Bittersweet Candy Bowl

Woops, meant lost, and I’m not even going to think about the other blunders in the grammatical world of terror that I have up there. Sorry for posting so much :/. I really ought to stay on topic when I argue, but there’s so many awesome things about the gospel! Can you truly ask me to hold back?

And Oliver and Taeshi are ninjas, they’ll be fine.

Wall of text, I see you appear at last! :O

I fear my posts would be far more suitable in the form of delectable lollipops, but I’m unable to find the lollipop conversion button… This feature is vital to any website, yet it’s no where to be seen.

can you both shut up

You’ll find it, I believe in you.

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this argument is the equivalent of two men with concrete blocks taking turns picking up their block and rubbing it against the others
neither of the blocks is really going to break so the whole things a waste of time, and it makes this horrid scraping noise that annoys everyone else in the room
now shut up, go outside and stop arguing with people on the internet who will ignore what you say, no matter what you say

@FitB

From your statements, I’m going to guess that you’re a Mormon.

@FIB
Again, you still make the same faluty assumptions: that there are gods, specifically your god, and the bible is true, specifically your interpertation. Again, what of Lycinder-Rabbit’s spirits; how are they any less ligitimate than your spirit?

SPeaking of “holy spirits speaking to you”
There’s people who think ghosts speak to them,
People who think aliens speak to them,
People who think demons speak to them—- especially since deomons are suppsoed to lie, now: supose that “holy ghost” that spoke to you was a demon lying to you? Hwo woudl you know the difference between a legitmate deal and a con-man selling you magic beans?
If ‘evil forces’, presumably satan, exist: what better way to make people willingly walk into hell than by saying it’s the way to heaven? ( Deuteronomy 13:1 -http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/ false_prophets/dt13_01.html )
“Logic dictates”, as you say, that you may also either have been lied to by a demon, or you are insane.

Again, “worship or suffer for eternety” WHAT choice?? So god is NOT of “choice”, but of threats and bullying—- and by your own words, God ceases to be god.
Agency of what? Agency of hismelf, like any other regeime is an angency of itself for it’s own sake.

“A testimony from the Holy Ghost would change your life into awesome”

a) Do insane people think or know they are insane. A pyromaniac thinks his “insight” into fire makes his life into awesome”
b) insanity doesn’t mean waering socks for mittens and four padded walls, just as “birth defect” doesn’t mean Downs Syndrome, but both can be milder and more subtle.

“so long as it had been translated correctly from the original source.”
Has it? Can you read anceint greek or aramaic, or whatever language it was origionally wirtten? Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, or the bible before the Council of Nicea? Both councils? Have you heard the oral traditions that “the bible” origionally was for countless generations, before it was actuall ever written down?
Bravo if you have, for you seem to have uniquely attained lost knowledge that reasearchers would love to have. What are you doing here, you should be in a university wriitng down your great wisdom and incite.

“The attributes he holds close sound pretty awesome to me, so I’m pretty confident he’s a nice guy”
WHAT attributes? And are you kidding me?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwiU7thK54
“Hold close” means not being a total hypocryte.

“The Bible does not talk about the conditions, but the true church does”
Ah, so the bible is not the ultimate authority? That’s blasphemy you have just comitted, according to the bible.

You are accountable for yourself. And the implications of accountability suggest a framework of consistent, fair, and just laws, and comprehension of them. Is yours a sect that belives in origional sin? How can Adam and Eve, some days or hours or minutes old, with no knowledge of good, evil, or even having a concept of death, pain, or even discomfort (having not yet been expelled from God’s omnipresense— and again, by your own words, “suffering” being rooted in not being with godjesus), be at all comrehending of “you shall surely die” — fyi: they ate, and sure took their damn time to die, didn’t it? What’s that, they were gonna be immortal if they didn’t eat it? Then what about with no deaths, when the planet became coated in old feeble people that never die, then what?
What’s that? “Loving” god let it happen, knowing it was gonna happen? Does a loving parent leave a blender running, and leave their beloved child to stick their hand in it and mutilate themselves for the rest of theri existance? No: that’s either apathy, ignroance, or sadism.

You can be systematically lied to and programmed to convice yourself to not go outside your comfort zone and not ask questions, but the moment you become aware of that you are doing that, you can begin to learn. I’m happy to help if you want.

A scientologist has faith that he’s interacted with thetans, as you have faith that you interacted with the Hokey Ghost. He has faith thetans exist, and will not entertain any “specualtion” of they do or not, like you do not entertain any speculation that god does or doesn’t. A scientologist thinks phsychology is rooted in evil Xenu’s plot, just as you think atheism is rooted in evil—- and whatsmore, you unabashedly judge it to be evil. What’s that? First stone in the what-now?
The difference? None whatsoever, as all these examples are only supported by his and your organizations own baised blatant propaganda.

“I’ve already presented a counter argument, and you’ve only countered that by restating your argument again. It’s like you didn’t even read what I said.”
Again, your coutner-argument fails to address the issue. Like most religious people, you do not recognsie the implications of what you say, like you stating “Atheism, in my believe, has become a by-product of evil people.”
I was as much repeating YOUR ‘argument’as I was repeating mine.

This is most pointed out on your line on Hitler, and your delight on having such a limited, narrow-minded world view: “I know what he did was evil, and that’s enough for me”
Good enough for you to know THAT something happened, eh? But you can’t be bothered to find out WHY, can you? Especially since I already pointed out why, but you couldn’t be bothered, esepcially once I pointed out it was a Faith-based Initiative.
And faith neither makes you correct nor virtuous nor wise, because yes, gods have been and are still “gods of the gaps” of knowledge (look at your own name, even).

I mean, you aren’t as stupid to believe that gods are the cause of hurricanes, while ignoring all evidence and science of meteorlogy, are you? Because Thor, Tlaloc, and your god have been used to explain why storms occur (ref: Pat Robinson, your brother in Christ, thanked God for Katrina).

I severely hope you are not as dumb to think gods, like Vulcan and Pele and your god and Chantico cause earthquakes and volcanoes, while ignoring all the evidence of tectonic theory.

Yes. Just because only a few million people think something doesn’t mean it is true or even realistic. The ignorance of this argument is shocking to me and when I receive it that usually means the person presenting the argument is a lost cause, and a waste of time. By ‘waste of time’ I of course mean that they aren’t going to present anythign compelling, interesting, or more importantly an argument in favor of God that I have yet to hear. Obviously they aren’t putting in any effort into the subject they are attempting to discuss. Refuting this is just too easy…

Example: Flat Earthists.

Yep, it was that easy!

Jesus taught that disease came from demons, which set medical progress almost to a halt until the Microscope was discovered which taught us about microscopic organisms, but a few million believed in the whole Demons thing anyway, even to this day! Good thing it’s only a few million.

It was once widely accepted, by Christians, that being able to blow hot air and cold air out of your mouth was definitive evidence that you are a witch. Only Millions think Christmas originated with Christianity, or the bible’s new and old testament have NO contradictions. Only Millions thought lightning came from Zeus, or Thor’s hammer. Yes, Millions CAN be Wrong.


But lets compound this now. Whenever Theists use numbers, it’s usually worthy of laughter. “A million” can’t be wrong, pssh. The very basis of the argument here is YOU think Billions of are wrong! Not only that, but more people then your religion totals are wrong because YOUR religion is the ‘one true’ religion, right?

Lets look at the numbers here… 200 as of yesterday…

Christians enjoy bragging about how many of ‘them’ there are, how many believers in God there are and yet they are all making war with each other. Nigeria has been a blood bath as Islam (Biblical God Worshippers) and Christians (Biblical God Worshippers) are killing each other in the street.

Wrong numbers. Sorry lets try that again.

I’ll admit I ‘miiiiight’ have gotten side tracked on purpose there because I do have a strange enjoyment in pointing out how peaceful and loving these religions are, though to those religious people I show at least some respect to will argue that these people aren’t ‘true believers’ which of course is their claim about you but that’s beside the point.

Christians enjoy bragging about how many of ‘them’ there are, how many believers in God there are and yet, lets break it down. 33% according to a poll in 2005 by www.adherents.com (whatever) claims. I do see this number and numbers near it all the time when people brag about how many believers of God there are. However, that 33% are…… “Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, Pentecostal, Anglican, Monophysite, AIC’s, Latter-day Saints, Evangelical, SDA’s, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Quakers, AOG, Nominal, etc.” Wow. I think it’s fair to break it down now…

33% (The Christianity total) 2,208,369,991
of that, Catholic Church 1,100,000,000
NOTE: Catholic Church: Includes non-Latin Rites in communion with Rome, such as Ukrainian Catholics, Coptic Catholics, etc. ya know, a combined number still…

That leaves 1,108,369,991 (approximately) still to be added here….

Eastern Orthodox Church 225,000,000

Well, lets just say the rest account in the millions as no other group breaks 100,000,000 anymore. There really are a lot of Catholics that does explain the Vatican’s success. I can’t help but be reminded of Bill Maher who pointed to the Vatican and said, “Is that really what you think Jesus Christ had in mind?”

I think it’s very unfair to consider them all ‘believers’ when they don’t think each other are ‘correct’ believers. Sure they do believe in the current high end religious figure, Jews (The smallest being about 21,151,500 in the world) don’t accept Jesus Christ as the Mesiah and are older than Christians, no surpirse then that they are the small one now. Christians, composing about 2,208,369,991 of the population do accept Jesus Christ as the Mesiah, the last one to have arrived, but deny Mohammad as the next Mesiah. They also compose the current but now beginning to die out, faith. Islam accepts Mohammad as the most recent Mesiah and compose about 1,405,326,358 and are starting to spread out as a religion. (These are as of 2005)

There are only about 153,916,696 Atheists (As of 2008) but do note, that’s only ATHEIST. When I said Islam, I meant all Islam combined the same way that 33% for Christiantiy got. If I were to cheat the same way for non religious then I would get, 1,070,724,844 don’t believe in God. IN my opinion, the 2 biggest problems Islam has is that non believers are growing too, and not only the non believers but believers are getting tired of the suicide bombings.

But, I do suppose I’ve gotten side tracked so I shall end this by pointing two more things out.

1) Do you still think, “Millions” can’t be wrong? Are you so prideful to think that YOU can’t be wrong, or LIED to?

2) …. un-fucking-beliveable… “Christ was a sacrifice, where did that become a problem?”
An innocent man, ritualistically tortured and murdered in cold blood, as tribute for YOUR “crimes”— crimes you neither comitted, nor had any choice or influence on, and you take joy in SOMEONE ELSE suffering for YOUR “problems”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk
WHAT’S THE FRUCKING PROBLEM?!?!
Do you have any idea of how self-centered and…. evil, you sound, to be happy for someone else taking the fall for you??

ANd no, it’s not any better if he did it willingly! You would have no problem condemming the actions of, say, a hawaiian prestiess jumping into the caldera to please the gods to protect her people, lamenting a friend who jumped in front of a bullet for you, but you praise and are filled with joy with another human dying for your sake, when you and everyone in all abrahamic religions fail to prove what “he” was sacrificed for even exists.

Here’s your goddamn “awesome” things in the bible, condoned and orderd by god:
Murder, rape, incest, injustice, cruelty, infantcide, fratricide, racism, homophobia, sexism, slavery, torture, and genocide.
No, don’t hold back, there’s plenty to tell!

Actually, WHF, this is more like FIB saying he(?)’s winning because my fist hurts from punching him in the face.

Here, let me make things a little more simple for you, FIB:
Your error is fundamental: all of your arguments automatically presume gods exist, and that it’s YOUR god. You need to prove it’s yours, and not any other, for ANY of your arguments that you actually made to stand (foundation of sand much?)
Further, you need to prove it wasn’t satan (or another god) lying— a tactic you admitted is common of evil.

Or you being insane, or some other option.

As you would no doubt say I can’t prove it wasn’t your god- as if somehow that made you right by default— FYI: no it doesn’t, because the OTHER “defaults” left, you also cannot disprove it’s not the other two, either (which, in turn, doesn’t make me right that you are a lunatic or heard satan, or Xenu, either—- you are entirely accountable to and for yoruself, by yourself, and how you argue it, not what you argue for, is the proof of which the case is. Ie; Fred Phelps would argue he does hear god as you do. In spite of that he argues that, you would know from how he argues that he’s fucking crazy).

Reducto ad Phelpsiam. Cogito ergo Fred Phelps sum.

I mean, C’mon, let’s strip away the mythology and presumptuousness and theology down away from the difference between our situations:
Either of us could have been lied to.
Either of us may just not come across the right infromation.
But;
You heard a voice only you can hear.

Actually, Vincent, a Reducto ad Phelpsiam would be if I said like “Phelps belives in jesus, you belvie in jesus, therefore you’re like phelps.”

However:
Well, if like Phelps suddenly changed, became nice, and said “I was hearing satan back then”
You could draw several conclusions, and you would choose from how he argued that stance to these conclusions:
satan exists, and Phelps became smart enough to recognsie it was satan (PS: I hope never to write “Phelps” and “Smart” in the same sentence ever again)
or
satan doesn’t exist and he’s crazy for believing it
OR
regardless of if Satan exists or not, Phelps is lying out his ass to excuse his behavior. (and additonally, who is the lie for: the public, or for himself?)

The point being a case-in-point that what you argue for is secondary to how you argue, in regards to deducing the “Why did he say that”; the motivation, the reason, the cause to the effect—- which goes back to my earlier statement of someone saying “something happened and that’s good enough for me” is flawed thinking, and that the “Why” is important to understanding.

I wasn’t saying you’d committed a reducto ad Phelpsiam, I was just thinking out loud and playing with what I know about Latin syntax.

-Xu-Kitty:
BY GOLLY MAN! Don’t you see what you’re saying? Haven’t you opened your eyes to the infinite truth before you? It’s so clear now! I have seen into the void and the light has opened before me. Deep down in the crevices that form between the intertwining threads of existence, I have beheld something distant, far, and true. It’s yellow… And oddly shaped like an upside down “W”… No… It can’t be….
It’s McDonalds o.0……………………………..
I’m Lovin’ It.

So yeah, remember that thing I said where I’m lazy? It’s kicking in right about now. Didn’t read your thing, but it’s clear we’re not going to meet on friendly grounds on this… anywhere… I hope you’re not taking this as a “I can’t argue that! Best I just come up with someway out” move. Honestly, I just scrolled to the bottom and scrolled up to see you had posted double what I did… And yeah, I know if you’re posting that much, than I’m probably going to have to post twice something of that to which you’ll do twice of that… and… eh… I don’t know, do you really want to keep doing this? I skimmed (not read) through your post and saw a decent accumulation of expletives, which leads me to believe you’re getting mad… which wasn’t my objective and gives me more reason to stop this shenanigan. Sorry that I upset you, I hope you’ll accept my declination to this argument. If you want to assume that as me giving up, that’s fine, so long as we don’t “hate” each other or any thing. The community here makes me laugh, so I hope not to bare any ill feelings towards me. And I mean that honestly, not insultingly.
Let there be love! One for all and all for awesome!


-@Whf. You have an excellent point sir. I give credit where it’s due, and you inspired that resolve on my end.

-@Penult. Your guess would be correct. I figured someone would figure it out after that post, just a matter of time.

With all this mile long text, I feel inspired. So here you go everyone.

Mouthwash is needed after a mile long read through a religion thread. Not only because you’ll be so damned tired, and possibly sweaty from the pent up RAGE, but you’ll be vomiting every so often when you see how much more you’ll need to read. Why anyone does it is beyond us all. Now, theres one big problem that I see on each and every one of these, TL;DR. Make a small summary for christs sake, I don’t want to a book’s worth of opinions, I want a comic strips worth of opinions. TL;DR angry person ranting about lack of summaries.

@FIB:
Right then, short version:
Your may also be an idiot for hearing Satan and thinking it’s god;
Or batshit insane for hearing voices in your head in the first place.

Prove you’re not either— which, be definition, you cannot disprove anymore than you can prove god; ie; Yer fucked. Also, you’re kind of a docuhe for happily letting someone else take the blame for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cbfgmorIGE
Case in point.

*scrape scrape scrape*

Even if I believe in a plan and even if I love God, I still want to punch God in the face as hard as I can for how He’s involved me that plan. Love hurts.

I either believe God’s love/justice is perfect or that there is no God at all. If God were evil, it wouldn’t matter anyway as there’s nothing I can do about it, the other two options are just matters of hope.

It doesn’t matter what anyone believes. Either God exists and makes decisions objectively or God doesn’t exist and all points are moot.

Actually, it does matter, since people decide national policy and such on something that doesn’t exist.

I mean, c’mon, we just had 4th of July:
“Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Happiness taken away by Prop 8 in California: “You have no right to marry because God says so.”

Liberty: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/ slavery.html

Life: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ long.html

Cuz “scraping” would be just going to the Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

Because obviously a handful of people can decide what is and is not objectively reality as opposed to, say, their own prejudice. But then, I never mentioned the Bible now, did I?

You have serious hate-on, by the way. I hear that’s not healthy, but I’d personally vitrify the surface of this Earth with my own hate if I could so I don’t have any room to talk.

Well here’s my two pennies:

I’m just fine with anyone’s religious view, even atheism, as long as they didn’t just swallow whatever they were fed on blind obedience alone. I don’t pigeonhole people as ‘Muslim’, ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’, ‘Buddhist’, ‘Hindu’, ‘Scientologist’ (LOL NOT A WORD ACCORDING TO SPELL CHECK ), or any particular faith MODE… but I DO pigeonhole them as follows:
Either they have other people think FOR them and become an insipid, mindless drone OR,
They think for THEMSELVES and become lucid, whole, enlightened beings.

As long as they can back up their philosophy with THEIR OWN logic, and arrived to their conclusions through careful consideration, I can respect that. People who are that rational are usually smart enough to prune out the atrocity, hypocrisy, intellectual stagnation, fear, and hatred carried by the unfortunate majority of religions out there, regardless of what they choose.

When the whole point of the religion is “the bible is the one sole sourch of truth, and everything else, even if it has evidence and testable repeatable verifyable scenarios, is fake, except when it’s convenient for us”, and the religion is that the bible is literal history (and by necessity, I cover the point in an earlier post); then by necessity, you do have to mention it. otherwise, what you had said is incomplete and…. doesn’t make the full idea.

@ Stonehawk: You’d think rationalism would root out all that, but even that has its own flaws. I think you know that on some level or you wouldn’t qualify the statement with “usually.” Case in point, rationalists who treat their worldview as The Word, those who over-think it and come to the wrong conclusion, etc. Not to reduce the entire argument to reductio ad Hitlerum, but even the Nazis started as a rational movement and only used fear and prejudice as a means of gaining popular support.

Me, I’ll argue against all sides to the bitter end. You can over-think and under-think, I fight for the via media.

@ Xu-kitty: Only if you believe that brand of specific Christianity. I don’t believe any brand of Christianity, and yet I can still say “I love God” without contradicting myself. Nevermind that I want to punch said God. Again, love hurts.

Also, the Bible is a set of books agreed upon as general canon by a council of Catholic priests in the middle ages. Not everyone believes it to be a literal truth, that’s a recent trend.

Uh, no, I covered the point above. Since I guess y’don’t wanna scroll up:
To be a Christian, you HAVE to belive “Christ literally existed, was the human son of God by Mary, and he died for your sins,” as dictated by the bible.
If you don’t belive that, then you are not a Christian.

ie: Name a Christian sect that doesn’t belive that. Show me that, and I’ll show you an oxymoron.

So, no, it’s not a “specific” christianity, it’s “Christianity”, regardless of what that version adds on to it,

EDIT:
Yeah, Council of Nicaea, but obviosuly they’re not gonna edit out the whole central concept and pillar of the reiglion.

Like the Muslims have Jesus in the Koran (They named him Isa), but they do not say he is God’s son (and also, to them, it conflicts with having an image of God, which is a blasphemy, a-la- depicting Muhammed). They don’t belive he is god’s son, nor that he was sacrificed for their sins. Obviously, they’re not Christian; they’re Muslim.

Uh, no, I covered the point above. Since I guess y’don’t wanna scroll up:
You’re right, I don’t. Because you’re not arguing the same thing that I am. The following, for example:

To be a Christian, you HAVE to belive “Christ literally existed, was the human son of God by Mary, and he died for your sins,” as dictated by the bible. If you don’t belive that, then you are not a Christian.
Human and God at once, no proportion of the two. Something that has nothing to do with advocating cruelty or slavery. Plus, isn’t having a skeptic annotate a Bible just as bad as the homophobe picking passages to support their prejudice?

ie: Name a Christian sect that doesn’t belive that. Show me that, and I’ll show you an oxymoron.
You misunderstood me. Show me something about Christianity that necessitates the belief in cruelty and slavery and I’ll show you a logical fallacy.

So, no, it’s not a “specific” christianity, it’s “Christianity”, regardless of what that version adds on to it,
You’re right, I’m not a Christian. Something I already said multiple times. What I said was “I don’t believe any brand of Christianity, and yet I can still say “I love God” without contradicting myself.” The operative word being any.

When I talk about “literal truth,” I’m not talking about parthenogeness. I’m talking about people using passages to justify their hate.

But you know what? Forget it. I don’t like Christians anymore than I like Atheists. The one and only reason I brought this up is because my sister told me the only way to get into Heaven was to accept Jesus into my heart, and I became furious and told her that she had reduced otherwise beautiful principles to that of a God-key. My best friend in the whole world is dying very fucking soon and I would rather believe that God can love a tiny virtuous Muslim girl without needing Jesus, that His justice is perfect, or that there is no God whatsoever. Otherwise, I cannot express my hatred for those who would condemn her to Hell for not believing the right way without using violence with extreme prejudice.

I didn’t say anything about you, I am talking about Christianity.

So what if both? STILL HUMAN (add “as well” if you need it).

No; it’s still the entire bible, they didn’t edit a thing, they just put the tags on.
Really, go chaper by chapter, it’s the whole bible on that site.

OK, one each? Instead of you reading the links I already posed?
Fine, the logical fallacies, that being, the Bible, this time linking to a pro-christian, cross-refrencing source:
Slavery: http://bible.cc/leviticus/25-44.htm to 46, http://bible.cc/exodus/21-2.htm to 8, http://bible.cc/ephesians/6-5.htm , http://bible.cc/colossians/3-22.htm

Slaughter:
Homosexuals: The ever-popular http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm , http://bible.cc/romans/1-26.htm to 32
ANybody who works on the sabbath: http://bible.cc/exodus/35-2.htm to 3, http://bible.cc/numbers/15-32.htm to 36
Any non-christians, in a parable told by Jesus: http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm

Jesus Sez: “Hate everybody except me” http://bible.cc/luke/14-26.htm

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Sorry to hear that, but the fact of life is that there’s always some dying, some afraid, some in pain, some so so alone, shivering in the dark…
At least your friend has you.

I’ve seen the dead, I’ve stood helplessly while I watch someone I care about, and those I didn’t even know, die. I have even had the misfortune of nearly killing soneone myself—- not because I hated them or was angry and lashed out…. but because I got careless. Fortunatley, it was nowhere near that bad, but it haunts me that someone was in pain because I fucked up.

And yeah, it sucks. That I can relate to.

I don’t want to sit around here and bash Christianity for the sake of bashing Christianity. I hate coming down to defend it, but I only do because I see inequity in the way she defends it and the way you attack it. But I literally don’t have the energy to keep this up. I could keep on arguing, I don’t lack the mental acuity, but what would be the point? Would we both be enlightened by the end? Of course not.

I’m a deist. I don’t follow Christ, but I do enjoy a lot of things about the way he lived. I like the way he walked into the temple and wrecked it, calling it a “den of thieves.” I like the idea that the weak and suffering could have a better life beyond this one, but I have no proof and not enough evidence of goodwill to produce faith, just enough strength to hope.

I’d destroy every life form on this planet if I thought Jessie did not get everything she deserves in the end. I know it happens often in stories and such, but I understand it. She was the only thing that kept all that hate in and now, nothing. If I thought that inequity extended beyond death, I’d kill God himself with it.

And there’s another vast difference between us, then.
As you would kill earth now for the sake of…. spite? Revenge? For your friend, is she the one you mentioned?
Well, I would stop you— destroy you if need be, for the sake of everyone now, and everyone yet-to-be in the future. Even if they’ll never know, and I would never know them, and not bother to ask for thanks, and just keep going on my way after I was done.

So for one thing, don’t assume my motives, cuz the way you operate is far from mine.

I assumed nothing about your motives, so stop putting words in my mouth. It’s complicated, but I’m only dealing with this in a fictional sense. There’s no malice to any of it, not to any one person at any rate.

I’m merely amazed how I’ve come to understand that point of view, that of all these fictional characters that set out to destroy the world. I don’t feel that their creators understood what they were doing, that maybe all these “Sue’s” out there were created by a lack of understanding. But I get it. They aren’t the people that “set out to destroy/conquer the world nyahahahaha.” That’s blind ambition or idiocy.

I think a good villain is the one who no longer feels a place in this world, is so far gone that they feel nothing except such a powerful rage that it would vaporize the Earth outright if it could manifest as force. And why? Because the hate has nowhere to go except toward “the way things are.” And if nothing “is,” per se, it’s as close as they come to killing God himself. Someone would ask them, “who are you, one man, to judge?” He would respond correctly, “I’m the man who would hate you out of existence and choke God with it.”

Mostly, I’m just talking to myself here. It’s melancholy but any sincere emotion powerful enough, even hate, can be beautiful. I have to understand all that, and the most productive thing I can do with all this is carry it with me until I channel it into a creative source. Probably none of this made any sense. If so, I don’t care really.

But to respond to you, no, it wouldn’t be about her. Effectively, she is gone. It wouldn’t be solipsistic either because, you see, all that hate would either burn me up on its own or I’d turn it back on myself merely to spit in the face of God.

@ J. Vincero:
When you said you wanted to punch god, because love hurts—that made me smile. Thank you ^_^

@ the Conversation in General
I’m beginning to suspect that maybe I just don’t consider religion at all when I talk to someone; rather, I consider rationality. It’s just a shame that every SINGLE rational religious person I have ever known is considered a blasphemer by their faith because they make excuses for it.

As for reductio ad Hitlerum, I -would- like to point out that in the end, the Nazi party was very much a Christian organization, supported by the pope, and that good ‘ole Adolf preached in a distinctly spiritual and not metaphorical context of God and what God wants.

I think I’m better off with the conclusions that I’ve drawn… that there is no hell, because the universe does not care what we do to anyone or for anyone; that only the good of the people we care about, and the whole human race, can really matter—and even that not as much as YOUR OWN opinion. As your organs are shutting down and your mind begins to blur, and the shadow of oblivion begins to permeate your brain, the only thing that will matter is how good you feel about what you’ve done with your life.

If you’ve done well for others, and they’ve loved you and cared for you, they’ll think back to you often, and recall the elements of your personality—just as you have done by merely living—and recall them fondly. Obviously you won’t feel anything when they do, because a personality’s ability to perceive sensory and record data is all in your meat ware, which will no longer be part of you… although I suppose they’ll be letting you use theirs whenever they call your variables and wonder what you’d do or how you’d feel :p

…This is how I comforted myself when my Grandfather died. He was not what you’d call a “great” man; he had made some mistakes in his life, but he commanded an aura of dignity that bespoke having done what he felt he had to, knowing that regretting it would only hold him back. He had his plans, and pursued them with patience and persistence, and had come to accomplish most of what he had set out to do. He was quite the realist… and he was an atheist.

If he were a cartoon animal like the cast of BCB, I would swear he was a dragon ^_^ he’s the only person I’ve ever known who truly qualifies, even across the entire furry fandom too.

When some members of my extended family tried to pull some bullshit about bedside conversions, trying to make everyone ELSE believe that he was catholic—no, he was jewish!—it just… pissed me off so much. And it saddened me. They couldn’t respect him for who he actually was. But then I’d realize, we all have our own subjective views…

…so I’m probably just as wrong as they are. Who am I to say who my grandfather -actually- was? Well, I’m me, so I’m the only person it matters to. It’s not like it’s something that’s empirically observable. It’s not like it’s going to affect anyone else… so I’m okay with that. I just kind of wish the rest of my family could stop fighting about it -_- he died over a year ago…

Holy crap people,
There’s enough teal deer in here to populate a large forest!









(For you people that need to lurk moar, teal deer is the way you pronounce tl;dr which means: too long; didn’t read.)

Lurk where, 4chan? No one has ever used that expression here.

actually, tl;dr was previously used by dispis in this thread.

No, I mean “teal deer.” Pronouncing that out loud is right up there with people who actually say “LOL” in casual conversation.

ah, well as far as that goes, just merely a play on words. a horrible one.

Fair enough. You know, this thread turned out to be shit in the long run, but it was worth creating if only for the first couple days of posts. Damn, have you been around long enough to know ILB? Lady’s a class act. Ask anyone.

Nope, haven’t been around long enough. though I have completely read this thread. From what I have gathered, ILB is “interesting” to say the least.

That’s a shame. She’ll be gone for another four weeks or so, but the entire cast of regulars in the Random Chat’s already talking about putting together a “Welcome Back, We Missed You” Card. I think that says all about her reputation that needs to be said.

I still think the funniest part of this whole thread was Taysh’s reaction to Souppy’s faux-rant. That still cracks me up.

Everything before the 24th of June was pretty good. All in all though, this thread has produced some serious laughs for me.

I don’t know much about ILB, but I would bet that if she worked customer service with her cheerful, non-threatening style, she’d have people thanking her for not taking their return.