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Comment ID #102483

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am i doin this rite

SuitCase October 9, 2010, 8:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #102488

(RAGE)I’m done assembling my Hackintosh. Fuck you Apple! You used to make great computers for pros, now you are a toy company.(/RAGE)

I’m sorry, I do it every time I see Apple logo.

corvusfrugilegus October 9, 2010, 9:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #102519

These batteries looks similar to the ones from IKEA or something

skykitty October 9, 2010, 12:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #102520

it looks correct. do u have to plug it in the wall?

Draixen October 9, 2010, 12:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #102521

@Draixen
Are you serious?

skykitty October 9, 2010, 12:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #102527

what? i’ve never seen one of those, i was just going by the box

Draixen October 9, 2010, 12:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #102536

it looks completely different from the charger on the box…

happehface October 9, 2010, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #102538

That’s probably because he’s using an australian plug instead of US one.

corvusfrugilegus October 9, 2010, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #102547

you may need an energy converter.
sometimes they have them at tech/hardware stores.

kazimierz (kazi) October 9, 2010, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #102567

Apple is blasphamy and you are the devils follower sir

Mr_Pants October 9, 2010, 2:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #102643

Apple is God, and you are worshipping idols sir T_T

sammy October 9, 2010, 6:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #102646

Actually, Apple is much closer to blasphemy since the logo is a parable for the fruit that got Adam and Eve thrown out of Eden. ^_^

ILB October 9, 2010, 7:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #102653

I like windows and Mac. For certain reasons.

HB October 9, 2010, 7:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #102658

Their gadgets are neat, no lie, but their computers are dramatically overpriced and underpowered. Enjoy paying an extra $1000 for the Apple logo.

On second thought, send your Dell computers to me and I’ll sketch the logo on for half the price.

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 9, 2010, 8:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #102748

well, the lack of viruses is a bonus.

kazimierz (kazi) October 10, 2010, 3:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #102759

I have no viruses and I run Vista.

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 10, 2010, 3:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #102784

Then you have good virus protection.

HB October 10, 2010, 3:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #102786

I use virtual console to run Ubuntu.

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 10, 2010, 4:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #102789

What?

HB October 10, 2010, 4:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #102822

Why wouldn’t you run Ubuntu natively?

A+ on missing the point of the OP guys.

Jerk, it’s more like a 10-30% premium. And what you’re paying for is not just the logo, but intangible things only Apple think to do like silent operation, 24 bit displays, (previously) reserve batteries so you can swap batteries without shutting down, ambient light sensors, sleep lights that pulsate at the precise rate of sleeping humans, magnetic power adaptor clasps that fall out when you trip over the cord, and you know things that don’t count in standard “WHAT HP COULD I GET FOR THE SAME PRICE” comparisons.

SuitCase October 10, 2010, 6:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #103145

Pwned.

HB October 11, 2010, 1:57 AM EST.

Comment ID #103153

I don’t like the interface of Ubuntu so I just use it to surf for porn, I just like the interface of Vista better and it works with everything. And if all those things are really worth the premium to you, wonderful, but it’s not enough of a compensation for me to actually consider buying one.

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 11, 2010, 2:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #103239

my Gateway 3100 had reserve batteries… I had three of them… those were the days.

Daer21 October 11, 2010, 3:50 AM EST.

Comment ID #103337

Jerk, I’m still on the fence as to whether you’re wrong or different to not prioritise those things. You know how they say cheap is expensive, implying that if you choose to skimp on things that might not seem to matter, you pay for it in the long run? I feel like Macs might be that way, only because the minor everyday things it does that are nice accumulate over time at a very rapid pace simply because we use computers so often.

To come up with some kind of patronising analogy, cheap shoes are expensive, because you’ll have to buy more bandaids for blisters and taxis to avoid a hike, and so on, but expensive shoes are cheap because you save money walking more in them. I think a Mac could be like this, because you “wear” it so often that you’re bound to run into things that will amount to that 10-30% premium pretty quickly.

Daer21, I think you mean spare batteries. The pre-unibody MBPs and Powerbooks had an internal low-capacity battery that would sustain the laptop in sleep mode for a few minutes so you could always close the lid, flip it over, change batteries, and open it back up again without skipping a beat. It’s the sort of intangible feature that would be first on the cutting room floor if Apple’s priority was cutting production costs, but it’s not.

SuitCase October 11, 2010, 8:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #103472

I’ll grant that the perks sound interesting, but I think of it in terms of “if this came as an option, would I pay extra for it?” For me, the answer is “no.” For example, I have never thought to myself that having a magnetic latch would be awesome because I’ve never broken anything like that on my PC to begin with. I get just as much wear out of a laptop without experiencing any real problems whatsoever. And to get all the things I love about my laptop on a Mac, I would have to spend more than twice what I paid for this.

So that’s my defense. Derp.

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 11, 2010, 3:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #103583

Things aren’t a problem until someone notices them, them makes an invention to fix a problem that wasn’t a problem in the first place. Mouthwash. It was invented in the early 1800’s, yet when Listerine came along, and put advertisements about how bad breath is bad, mouthwash sales soared. Why? Because nobody cared until Listerine said that it was imperative that you use mouthwash.

DritchJaul (Pyrotwister) October 11, 2010, 6:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #103765

I can only assume you guys would never aspire to own a BMW or Merc because anything more than a Toyota isn’t worth the difference.

SuitCase October 11, 2010, 11:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #103774

If I don’t need anything more than a Toyota, why should I aspire to owning a BMW?

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 12, 2010, 12:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #103807

Because you like nice things?

SuitCase October 12, 2010, 1:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #103812

I do, but not so much in the context of cars, and my laptop is already pretty nice. If money were no object I might change my tune, but I had to pay more than $300 for medication last week, not counting co-pay to both doctors and insurance premiums. It is expensive to live. :(

J. Vincero (Jerk) October 12, 2010, 2:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #103880

But even more expensive to die, but it might cut costs in the long run.

Lark90 October 12, 2010, 5:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #103887

I really think Apple is more about software, not hardware. I adore Aperture and Logic pro, and Snow Leopard is the best operating system I ‘ve used. But hardware? Oh boy, I’ve assembled a computer that overpowers mac pro in every way, AND it runes MacOS. It’s half the price. Sure the Apple design is awesome, but that is not enough. I need strong workstation for work, so… Yeah, Apple I’ll pay you for your programs, and magicmouse with aluminum keybord, but no more overpriced computer components. Or displays. Also Wacom’s Cintiq rules. No iMac “touch” is gonna change that. That’s the difference between gadget and a tool.

Corvusfrugilegus October 12, 2010, 6:29 AM EST.

Comment ID #103896

Different tools for different purposes.

I use a Mac for my video editing etc because it’s slightly more reliable, Final Cut Pro doesn’t come on PC (And it’s the industry standard so my hands are somewhat tied), and because the nub scroll thing allows me to scroll left and right along my time line which is a god send.

I use a PC for web surfing, video games, general word processing and other leisure activities, because I find that all these things work better under a windows environment. Plus, many of the tools I wish to use are PC exclusive (same reasoning for my editing on a Mac).

Back when I had an interest in such things, I ran a Linux distro as my coding and networking computer, because it was the most mailable and best suited platform for such a task.

In the same way that I wouldn’t use my spanner to hammer in a nail. Sure. It’s a heavy metallic object that could easily get the job done. But that’s not what it’s best at. So I use a hammer to do it. In the same way that I wouldn’t use a hammer to break a piece of wood. It’s just not going to do the job in the way I want it to. A saw is much better suited.

Is it more expensive to buy multiple tools? Yes. But it’s a better system in the long run when you have something that does it’s job better than anything else, doing just what it does well.

Maverik October 12, 2010, 6:55 AM EST.

Comment ID #104528

Corvusfrugilegus, the Mac Pro is a really unfair thing to use for a number of reasons. It isn’t a consumer computer and it doesn’t feel the pressure of price competition as much as the other Macs. Also, while you claim you can make up a much cheaper computer that “overpowers it in every way”, I bet you skipped over a few things. You should note that the Mac Pro uses super-expensive Xeon processors, and a motherboard chipset that allows for vast amounts of RAM, and the RAM is ECC, and it uses a more expensive type of RAM because that high capacity motherboard needs it, and so on and so on. You can definitely build a $800 PC that will beat a $3000 Mac Pro at Crysis, but it’s not a fair comparison as Crysis doesn’t see the benefits of server-grade hardware that really only shows benefits in render farms and high-end video and mathematical work, for which the Mac Pro is designed.

Also, Apple follows a pattern of starting off at a good value, then slowly declining in value until Apple revises the line again. In the PC world, there’s a new CPU on Newegg every second month. In the Apple world, a Mac gets updated once a year, and sometimes longer. The Mac Pro falls into the “hasn’t been updated for 18 months” category, but when it first came out it was in some cases cheaper than comparable Xeon systems Dell made.

If you’re going to do price comparisons, look at the iMac or MacBooks. For comparable hardware, it’s a 10-30% premium. Which is reasonable to pay for the benefits, unless you don’t care about having nice things or don’t value your time that much.

Maverik, Macs are better at all of the above things you cited.

SuitCase October 13, 2010, 7:38 AM EST.

Comment ID #104532

@Suitcase: I know what I’m talking about. I use one 4core Xeon right now - with Nvidia NVIDIA Quadro FX as a GPU, and 12 Gigs of DDR3 RAM. It’s still cheaper. I’m NOT comparing MacPros gaming abilities to the PC gaming Rig - I don’t run games on this setup (Quadro is not a good gaming choice) I use this ‘Hackintosh Pro’ for DTP, and Audio editing, (also for drawing and editing graphics). It runs Snow Leopard, and it never failed me.
I agree that portable Macs and iMacs are less expensive, and there is not much difference in price between them and better PC’s - and the difference in performance is noticeable. But I miss Apple as a PRO- oriented company.

Also - if you want to compare the price look at the HP workstations.

corvusfrugilegus October 13, 2010, 7:57 AM EST.

Comment ID #104685

My point is: Apple knows that the ability to work under OSX environment is worth the price. Therefore they overprice MacPro components - that’s because in most cases the COMPANY is paying for the workstation - not the artist himself. They forget, that in some cases though - we have to buy our tools ourself.
It’s all about money. And I understand that. They know that millions of people worldwide will buy Apple iGadgets - they are fun to use. But they tend to forget that they have strong community of people who use Macs for work. And they need to be reassured that they are not forgotten by the Mighty Apple. In other words: APPLE DROP THE PRICE on the pro stuff instead of rising it up. Couse some of us actually care about how much are we going to pay for it. Also abandoning the Quadro GPU is a mistake. It is a card for pros and for pros only, replacing it with 5870 (or other gaming -oriented GPU) will not buy you new customers. Do you know anybody who buys a MacPro for gaming? I don’t think so.
I think i’ve been misunderstood. I don’t hate Apple. I am just a little confused.

corvusfrugilegus October 13, 2010, 2:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #104702

Apple doesn’t give a crap about the Pro market anymore. It barely cares about the consumer Macs. I think you’ll continue to be neglected.

Still, I recall when the last two (the only two!) revs of the Mac Pro came out, there were comparisons against similarly priced Dells and HP workstations where the Mac came out only a few hundred more expensive or a few hundred cheaper. Obviously, things have changed now, but as I said, the Mac Pro is a terrible example to use in trying to prove that Macs are expensive because it doesn’t have a lot of competitive pressure, and it hasn’t been updated for ages.

Maybe this wasn’t your point, but I assumed you were saying “Macs are unreasonably expensive, see my Mac Pro dilemma for an example.” The truth is instead “Consumer Macs are usually less than a third more expensive, and are sometimes at parity when first revised, and the Mac Pro is a dated piece of shit that Jobs forgot about.”

SuitCase October 13, 2010, 2:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #104707

I totally agree.

ALSO, I still love my old Mac:
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And my iPhone.

But…
I did not buy MacPro when I needed to. And I know there is more of us (completely rejecting Apple or assembling a Hackintosh). So… Yeah, that’s it.

corvusfrugilegus October 13, 2010, 2:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #104715

My experience with a Hackintosh is that it’s a lot of fucking around and things break. It’s not that bad if you pick the right things, but I feel like it is really ruining a lot of the point of having a Mac, which is “never think about the OS”.

I have tons of Mac problems (with their laptops, which I think are very badly made Apple or not) but it’s never OS X. Yet whenever I’ve done an OSX86 install, I spend so much time reading tutorials and tweaking drivers and managing what updates I can and cannot install that it becomes a horrible mess, and I end up feeling like I’m maintaining a Windows or Linux installation. That’s not why you want a Mac.

SuitCase October 13, 2010, 2:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #104742

Like I said I’ve never had a problem with OSx86. It’s stable. Updates work (sic!). But you have to be very careful about choosing components. And basic programming skills are useful. Also - it takes time. After that - it’s like using a normal mac. I had to ‘think about OS’ once. That’s all.

Of course experiences may differ. Now when everything works - I tend to forget that that is not a mac. Even “about this mac’ shows ‘Mac Pro’ in the description. But I know- many people are annoyed by that kind of problems. For me building that computer was an investment. But for other stuff than work i still use iMac and old PowerBookG4.

corvusfrugilegus October 13, 2010, 3:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #104753

One more thing - I wonder - will you update Bombastic Bunny in the future? Or is it dead? I really enjoyed it.

corvusfrugilegus October 13, 2010, 3:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #105465

I have some ideas, but not the time or inclination. Maybe soon. I want to write one about this status board project I’m working on, and eventually one on how to make a webcomic popular\profitable.

SuitCase October 15, 2010, 3:43 AM EST.

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