (My 2 cents)

Fiver March 14, 2014, 8:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #277046

who actively wants to be with PAULO?

the only girl interested in him right now is a total ****… and even she’s turning her gaze elsewhere, now. :/

Thanatos March 14, 2014, 8:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #277047

i think people need to get that certain people few relationships differently, and no i’m not saying high school is the BE ALL END ALL but for some people, they expect more in a relationship when they’re in one.

so @Anbellz , i have to disagree. yes he has every right to break up with daisy if he feels like it’s not working out. he shouldn’t feel obligated to stay with her and they have been together for a very long time already. what you’re saying sounds super entitled and no, it doesn’t work like that.

i’m totally on the abbey/daisy ship but honestly i can see why he’s not okay with this. like if all she has to say is ‘it was nice…’ can she really expect him to be like oh yeah! okay! and i’m okay with what paulo is saying because it’s still ultimately true (the she wants to be with you part), but i do think he’s kinda projecting and he doesn’t actually have a right yell at him about it. then again it’s not like daisy is fighting for it so i forgive him.

meili March 14, 2014, 8:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #277049

Honestly I think it’s best if Daisy and Abbey don’t get back together. At least not yet. We all know that Daisy isn’t completely over Mike even after being with Abbey for a year. She hasn’t developed any feelings for him other than really liking him. And the fact she only said that it was nice when asked why she wanted to get back together doesn’t help.

Abbey loves Daisy or at least has stronger feelings for her than she does for him. He feels second best compared to Mike and frankly it’s not fair. He shouldn’t force himself to stay in a relationship with someone that might not developed any deeper feelings for him in return. He wants someone to love him in return and there is nothing wrong with that. In order for this relationship to work both people need to be on the same page when it comes to what they want out of the relationship.

A lot of people mentioned that because they are so young the relationship shouldn’t be taken all that seriously. That it should be more casual and to expect love isn’t being realistic. However I don’t believe in that. Yes they are both young, yes it isn’t always realistic that you’ll end up marrying the guy or girl you fell in love with in high school. And yes a lot of high schoolers probably do go for a more casual relationship. Yet not all of them do. For some people whether young or old casual relationships don’t always work for them and they may want a more serious relationship. Especially if they developed deep feelings for the person they are with.

It’s clear that Abbey wants a more serious relationship and if Daisy can’t give that to him then they shouldn’t be dating. At most they should remain friends if possible because Daisy does care a lot about Abbey and has helped him in the past. Daisy needs to understand that as long as she’s harboring this crush on Mike, doesn’t return Abbey’s feelings to the same degree or even come up with a better answer as to why she wants to be with him then it isn’t going to work out. It won’t be fair to either of them and it’ll only cause more pain in the long run. Maybe they can get back together one day but only if they can sort things out emotionally. Until then Daisy should just hope she can be Abbey’s friend. Although… considering what is happening now it’s hard to say how that would even go.

K March 14, 2014, 8:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #277050

Oh Lord….so much time has passed from those happenings:
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p8.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p9.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p10.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p11.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p12.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p13.html
It´s fun how he exactly KNEW what is going on with daisy (he even TALKED with her about it on there), but he still thought it would be a good idea to date her.(btw it´s fun how you guys said that she can´t be so unoticing about other peoples feelings or problems, but here you see that she actually did NOT notice that Abbey had such feelings for her until he actually flat out confessed it to her (which even has blown her a way), desprite everyone else besides her already knew about it - even Rachel and jessica noticed it on the spot! That is a reccuring pattern/problem of Daisy that we have already talked about on other instances, but it is kinda important on this context)

@wotcher
you are right with that.

@Fiver
I really like that thought

@Lickit&stickit
I´m fine with that, because Abbey is going on MY nerves :P

I am really tempted to say more (and i really could say A LOT!), but since i know that it would be very idiotic to jump in this shark-filled comment-pool, i see no sense in doing so.

Tails March 14, 2014, 8:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #277051

@K:
Loved your comment :)

@Fiver:
I’m also a current high schooler and I agree that high school is not the time to find your love of life. That’s why I don’t think Abbey should be with Daisy anymore. I was kinda hoping it would happen later after some chapters of drama but now I just kinda don’t want Abbey to with Daisy. He deserves so much better. He will just be hurting himself if he does (unless Daisy has somehow magically stopped thinking about Mike and does really love him).

Jonas97face March 14, 2014, 9:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #277052

@Tails

That’s because it would be foolish to do so. The side for Daisy and Paulo is seriously ****ed up, and only based on their past good actions rather than the shitheads they are being now.

Those links are nice, but it doesn’t MATTER that Abbey knew about Mike being an issue when he started dating Daisy. He thought he could change her. He was wrong, feelings got more intense for him, Daisy was pushing for sex despite still not stopping her Mike obsession. Surprise surprise:

HE HAS CHANGED HIS MIND. Period. He doesn’t have to stick to his original approach and pray she loves him. And he owes her nothing. His love for her makes him the one that needs her more. This is way harder for him than it is for Daisy who justs wants sex or male attention because it’s “nice.” She can find another guy to be casual with. Abbey doesn’t want this attitude.

And personally I’d love for you to say more. Particularly on the points I gave @Bluefox.

I see nothing redeemable about the way Daisy is handling this. I find it funny that the main passe excuse for Daisy is, “Abbey shouldn’t expect or desire a serious relationship in high school. So suck it up and do what Daisy (and I) want for shipping purposes.”

And the “Daisy didn’t know Abbey loved her” was an excuse LONG gone when Abbey confessed to her. She’s known for a damn long time.

And damn right @K! Very good post.

@Fiver

So, because they don’t know what love is, because everyone knows that EVERY teenagers can’t possibly figure out their feelings, they should definitely not expect or want it from their relationships. Like ever. Right :/

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 9:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #277053

Can we talk about Abbey’s head in panel 6? It’s adorable and funny at the same time.

Tealjoy March 14, 2014, 9:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #277054

@Tails:
In the last one Daisy say’s she can live with the idea that she and Mike would never work out.

Jonas97face March 14, 2014, 9:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277055

@Lickit&stickit
Well for one that is not what I said at all, and two, actually, pointing out that’s not what I said covers the fact that you missed my point entirely. I said that they don’t have a good base for knowing what love is, nowhere in there did I say they should never expect love or greater feelings within their relationships.

Fiver March 14, 2014, 9:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #277056

@Fiver And I quote:

“I can say this, high school is not the time to find the love of your life on the first try.”

Please tell me how your first sentence has nothing to do with your point of the rest of the post.

And how it doesn’t majorly imply that high schoolers should not expect love because high school is not the time. By your reasoning, since they can’t possibly know what it is.

In your FACE, high school sweethearts that get married, and often statistically stay married longer than couples that wait until after college (24 plus) to get hitched.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 9:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #277057

I dunno man, I found my boyfriend when we were 16 and we’ve been together ever since and we’re 22 now. Never dated anyone before him and he never dated anyone before me. We both didn’t want to be involved with ‘flings’ so we had avoided dating before that because we both wanted something that meant something. Casual is fine, but don’t knock people who want something more.

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 9:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #277058

@Lickit&stickit
Well when pulled out of context like that it does sound that way! But I literally state after that
“It happens sometimes yes, but more often than not you end up dating multiple people in order to learn what love is”

Fiver March 14, 2014, 9:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #277059

@Some Brit

If you get married to him couples that meet and are 24 plus often decide to divorce sooner than couples that meet and court from high school to college.

This statistic shocked me, but obviously extreme age is not better for the health of the relationship or possible marriage. This could also be since those people fell in love and never had the emotional heartbreak baggage that those who struggle finding love the first time. They also don’t have a list of suitors to judge their current love against. Both a good and bad thing.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 9:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #277060

@Some Brit, same story (but replace respective ages with 14 and 20). It’s nice.

Ket March 14, 2014, 9:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #277061

@Fiver

It’s not out of context. It is plainly in there with what you wrote. You acknowledge it can happen, almost like a miracle, but debunk that with “shouldn’t be expected, because you must have multiple partners because you don’t what love is at that age.”

And looking at three users above that I saw posting their high school crushes and still in happy relationships, you are wrong. It happens more often than you think.

So it is fine to want a serious relationship when one is a teen, because often you’ve met or known adults that this happened to. Abbey wanting to pursue this is fine. (whether or not he’ll be that lucky remains to be seen, but so what if he has a dream?)

Breaking up with Daisy because she won’t be serious after a YEAR or drop her major love interest is also fine. Daisy should be grateful he put up with her not loving him for so long. Good for Abbey for respecting himself.

If you want to make sense, try not contradicting yourself. It’s your own fault if you didn’t come across the way you wanted. :P

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 9:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #277062

@Lickit&stickit
Then how’s about this for your overanaliticmind? Abbey comes from a broken family, that is a hands down fact. I come from a broken family, granted my dad did not kill my mom but they do not talk to each other. That messes people up. Emotionally and with the ways you can interpret things. I’m not talking as an observer, I’m talking as someone who was in Abbey boat. When I got my first boyfriend, I thought I loved him because he was one of the first people to gimvetime the light of day, to just sit and talk to me, support me emotionally. (Hub, kinda like daisy and added) but I had no idea what love actually was, still don’t ful l y grasp it. Tout he was using me to feel better, said it was nice that we were dating. I’ve had to date more people after him to realize that wasn’t love, it was just a hole being bandaged. That is most likely what Abbey is feeling, not love buta crud bandage covering a hole within himself. I tried to explain this without going into detail, I really did, but I’m horrible with getting my point across without contradicting myself unintentionally, so please, get off your high horse you have in the comments and realize some people aren’t sspeculatign. apologies for grammar and spelling, I could care less to waste my time fixing it

Fiver March 14, 2014, 9:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #277063

@Lickit&stickit

Other than the expletives and your last comment about Daisy, I agree 100%

Maybe Daisy is being selfish, but it’s because she’s confused about her feelings, not because she doesn’t care about Abbey’s feelings at all. She does care, but she’s putting her own needs first, and to be frank, that’s not love. And if it’s not love, why bother with the dating? Why not just be friends? Sure, it can be difficult to just be friends with someone you’ve had strong feelings for, but it’s not impossible.

TKM March 14, 2014, 9:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #277064

@Fiver

You are still invalidating that people can find love young. Experiences aside, I did too. You are also assuming that I have no idea where he is coming from with the home life. I do.

You can’t invalidate the existence of someone’s feelings just because your past suggests a different outcome or because you don’t believe they could possibly feel that way.

Abbey says he loves her. Right now, he feels really does. He might go on to love another more. But in THIS moment, this is his truth. And if he is needing something from Daisy he isn’t getting, why is he such a devil to let go someone that is hurting him with their selfish actions? Daisy certainly doesn’t care that even now, he is being hurt by her lack of concern towards his feelings (not to mention getting Paulo involved and having the public shout fest)

“I still want you back, though I know your feelings need more, but you should get back because it was just nice to me.”

@TKM

I swear when I find things obscene.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 9:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #277065

On that note, Paullo swears so often recently.

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 10:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #277066

@Lickit&stick it
I AM NOT INVALIDATING THAT I LITERALLY SAID THAT IT DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES BUT NOT ALL THE TIME, he may feel that he loves her, but they BOTH need to back off and actually analyze their feelings now that they are not together, so they can realize if their feelings are heat of the moment things or actual love. Do not expect me to continue this ‘debat’ because I’m suddenly seeing how you find one missworded thing and hang onto that like a lifeline

Fiver March 14, 2014, 10:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #277067

It was a good decision that i stay out of it, because this whole thing is once again getting out of hand big time D:
GUYS YOU REALLY SHOULD CALM DOWN NOW!

Tails March 14, 2014, 10:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #277068

@Fiver

Maybe you don’t realize what you are actually saying. I can’t help you there. Everything you have written has been to say that Abbey can’t possibly be in love with Daisy.

First, you used your weird debate that teens, bar rare ones, need multiple people to know love. Young people can’t know love.

You got embarrassed I pointed this out, then switched to your personal experience. Saying Abbey can’t be in love because once in your own life you didn’t actually love someone as a teen due to your parental issues.

To which I mentioned, you can’t invalidate existence of feelings of other people with your own perception.

Why is it so hard for you to consider he might actually love Daisy? I mean, he’s said it. He’s making a big deal because Daisy doesn’t return it. He obviously is convinced that he does love her. That’s why I said it’s true for him now. Teen or not

You’re the only one not making any sense. D:

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 10:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #277069

….I miss Lucy.

hawaii5oxo March 14, 2014, 10:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #277070

(In the last panel) When the wild Abbey gets threatened, his fur gets fluffier to appear more threatening.

Random Person March 14, 2014, 10:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #277071

Lickit&stickit
I will leave it all on this.
We are not them
We will never be them
We will never know how they truly feel abruptly all of this
We will only know if explicitly stated, not from their mouths, but from their minds (aka the author)
Also, I did not switch up technical with you, nor did I get embarrass d to the point where I was forced to do anything, but I have to be frank with you about something. You took everything I said, and invalidated it simple because of what you think, and because I missworded something. I spoke from the eyes of teens these days, just threw my 2 cents in because I (and any other teen) have similar mindsets, please do not expect me to comment again because you have proven that having a different opinion, a different point of view, a different way of thinking or wording things, is going to make you sit and latch onto something without actually reading the bits that explain it. For all we know, Abbey loves daisy, I never said he didn’t, if I did that was another misswording on my part, and for all we know daisy loves him but can’t ! But that’s just it. For all we know….

Fiver March 14, 2014, 10:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #277072

@Tails

Awwwww, but I really wanted to see if you actually had anything to combat my earlier seven points that @Bluefox has so far stayed silent on.

No one else has anything good to support Daisy and Paulo past their personal feelings that teens are stupid to date for love. Or that Daisy is just such a special snowflake and Abbey should latch on, sacrifice personal conflicts, and bow to her petty need to have a guy admire her while she goggles Mike.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 10:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #277073

You forgot the question mark at the end of the question in the last panel, although I think I understand why (it adds more seriousness somehow). XD
Also considering Paulo’s loudness there, I wouldn’t be surprised if the teacher turned around and sent Paulo to the office on account of blatantly yelling bad language in a classroom. :P

illeatyourself March 14, 2014, 10:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #277074

A good author doesn’t have to explicitely state anything though… a good author will use actions and feelings to convey things. Why do we need Taeshi to explicitely say, “Abbey loves Daisy.” In order for it to be true? I mean, she wrote Abbey telling Daisy he loves her, is that not good enough? His actions at te very least show the illusion of love, as do his feelings. Besides, what is ‘real’ love? You can love someone at any given age, so really ‘real’ love is simply a state of mind. Just because someoe breaks up doesn’t mean they never truly loved that person. Likewise two people who have never had multiple partners can also have ‘real’ love even if they haven’t had as many experiences as someone who’s dated 30 people. It’s all in how you perceive it!

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 10:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #277075

@illeatyourself

Paullo is making a statement, not asking Abbey a question. He’s stating that no sane person would want to date him. He’s basically just being insulting and expecting no real answer.

Some Brit March 14, 2014, 10:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #277076

@Lokialien Joel what are you doing here!?

Ember March 14, 2014, 10:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #277077

@Lickit

I agree with everything that you wrote and you have so much respect coming from me for translating my thoughts to the comments. Abbey is my favorite out all of the BCB characters and it is horrendously cringe worthy to watch him getting ganged up on by his ex AND her commonly-known-fact best friend. This is unfair, my feelings go out to Abbey and I only hope that they will not be getting back together so soon. It sucks because Abbey and Daisy is my favorite couple, however I refuse to continue the ship if Daisy remains selfish about her feelings while not considering Abbey’s. UGH. SO MUCH FEELS.

Starmuttani March 14, 2014, 11:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #277078

@Some Brit

Today, you are my favorite person. That thing with Fiver was the weirdest thing I ever commented on. Maybe they were a non English site user. I don’t know if they realized what they were writing at all.

It’s actually nice to see a good majority of people seem to see that what transpired on the page today was really messed up. From a lot of places, socially and emotionally, Daisy and Paulo are way out of line.

@Starmuttani

I honestly do not know how anyone chooses not be on Abbey’s side on this panel. It’d be completely irrational to support Daisy and Paulo’s horrendously tacky method of approach.

Step 1) Give flower.
Step 2) Reveal that Daisy meant to send it, but didn’t. ;) Smooth.
Step 3) Show Daisy saying Abbey was nice to have. Much like a toy.
Step 4) Have unrelated party member get raging mad and but into a two person relationship.
Step 5) Cue rage. Start screaming in the middle of a classroom and insult Abbey as unlovable.

Step 6) Success? This is the plan to get Daisy back with Abbey.

Wait, What? :question: Honestly what are they thinking? I’ll be amazed if Abbey gives into this.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 11:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #277079

The real stickler here is that this really does go to show how little thought or time Daisy actually put into putting this right.

At which point in her post “breakup” talk with Abbey has she actually really considered his feelings? So far she’s been upset that he’s made that decision, and then decided to to make the argument for the relationship…for which the only argument for she has is “well it suited me fine!”

It doesn’t seem to have registered a jot to her that her actions caused this, or what she did was actually bad. It’s a shame, because I did kind of hope Daisy would at least stop to really think over her feelings before acting, but she didn’t at all. She consigned the job to Paulo, wimped out on the flower, and didn’t even stop to consider what she would even say to Abbey once she got her chance. If she’d mulled this over, I’m sure she would of realized how awful and selfish the answer she gave right now is.

Also yes, Paulo has no place sticking his nose in at this point, helping a friend is one thing. He meant well, even if he was only putting in the effort for Daisy’s sake. But to get in Abbey’s face like this and to go as far as to suggest nobody would want to be with him is stupid and rude. He doesn’t know the relationship like the couple do. Friends should only ever be involved to help the half they are mainly affiliated with, when you start attacking the ex based on just what you know, or what your friend told you, then you are not helping, in fact you are most likely making the situation worse than it needs to be.

I suspect Daisy is going to learn the hard way that breakups really really suck, and it’s only going to get worse now that she’s inadvertently sic’d Paulo on Abbey. Because that ultimately will look bad on her, and sure isn’t going to make Abbey any more keen to discuss any potental future. Not when her answer to “sorry I want out” is to act out like this and potentally cause a fight Abbey sure wasn’t asking to be involved in.

One hopes he has at least enough willpower to simply shut Paulo down with a retort or leave the room, rather than resorting to any physical solution that may only make things worse for him.

jennytablina March 14, 2014, 11:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #277080

@Lickit&stickit
“Awwwww, but I really wanted to see if you actually had anything to combat my earlier seven points that @Bluefox has so far stayed silent on.”

This whole silly discussion is not what i wanna throw myself into today. I could already see from miles away that it would be foolish to get wrapped into this mess of a comment section this time. But only because it´s so one-sided that even with rather good arguments i would see no coming through against this wall of negativity.

And honestly, with what you did today you have directly lost almost all of the points that you have earned in my personal “respect-book” yesterday (btw, the “respect book” was not meant to be taken literally).

I´ll just go back to the chat for now.

Tails March 14, 2014, 11:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #277081

@Tails

Boohoo. I didn’t agree with you like I did yesterday and now you’re mad. :smirk: Figures. You only appreciate my points when they follow what you think to the letter. I didn’t do anything other than point out legitimate reasons why Daisy and Paulo are so far out of line on this page. I didn’t make a comment storm. Only 29 of these even mention me.

Face it. You don’t have any good arguments, because there isn’t anything to say that can drag Daisy and Paulo out to look good in this situation, now that this page is out. I can’t see one decent argument for them on the entire page. Past the anti-teen love, and pro-Daisy’s needs over Abbey’s.

Lickit&stickit March 14, 2014, 11:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #277082

Hm… Averting your eyes when telling a guy why you want to get back together? Not very confidence inspiring there, Daisy. Where’s your passion?

You’re content with Abbey. But you’re not happy. I think that’s the problem.

Dinique March 15, 2014, 12:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #277083

Am I the only one that hopes that the “epic confrontation” that tails was talking about will involve lightsabers and a trip to a lava planet? Because I don’t think it could be any more epic than that.

That Jedi Guy. March 15, 2014, 12:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #277084

Also I feel like Paulo Is letting his emotions get the better of himself. And in doing so, he’s forgotten why he set this up in the first place, to help Daisy. And no, His purpose for doing this wasn’t to pick a fight/create belligerent sexual tension with Abby.

That Jedi Guy. March 15, 2014, 12:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #277085

You know, Abbey reminds me of myself, except he has a social life and emotional problems.

GooltheFool March 15, 2014, 12:39 AM EST.

Comment ID #277086

I kinda hope abby finally looses it and beats the living **** out of Paulo for once

Azeroath March 15, 2014, 12:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #277087

YOU WERE SO CLOSE PAULO

SO CLOSE

Rudolf Geiss March 15, 2014, 12:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #277088

OH COME ON ABBEY! It’s just DATING! It’s just like Paulo said a few pages ago. It’s not like they’re getting married. I’ve known people that dated for 5 years before they were comfortable saying “I love you”.

Feather Quill Inkpot March 15, 2014, 1:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #277089

Seriously Abbey, not everyone loves the same way and not every relationship one person has is built the same way. Daisy’s lack of Instant Raging Love(TM) does not mean a meaningless relationship. =/

Zaywex March 15, 2014, 2:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #277090

Yes paulo well said. O how i hate abby douche. Go paulo.

JustSomeCritic March 15, 2014, 2:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #277091

CAT FIGHT!!!!! Drhhghfdjyvgjblk,hb,hbyrcj!

Crazy crud March 15, 2014, 4:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #277092

lol paulo’s still paulo

nerp March 15, 2014, 4:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #277093

@Lickit:
Maybe just maybe @Tails doesn’t want to argue because he actually agrees with you but doesn’t want to admit it. I might be talking out of my *** but yeah. It could be. However I think it would be better if Tails gave his reasons himself.

I also didn’t understand @Fiver but I just didn’t know what to say. I tried to think of something to tell that he was wrong. But I couldn’t so I could only agree with one thing that high school is not the best moment to find the love of your life (that is my personal opinion. I know that many others do). But it’s ok to do so. But now that you’ve told him he was wrong then it´s fine. However I hope he didn’t get hurt (emotionally) or anything.

@jennytablina:
Beautiful post. Thank you so much

Jonas97face March 15, 2014, 4:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #277094

While I do think it’s a bit foolish to expect her to say that she loves him, I wholeheartedly agree with Abbey’s state of mind. Why should he potentially allow himself to get hurt, simply to satisfy Daisy who apparently cares more about Michael than him. If relationships are about making your spouse happy to achieve a collective happiness, then what is Daisy contributing if she’s still crushing on Mike. Bleh, these two were my favorite relationship and Abbey is my second favorite character, for those reasons I hope things work out for the best; it hurts to see Abbey get slighted.

Damonashu March 15, 2014, 5:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #277095

Urgh.. I want to like these characters, I really do, it’s just bloody impossible when they get NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! Just when you think they’re becoming more self aware and realising their mistakes - it’s back to square one. Honestly it’s just frustrating!

oy vey March 15, 2014, 6:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #277096

This whole discussion about Abbey and Daisy…..

I mean, if Abbey doesn’t want to date or so, because Daisy doesn’t love him, fine, but they can still go out together as FRIENDS, damnit!

EDIT: I read through the other comments a little and apparently i’m not the only one who thinks so.

Blackthifer March 15, 2014, 6:46 AM EST.

Comment ID #277097

@damonshu I completely agree with you. Though I’m leaning towards daisy trying to get back with abbey because if he doesn’t then it’ll be a giant repeat of her relationship with Augustus and her trying to get mike to love her which would just make everything worse and make everyone even more upset then they already are with Lucy being gone in this comic. And though daisy doesn’t love abbey yet its beginning to grow on her. Either that or deep inside she does and she isn’t able to admit it. Idk.

idk March 15, 2014, 8:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #277098

@Tails

“. But only because it´s so one-sided that even with rather good arguments i would see no coming through against this wall of negativity.”

That’s funny because you’re the the only with a history of being biased with a unrealistic base as a only way of supporting your arguments.
Lickit has been hammering the head of the nail bang-on and multiple times here.

I can only view you as a hopeless shipper clinging on to your hopeless ship, much like how Daisy clings on to the positive things of her relationship with Abbey while disregarding the negative bits that she started.

You base your arguments on petty feelings, never on reality.

It’s so hopeless it is almost funny.

Bastion March 15, 2014, 9:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #277099

@idk

“@damonshu I completely agree with you. Though I’m leaning towards daisy trying to get back with abbey because if he doesn’t then it’ll be a giant repeat of her relationship with Augustus and her trying to get mike to love her which would just make everything worse”

Only one it would make it worse for is Daisy, and honestly she needs to crash-and-burn hard.
She’s repeatedly made the same mistakes over and over, so she never learns otherwise.

Verte March 15, 2014, 9:21 AM EST.

Comment ID #277100

@Bastion:
Really? You really do dislike @Tails. Why? Do peoples opinion really bother you? Do you have something against Tails shipping? If so then you should keep it to your self. Their is no need for this kind of an argument. No need. And btw. Feelings are also part of reality.

”That’s funny because you’re the the only with a history of being biased with a unrealistic base as a only way of supporting your arguments.” Going to have to disagree with this one entirely. I have seen so many other people.

Jonas97face March 15, 2014, 9:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #277101

Daisy seems to be doing the same thing as always. For some reason, she just does not use her intellect to actually find out about other people. I don’t know if any character does. There’s a long history of these characters not thinking before they act. It is responsible for so much of the strife that is present here. You would think that after years they would be able to know each other better but each one seems to be isolated in their own little world. It might help if they literally tell each other how they are feeling. If they would ever do that anyway. One of the necessary skills for life is being able to read other people, and these guys seem totally unable to do it. And somebody needs to do it. Cause otherwise they will just tear each other apart.

Lordofrye March 15, 2014, 9:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #277102

@Lordofrye:
You are right about that. It is always good to tell how you feel. You feel like a heavy weight has been taken away (excuse me for my lame English here). The problem is that you have to trust the one you’re telling how you feel. And since they aren’t really telling anyone then it pretty much looks like (to me at least and maybe you) that they don’t trust each other. Kinda sad right?

Jonas97face March 15, 2014, 9:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #277104

Something to add for your chat @Jonas and @Lordofyre

Empathy is not that complicated, but many people, particularly teens, can only manage sympathy.

Sympathy is a silver-lining on someone’s else obvious feelings. Rachel did this with Paulo, “Oh but you’ll get over Lucy, like you did with Tess right?” Daisy does this to Abbey, “Oh but it’s not like I remember what I said about Mike, don’t feel bad!” Paulo did this to Rachel, “We shouldn’t be seen together after we slept together. It’s weird.”

Abbey, and quite possibly Lucy with how she aids her friends and Jasmine with her caring about Daisy’s self-inflicted breakup, are the only characters to have any empathy at all. (Mike is included as of more recently, but only with his understanding over what he did to Lucy)

But this is why I respect Abbey so much. This probably has a lot to do with him actually having real problems to worry about because of the damage his dad did, unlike the rest of the privileged and rather ignorant cast.

Abbey is hurt by Daisy’s Mike lust, but he chooses to respect her feelingsand say, “I won’t ask you to change your feelings, but it hurts me too much in this relationship to continue on this way.” If he didn’t respect her thoughts, he just flat out say she needed to let it go no matter what. And still dump her.

Daisy still can’t even see his side enough to realize that telling him, “Our dating was just nice” is the rudest excess she could have come up with to get him back. Much like @jennytablina said. Excellent post by the way. A little less abrasive way to put it, but you hit the nail on the head. ;)

Lickit&stickit March 15, 2014, 10:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #277105

@Lickit&stickit
If it makes you sleep better go ahead and keep dreaming of this very unlikely possibility, but it still doesn´t make it true ;)

@Jonas97face
Nope, that´s not the reason^^

Also, why is it so hard for you guys to understand @Fiber ? Is this a new scare tactic? I can understand him/her perfectly and i also see where (s)he is coming from. This person might make some speling errors, but overall it´s rather clear what Fiber wants to tell. And it´s true, teenagers often need time to figure out if it is love or just an affection and what they want and expect from a relationship. Some people figure it out faster (like Abbey) and others need time (like daisy) or to date more often. Yes, there are cases where it directly works out with the first teenage-love, but that is rather rare and not the norm amongst teenagers (but i have to note that it differs from country to country). Those articles give a very good insight in this (Lickit you really should read them!):
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/surviving- your-childs-adolescence/201206/adolescence-and- falling-in-love
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/health- matters/201006/the-teenagers-brain
http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/reasons-teens- break-up-7591.html

Tails March 15, 2014, 10:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #277106

I love how Paulo unwittingly makes a very good point. I am a firm believer that your actions speak infinitely louder than your words. Daisy wants to be with Abbey, the fact that she is striving to get back together with him is one huge step towards her getting over Mike. She was very insensitive by being all over Mike and basically saying she loved him with Abbey being right there, but it was better he knew how deeply her affections for Mike really went still. (Although, as a side note, you would think he did know since he sort of stalked her the night she and Mike went on that date so he most likely saw her forcing a kiss on Mike. It was never made clear if he did but I always assumed he knew.) Abbey has every right to be upset and hurt that the person he loves obviously is still clinging to affections for someone else. However, he is being a bit jealous about her friendships with other guys. In a way he acts almost possessive of her even though he does not mean to, he just wants to keep her safe from things he sees as bad. (i.e.- When Daisy was helping Paulo study and Abbey saw the picture of them as kids and he freaked and made an excuse for her to come help him instead.) The fact that Daisy is making an effort to want to be with him shows how she cares. She might not be able to go as far as saying love, but she obviously cares if she gets upset about being dumped, and wants to kind of win him back. Daisy is so smart when it comes to school and books, but she is not when it comes to feelings, relationships, or expressing herself. She is very transparent on her own emotions because she does not mask them in the slightest, but she is a bit out of touch with other peoples. She can understand when they are upset and she wants to help them, but she is kind of oblivious when it comes to intentions. She basically believes that everyone is a friend because she doesn’t read any underlying intentions. She takes it all at face value. The only time I have really seen her look deeper into someones intentions has been with Augustus. She said he always seemed to be holding back something and Lucy called him a villain with training wheels. She didn’t pick up his full intentions, just some, and mostly what she could actively see, not things beneath the surface too well. But she is trying, she wants to make things work and even if she is terrible at expressing herself in words, her actions speak volumes.

GracefulSerenity March 15, 2014, 10:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #277107

Abbey did just break up with Daisy, which could make it very difficult to love him right now anyways. If they gave it another shot, who knows? Maybe she would have just needed another month to finally feel nothing for Mike and feel comfortable saying “I love you” to Abbey.

Feather Quill Inkpot March 15, 2014, 10:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #277108

@Jonas97face
Thanks for the help. The only thing that i wanna say is that i personally don´t really ship, i just like some of the cast a bit more^^

Tails March 15, 2014, 10:48 AM EST.

Comment ID #277109

@GracefulSerenity
This was an interesting post :)

Tails March 15, 2014, 10:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #277110

@Feather Quill Inkpot
Might just be me, but after one year the chances of Daisy getting over Mike herself are pretty damn slim.

Here’s hoping for that Abbey tells her to stay away from him (Abbey) if she can’t get over Mike, since it really bothers his self esteem to only be constant second best option for Daisy if she could get things the way she wanted.

Unlike Daisy, Abbey has a good reason for why he has a fragile self esteem.

Middlen March 15, 2014, 11:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #277111

@GracefulSerenity

Sweet mother of jesus, talk about wall of text.

I can’t read that without proper formatting and line-break after each period/full-stop (.)

Reading that is the equivalent of eating oatmeal without milk

Vintelo March 15, 2014, 11:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #277112

Oh Paulo… How we adore your brute comments…
They make us laugh…
They make us cry…
They ESPECIALLY want people to slap you in the face…
:D I love Paulo in this panel 8-D

Lyrix March 15, 2014, 12:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #277113

This water color is PERFECT on Daisy. not so much for the others though.

Lindsay March 15, 2014, 12:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #277114

“Want is not actual feelings. Want is mere selfishness.”
uhm……
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus/ british/want
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus/ british/desire
and i quote:
“to feel that you would like to have, keep, or do something”
and
“a strong feeling of wanting to have or to do something”

Tails March 15, 2014, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #277115

@Tails

I want you to shut up.

Now isn’t that a selfish comment? case in point…

Jester March 15, 2014, 1:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #277116

I hope Abbey ****ing snaps at Paulo

$adiq March 15, 2014, 1:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #277117

That moment when you’re like “I need some Willet fluff.”…
Wrong one. That moment when you’re like: :nope: da hell did I just see?

LoopdeLoops March 15, 2014, 1:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #277119

Sigh. I don’t usually comment but I really feel like I need to right now. ANYONE here who says you don’t need love in a highschool relationship obviously probably either hasn’t had one or had one that was too brief to matter (Though some of you probably did have a good casual relationship if you tried hard enough). I dated a guy once because he was just a good friend and turned out horrible for both of us because he loved me and I didn’t, so there is my first-hand experience on the matter.

Wanting to be in a relationship where you know it will end is miserable and saying well they are in highschool is such a terrible excuse. I am about to graduate and I can tell you that the at the least the girls of the relationships here love the guys with all their hearts, so the whole there are a lot of casual relationships doesn’t seem too common here unless you count the occasional rebounds people have. Let it also be noted though that I never expected to be in a mutual love relationship till farther on in my life, but that was due to low self-esteem more than just “Oh, teens don’t know what they want yet”. I am now in a relationship of 5 years where both my significant other love eachother very much, so I can also tell you love can make all the difference in a relationship.

To me Abbey has the right to not have to be in a relationship with her because he doesn’t want to have that relationship end. If Daisy just wants a relationship I don’t see why she finds a guy with mutual wants. Heck, Augustus would fit that to a T more than Abbey. The point of the matter is that people saying Abbey should date her are not taking into account his wants. That is like people screaming at Mike to date Lucy, even though he obviously wanted a sweeter, kind relationship with Sandy.

Nights March 15, 2014, 2:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #277121

Paulo’s wrong here, but he’s wrong all the time so what’s new.

He wanted Mike to reciprocate his feelings for Lucy even though Mike didn’t love her. Now he wants Abbey to reciprocate Daisy’s feelings even though Daisy doesn’t love him. He’s forcing things that shouldn’t be forced.

naAr March 15, 2014, 4:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #277122

@Jester

Tails never will shut me up. ;) Frankly they still haven’t posted anything to make a decent point pro-Daisy or Paulo like they are leaning. And until they do, I’m the one laughing at their lack of stance. The only thing I’ve heard is:

“Stop, I don’t like your stance. There’s too much support for you on the page, and I am too cowardly to attempt to make sense of my side.”

And no Tails, I don’t feel like reading your articles. If you are going to make a point, write it yourself. Summarize that article, tie it into the story and make your point. then I’ll take you seriously. That psychology article alone is not a stance.

Now you’re just being humorous and sad.

Lickit&stickit March 15, 2014, 4:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #277123

ive read all of BCB, but i dont recall a chapter where Daisy pushed for sex :/
I remember a chapter where Daisy bought condoms just in case, and thought about doing it but in the end decided not too. Buying condoms just in case is actually quite sensible - you dont have to use them, just have them around so that if something happens you’re prepared, or even just to practice opening them or putting them on.
now as for Daisy and Abbey - I’m in the middle.
on the one hand, reading the comic before they got together, and chapters after with at loose ends and sensible precautions, Daisy obviously cares A LOT about Abbey. I’ve never felt like she was using him as a replacement - she obviously enjoyed being with him for being with him, enjoyed his company and liked and admired him as a person. I’ve always seen it as she could love Abbey, but her feelings for Mike stop her other feelings developing - heck, she never even dated Augustus because she “couldn’t let go of Mike that easily”, so she must like Abbey a lot more to actually date him.
However I totally understand Abbey’s feelings here too - He actually loves her and always has. while the other characters have all had multiple love interests as the comic has changed, Abbey has always only loved Daisy, and has done since he came to Roseville. He’s obviously hurt and also angry, but he’s also trying to protect himself from falling too deep. its a case of he cant do it anymore.
i think they’re a good couple, but Daisy really oughto be talking to Abbey about this herself, not with Paulo who Abbey despises, around. I think Daisy is a good person at heart but she desperately needs to mature.

Kay March 15, 2014, 4:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #277124

it annoys me how many problems in this damn comic could be solved by the characters just FCUKING TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
If Mike had spoke to Lucy about her poor behaviour,
If Lucy had spoke to Mike about her feelings and wanting to be better,
If Paulo had spoke to Lucy,
If Daisy spoke to Abbey,
just argh, just freaking TALK TO EACH OTHER MAN

'kin talkman March 15, 2014, 4:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #277125

As a side note, Tails I am very touched that part of your argument was about your concern about how I sleep at night. It’s irrelevant to anything on BCB and is really just a red herring thought sure, but I feel I need to address this to you personally since this isn’t the first time you’ve worried about me.

To answer you, I sleep quite soundly at night. No insomnia here. :smirk:

Lickit&stickit March 15, 2014, 4:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #277126

@graceful serenity
interesting post, I agree!

Kay March 15, 2014, 4:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #277127

I think the main problem here ,is that everyone is using their past experiences to dictate their judgment of the situation . So let’s not try to bring our past situations to validate what they should or shouldn’t do.
For example : most people have had a break up in one point or another and that has change how they view relationships , which is all well and good.

But just because it happen to you doesn’t mean it will be the same with another person , that’s why the best course of action is to let it play out , without getting involve .

Paulo should have help daisy see what she did wrong and learn from Paulo’s own mistakes with Tess , Rachel , Jessica , Jasmine , and ultimately with Lucy, but instead of learning , he just keeps making the same immature mistakes and lets his feelings at the current time overshadow his intentions and it’s this kind of behavior that I think daisy is picking up and using it because she figures that if Paulo’ is doing it then that’s how relationships should be .

Now Paulo WANTS to help daisy and that’s what a good friend does, but just because you want to help someone doesn’t mean that you are the correct person to do it and frankly right now he is just doing more harm than good.

And what’s worse is that Daisy can get attention and a relationship from any guy in the series if she gets her confidence back. meaning abbey feels that even after a year of being with daisy he is still being view the same way as when they first started dating and he is feeling like he is nothing special to daisy .
But daisy is seeing abbey’s love for her as her crutch to helped her get her confidence back, and help her see that she is indeed capable of being wanted .
And I think abbey knew that , but he thought that after awhile daisy would fall for him the same way he fell for her but
Unfortunately abbey wasn’t counting on how strong daisy’s feelings for mike were and right now he decided that it was best to break it up , mainly because he realize that the way things are right now .. Those feelings she has weren’t going to change .

Now does that make Daisy a bitch? No, I mean. She wants a simple relationship you know like , hanging out , having fun and maybe the occasional hanky panky and she is entitle of wanting that and she should enjoy herself, and learn about life and love at her own pace , what she is not entitled to is force a guy to be with her just because she thought it was nice . And completely disregard the other parties feelings about the matter .

Remember it takes two to tango and if one person in the relationship feels that it won’t work out but are still force to stay in the relationship .then it’s going to end in heartbreak at the end

and also You can’t force anyone to stay in a relationship just because you think they make a good couple , that’s letting your wants and needs overshadow the actual needs of the individuals involved . Phew that was long … In any case … Sorry for the wall of text ^\\\\^”’

SeaRiver March 15, 2014, 4:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #277128

I’m honestly not sure where this is heading right now..Daisy and Abbey should NOT be together again. It’s clear that Abbey knows about daisy still liking mike… And then again you can tell she’s still interested in mike so why bother getting together?

idk uhm March 15, 2014, 4:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #277129

@Lickit&stickit
Now you are humoring me with your distregarding of my point just because you are too lazy and instead try to put me in a bad light for not rewarding you for your laziness.

Tails March 15, 2014, 5:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #277130

For those of whom are on Paulos side…..You’ve never been in a romantic relationship, HAVE you?

Not only that but Abbey has every right to not be with Daisy. He wants something more than just “it is nice” and she is obviously loving someone more than him. That sets a relationship up for massive failure if they don’t see eye to eye on something like that.

Lolly March 15, 2014, 5:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #277131

@Tails

Oh, look a comment! Did you make a point yet? Nope. Same old same old.

You have yet to bother past a copy-paste job and your petty remarks about me ruining the comment section by having a valid argument (unlike you) or not sleeping at night with my horrible thoughts.

Please tell me more about how I’m the lazy one. 8-)

And thank you @lolly the main pro-Paulo side probably hasn’t ever been in a relationship. To think an outside party has right to intervene on a person’s decision to break up.

As for Daisy, some people just like to settle on people they don’t love. That’s sad, but okay so long as they are with another complacent person that doesn’t care. But if someone wants better than that, you can’t force them to stay with your, “I sorta maybe like you.”

Lickit&stickit March 15, 2014, 5:43 PM EST.

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Posting dictionary definitions (to a small out of context snippet) is an outright lazy copout to this debate and honestly has nothing to do with it. What are you even trying to point out here @Tails ? We all know what it means to want.

Yes want is a thing, it’s the reason every Disney princess film ever has a “I want” song, the modus operendi of what the protagonist wants out of life, or their main concern at this point in the story.

But wants are selfish inherrently, because generally wants are about what the self wants, and not about others needs. That said wants are a natural thing, and don’t have to be bad. Long as they are tempered with a certain level of selflessness or consideration for others.

Daisy is very much welcome to state her wants, but unlike any other want she could set (I want a job, I want that nice dress in the shop,. I want to be a successful doctor) - this one isn’t just down to her making it happen. Relationships consist of two people, not one. If one wants it, but not the other? Tough luck bub. Abbey’s got just as much right to decline and walk away.

In fact the healthest thing you can do in a relationship is set goals or boundaries. By stating what is acceptable to you, and what isn’t, you avoid letting yourself feel personally let down later by settling for less than what you actually wanted. Everyone is different as this chapter shows. Some people are happy to be casual, some want true love, and some are just not looking at all, or saving themselves for the right person.

But…heres the thing, in a relationship, you *both* need to share the same mindset, otherwise sooner or later someone’s gonna get hurt. If one party decides what they are getting out of the relationship is no longer what they want - they have every right to review and say “I’m not personally comfortable with this/I’m not happy in this relationship anymore. Sorry”

Even if they were okay with the terms set at the beginning, even if they maybe willingly ignored the big red flags. Everyone makes mistakes. I’m not sure what you think Daisy will gain from forcing Abbey to play house till she’s ready to move on @Tails - that might be okay for her now, but Daisy naively assumes she can have everything like it was before. The reality is that the relationship she supposedly wanted so much, ended the moment she decided to blab about Mike. It will never be the same again, even if Abbey sidesweeps it, or they even talk it out.

Abbey will always be cautious, afraid of what she really feels (because hey, she did such a super job of conveying her true feelings while sober right?), and generally miserable because he knows he’s not happy in that situation. Daisy will be desperately unhappy regardless, because she will quickly find the days of hand holding, running thru the meadow and all the happy couple things she enjoyed with Abbey before won’t actually be there. It’ll be (at best) a hollow, lifeless, imitation of what it once was.

jennytablina March 15, 2014, 5:57 PM EST.

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@ Lickit&stickit You started raging the second I said I didn’t agree with you. I was going to say how can you say want is selfishness. That means abbey is a selfish *** because he doesn’t even WANT to give her a chance to start over. If he was able to just drop off his feelings for Daisy I guess he didn’t love her that much as well. I look and feel for both abbey and Daisys side of there problems. Abbey not being loved Daisy not being able to move on. Paulo is indeed butting in but not once has Daisy asked him to do anything for her about this. He is just getting in the way because he cares for Daisy. It was a good plan that obviously went wrong and is now as I thought spiraling out of control. And it’s only natural for Daisy to want to try and get back with abbey. He was someone who actually cared for her and wanted to be with her. Just ware at all have I said that any of what is going on is right? I even said paulo should be telling Daisy what he is telling abbey. There are good intentions of what’s going on but poorly executed was it. I remember you saying you like to fight for the underdogs once. So why aren’t you trying to defend Daisy at least a little? Maybe you could stop spitting on people’s opinions and believes and play a little nicer? And I only ship the one true pairing Mad Lucyx :unsure:.

Blue fox March 15, 2014, 6:13 PM EST.

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@Blue Fox “That means abbey is a selfish *** because he doesn’t even WANT to give her a chance to start over. If he was able to just drop off his feelings for Daisy I guess he didn’t love her that much as well.”

This is simplifying the situation too much really. *Both* Abbey and Daisy want different things, Abbey wants to break up and move on, Daisy wants things as they are. Just because he’s made the decision to walk away doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. In fact part of the reason he’s simply walking away is *because* he cares and respects Daisy’s true desires. Yes it’s selfish, the difference is that he did consider Daisy’s feelings, and even stuck around (as this is apparently weeks after the party, not days) , he tried to make it work, but all it was doing was making him feel worse.

As for second chances, those should be earned, not given. You only get a second chance if you can actually show you are working on, or have solved the problem that caused the issue. Daisy hasn’t even bothered to investigate what happened at the party nor what she said, or actually thought about her honest feelings in all of this. While Abbeys been upfront and honest with her about his.

jennytablina March 15, 2014, 6:36 PM EST.

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*last panel* BUUUURN!!!

Higuera March 15, 2014, 7:05 PM EST.

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@ jennytablina but it’s better when things are simple. I’m not saying he did it in a complete waste of time there was definitely something between them. And I think abbey Dose still love Daisy but he is smart enough to not make himself suffer like you said by staying with someone who doesn’t love him. Which would only make him not like her more. I don’t blame him for what he did. Daisy second chance is if she can say she loves abbey and get over mike.

Blue fox March 15, 2014, 7:05 PM EST.

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@Blue fox
&
@Tails

I find the grasping at straws to be humorous, you two never come up with a good argument and then try all kinds of excuses or cop-outs when getting slammed with facts or well though out arguments.

It baffles me you can’t see all those flaws and mistakes in your arguments (if they can even be called that) since they have no point or it is so vague it has no substantial relevance whatsoever.

Certio March 15, 2014, 7:07 PM EST.

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I can see Abbey’s reasoning but it’s still sad to see Daisy like this…

WellAlright March 15, 2014, 7:16 PM EST.

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I agree with @Lickit on this, I’d feel horrible if the woman I was with had feelings for another guy whilst dating me. And I fact, the same thing happened to me recently, and I did the exact same thing. People really need to stop the flame warring and blind, stupid shipping and look at the bare facts. One of which being that Abby and Daisy, no matter what happened in pages past, dont love eachother anymore. And Paulo is making a proper mess of the situation by playing “big brother” to Daisy.

That Jedi Guy. March 15, 2014, 7:25 PM EST.

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@Certio

Or you know, they say I’m ruining the entire discussion, when they’ve yet to add to it past, “You’re just wrong. i’m not going to talk about it or put forth a decent rebuttal. But I don’t like you or your stance. Grr face. Mad Lucy

They’re really just struggling to find anything good to refute my earlier 7 points. Notice they still haven’t. Heck I don’t think they can even if they were better debaters.

Daisy and Paulo look awful trying to force Abbey to accept someone he doesn’t want to be in love with anymore. And their method to do it was so rushed, insulting, and tacky.

@Bluefox

Daisy isn’t an underdog. She doesn’t even have a reason to be upset at Abbey because she brought this on herself. By the way she treated him, the way she disregarded her screw-up at the party, and the way she is treating Abbey and addressing this issue surrounded by bystanders now.

I also don’t think I can make a good argument for Daisy. I don’t think she should be excused from her behavior. I think she needs to be dumped so she can learn to be more empathetic or at least more accountable for her actions. Particularly, I want her to stop being so pig-headed when she has literally put herself in this situation and double-screwed herself by soiling her own chance to fix this mess by not using her noggin or being a considerate human being to Abbey.

Lickit&stickit March 15, 2014, 7:56 PM EST.

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@WellAlright

Daisy brought it all upon herself, and she can’t blame others than herself.
This happened because she took Abbey’s affections for her for granted.
If she really did love Abbey, then she wouldn’t have a big problem getting over Mike since he has already multiple times told her he has zero romantic interest in her.
But instead she has resorted to guild tripping or peer pressuring in order to get Abbey back, which is the epitome of selfish and childish behavior.
Which also invalidates all her attempts at being viewed as a mature person.

Daisy’s being a big baby about Abbey’s dislike for being considered only second best.
He only wants to go all-in or not at all, but he also expects the same in return, but since Daisy either can’t or won’t do that due to her still lingering crush for Mike, then he decided to cut his losses before it became a even bigger mess.

Herod March 15, 2014, 8:10 PM EST.

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@ Certio now tell me why I should care? Why I should just go along with the crowd and not stand up for my beliefs and what I think as crazy and ridiculous as they are? What if I just can’t except certain thoughts about what some think is fact? What’s the point of your post? It’s funny because your just trying to make fun of two people speaking there mind and refuse to just believe what there told. And if you got a cheap laugh out of it then your welcome. Abbey and Daisy however will not be doing any laughing any time soon. I still think they are done as a relationship. It was nice but not ment to be.

Blue fox March 15, 2014, 8:14 PM EST.

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Abbey in panel five : Damnit, guys, where the hell is my neck?
Panel six: Oh, there it is- THOSE EYES

TheScarletTailedFox March 15, 2014, 8:26 PM EST.

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@ Lickit&stickit your 7 points came after my post so they were not the problem. There were like two or three that I didn’t agree with I think. I just can’t agree with you saying want is selfishness. That’s like you saying people have no obligation to do anything to me again.

Blue fox March 15, 2014, 8:34 PM EST.

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@SeaRiver
Wow, that was a long and very interesting post. Well done.

Tails March 15, 2014, 9:11 PM EST.

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“1) How is it not selfish for Daisy to expect, and try to get Paulo to threaten and enforce, a relationship that Abbey wants out of?”
She never wanted paulo to do that and propably didn´t expect the current outcome of it.

“2) How is it not rude that Daisy and Paulo did this in the middle of a FULL classroom to embarrass the **** out of Abbey in front of his peers? Paulo just screamed that Abbey could never be loved by anyone but Daisy. Oh but, LOL, just so you random bystanders know, Daisy’s doesn’t love dating Abbey. He was merely “nice” enough to want back.”

It´s only Paul who is the loud one. Also, if you seriously think it would be more important what random bystanders think of you then the actual topic, then you must have a really low self esteem.

“3) How is it appropriate that Paulo is involved in this conversation AT ALL? This is between Daisy and Abbey.”
He is involved because he is the only one of the group who actually can empazise with BOTH abbey and daisy, because he was/is already in a similar situation from both sides ( once with Tess -he wanted more from her, but she not- and now with Rachel - who is btw coping way better than Abbey does). Also, he also comes from a broken family, so he has some kind of insight into Abbeys thoughts and feelings.

“4) How is Abbey a villain for wanting a loving relationship with Daisy? No matter his age?”
He is not a villain, both are just wanting something different.

“5) How is it fair for Daisy to get what she selfishly wants, a temporary ****-buddy and/or male affection that she could get from literally ANY guy?”
She never once implied that she just wants him as a ****-buddy and i really have no clue why you still are hanging on this thought. Did it never cross your mind that it was just Daisys way to show that she is slowly getting ready for something more serious with him?

“6) Why does Abbey have to sacrifice his time and forget about his REAL feelings knowing that she loves someone else? And that she has never denied this fact when he called her out on it?”
Well, to be fair, he did that the whole last story-year. And you still don´t know if they are really his real feelings, because it could also be that he was just projecting his feelings for his mother onto Daisy, because he maybe sees a lot from the traits of his mother in her.

“7) Why does the fact that they are in high school mean that they all have to be casual ****-buddies and never expect or want something serious from anyone?”
Why do you always reduce it just to these 2 states?? There are not just either “****buddies” or long-time-relationships, the faccetts of it are way wider than you think. For that i will now quote one of the links that i already have posted (the ones you were too lazy to look at:
“..the majority of dating adolescents in high school do not fall in love. They don’t experience in a single relationship that magical match that includes: sexual attraction, mutual enjoyment, emotional knowing, social compatibility, sensitive consideration, physical affection, friendship feeling, and romantic excitement all combining to create a sense of caring, commitment, and completeness that make the other person the only one for you. This experience is reserved for a comparative few…Life changing is how “in-love” feels in adolescence because it is a far more moving and compelling relationship than the young people have known before.”
and
” ..the reality is that most high school in-love relationships do not survive. They fall out of love or cannnot bridge the separation that graduation brings, when separate paths diverge, new directions are taken, and fresh opportunities and challenges open up.”
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/surviving- your-childs-adolescence/201206/adolescence-and- falling-in-love

And it´s true, teenagers often need time to figure out if it is love or just an affection and what they want and expect from a relationship. Some people figure it out faster (like Abbey) and others need time (like daisy) or to date more often. Yes, there are cases where it directly works out with the first teenage-love, but that is rather rare and not the norm amongst teenagers (but i have to note that it differs from country to country).

Tails March 15, 2014, 11:18 PM EST.

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Judging from the family atmosphere that Abbey grew up in, with just his own parents as examples of what couples are like, I don’t find it selfish of him at all to want a healthy and loving relationship with someone who actually cares enough to say ‘I love you.’ And encouraging someone to settle for someone else because they likely won’t get anything better later on is the peak of assholery. :nope:

Alamoraine March 15, 2014, 11:22 PM EST.

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@Kay, when they were drunk, she kinda suggested it (then again, she was DRUNK for everyone’s sake), in the beginning of this chapter, she suggested that they go somewhere alone (you can guess what that mean; or something like that, course, she could’ve also meant just to hang out although I doubt it)

TheScarletTailedFox March 15, 2014, 11:46 PM EST.

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Sweet mother of-we still have three weeks left to wait for the last nine pages. RRRR…also, does Abbey’s hair reminds anyone else of Maple leaves, or is that just me?

TheScarletTailedFox March 15, 2014, 11:49 PM EST.

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Bit late to the ‘discussion’ here but oh well.
There’s nothing wrong with Abbey wanting a committed relationship. I doubt any of you would go out with someone if you didn’t even love them. High school students CAN have committed relationships. I met my first ever boyfriend when I was 16 and he was 15. There was no saying if things were going to work out since we met online, but two years later we’re still together.
Now I agree, a lot of high school relationships do not work out, but there are those rare people (Abbey for example) who want a committed relationship, but he’s just not going to get it while Daisy is still pining over Mike.
I can’t understand why people are taking Daisy’s side in this. She just likes the idea of dating. They are complete opposites when it comes to commitment and I think that they should just stop. Abbey clearly wants love but he isn’t going to get that from Daisy unless she finally gets over Mike and realizes that she’s being selfish.

I didn’t mean for this to get so long, or to start talking about my own personal life so I’m going to stop.

EDIT: I thought I should just add something in. I do think Daisy MIGHT actually love Abbey, she’s just having a super hard time showing it because she still has huge feelings for Mike.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Daisy she’s actually one of my favourite characters, I just think she should think more about the current situation.
I don’t know if anything I’m saying is even making sense though. I just want Abbey and Daisy to have a healthy, happy relationship where they both love each other.
I know loving someone who doesn’t love you is hard (Daisy loving/liking Mike) and those feelings will probably never go away, but as long as Abbey knows that she does love him, everything should be okay cause I seriously doubt she’s gonna try anything with Mike.
It sounds like I’m just contradicting myself but I sort of take both sides in this, I just take Abbey’s side way more.

Otoribashi March 16, 2014, 12:11 AM EST.

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@Otoribashi
I think you contradicted yourself quite a bit there.

Bon-Clay March 16, 2014, 12:25 AM EST.

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@Bon-Clay
God I know. I’ve never been good at explaining myself ._.
I take both of their sides in this, I just don’t think Abbey is wrong for wanting a loving, long term relationship.
I’m tired it’s like 4am I’m definitely not going to make any sense, please ignore my comment because I don’t really wanna get into any arguments I just wanted to voice my tired confusing opinion.

Otoribashi March 16, 2014, 12:29 AM EST.

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Uh oh.. I think Paulo made him angrier. Let’s just hope Abbey can control his anger.. :( I really feel bad for him and Daisy though… What’s gonna happen next afterwards..

Michelle March 16, 2014, 1:03 AM EST.

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Oh look! @Tails came out to play. Though, it’d make a better argument if you didn’t try to attack me throughout it. Earlier you mentioned me intentionally trying to make you look bad. Honestly if you feel that way, in those places you do that on your own. I just don’t hesitate to point it out. This is more to keep you on the topic of the story, and not on me, obviously.

1) Like I concluded with @Jonas, I admit point one is only valid if Daisy LETS Paulo continue his bitch-out for her.

2) My esteem is fine, though your confidence in your ability to argue must be faltering to bring this unrelated issue to light as part of your point. :question:

But no, it’s not appropriate to make a two-person issue a public drama, that is a pathetic way to deal with a problem. It has less to do with the bystanders and more to do with that Daisy is actually such a cowardly bitch that she won’t talk in private. Her method involves being in front of people in an attempt to corner Abbey with Paulo’s one-sided support, who actually only cares/knows about her side of the breakup and doesn’t even like Abbey to start with. Considering Paulo couldn’t even keep his cool and is insulting Abbey in front of his peers, it is WAY out of line.

3) Paulo DOES NOT LIKE ABBEY. He has even said this multiple times. He is a terrible moderator for these two. And he has only heard Daisy’s side. Thus your point is invalid. It doesn’t matter what he’s been through either because he is NOT Daisy or Abbey. Every relationship is different and he knows next to nothing about how they function other than what Daisy said happened.

“4) If you acknowledge they both want something different, why bother supporting Daisy’s attempt at all? This is the very reason they shouldn’t get back together.

5) You neglect that I included that Daisy can get what she wants, male attention, from any guy. Why not pick someone who also doesn’t want committed love (emotional or physical)?

Your point about her trying to be more serious by being pushy in the bedroom makes no sense. Unless you think “Sex means I love you!” Sex doesn’t automatically make feeling more serious for the couple. (*See couple from one-night-stand). I brought this up because Daisy knows Abbey takes her seriously and she’s been pushing this issue with him in three separate instances. (And yes he was drawn as uncomfortable in all of them)

She knows she doesn’t love him back, sees him nervous about it, yet here she is considering sleeping with him anyway. She’s so conceited that she doesn’t ever even stop to consider what it would do to him if he found out she still loved Mike after all this time AND she took his v-card. Typical Daisy only considers herself.

6) Yes Abbey did sacrifice his time for a year waiting for Daisy. This is exactly why he shouldn’t do it anymore. How more real do his feelings have to be? He’s said them, he’s displayed them, and outright acted on them. Does the author need to make a public statement about it? Abbey thinks he is very much in love.

7) Yes obviously not every teen gets serious, nor should they if they don’t want to. I exaggerated specifically to address the comments above that all stated that it was foolish for young people to chase love.

Like I said, in past chapters everyone is all up and arms over not judging sexually active teens, but HOLD ON we can’t have any teens thinking they can find serious love! NONSENSE, let’s conclude and judge that they are unrealistic! (Even though at least 6 real people have claimed on this page it worked for them.)

To counter your source, I mentioned earlier that I’ve read about a surprising study that stated young couples that meet in ranges (15-24) and get married, stay together long than the older ages. If I find it again, I’ll give you a link. Point is, this issue can easily go either way depending on the maturity of the couple in question. You can’t claim “Don’t judge” one type relationship, while judging those seeking another. It is hypocritical. (I’m not saying you did this, but many others did, which is why this was brought into my points. It was more to address the commenters.).

Lickit&stickit March 16, 2014, 1:13 AM EST.

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Just saying, but I’m starting to like how Tails and Lickit are taking Intellectual potshots at eachother. *grabs popcorn and a good view of the action* Do go on, Lads.

That Jedi Guy. March 16, 2014, 1:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #277156

So Paulo is Sweetie Belle now?

Naity March 16, 2014, 4:06 AM EST.

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To the people bashing on Abbey calling him immature, a drama queen, selfish, ignorant..
I really hope you don’t reproduce.
Until you learn what life is at least.

Angiru March 16, 2014, 4:19 AM EST.

Comment ID #277158

It’s simple. Have Mike tell her what he thinks of her. Break her heart in tiny bits and move on. XD

7 March 16, 2014, 4:22 AM EST.

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@Lickit&stickit
I read it all. All of it. God you’re an *******.

SecondGuess March 16, 2014, 4:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #277160

(≧Ω≦) all i see is jaz on the screen

TDM March 16, 2014, 4:52 AM EST.

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☽ (°ロ°)☝ any ideas for meh help? ۰۪۪۫۫●۪۫۰ (Word) ۰۪۪۫۫●۪۫۰ |̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅| |̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|

TDM March 16, 2014, 4:54 AM EST.

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Rheios March 16, 2014, 5:02 AM EST.

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OMG. I just woke an hour ago and it took me 42 minutes to read all the new things that had been commented. @Tails and @Bluefox. @Lickit is trying to get you to argue with him. He wants an argument. Be careful. However I must agree with what Lickit has to say about Daisy and Paulo unless the number 1) thing but we already agreed that it wouldn’t be valid unless Daisy doesn’t stop Paulo. We’ll have to see that in the next page upload. I’m also unclear about the sex thing and I have nothing to say about that since I don’t know much about that.

Wow. So many people mean to Tails and Bluefox. I mean they have the right to defend Daisy and Paulo as long as they can come up with something (no matter if it sounds stupid to you) to defend her with. I mean there were also people that defended Mike after December (including me although I was really late to the party). I guess they don’t want to see Paulo or Daisy ripped apart like people tried to do with Mike.

I would however like to kindly ask people not to bring up Mike/Lucy problem up since we are now discussing Daisy and Paulo. Thank you ;)

With the love about high school thingy. I believe my great grandfather met my great grandmother in high school and they later became married for 70 years. May they both rest in peace :(

Jonas97face March 16, 2014, 5:50 AM EST.

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@Jonas97face

“”Wow. So many people mean to Tails and Bluefox. I mean they have the right to defend Daisy and Paulo as long as they can come up with something (no matter if it sounds stupid to you) to defend her with. I mean there were also people that defended Mike after December (including me although I was really late to the party). I guess they don’t want to see Paulo or Daisy ripped apart like people tried to do with Mike. “”

When you go against all kinds of logic, you get treated like a bumbling fool who never learns.

Also Mike deserves the same treatment he gave Lucy since he blinded himself with rage, and even after had to get it hammered into his head that he screwed up badly.
That’s a kind of stupidity that deserves no mercy, much Like how Daisy and Paulo handles this Abbey affair.

Grams March 16, 2014, 8:50 AM EST.

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@SecondGuess

Beats Tails who dances around the argument with metaphorical and vague responses.
Which makes someone who tackles it head-on and brutal preferable, since then they’re atleast dealing with the argument(s) at hand.

Ynsol March 16, 2014, 8:57 AM EST.

Comment ID #277166

If all people are going to do is be ignorant and not care what I have to say then **** it. If I don’t agree with something then I don’t agree with it. Insulting won’t help it just shows how ignorant you are. I’m not even going to bother any more.

Blue fox March 16, 2014, 9:51 AM EST.

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I clearly support both sides of abbey and Daisys but am more out spoken for Daisy because people are making her out to be a complete piece of **** when she is not.

Blue fox March 16, 2014, 10:11 AM EST.

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@Grams:
Logic? What logic? Your logic? That’s what I read from your comment. You can’t just have one view of a certain thing (well you can but I choose not to). I find it good to be able to get many points of views of a certain thing. Tails and Blue fox are just sharing their point of views. Not saying that I agree with it but they have their rights and they don’t have to pay for it (if you know what I mean).

Also I know that Mike made a mistake and everything but that doesn’t mean that Lucy was some kind of saint. It’s not like she didn’t do anything. So don’t start with that.

Jonas97face March 16, 2014, 10:24 AM EST.

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@Blue fox
Daisy’s being called a self centered bitch because (surprise, surprise) she IS being one.
So far she hasn’t even CONSIDERED Abbey’s point of view and only focused on her own narrow “it was nice” feeling.
Such person is downright toxic to be in a relationship with, and she’ll never learn if she isn’t called out on her toxic behavior.

@Jonas97face
“”Logic? What logic? Your logic?””

The logic that dictates that when you screw up you gotta amend for it.
The same kind of logic that also says you shouldn’t blame another person when yourself isn’t guilt-free.

“”Also I know that Mike made a mistake and everything but that doesn’t mean that Lucy was some kind of saint. It’s not like she didn’t do anything. So don’t start with that.””

Actually let’s start with that, because by brushing it under the carpet it’ll never be resolved.
Because deliberately targeting another persons core mental vulnerabilities is more than just a simple mistake, that’s downright EVIL.

Lucy’s behavior were malplaced self-defence for her weak self esteem, and the fact that mike wrecked it all when she finally led her guard down isn’t just a simple booboo, that’s downright ruining any actual positive progress she’s made.

Not to mention I wouldn’t be surprised if her bullying self defence were based on Mike used her as a replacement for Sandy, that’s another low-blow for someone with the self esteem of a wet noodle.

Grams March 16, 2014, 11:07 AM EST.

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Oh Paulo, that was bloody rich :D

Friedhelm March 16, 2014, 11:27 AM EST.

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@Jonasface

What I had a problem with was @Tails and @Bluefox dancing around claiming how wrong they found everyone about this issue without ever being bold enough to add anything else. Its like showing up to a party and shouting, “This is all wrong! I am ashamed of all of you, but now I’m leaving without another word.” At this point why even bother bringing this up? It’s not like you are making any suggestions.

Whether I agree with them or not, I respect @Tails for finally putting a detailed version of their thoughts out there.

Lickit&stickit March 16, 2014, 11:47 AM EST.

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Daisy dropped the metaphorical ball, and then Paulo kicked it into Abbey’s metaphorical window and shattered it.

Gee, wonder why Abbey’s gonna be downright mad at them?

XVN March 16, 2014, 12:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277173

@Grams:
Mike used her as a replacement for a while. But then stopped after Lucy called him out. I’m not so sure that Mike knew that he was attacking her core mental vulnerabilities. Things got heated with Mike and I believe that he didn’t know what he was saying. But of course you believe that he knows what he was saying. Which is why we can never come to an agreement about it.

About the logic thing. You mean the characters or Tails and Bluefox? If it’s the characters then I don’t care. If it is Tails and Blue fox then I disagree.

Jonas97face March 16, 2014, 12:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277174

God, Lickit and Tails really ARE Sue and Abbey. Guys, come on. We all know how this ends between you two.

Sex.

That is all.
(Totally on the crack ship of Subbey just for the fact you guys are so adorable)

Ravako March 16, 2014, 12:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #277175

I don’t get what abbey’s big deal is. So she doesn’t love you, it’s not like she is never going to love you. Some people need time, she honestly likes you and wants to go out with you, why are you trying to push for love? It’s daft, at least she’s not lying and saying ‘I love you’ for the sake of it. Though to be honest I never liked Daisy in the first place, but still Abbey shouldn’t be all girly on this.

Furansuka March 16, 2014, 2:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #277176

I don’t know why people are trying to make Abbey out to be the bad guy here. The poor guy can only take so much. Being with someone you *know* has feelings for someone else that may be stronger than the ones they have for you is tough as hell. I think he just finally couldn’t take it anymore.

Kauphy March 16, 2014, 3:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #277177

@Ravako
omg no xD

Tails March 16, 2014, 3:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277178

@Furansuka

Like 1 year isn’t enough?

There’s a point where you realize it is a waste of time since it is both a waste of time, effort and mental energy so the only wise option is to end it and just move on.
Abbey reached that threshold because Daisy didn’t even TRY to get over her Mike crush.

Doesn’t look like Abbey enjoyed being in a relationship where he knows he’s only the second best option, in fact it looks like that has taken quite the toll on him, while Daisy’s been busy only focusing on HER needs in the relationship.

Daisy might be a good friend, but she’s the definition of a lousy relationship partner, and that’s something she gotta realize, come to terms with, and then deal with before any further relationships.

Anything else is just petty selfishness from her side of.

Indigo March 16, 2014, 3:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #277179

@ Lickit&stickit once again I was not saying anything about abbey and Daisy when I said no. But if you want I will.
1) How is it not selfish for Daisy to expect, and try to get Paulo to threaten and enforce, a relationship that Abbey wants out of?
I don’t believe Daisy is forcing paulo to do anything.
2) How is it not rude that Daisy and Paulo did this in the middle of a FULL classroom to embarrass the **** out of Abbey in front of his peers? Paulo just screamed that Abbey could never be loved by anyone but Daisy. Oh but, LOL, just so you random bystanders know, Daisy’s doesn’t love dating Abbey. He was merely “nice” enough to want back.
Paulo is emotionally stressed so is no surprise he is letting his emotions get away from him. Paulo is not very rational right now as he wanted to punch mike in the face a while ago. Yes he is out of control.
3) How is it appropriate that Paulo is involved in this conversation AT ALL? This is between Daisy and Abbey.
yes paulo is putting his tail in other people’s business.
But he has good intentions none the less even if he is going about it like a upset baby.
4) How is Abbey a villain for wanting a loving relationship with Daisy? No matter his age?
Why do you think I think abbey is a villian? He has evrey right to do as he please it’s his life after all. I even said I don’t blame him for what he did by leaving Daisy.
5) How is it fair for Daisy to get what she selfishly wants, a temporary ****-buddy and/or male affection that she could get from literally ANY guy?
Yea any guy. The guys are just lining up for daisy.
6) Why does Abbey have to sacrifice his time and forget about his REAL feelings knowing that she loves someone else? And that she has never denied this fact when he called her out on it?
I didn’t say anything about abbey not doing what he wants. He has evrey right to do what he wants. It’s the same as number 4.
7) Why does the fact that they are in high school mean that they all have to be casual ****-buddies and never expect or want something serious from anyone?
neither Daisy nor abbey wanted to just be **** buddy’s. Expecially abbey. Daisy was curious about sex but was just to immuture to go through with it. Daisy and abbey were not just together for that.
Not like my opinions matter anyway. :x

Blue fox March 16, 2014, 4:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #277180

Party in comments once again. It’s Crystalzoner’s opinion time!

Okay, I see a two main conflicting sides here.

Side 1: The people who apparently think one year isn’t enough to develop feelings for anyone and are willing to die for their ship. You guys are seriously grasping at straws and it’s hard to breathe from the hilarity of it all.

Side 2: Those of you that have an actual sense of realism here and countering with actual points. Thank you. I must say I’m on this side of the argument.

What right does Paulo have to be in this conversation. I mean really! Paulo is a hard-headed guy and a skewed sense of what’s right and wrong in the field of love. If there needs to be a mediator between the two it should be someone more level-headed than Paulo. This talk between Daisy and Abbey is not something to be taken care of in the middle of class. Save it for after school if you’re going to yell at him for christ’s sakes! Also Daisy is being selfish here. It was nice, she says. It was nice?! What kind of reason is that to get back together That’s not even a valid basis. Lucy once said in a chapter to Daisy not to use him. I believe it was this page here: http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c47/p13.html
But what did she turn around and do? Used him all the while still fantasizing about Mike, even though it’s already clear what Mike thinks. Disagree with me if you want. I honestly don’t care. It’s my opinion and nobody is going to change my mind in the slightest.

And that’s the end of Crystalzoner’s opinion time. *bows*

Crystalzoner March 16, 2014, 4:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #277181

Now watch children, this is the part where Paulo’s **** is beaten.

BladeMaster March 16, 2014, 4:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #277182

This man deserves a backhand.

Syrus March 16, 2014, 4:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #277183

My bro callss David “Latino Dog” XD
He really likes him and wants there to be a chapter for knowing more about him.I don’t know if it’s been done before, but I think that would be nice, since I don’t know more about David than the adventure on his birthday and the Flower Girl thing XD

Anonymous Cat March 16, 2014, 5:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #277184

Holy **** this comment section. Kill it with fire.

Another Anon March 16, 2014, 5:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #277185

@Indigo
But you forget the important point that it´s really hard for her to get over mike when he interacts with her on a daily basis and also is one of her closest friends and that she knows him for several years now. In order to give him up she would not only have to cut down the contact to him, but also almost her whole friends circle, because basically all of her friends (except Abbey) are in rather close rather heavy daily contact and befriended to Mike too (they do not only hang out in school, but also for many out of school activities). Not to forget the many courses and classes that she got with him. Why does no one think about that?

Tails March 16, 2014, 6:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #277186

@Tails

Because this means Daisy must be strong and choose between EITHER relationship with Abbey or being friends with Mike.
And with Mike eager to be with Sandy, it wouldn’t be unlikely for him to move away to be with sandy if he gets even the slightest opportunity.

Indigo March 16, 2014, 6:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #277187

@Indigo

Selfish Daisy strikes again! Basically it means that she would have to avoid mike and only address him when Mike is present with all of her friends. Which is what? Lunch time and other people’s parties. Though Daisy organizes a lot of these get together right? Just don’t invite Mike, or make it girls only. And if you want to talk to the guys, ie Paulo, then make plans.

You get good at avoiding who you choose to avoid no matter how often you see them. If any of you have ever had a bully in homeroom, you’d know what I’m talking about.

It would just take some effort on her part. But that’s if she actually wanted Abbey over Mike. Which she doesn’t.

Also it is not uncommon in a relationship to notice if hanging out with someone makes your partner uncomfortable. You can always be respectful and limit your time with those people, provide your boo isn’t the type that’s jealous of everyone.

Lickit&stickit March 16, 2014, 7:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #277188

Also remember how there was some talk a long time ago about that everyone else would leave the table even after Lucy left and leave Mike all alone?

Yeah, this might be it with Daisy finally pulling her things together and avoiding Mike in order to preserve her relationship with Abbey.

And we all know how much Paulo likes being around Mike, so with no other left at the table that Paulo cares for, expect him to bail as well.

And with Tess planted on the bus going out of the story (partially because she’s a senior, partially because she’s originally a fan-character which Taeshi has actively been trying to write out of the story) and with Sue being a character who normally avoids the drama, well then you can see where this goes.

Indigo March 16, 2014, 7:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #277189

Can’t wait to see tomorrow’s comment section.

SnowyPaint March 16, 2014, 11:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #277190

@SnowyPaint
The next episode of “Bittersweet Comments-Bowl” will surely be very dramatic ;)

Tails March 17, 2014, 12:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #277191

Holy crud, that’a a lot of comments over mine… Anyways, back to the point:

Well, Paulo? I do believe that you’ll get your arse kicked outta the country’s frontier for that last…statement. Now now…you could save A LOT from not paying for a plane ticket! XD

Now, getting more serious: I do recall commenting (LATE beyond belief, maybe) that the AbbeyXDaisy ship just went out in a spontaneous explosion, (Me exagerating every detail about love in drama XP ) so, if you really want him back, Daze, (Really, Visitor? Cut it out…) you need a better answer that “It was Nice…”. However, since we know how Taeshi is, things are not always as they seem…but if I’m sure about something: Whatever happens, it’ll be one heckuva ride, and maybe it’ll also feel like fresh, just-produced “Jarate” (TF2) thrown right at us readers (Spy’s point of view about being soaked in it, for being accurate), thanks to these teenager cats that just know how to keep us waiting 2 days average for a new possible shenanigan (I just mentioned the comic’s logic. I demand cookie nao).

Now, LeVisitor presents…

TL,DR:
- Paulo, you get to maybe travel for free.
- Daisy, you need a better reason.
- Whatever happens, it’ll be one heckuva ride.

Extra Note: YESH. PAGE PUBLISHED ON B-DAY. :D / =D (Hope one of those makes a David face…)

EDIT: Sandy Face…eh, I’ll take it. Fits the message :P

LeVisitor March 17, 2014, 12:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #277192

That last panel = story of my life.

Frodomann1 March 17, 2014, 12:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #277193

I think that maybe Daisy’s simply trying to be with Abbey because she can’t be in a relationship with Mike. Being with someone who cares about her might be a little cushion to the fact that Mike won’t be with her.

As for Abbey’s choosing not to be with her, I think it might be that he realizes he’s probably just a cushion and refuses to be in a relationship where the love is non-reciprocated when they’ve been together for about a year was it?

On a completely related note, I’m/we’re all looking way too hard into this for a comic series.

TheTogaedHail March 17, 2014, 3:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #277194

Daisy is named after the flower, which represents the symbol of innocence, and accurately describes her as a person. It is this trait, however, that has led to her downfall time and time again. While she carries the positive traits of being a bright student who always tries to find ways to help her friends when they need help, whether her mehods are correct or not, she also carries the negative ones; where she simply fails to understand Abbey’s want of a deeper relationship than just being in one because “it was nice,” and she can satisfy her want of affection.Every time she was challenged on the matter, she hesitated, and allowed others to make decisions for her, rather than allowing herself to make her own decisions. It has gotten to the point where it seems like she is not entirely sure of what she really wants. She is not a selfish bitch. She simply lacks maturity.

Abbey is a different matter. Dating is the process of finding out whether a couple are compatible to stay together. Abbey might be foolish on thinking that he loves Daisy, or that he thinks he will find love so early in life, but if he feels that the relationship has run its course, than their is no obligation for them to stay together. They dated and one found that they were probably not compatible to stay together. The relationship will likely deteriorate, unless they stay together out of want of affection or of the hopes that they can change the other in order to force the relationship to work. Which in most cases, end up worse than if they would’ve just ended the relationship instead of dragging it out. Abbey doesn’t want this to happen. Despite his affections for Daisy (too early to say love) he breaks up with Daisy in order to save himself the pain of being in a relationship that will possibly will end badly, and to allow Daisy to step back and really take the time to figure out what it is she really wants when it comes to relationships.

Now Paulo is a hard book to read. It’s obvious he bares strong feelings for Daisy, but it is indecisive where those feelings lie. You’d think that the fact that he is trying to get yer back together with Abbey would rule out the romantic interest, but I can’t seem to shake the feeling that deep down, Paulo might be just hiding those feelings out of some fear which prevents him from doing so. Given that, he simply tries his best to make Daisy happy in whichever way possible, despite whoever else might be affected by his actions. Embarrassing Paulo in public while trying to force him back into a relationship he feels to be a dead end, is a good example of this fault.

STOTANS March 17, 2014, 4:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #277195

@ all those in the discussion:

There are arguments for both Daisy AND Abbey, but it isn’t going to help summing them all up, because as far as i’ve seen, the people in here will stick to their beliefs anyway. (And kinda all people use arguments that aren’t fully based on facts, and thus biased)

I propose that you just let it go for now (until the next page, probably) and just accept that not everyone believes the same. Heck, the comic is probably made just so that people CAN have different stances.

(I also give it a large chance that people will just go raging on me now and just continue debating this, even though every possible argument has already been given)

Thanks for listening,
Blackthifer

PS: I won’t give examples of, IN MY OPINION, biased arguments.
PPS: My general point is: just be a little more tolerant please.

Blackthifer March 17, 2014, 5:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #277196

@Blackthifer

Fair enough.

STOTANS March 17, 2014, 5:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #277197

@Blackthifer
yeah you propably are right with that.

Tails March 17, 2014, 8:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #277198

Wow Paulo was Channeling Sweetie Belle XD

BloomKitryn March 17, 2014, 8:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #277199

Well. These have been really interesting comments.

Well @Lickit. I guess we’ll see in a few hours if Daisy will stop Paulo or not. ;)

I’m really really really looking forward for the next page upload. OMG I’m so excited XD. Can’t wait D:

Jonas97face March 17, 2014, 9:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #277200

@Jonas97face
Same here, that will be fun :D (and no matter what happens, there WILL be a lot of discussion :P)

Tails March 17, 2014, 10:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #277201

man this is tiresome

it isn’t even paulos business and daisy needs to stop relying on him for this stuff :/

i would just like to see abbey shut them down
i hate to see how everyone’s circlejerking about how “wow paulo what a great guy! you tell that abbey! wow!”
but… abbey has a point and,, he did say in the very chapter they got together “That’s good enough for now” when daisy said she really likes him which was an implication of the fact that he wanted her to be able to grow to love him

the whole mike-obsession she’s got goin just isn’t cool man
she’s gotta make like Elsa and let it go

Stuffnthat March 17, 2014, 10:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #277202

It’s pretty clear from this page that they both need to be apart at least for a little while. Whether or not they mutually get back together will say a lot as to how compatible they are with each other. Daisy needs to sort out what she actually feels and Abbey needs to sort out whether or not it is ok that he feels differently about her than she does about him.

Iris March 17, 2014, 10:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #277361

I feel for Abbey. It still doesn’t even seem like Daisy gets what he’s upset about. She shouldn’t be with him just because Mike isn’t an option. On the other hand, Abbey needs to cut her some slack about the love thing. It’s not that serious…

CeJayCe March 18, 2014, 1:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #277391

what paulo said reminds me of my ex tbh

but yeah although paulos comebacks are ****ing gold abbey has a right to turn down someone that doesn’t have what he wants
i think you guys are forgetting its been a damn year if daisy doesnt love him after a ****ing year of dating him it’s a little….unreasonable??

Pirari March 18, 2014, 4:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #277655

Hey man, hey. Abbey.

You’re in HIGH SCHOOL.

You don’t have to date, obviously, but don’t get all hung up on love when you’re STILL IN ****ING SCHOOL.

…just saying. 8-)

FVK March 20, 2014, 11:43 AM EST.

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