Bittersweet Candy Bowl

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Have some Oh Snap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A5MM9XBGT8

sorry xu-kitty you are shitposting and must be banned/ you need to make threads with titles like “favorite ice cream manufacturer” to redeem yourself and be accepted get going

This video will change your life, it sure did mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8

CaptainBaconMan:

That song has the potential to be the next Rick Roll.

We’re no strangers to Jesus’s love, you know ten commandments and so do I.

CaptainBaconMan:

I can relate to that. I talk to Jesus a lot at school. He plays bari sax in the band.

@whf:
No.

@ilb
i was raised as a christian but now i pretty much believe there is a god but i don’t follow any religion and i’ll quote Albert Einstein for my reason “science without religion is lame but religion without science is blind”. though my main problem is that A) the bible says the world is only about 4000 or so years old.(theres evidence that the world is in fact about 5 or so million years old) B) they say god only made TWO people in eden and that they were the same race. (where the hell did everyone else come from then?)
besides quite a few religions nowadays have been twisted by at least one group example: the bible was twisted by European royalty who didn’t like what the book said and had it edited at least 3-4 different times.
some people also think Jesus wasn’t known as the son of god till around 400-900 years after his death (conspiracy theorists say the European churches voted to make a guy out to be the son of god and thus they found “evidence” that Jesus Christ was gods son who died for our sins if we believe in him and everyone else goes to hell.) i neither know nor care if this is true or not cause i’m too apathetic to care.
as for why i still believe in god its cause the world WAS a work of art (we can thank pollution and deforesting for fucking that up) i don’t think it was chance that it was made like that.

So much has been added and cut out of that book over the years i wouldent be suprised if they find a lost cook book chapter one day

lol

I have a copy of the Apocrypha.

christ loaf, Mix three cups sins with 2 parts redemption, leave to bake in the sun for three days and enjoy

@jerk
so you have a copy of season 3 of the x-files?

I guess some poeple would worship that

Snooths you have destroyed my faith

@Goldwulf Q. Triplesexy - You can find anything at the Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar, the Underworld cookbook.

But about religion, well i am Catholic (or chaotic? jaja) and my GF it’s Atheist. And so she have her opinions and i have mine. And we live great!. See, there is no problem between religions. If god teaches something is to love and have peace, but sometimes a lot of believers and so, not believers, make a lot of stupid moves.

I don’t say that religion it’s bad or good, that’s only for ourselves. You see, i believe in my religion in a different way that my creed marks (concepts like hell, god, and stuff). The bible it’s just a big book that teaches lessons, of how people live and we can learn o we can use it as log for a fire, it’s our choice.

And yes, catholic church have made a lot of mistakes, and yes it needs to advance more and to be at hand with science. To declare when it’s defeated, and when wins not to blabbing a lot. Just to live in peace. Moral comes from us, not form a book. If Jebuz (it’s not a misspelling) teach something, good! If you don’t believe, Good! Just don’t kill your neighbor and be a good friend.

I laugh at my religion, and so i don’t care. Even i recognize other religions and respect them because i had known so many people that believes in another stuff. They’re annoying sometimes? Yes, i must admit. Every religion can be annoying when they try and try and try to convince you when you say kindly “No, thanks”. There is no need to do that, if you believe or want to change your faith, good! If you don’t, please have respect.

With god, or without him (or her? why not) We must be open minded people. Because when we close our eyes, our ears and our minds, everything will rot away and may be we don’t even notice.

Open your mind, and everything mus be thanked and processed, as we believe and as we feel.

BTW: I did something a while ago to present this point (With help of FSM) if you want you can find it HERE.

That’s my humble opinion.

WHF became a spambot?

read sandra and woo or ill get eatengerndfjgf

If I trade you while you’re holding a Spam Stone, will you evolve into Conficker?

good one

I’m wiccan which is something I said on the IRC of BCB at one point and a troll asked a question which I never answered. He asked “Did you actually become wiccan because you believe in it or did you think hurr hurr Witchcraft is cool?”
I would say I was born into a wiccan family so basically it was due to belief since my Mother taught me to believe that even though she did not force it on me.
Though I am a man of science and study physics, but I am still a strong believer in the spiritual world. I’m weird like that =P

Not really mate. I’m not the most religious person out there, but a certain degree of spirituality is necessary. For some it’s a certified organised religion. For others a NRM (or rather what are recognised as so). And then there’s people like Khalil Gibran who had a collection of beliefs from various religions. Regardless of some people being men and women of science there is that need to have a belief which we don’t understand, even if subconsciously. So it’s not weird at all.

I have mormans calling me, knocking on my door, and talking to me. Do you know how hard it is saying no to them? It’s like bitch slapping your grandma. They’re gods perfect people. I can’t see a single problem about them. I already have my own view about god and the world, but they keep trying to convert me. This is what I hate about religion, because every time I drop a hint, they always call back in 3 months. No exception.

That’s the thing about bitch-slapping your grandmother: you should only have to do it once. If they’re as polite as you say, then politely telling them “no” once should stop the awkward calls entirely, no?

I say no, I’m not intrested once, and they say sure. They call me three months later.

Then they’re not so perfect after all that they can make their life choices and respect yours too. It’s…I want to say that it’s condescending, like you can’t be expected to make the right decision, so they have to be persistent about making you see things their way, the “I know what’s best” attitude. For me, everybody gets a free pass the first time. I gradually lose respect after that.

True dat, J.
Then they open their mouths, and there it goes, right out the goddamn window.

Believe in yourself first. After that, believe in whatever else you want to believe in.

Ahh, but the point of most religions, especially Abrahamic ones, is NOT to belive in yourself:

That there’s “something wrong” with you that can be “felt”—- and even though logic or science says there’s no difference between those who don’t and those that claim to have it, they’re reeeeealy sure it’s there, and it’s good to belive it’s there, just in case it MIGHT be right. And good news, the special group that also just told you that you have it (because regardless of whether you belived in it before or not, *they*’re positive and insist that *you* have it, and all your problems *are* because of it) also know how to get rid of it. Because some time ago, a very special person was merciful enough to tell everyone the one HONEST and TRUE story (because of something that happened looooooooong ago, even though you neither had anything to do with it, nor is there ANY evidence that it ever happend (but you can trust them that it happened because they told you to trust them); it’s YOUR burden to bear) and the answers to how to overcome with it.

Now, what part of that DOESN’T describe, say, Origional Sin…

….or Body Thetans.

okay remind me what idiot started this thread again? *scrolls up* Jerk started it, figures *heavy sigh*

Hence why you should believe in yourself first. Because if you do that, you probably won’t believe in any religion.

Uhh, other way around:
If you belive in yourself (perice the heavens, all that good stuff), then you wouldn’t need (or bother with) religion.

I mean, like, a popular answer religious people give is that “they wouldn’t be as good people without Jesus”, or a tirade about how “they” (the omnipotent “others” mentioned in any propaganda) would kill and rape without the Law of God—

Now, to a well-educated mind, the first shows doubt in oneself that they can be a good person. The classic “devil & angel” conscience:
IE; if you need an angel, or GOD; if you have to be told what the right thing to do is, not to do evil, or how to be a good person…. well, maybe that person is right that they suck as humans.
The second shows a lack of faith in humanity.

I probably misspoke (mistyped). It seems though, Kitty, you’re on the same page as I am. Religion is unnecessary guilt trip. Original sin is a joke. I mean really, you inherit a sin from some guy that has so many “greats” before grandpa that you would have to come up with a new word just to truncate it. Then some god impregnates a woman just so he can be sacrificed to save you from sins, one of which is that “original sin” in order to keep me from being condemned by said god.

that and the story of Jesus is so damn close to Mithra’s that if someone tried to do that today they’d be sued for plagiarism.

*nods*

Also, was saving this for ILB’s return, but I’ll post it now- specifically, repsonding to the “Hitler/pol pot/stalin were atheists, so I’m right for beliving in jesus, so there” argument
Well, besides that there’s more that suggests that hiler was some idisyncratic form of catholo-chrisitan more than he was an atheist:
Even if they were:
What was their motivation for killing?

Every religiously motivated murder was exactly that, religiously motivated; “It’s OK, even good, for you and me, that I kill you in the name of god, because god says so.”
Ref: that video I posed earlier of the jews in the aushwitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A5MM9XBGT8 -ie; Is “God” (if he exists) good to begin with, to have any authority to say what is good?

Now, what about the rather old and already refuted argument that athesim was to blame for those regiem’s murders?
Again, what was the motivation? “It’s good that I kill you because I am an atheist”?
No, if you actually study those cases, then that’s clearly not the answer.
In each of those dictatorships, it was, in fact, a “Faith”-based initative. Arguably, not of the Abrahamic type, but still similar to any religious faith: ie: belief in some sort of grander entity that, by definition, was superior to any other, in spite of the lack of evidence to it: ie: Hiter killed Jews, Roma, Gypsies, gays, a-social people, because he had faith that the Aryan People would benefit from it, the other two to the State they represented, just as any religious killer represents the gods they stand for: “It’s good that I kill you in the name of the State, because the state said so.”

Additionally, consider the practical applications of “Church” and “State”, as they would apply to nomands in circa-6,000 BCE: it gives a sense of social order and law and may also have socio-economic and military roles—— and both are not natural parts of the world, but purely human inventions (ie: if humans dissapeared, gravity would still exist, but “The United States” would not).
This further connects my argument above.

FInally ILB’s statement that “There’s more proof of Jesus being a real person than there is of the existence of Julius Caesar, Plato, Socrates, Vergil, Archimedes and King Leonidas combined”
Outright false in most of those names, but Ironically true in some others (like the philosiphers, plus add Cofuscious and Siddarta/Bhuddah), as in that the most evidence across the board for those figures is that they are amaglamations of various thinkers of that time, united in that school of thought, and that as a literal, actual, single living person; they did not ever exist.

I even got the (faaaaaaaaaaaaaabulush) son of a preacher-man to admit that that last case is a possibility: “So Jesus may have been alot of people mixed into one.” (FYI: Did I make him commit blasphemy there?) “So what?”
Weeeeeeeeeell, when your belief is that the New Testament is LITERAL HISTORY, then you have to belive that the new testament is literal history. Otherwise, you can’t claim to be Chrsitian if you don’t belive Christ literally existed, and literally died for your sins. Otherwise, the whole thing is kinda pointless, isn’t it?

FYI: Christians, by definition, have to believe in human sacrifice of innocent blood as reasonable means of “posting bail” for someone else’s crimes:
A: Jesus was human and (as the Son of God and as God Himself) the most Good person ever.
B: Jesus was sacrificed to pay for our sins.
A+B=C
C: It was a human sacrfice of a good person (by himself, to himself) to pay for “not as good” people’s preceived errors.
If a Christian doesn’t belive that, then they just admitted they don’t belive in several core tennants of any and all Jesus-centric religions.

Bravo Kitty. Bravo.

Just so everyone is sure upon my stance: I believe in myself first and science next.

Does science have all the answers? No.
Will science ever have all the answers? No

But sure as the sun is our star, science will always continue to find the answers.

To quote Epicurus before I head off to sleep:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Ahaha, silly atheists. You make my day like chocolate cakes and ice cream.

-@ Xu-Kitty:
Funny thing, that one. I’m not entirely sure where this whole atheism is the evil of all evils is coming from, it’s not true. The most pure evil would be the ones who know God exists, and outright deny him, and thus sons of perdition. Sons of perdition, like those of Kain, turn out to be the most destructive and rare. It’s very difficult to become one, because you have to be a believer foremost, knowing God exists, and then deny him. And by knowing God exists, I mean face-to-face almost kind of stuff.
Following that same train of thought, and I hope I make my point clear, evil pretends to be God. Evil is cunning and intelligent, often looking to wear the mask of good, God in this case, to pull and manipulate people to their cause. They’ll entice them with worldly desire, and then use the name of God to justify their actions. It makes them more effective in pulling people into the tendrils of sin and then slowly tying them down by lust (not in a sensual sense). All because Hitler used God’s name to justify his actions does not suddenly bring the entirety of Christianity or Jesus down on its own head, its Satan’s trick. The more he can mix up and brew hypocrisy, the easier it is to get people to stop believing. Atheism, in my believe, has become a by-product of evil people, not the other way around. See what I’m saying?
What I’m saying is that both of you are wrong.
Hitler was an evil guy. I don’t know if he believed in God or not, but I know what he did was evil, and that’s enough for me.
I’m not going into those other arguments bellow. Those hardly defer me from my belief, as their purely spectacle.

-@ Penultimate
I remember that argument in my philosophy class. Here’s what I got:
Agency my friend.
Choice must always be present, as well as the opposite. If there were no darkness, there would be no God. If God were to remove all that which is evil, that might be a sin within itself. All his creations must willing choose whether to follow him or not. Eliminate that choice, and God ceases to be God.

@F.I.B.
And your belief still remains speculation. Your entire argument hinges if God real, yet you fail to even argue if gods are real, let alone their existence or nature, or that it’s even YOUR god: you are working only on a flawed assuption.

And if god does exist, he already eliminated choice: Worship or die.
Correction:
Worship or suffer for eternety. And that threat was and is made quite succintly many times through the bible and history.
So, what kind of choice is that?

Further, if god exists, is he good?
The video says no already, but allow me to point out the flaw in relgiious thinking:
You claim to know god
You claim god is good
You cannot know god, only have faith
Therefore: You do NOT know if god is good.
By that, your beliefs is flawed in it’s logic.

AND you’re pretty much saying Atheism is rooted in evil. Uhm, “Thanks for the insult, fuck you too”?

Certainly, under any regime, there are those who profit, and those who’re coasting along unawares. The religion, as a business ventrue, gets tax write-offs and socio-political POWER, and the masses of congregations donate happily. Bush administration, warmongers profit, and people who happen to belive in jesus too also get alot of what they wanted (because it’s what Bush wanted for his own sake).

Now, if/since there are no gods: Who is at the top of the religion? Who’s in power, who gets the money, who’s actually giving commands?

“I’m not going into those other arguments bellow. Those hardly defer me from my belief, as their purely spectacle.”
Colossians 2:4- “Don’t listen to people who make fine arguments”
Scientologists: “Don’t listen to psychologists, thery’e actually evil luring you away from our truth whcih we have faith is correct”
Wizard of Oz (who was presented as pretty much God in the book, what with being represented by a booming voice that shook the heavens, and appearing as a thundercloud, and having his personality cult in the emerald city, and commanding an innocent girl to murder the witch (knowing her house killed the witch’s sister, he knew full well Elphaba wouldn’t give her broom willingly to Dorothy) “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Ah haaaa, silly theists….. you make this world suck a little, and cheapen it by thinking it’s some “test” for some unproven alternate dimention.

Cuz, you know, that would be a psychologists’s job, breaking someone out of a brainwashing, but the scientologists dismiss their practice out of hand just because it dissuades from the faith they hold so dear to their hearts to be true, and they entirely function from the standpoint of (whether they realize it or not)…. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ LampshadeHanging

Also: Including the evil (presumably “satanic&rdquo forces you refrenced, any arguments you can make to “prove” your god would also work on proving it was aliens all along, or it was whatever forces-that-be that Lycinder-Rabbit follows, and not the (your) Abrahamic spirits.

ie; Lord Xenu and the Serpent at Eden.

Wait, were you claiming that “jesus was human and was sacrificed, therefore it was a human sacrifice” is SPECULATION??

Uh, no it is not, I hope that’s not what you were saying, cuz…. that would be prettttttttty dumb, cuz that was statement of fact, dude- if chrisitanity is true, by admittance of christianity, and is THE DEFINING MOMENT of chrisitanity:
The background to the forum is light blue.
Jesus was an actual human.
Oliver’s the admin/designer of this site, Taeshi’s the Author of the Comic.
Jesus was sacrificed.
This is the sites’s forum.

Therefore:
The crucifixion was human sacrifice.
Oliver made the forum’s BG to be blue (obviously with Taeshi’s input/OKing at some point).

Half of those, if even one of those someone didn’t belive, then what’d they be doing on this forum?
The other half, if even one of those they didn’t belive, then what would they be doing claiming to be christian?

If not; how was it NOT human sacrifice? Was Jesus not human, or was he not sacrificed? Those are the defining criteria you’d have to argue—- and by arguing either, then they are not true christians, for they do not belive in the human existiance or sacrifice of jesus, which is, again, the whole point.
If not, then who had the final say on what the forum’s colors are? Did ninjas kidnap Oliver and Taeshi and force them to make the comic?

Are you a bad enough dude to rescue Oliver & Taeshi??

Also, someone misquoted EInstein earlier:
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” as though it helped prove that Albert Einstein was religious and believed in their God. Nevermind what it actually meant, and nevermind what the word ‘religion’ meant to Einstein.

Relgion is a word Einstein foolishly used in reference to how amazing and beautiful the world, universe, and existence is. Not once does he ever say he believed in Jesus, Yaweh, or any other name used for the Trinity in the Bibles. Not once does he praise God. Not once does he thank God. Not once does he accept God into his life.

So he later confirmed with: “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

I believe in love, does that count for anything?

Yeh.

Just remember: love is love is love is love. Relabeling something with another name doesn’t prove the other thing exists.

Bravo, friend, bravo. But I’m afraid the mistake, Xu-Kitty, is partially do to miss-communication.
When I said speculation, I was referring to my own little definition of the word. Mostly, I just like the word speculation. There are fewer words in the English language which are so phonetically awesome, so I choose to use it… I couldn’t resist.

When I said speculation, I meant it was a matter strictly related to thought. It’s a argument without concluding evidence, and therefore you can only argue it to a point where one side of the arguing factors begs for the final evidence, for which there is none. In this case, there is evidence to the existence of said person or said something, and then there’s evidence against it. However, there’s no defined evidence disproving or resolving either side, which is why I tend to lean away from those arguments. One, because they seem to run in circles after awhile, and another because I’m, to be honest with you, just too plain lazy to talk about that argument. It’s like watching a good movie ten times in a row. No matter how interesting the plot is, you get sick of it after a while. And I’m a Digg user, I know these arguments…
Now you went on to talk about Jesus Christ as a sacrifice, I’m going to say sorry on this one, I wasn’t referring to that portion when I said “bellow”. I should have made that clearer. I left that alone because you’re arguing a point someone else made that I didn’t read, so I’m still a little lost on what it is you’re talking about. I’ll try and find the full argument if you really want me to.

Now for that whole thing about my argument being speculation… It is almost entirely speculation. God states in the bible and other doctrines that it’s not easy, nor will ever be, to believe. Everyone has to cross the bridge of conversion, but it is different for everyone, no one conversion the same.
Now cool your jets, I know, or think I know, where you’re going to go with your next opposing point to what I just said there. My guess is you’re think “so what? Faith in God is supposed to be a constant trial with no supporting evidence? I’m just supposed to continue believing no matter the stupidities or lack of answers?”

This is where both sides slip up again, I’m afraid. In James 1:5, it clearly states that if any man lacks wisdom, in this case in faith, let him ask of God. It also says in many other instances, knock and it shall be opened, ask and ye shall receive. Those promises come with one condition: A willingness to accept the answer however it comes. There is no condition on what you may ask, you can ask anything and God will answer.

In this case I’m going to bring up my dearest guide, the Holy Ghost, who is a testefier to God, his son Jesus Christ, and their kingdom. The Holy Ghost is the one who will answer for he who asks. In this case I can testify that the Holy Ghost has revealed these things to me. No matter how hard I try, I can’t use that to convert you, because you can’t feel what I feel, nor do you feel it the same way I do. All men are created uniquely, and therefore feel, think, and act differently then one person might. Because of this, the Holy Ghost will touch you with its voice differently than it would touch me. See where I’m going with this?
The argument is speculation, because it’s the aftermath of the conversion, absent from logical approach. It requires faith before evidence, but in so many instances people have to have it the other way around, logic dictates so. I can promise you that your evidence will come if you seek it, but only if you sincerely seek it first, otherwise you’re stuck trying to find the evidence and finding nothing until you conclude there is none. Too many people barely even try, believing their not going to receive, and in that instance they wont. God will not give you something you don’t want to hear, and it’s clear you don’t want to hear anything from him, you don’t even believe he exists. Our God father in heaven is a God of agency and choice, he allows you to choose between good and evil and everything else that leads into the branches of the tree.
It’s speculation in that I can tell you I feel this and you can feel that, or this is that way because of this and that is this way because of that. In the end, the only person who is going to convince you of anything is the Holy Ghost, he’ll give you truth, then speculation ends. Right now I thought you were only concerned about talking about speculation in the first place? Since, according to atheism, that’s really all religion is.
If you want conversion I can help you out sir/madam. Right now I thought all we were doing is speculating and debating, so I call it what it is, and that’s all we’re doing here anyway. I’m completely willing to move away from speculation and debate for the real stuff, if you want Xu-Kitty. A testimony from the Holy Ghost would change your life into awesome, there’s just about five things I need to teach you. .


As for the “God is good, you don’t know” thing. I see that he is through the doctrines he’s placed on this earth, so long as it had been translated correctly from the original source. I know by the one true church that is so, and there is only one. You can realize it by its example, its works, and the products of its teachings. In other words, I know God must be good because of what he’s performed on Earth and what he says he is. The attributes he holds close sound pretty awesome to me, so I’m pretty confident he’s a nice guy. I mean that sarcastically, he’s actually perfect. A great many churches only hold partial truths, but not the whole. Many of the precious doctrines of the church were lost as older Christians got a hold of the bible and intentionally removed them. This is what causes a lot of turmoil today in theological approach, and the large amount of difficulty modern day Christians have defending their belief because they’re missing those precious and plain truths.

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Now as for me insulting you, don’t worry, I wasn’t. You just took my words out of what I really mean. I’ll be more than happy to clear that up for you.

Atheism is a result of evil, but atheists aren’t necessarily evil, just that portion The same is true that claiming to be a follower of God doesn’t make you good. Stop this Hitler and Bush rubbish, honestly. I’m studying your methods of argument, you’re an intelligent person, and that move was pretty petty. I’ve already presented a counter argument, and you’ve only countered that by restating your argument again. It’s like you didn’t even read what I said.

I’m not calling you evil, I was calling you misinformed, or misled. Duh it’s rooted in evil, but the point I made was neither a compliment nor an insult. I had two friends in high school who were atheists, and they were far from bad people. One was a little lazy and apathetic, but no more than I was. And the other was just a sweet guy, he was awesome. I know there are atheists who do good things, they’re people like anyone else with the ability to choose between good and evil. Being an atheist doesn’t mean you can’t do good, that’s what Satan would like us all to think. It does however greatly limit you, and that’s his other trap. You’re claiming that I called you evil, or somehow insulted you. Atheism is rooted in evil in that it relates misdirection, so yeah, I guess I did insult you. But what do you care? You don’t believe in God, and therefore the whole argument is false anyway. It seems kind of silly that you would suddenly feel insulted by me when this whole topic is about Christianity. You brought it out randomly and now because I was stating what everyone knew was already there. To that I say: cupcake deliciousness with sprinkles on the side my friend. You don’t make sense.

Now you might ask: Well I have to believe to be saved, right? So then I must be evil, else I’m suffering for eternity. To that I always say, Rofl. There’s a lot of things you need to do to be saved , but there’s not a whole lot to do to keep suffering forever. The Bible talks about three glories, each which require specific conditions to get into. The Bible does not talk about the conditions, but the true church does. Let me put it to you this way: The telestial kingdom is beautiful, incredible, and a hundred times what we have on earth. The mere first sight of it would cause any man to kill themselves to be there. You know who goes there? Murders and pretty much everyone super bad. They have to be baptized and such, but that’s taken care of through baptisms of the dead, which the bible also mentions. Yes, they do suffer for their mistakes, something you might call an eternity of suffering, but they will be admitted to the telestial kingdom. They will not, however, be allowed in the presence of Jesus Christ or God, which is where I think the true suffering comes from.

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There are two other kingdom, Terrestrial and Celestial. Celestial has the highest conditions, such as those who believe in God… and here’s the kicker… Actually follows his examples and laws too! Isn’t that crazy? Terrestial are for those who claim to know, but do a terrible job at following his example. All of these places are great, sure, the celestial is the best by about infinity, but God’s not sounding so unmerciful, is he? Also, Terrestial people get Christ, but not God the father.

Also, as a quick note, got judges man by the intents of their heart and their actions. Meaning, a good guy who doesn’t know about the true gospel can get into the celestial kingdom. I know about the true gospel and am therefore ten times more accountable for what I do than what you do. You’re conditions are unique and outside of my understanding, therefore I can’t condemn you to anything, I seriously do not have the right or ability. You’re aware now of these things, and so a little more accountable, but only in that your mind allows it. You can physiologically trick yourself out of realizing the truth, but the moment you become aware of that, you’re in a heap of trouble and would hope you get out quick. I’m happy to help if you want.

So what do I mean by all this? What I said wasn’t an insult at all, it literally can’t be :/. Love you Sibs. Sibs as in sibling, for we’re all brothers and sisters spiritually.

And by the way, you’ve been saying this entire time, in far less complexity, that “religion is rooted in stupidity.” You’re a funny dude Xu, just say it like it is.

Also, still loss on this sacrifice thing. Pardon me for staying out of it since I don’t have the info, unless you wish to enlighten me. Christ was a sacrifice, where did that become a problem?