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No, you used the words "I find it a little hard to define rasism" and did a scattered, weak job.
Don't hop on my train and drag me down with your comparitive lack of clarity, if you wouldn't mind.

This post has been edited by navi: 01 December 2010 - 06:52 AM

navi, just stop being annoying and learn to spell right please. :|

"weak"
"racist"
"clarity"

This post has been edited by ClosetLucy: 01 December 2010 - 06:47 AM

Oh, come on.
He copy/pasted my whole argument.


@ scotch below me.
HA! I'm annoying for my lack of proper english, am I?

This post has been edited by navi: 01 December 2010 - 06:55 AM

I think you meant to say "spell correctly"? Gah...*smug hipster scowl* : D

This post has been edited by Scotch: 01 December 2010 - 06:53 AM

Scotch, on 01 December 2010 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bleh, I was talking about spelling not grammar lol oh well, I guess I deserve it anyways, back on topic.

bad words are bad but whodafuckcares?

navi, on 01 December 2010 - 06:42 AM, said:

First, its killing me. Weak, comparative, and clarity. I can't help but do that sort of thing when a post is directed at me.

Yea, my definition of racism at the end of my post was not very good, I admitted that at the time and I doubt I can do any better any time soon, I'm fine with that. But the general concept I was conveying is basically the exact same thing you said, I just did not do mine in a list and instead wrote it into a paragraph. This leads me to believe that you either did not read that paragraph or you were unable to connect the similarities which would certainly be my fault and means that I need to clear up the paragraph but as it stands I believe that the message is pretty clearly conveyed though. Send me a private message if you have any questions about what I said so that I can clear it up for you.

Also, not hopping onto any trains here, I was merely saying that our ideas were going to the same destination so our trains will end up at the same station but by different paths.

Stand up comedians.
Some of them would be out a tallent if there were no bad words.

navi, on 01 December 2010 - 06:56 AM, said:

Okay seriously? *talent

But I agree with you, comedy would be shit without bad words. Granted there are funny comedians who don't swear, but the majority do.

I just have a tendency to treat spelling/grammar Nazism with more of the same. Is jus' for de lawls. But, seriously. Can we get past the spelling? navi is a terrible speller but he makes good points most of the time...and then sometimes he is annoying, but whatevs.

This post has been edited by Scotch: 01 December 2010 - 07:06 AM

It took all I had to resist spell checking talent. It is a little annoying but I also generally base how much I like people over the internet based on who they spell. I'm a jack ass

No, comedy would go through a chainge where only the comedians who actualy have some ability to use complex and relatable messages to cause a reaction in there adiance would live and all of the ranchy commics would be gone. As a result, more people would be willing to let their childeren watch comedy and as a cultural result, commedy would be soon considered more "moral". It would be somthing that familys everywhare sit down with their childeren and watch. The buisness would boom and the quality of jokes would just continue to rise untill one day we finaly make the worlds greatest joke.

@Rawr No, I read your whole post and I got your message. I just disliked that you...what's the word for taking and using an entire work by someone else?

I miss the days of biting wit.

"Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker."

This post has been edited by Scotch: 01 December 2010 - 07:17 AM

And now the beta version of the worlds greatest hybread joke exists.

navi, on 01 December 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

you know not /everyone/ is going to have the same sense of humor.

navi, on 01 December 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

Well you are wrong about it being plagiarism since its in my owns words, you can't plagiarize an idea. Also, I didn't copy your post, you posted yours while I was typing up mine, I found it really amusing that it happened.

I never said that there would only be one sence of humor.
Some of the people who are addicted to bad words would never smile again.
It is retarded that you think that their is only one type of clean comedy.

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Honestly guys, are you that immature that you cannot keep on topic?

Navi, he blatantly stated that the post was done right before you posted, and said that he was basically typing what you copied and pasted from another person. It's not a big deal, stop blabbering.

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ClosetLucy -> As an addition to the previous query i had for you, what if the man had the ability to remove all black people from the world (make them white) without anyone noticing. Is he racist for doing this?

If a person uses a word on these forums/irc and you find it offensive (within reason of course, words that can actually be seen as bad), should they be forced to stop if the majority find no fault with using the word?

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navi, on 01 December 2010 - 07:26 AM, said:

I never said that there would only be one type of clean comedy.
People would smile again, don't go so extreme.
It is retarded that you go so extreme :|

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I don't know, I don't think much of that makes any sense...it sounds like your trying to make a scenario where it would be impossible for me to answer how I've been answering

I really don't know what to say about your second one...I don't find words that offensive so I don't really know how that feels. I've never been enraged by a word enough to try and make someone stop using it. I've been saddened by statements and phrases such as "ClosetLucy sucks at carts I hate working with ClosetLucy" (they used my real name though) but I don't think I've been angry enough to tell them to stop saying it. On top of that, I've never been insulted by any bad word, especially the phrase "fuck you" which makes me laugh, literally. Maybe I'm looking at your post the wrong way though, so uh...here's another answer: I don't think they should be forced to stop just because /I/ find it offensive. It's a bit selfish for me to think just of myself, even if I have a good reason I don't think freedom of speech/expression should be censored more just because /I/ got offended by something. The world doesn't revolve around me, I can't help it if someone said something I found offensive, so what would be the point in me trying to get them to stop saying it if people all over the world are gona say it anyways?

This post has been edited by ClosetLucy: 01 December 2010 - 07:39 AM

Adding on to Pant's last question, what if someone uses an offensive word on the IRC/forum and it turns out that they are a member of a group that is "allowed" to use that word?

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in that case I never said that they would have to have the same sence of humor.
and I said that SOME of the people who are ADDICTED to bad words would never smile again.
Hell, some would never talk correctly agian.

Scotch, on 01 December 2010 - 07:35 AM, said:

You mean if a black man say's nigga? or the more offensive "er" ending version?

No, I wouldn't give the slightest fuck what they said I believe I said something about that earlier in one of my posts?

There are no genitals or skin tones here.
any immage or vidio could be of someone else.

So all words are Ok from everyone.

Yes, but in this case nobody knew he was black until they had already been offended. They assumed he was white. I know in most places this wouldn't irk anyone, but let's say we are working with a very sensitive community.

@ navi - Yes, I have heard the Schrodinger's Genitals thing from box before. Sorry, last time...maybe.

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navi, on 01 December 2010 - 07:47 AM, said:

I think the scenario he's trying to give me is "If you meet someone in the IRC who turns out to be black and uses the n word, what would you do?" not specifically black people, but any other race that uses a racist remark of their own race.

Then that small comunity needs to GTFO of the internet.
I'll get funnyjunk and you get 4chan and we can troll it out of existance.

navi, on 01 December 2010 - 07:50 AM, said:

I support this

Rawr, on 01 December 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:

You forgot "chink" and "Asian". I'm accusing you of racism via non-inclusion. (JK)

Rawr, on 01 December 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I never said that I was totally AGAINST this happening. I actually think that black people have the right idea when they do this. If anything, it's actually white people who make a bigger deal out of the word being said. The use of "nigger" and "nigga'" in pop culture has diffused into normal conversation.

I really love it when black people fool around with people from other races when they say the word, though. It's hilarious to me.
Something I overheard in real life:

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I think that a good sense of humor really helps the mission of tolerance.

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For those not in on the joke:

Picnic is A) French and B) had nothing to do with lynching black people.

Hip Hip Hooray is definitely not a rallying cry for killing Jews. It is believed to be Hungarian in origin, though to be fair, it is derived from a battle cry. It certainly predates the 1800s. While it is true that it has been used when killing Jews, it has been used when killing a great number of people, so the idea that it is somehow anti-Jewish is just plain stupid; really its more of a "rah rah rah" than a "kill those filthy people" kind of thing.

However, there are real examples; the word gyp, which now means to cheat or swindle, but which was derived from the term gypsy (because gypsies would supposedly gyp people). Barbarian would be another example.

In any event, there are no words which are only "for" certain people, and let's face it - the word nigger has become LESS banned precisely because idiots use it. The more you use it, the less power it has. This is why people who swear constantly tend to lose a lot of their edge the more you listen to them, but when someone who is normally very polite says "FUCK", you know something meaningful is coming along.

One could argue that the only people who are allowed to use the word nigger are niggers. Anyone who whines about it being "their word" is being, frankly, retarded.

It also has not always been quite as offensive as it is today, and other words (like negro) have likewise become more offensive over time. In two hundred years, we may not think of the words as even being offensive; saying "gay" or "homo" or whatever may be completely baffling to them; it wouldn't surprise me if in thirty years calling something "gay" is like saying "groovy".

As for faggot, meh. Yeah, its demeanining, as is describing something as "gay", but frankly, the word "gay" AND the word "faggot" were already stolen, so people stealing it and using it for something else doesn't exactly draw my ire.

This post has been edited by Titanium Dragon: 01 December 2010 - 08:38 AM

Soon the word gay will be used to conjoin two sentences

Titanium Dragon, on 01 December 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

Thanks for ruining/explaining the joke, TD. (JK)

Titanium Dragon, on 01 December 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

I feel like now would be either a really bad time or a really good time to reference the common phrase found in the Harry Potter books:
"Fear of a word increases fear of the thing itself".

But yeah, swearing and slurs have been seen as the common language of the ignorant, but there are several people who swear constantly who are not idiots and do not have any "lost edge" when the word is used. Exhibit A: Gordon Ramsey. Bastard can make anyone cry.

All joking aside, though, I do believe that repetition of a word changes it. Sort of like how when you say one word over and over again aloud, you eventually end up saying something totally different. I wish I had a better way of explaining what I mean, but that's the best I have at the moment. Eventually, current swears and slurs won't be offensive and new ones will take their place. I'm not saying that it won't happen or anything, even with my views of what tolerance SHOULD be.

Titanium Dragon, on 01 December 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

I believe that since no one person can own a language, it's even more ridiculous for a person to own a word.

Kaxbe, on 01 December 2010 - 08:50 AM, said:

Gordon Ramsey can't actually make most people cry. The people he gets to cry, he doesn't make cry because he's swearing at them, but because they're trying to impress him and they actually care what he thinks. In fact, I think his constant swearing makes him more of a chariciature, weakening his impact. If he can't bully someone he's pretty much completely screwed if he's trying to get them to do something.

Toward a bit earlier in the thread, but I can't see "nigger" ever being used in a non-racist way. Whenever I hear it or use it myself it always sounds, or is at least intended, like "nigga".

Sure, it evolved from "nigger", but I've never seen it used in a cold or racist manner. Usually in a light-hearted and non-derogatory way, but always be careful to be aware of your surroundings as someone nearby just might be a bit more sensitive than you'd think.


Well, that's my two cents. If you'll excuse me, Ima go grab my bitch and chill with my niggas B)

Titanium Dragon, on 01 December 2010 - 08:55 AM, said:

It was a joke, TD.

You know, I didn't know of 'chink' as a derogatory way of saying Asian until I searched it on the internet. Neither have I found it said anywhere on media. But it exists on the internet, therefore it must be true.

But then again, 'chink' is such a weak word. I mean: "hey chink, give me the equation sheet" doesn't even sound forceful. It sounds forced.

Titanium Dragon, on 01 December 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

This topic is totally rad.

I think Beardfire's avatar is offensive and rude and should be erased, too!

FASHISM IS BAD! Hitler is bad! Beardfire is bad! He is is moraly assaulting me with his avatar! *snicker*

and now we've some to hitler.
Is modern medicen bad?
It is one of those situations where no one was willing to do the deed(for good reason) but we all benifit from it.

I hope you're not talking about the deed the nazis did, Navi.

They were evil and illogical and the scurge of the world and they save lives every day.
It's a paradox.

How do Nazis save lives?
Did you mean SAVED lives? Past perfect.
Sure, the party helped germany develop and grow again after WWI. Then they went stir crazy and started invading other places and killing minorities.

No, present partisiple.
The horrid tragetys that occured to jews made astounding jumps forward in the world of medisin.

Hitler was a evil person but the majority of the German people once they rialized Hitler was a major F#@K tard did'nt whant anything to do with the nazi party but they coulnd realy do anything cuz theyd prob just get shot.

Bukakke it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye.

agreed.

What is offensive doesn't just depend on who is saying it, but where it's being said. In some cases the differences are enough that you may consider English as actually being a large number of very similar languages. For example: If you walk into a bar in some English-speaking countries and ask for a fag, they might hand you a cigarette. Do it in the US and a you're either get tons of laughs or demeaned for being a homophobe.

Furthermore, what Titanium Dragon has said about meanings evolving over time is true. At one point, "colored" and "negro" were PC. Now, if you say them in the middle of the wrong neighborhood you might get a beat down.

The problem I have is that words should either be allowed by everyone or no one at all. Having to get permission to say a word, or be of a certain race, creed, faith or sexual orientation is discrimination on its own. If a word is still offensive, it should be offensive no matter who's saying it.

You sir, are not rasist.(i think)

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Firstly: "Tragedy" and "Medicine". I'm not usually an arse about spelling, but -god- you write some atrocities.
On topic: All periods of war see increased technological advancements, mostly in the areas of warfare. The biggest jump forward in medicine during WWII was the discovery of antibiotics, which was a military secret of the ALIES. This happened as an accidental discovery by a scientist (Alexander Fleming) before the war and it would have become huge one way or another. Other than that advances in medical treatment during WWII were mostly praised by well trained paramedics being present in the fronts and providing VERY quick treatment to wounded sodiers (hardly something that can be useful in peacetime).
So your point of nazis having advanced modern medicine is hardly valid.

Hentai13, on 01 December 2010 - 08:02 PM, said:

Uhm, actually hitler made his intentions very clear from the very start (have you read Mein Kampf? He clearly writes how he intends to annex all countries and areas he considered "german" and how he planned to be rid o all non-arians). I'm not saying all germans were evil, but anti-semitic sentiments were very much on fashion throughout the world at the time, even in america.

Learn your history before you start barfing shit out of your mouths people.

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A good point, but also one that would be very difficult to upkeep. Take "old", for instance. Many people could be offended by its use, but we have no synonyms that make it sound better (aged, ancient, chronologically challenged). Context is such a large part of human communication that we cannot control it in any way (the words themselves mean less than 20% in all forms of dialogue); we need the words "black", "white" and "yellow" to describe colours, and disallowing them because they may offend is beyond impractical.

ILB, on 01 December 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

Actually I was referring specifically to racial, ethnic, religious, sexual and gender-based slurs and their derivatives. General point: if it offends you because the person who said it isn't like you (N****), it shouldn't be said. If it offends you because you don't agree with it regardless of who said it (old) it doesn't qualify. If the culture in question has a different meaning for the word (fag, faggot) and you're offended by it anyway, you're either intolerant or you're ignorant, and both of them are problems only you can fix.

[/quote] Uhm, actually hitler made his intentions very clear from the very start (have you read Mein Kampf? He clearly writes how he intends to annex all countries and areas he considered "german" and how he planned to be rid o all non-arians). I'm not saying all germans were evil, but anti-semitic sentiments were very much on fashion throughout the world at the time, even in america.

Learn your history before you start barfing shit out of your mouths people.
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You are right about the anti-semetism in the world at the time.
Haveing sayed that most Germans needed something to cling to after WW1 Hitler was a very dinamic speaker and indevidual who gave the german people a renewed sence of national pride and most of his anti-semedic poleciec hapened gradualy he did'nt just slap the army load all the jews on a truck and toss them in an oven the day after he got elected.

BTW this comeing from someone who is in someone elses country illegaly buy his own admission. I dont mind people who want to come to america and work its the ones who think they are above the law cuz yes illegal imagration is just that illegal its againtst the law. I mean ya I think we need illigal imagraints they fill a vital roll in our economic infrastructur. But they benifit from our comunity resorces without giving any contrebution they dont pay taxes but they get our medical and school system. Pay taxes then i wouldnt care.

Also if you're gona attack my spelling go right ahead I do it all the time Hooked on phonix worked for me.

Bukakke it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye.

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Still problematic, although I see your point more clearly now. I basically agree, but if a white person says "black" to describe his curtains, then he still breaks those rules. And I think your rejection of "old" is a bit premature - there are aged people who can call themselves old, but react negatively towards it when other people use the same term to describe them.