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Trust me, I know that mind set was un healthy. Like I said I was being really stupid back then. But somehow I guess I was strong enough to pull through it on my own? I sure as hell dont have those sort of thoughts anymore. I'm moved passed their passings and actually I'm quite happy with my life right now.

its funny, because looking back, everyone who has thought about suicide or been seriously unhappy i've ever met, has said "jesus i'm so glad i didn't do that. i was really kind of stupid back then."
i feel as if teenage suicide, and pretty much ay kind of suicide in general, is an immature way to deal with one's immediate problems. those contemplating suicide likely have a chemical imbalance fucking with them and aren't properly assessing their situation due to clouded judgement. it demonstrates a lack of insight into one's circumstances and is probably a very abrupt sudden decision, coming from feeling bad for a while or being unable to move past something and thinking reactive "what-if" thoughts for a bit. people become transfixed by the idea and seem to obsess over their own depression, building it up bigger than it needs to be.

in other news, what is it about this comic that brings so many miserable fucked up people? do you, like, long for the normalcy and social interaction these characters hold or some shit? i don't get it

Lux Aeterna, on 31 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

This is not always true, have you not heard of the people who have killed themselves out of so called 'rationality'? This guy named Mitchell Heisman spent like two years writing a 1,900+ page 'suicide note'. When he finished, he walked up the steps of a chapel and shot himself in the face. He was a nihilist, and made the argument for something he calls viviocentrism, which he claims is an irrational bias towards the sanctity of life over death.

He says things like
There is a very popular opinion that choosing life is inherently superior to choosing death. This belief that life is inherently preferable to death is one of the most widespread superstitions...Absolutist faith in life is commonly a result of the unthinking conviction that existence or survival, along with an irrational fear of death, is “good”. This unreasoned conviction in the rightness of life over death is like a god or a mass delusion...Tracing the biases that hinder objectivity, and attempting to uproot those biases, leads towards the notion that self-preservation itself is a bias. If life has no inherent meaning, then self-preservation cannot be judged fundamentally superior to self-destruction, or vice versa...Life is a prejudice that happens to be talented at perpetuating or replicating itself.


I don't know, you can read it here if you want.

This post has been edited by CaptainBaconMan: 31 March 2012 - 10:44 PM

It's funny how you can quote my post, yet completely ignore part of the quote. Let me outline the part I'm talking about:

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I was saying what I believed to be the likelihood, and even then I doubled back and tossed in the disclaimer at the end saying that there were "unique cases." I admitted upfront that it wasn't always going to be what I hypothesized.

So you either misread my post or completely ignored it. Either way, at least it netted me the ability to take a look at an individual (that suicide guy) who apparently finds rationale behind death.

EDIT: I'll say upfront that the man already has a part of his argument that I disagree with: if life holds no purpose, why is one to say that death has a purpose? Where is this purpose that the man speaks of? To kill one's self for no purpose is just as dumb (if not dumber) than living with no purpose.

This post has been edited by Lux Aeterna: 31 March 2012 - 10:48 PM

I now feel compelled to look up "best suicide notes ever."

Edit: Suicide note generator: Suicide Note Generator
For people as lazy as they are suicidal.

Lux Aeterna, on 31 March 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Yup, I'm an idiot, sorry about that. but my post still serves as an example of one of those 'unique cases'. So whatever.

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I can't remember what his rational was, I read the whole thing months ago. But he does pretty much say exactly what you're saying.

If life has no inherent meaning, then self-preservation cannot be judged fundamentally superior to self-destruction, or vice versa

My point is this: why did he kill himself? If none holds precedence over the other, then he's not proving anything by taking his own life? I recognize that he said that neither held purpose, and that's what bothers me. If there's no point in death, either, then a = a and therefore he shouldn't kill himself.

This post has been edited by Lux Aeterna: 01 April 2012 - 03:59 AM

I'll be honest. I've read most of the posts in this thread, and I've had to take a few breaks here and there. (I guess listening to Nightwish Pandora station and AWOLNATION on repeat probably didn't make it an easier read)

Half the things in this thread make me so glad that I weaned myself off Christianity of my own volition when I was about 15. I dunno, I just never really believed it, I felt like I was going through the motions, and just was terrified of going to hell (yay Southern Baptist preaching!)

Very glad that I'm not a Christian anymore, because half these stories would make me hardcore question my faith.

But I will say this: This thread is a fantastic thing, it really opens your eyes to some things. I mean, I'm fairly tolerant of any sexuality, but I'll be honest, I didn't really understand TG issues all that much until I read Susan's post (I'll admit, out of a lack of interest to research it, it never affected me so it's not information I would actively seek, but nonetheless, glad to have some insight on it now) I'm glad I stumbled across this thread.

This post has been edited by Blazenarm: 01 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

Kind of a bump, but I think it's update time. Gonna try and be brief in this one, but I'm not really sure what to start off with...

I found out that one of my two best friends has lymphoma, a type of cancer. From what we can tell, he's going to be fine with the proper treatment, but he has to go through 4-6 months of chemotherapy and a lot of various tests, which obviously won't be fun.

Finally got out of the slump I've been in the last 11 months or so, and although it's a bit too late to get my grades back up to what I'd like, I'm going out with ToK girl now, which is awesome! We saw The Avengers last week for our first date, since we had to miss Prom because her brother had some huge graduation party. She has an identical twin sister too (who tagged along to the movie), so now I'm getting loads of jokes and crap from just about everyone I know. I've been spending my off-period with them pretty much every day now so I can get to know them both better and just spend time with a girl I like for the first time in forever.

Old girlfriend and her new boyfriend are completely out of my little world now. I'm just done even making any effort to be friends with her and now everyone I know is aware of what really happened a year ago. Although something in the back of my mind tells me I'll never actually let her go...


So yeah that's life so far. Getting so much better all the time.

I own up to deleting this because I wanted to, not relevant to topic. If zero shits are given to original post, why should any be given for when I delete it, hm?
For those who suddenly give a shit, post was about a friend's drama survival and me whining that she doesn't talk much.

This post has been edited by Dr Noyd: 07 October 2012 - 07:54 AM