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How Time frame of BCB Ending Correlates with Possible Endings

Hi.

I have been speculating something as of late and was just looking for input and other people’s perspectives, regarding the conclusion/resolution of the BCB storyline. I could just be looking at this all wrong, which is fine because that is part of the reason I’m bringing this up. So at the very least I can be corrected of a irrelevant, insignificant thought process, and at best, perhaps provoke some profound ideas to surface on this thread (my money is on the former of the two to occur…).

What I do know for certain is that the comic is planned to end somewhere in the realms of Junior Year and that there is a potential for a continuation up to graduation. What I am not so certain about is if the main conflicts, which the comic is centralized around, are intended to be resolved at Junior Year and then the rest of the time is just like the old comic days where each individual chapter has self-sustaining plots that conclude within the same chapter. So essentially the characters encounter an event and then return back to baseline, as if the chapter could be removed and nothing really has changed. In other words, if the timeline between the junior year and senior is basically a huge epilogue of entertaining fluff to appease the fan base and wean them from the inevitable closure of their anthropomorphic idols. Or….if the presumed ‘stopping points’ of the story are drawn out all the way up to graduation. I guess those are questions masked in the form of statements, but bear with me.

So everything above might be common knowledge, and easily answered with a simple sentence. I bring that up to introduce the basis of my thought process. Granted, it is a very vague one.

Have any of you considered how the planned time frame for the canon ending could correlate with how particular relationships and conflicts pan out? It may seem to be an extremely low correlation at first glance, but then I was pondering why the main storyline would resolve during the junior year as opposed to the end of high school. Then I started thinking about how that particular stopping point could rule out plausible outcomes, i.e. Mike and Sandy’s relationship. What are some plausible outcomes, you might ask? Mike moving away to live near Sandy after high school, Sandy moving back to Roseville after an arduous, hectic modeling career has left her with a change of heart and change in her lifestyle, etc. My point is that some of these outcomes might appear more reasonable based upon the mere timing of the comic’s planned ending.

I know I’m probably going out on a limb here, but I was hoping to get some other people’s opinions on the matter. This comic is difficult to foreshadow, contrary to what some might believe, because the storyline shies away from anything becoming too obvious. The plot is elusive and is full of twists and turns. So basically this thread is also a means of curbing the urge to say “C’mon, throw a dog a bone here” out of anticipation of what could happen. No, I don’t want to be ‘spoon-fed’ answers; I simply want some other fans’ thoughts on the matter. It is a major reason why the comic captures my interest, because I am constantly wrong about what is going to happen next or how a character is going act/react. So I appreciate any feedback, besides a go ‘fuck yourself’, of course I wouldn’t hold it against anybody…because well, that’s the internet (deal with it.gif).
Thanks.

TL;DR: It’s complicated. I was bored. Don’t worry about it.

This post has been edited by SuitCase: 03 May 2011 - 06:00 AM
Reason for edit: Stop making everything a poll

  • #1
  • 03 May 2011 - 05:18 AM
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  • That doesn't sound like a rape. That sounds like suprise sex
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K, I can tl;dr that I think.

"What could possably happen in jr year so that the story ends then instead of the intuitive time at the end of highschool?"
Is that right?
  • #2
  • 03 May 2011 - 05:42 AM
  • wacko
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I'd think the first character you'd want to consider is Tess, simply because she's graduating at the end of this year, instead of two years from now (in comic-time).

What is left for Tess to resolve in Bittersweet Candy Bowl? Well, there's the whole bullying aspect of her past, which we just saw earlier in "Pillow Talk". We know Rachel is slowly forgiving Tess, but Jessica still dislikes her, along with most of the older students. Though in the end, I think Tess will be able to put her past behind her, if only because after this year, she'll largely be out of contact with anyone who remembers her bullying. She can start anew in college, where no one will know her and she won't be judged because of her past.

Plus there is still the hint of another story, the senior that Tess went out with in her freshman year. My hypothesis is that this was Alejandro, but that's by no means certain. If it is Alejandro though, then that might mean the Alejandro revenge plot thread might play itself out later this school year.

Finally, there's the Tess and Paulo plot thread. Tess felt that neither Paulo nor herself were ready for a relationship. She also thought it wouldn't be fair to make him wait for her, since they'd most likely drift apart after she graduated. So she decided to break things off with Paulo. Of course Paulo still has feelings for Tess, but at the moment he's moved on. We've seen him become involved with other girls: Lucy, Jessica, Rachel, and Jasmine. Now whether Paulo stays with Jasmine is still in doubt. It could be that they'd make up, find ways to make time for each other, and continue their relationship. Or it could be that they'd decide the relationship just wouldn't work right now, and discontinue it. Either way, Paulo will have matured and gained a lot of life experience in a relatively short amount of time. By the time he graduates, he just might be ready for a real relationship, and commit himself to Tess. Or not. Who knows. ^_^

So then. Tess leaves at the end of this year. Plus Taeshi has said she's getting rid of the fan characters, and Tess graduating is a very convenient exit. So it's likely any remaining drama or backstory involving Tess will take place over the next few months. That just leaves the Paulo thing open. And it might take Paulo another two years to decide who he really wants. That's OK though. Paulo has time to mature some more, and Tess doesn't need to appear in the comic for that.

...Wow, that got long. And that's just one character. Blame my love for comic speculation. ^_^ Maybe we should take this one character at a time, then?



Semi-related postscript: You know what intrigues me? Abbey and Tess. No, I know nothing. :-*
  • #3
  • 03 May 2011 - 05:39 PM
@Craft Aids: Right.

@ Wacko: You bring up some good points. I guess I didn't consider Tess much in this equation, because she is being phased out of the comic. So, I don't think some fans will get the closure they'd like to see, but speculating her future is no doubt still interesting. Pillow Talk could very well be the last we see of Tess. Not long after Jessica explains why she hates Tess, Tess is suddenly and conveniently 'off-screen'. :smirk: Just kidding. I'm hoping for a little more to come about with her before her departure.

Paulo, on the other hand, would be far more interesting to see. Of all the characters we expect to see through to the end of BCB, I suspect Lucy and Paulo to mature the most. Abbey is planned for being more developed, but he seems mature enough already by comparison. Anyways...Paulo's progression thus far has a lot to do with his relationship with Tess. It would be funny if that near the end of his high school career Tess comes back to him and all begging and teary, saying that she should have stuck with him. Basically Tess feeling this kind of regret. Regret

Abbey and Tess? Ya kiddin me! ha.

This post has been edited by Purin: 03 May 2011 - 07:30 PM

  • #4
  • 03 May 2011 - 07:28 PM

View PostPurin, on 03 May 2011 - 07:28 PM, said:

It would be funny if that near the end of his high school career Tess comes back to him and all begging and teary, saying that she should have stuck with him. Basically Tess feeling this kind of regret. Regret

Tess has experience the position Paulo is in by being with Roger, and she knows that it is not a good position at all as shown on this page. This shows that she will most likely not change her mind about Paulo and that when she leaves the comic, there's a high chance that it will be for good and we will see no more of her.

This would leave Paulo to his 3 other love interests, Jasmine, Lucy, and Daisy. I predict Jasmine will hit the road one of these days, seeing as how their relationship is pretty broken at the moment. That would just leave Daisy or Lucy to be his love interest, unless some random bimbo is inserted into the comic. Abbey and Daisy's relationship seems pretty stable, so for now I'm going to assume they stay together. This would leave just Lucy as his love interest. Then it all comes down to who gets Lucy, Mike or Paulo. Mike currently dating Sandy and Paulo currently giving Lucy mixed emotions. Now I'll just say what I think, I think the comic ends with Mike and Lucy together, now if this scenario actually happened, who would Paulo be left with? Not that it's a bad thing to not have a significant other near the end of highschool or anything. This is why I predict Paulo to not have a girlfriend by the time the comic ends, but I don't think that will bother him too much.

View Postwacko, on 03 May 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Plus there is still the hint of another story, the senior that Tess went out with in her freshman year. My hypothesis is that this was Alejandro, but that's by no means certain. If it is Alejandro though, then that might mean the Alejandro revenge plot thread might play itself out later this school year.

That would be pretty strange if it was Alejandro since if you look at the comic time that was 3 years ago that Tess dated him, if it was him, and that would mean that the main cast was in 7th grade. They got ganged up on by Alejandro in 8th grade so that would mean that Alejandro was newly graduated and decided to move from his family or wherever he came from to a city. It's just very doubtful that it was him who Tess dated. Given Al's reputation, I'm sure he would have been pushing for sex with Tess, and apparently she was drugged though I think that's just part of the rumor and she claims it was nothing. If he did have sex with her that would render her comment in Acapulco when they were playing truth or dare null and void when she said she lost her virginity to Roger. If she didn't have sex with him he is also the vengeful sort, so he probably would make a big deal about it and get revenge, which would have been something notable for her to tell Paulo.

On the note of how the time frame correlates with the endings, I doubt it plays a big part in it, and if it plays any part at all it will probably be very minor.
  • #5
  • 03 May 2011 - 08:20 PM
  • Borg Lord
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@Wacko I doubt there's any connection between Alejandro and Tess. Augustus did tell her at the beginning of the year that she was of no concern to him. I have a feeling that he's not lying, mainly because I doubt that statement had any effect on Tess's opinion of him. That said, I do think Alejandro will be back in the not-too-distant future; obviously you can't lead someone into a trap before a trap is set, so I figure the fact that Augustus is interacting with Lucy means he only needs to get her in position and then whatever's going to happen can happen (my money's on kidnap Lucy, then use her as bait to lure in Mike, because there's no way he's angry enough that he'll abandon her to be raped and killed. And then they will at least be friends again.).

But if it's going to end in junior year, perhaps we should look at who is graduating: Jess, Rach, and McCain. I really don't know what the implication of this are, though, barring JessxLucy happening. I doubt it.

And perhaps Lucy may conclude that she needs to be more proactive, and if either Mike or Paulo becomes available she might hurry to date and to make sure it is clear that they are dating. Or not, I'm really not sure about this idea. Certainly she'll need to end up with someone (and then get some therapy) and it's probably going to be one of those two. The only alternative I can even consider in anything like a serious way is that Abbey and Daisy break up (which would probably imply Daisy was chasing after Mike) and Lucy gets Abbey.

Now what I really wonder is if the relationship between Jazz and Paulo will be affecting by her being told Paulo is good in bed. Sure, she doesn't want to think about it, but I doubt it's something she could just forget. And if she's worried about losing Paulo, you never know . . . wouldn't be the first time teenagers tried to hold a relationship together with sex (still, I'm thinking more likely not on that last bit).

And Mike . . . I think he would be perfectly happy to stay with Sandy, and wait patiently for when she can visit. But he's not going to just get to sit in his little world without interference: at the very least, there's going to be Alejandro. And when he and Lucy are in danger, or shortly after they get out of it, in the heat of the moment I would not be at all surprised by at least a kiss. He loved her once, he may still love her and just be pretending he doesn't to try to keep things simple, he can love her again. The question is how much of that will remain once they return to their normal lives. Of course, Lucy has one big advantage in Mike's choice, in that she's actually here. I can't imagine her making deliberate use of that advantage, though. Even if another Another Shoulder is possible, if things with Mike were bad enough to let that happen and she tried anything with him, it would just make him angry (much like when Daisy kissed him).
  • #6
  • 03 May 2011 - 08:46 PM

View PostBorg Lord, on 03 May 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

Now what I really wonder is if the relationship between Jazz and Paulo will be affecting by her being told Paulo is good in bed. Sure, she doesn't want to think about it, but I doubt it's something she could just forget. And if she's worried about losing Paulo, you never know . . . wouldn't be the first time teenagers tried to hold a relationship together with sex (still, I'm thinking more likely not on that last bit).

Jasmine has those good Christian morals, Paulo won't be getting any of that until much later, most likely marriage, if he can last that long with her, which I doubt he will.
  • #7
  • 03 May 2011 - 08:50 PM
@JB: It seems like most people are under the assumption that each character has to end up with someone in the end. I think it's good to take it into account that Paulo or Lucy, or anybody might not even be with someone by junior year or graduation. I think Mike pretty much has it locked down with having Lucy or Sandy as possibilities. An extreme outlier would be for Mike ending up single in the end. I realize the time line for BCB's end doesn't really delve too much into foreshadowing how certain relationships play out. It's just that it makes me suspicious as to why the main storyline stabilizes at that point in time. And with that, it makes me think that certain events you would expect to happen after someone graduates, won't be as likely to happen while one is still in school. If that makes any sense.



Also, I used to think there was a connection between Alejandro and Tess, but the main point against that theory is that Tess is simply being written off. Fan-character or not, I don't think she would be making an early exit if she were part of something so vital to the plot. At least, it appears it would be a viable enough reason to keep Tess on if that was indeed the case.

This post has been edited by Purin: 03 May 2011 - 09:01 PM

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  • 03 May 2011 - 09:00 PM
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Most characters don't need to end up with someone, but Lucy's got all her emotional dependency issues and trust issues and stuff. Something has to be done about those by the time the comic ends, at least a little bit. As far as I can see, that means either a boyfriend or therapy, and I don't think Lucy's ready to open up to a therapist yet.
  • #9
  • 03 May 2011 - 09:09 PM
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One moment, I will go get something I made one that other (taboo?) fourm.

Here you go

Quote

The timeline for BCB as of now is this.

Preschool
Mike: normal stuff except this chick keeps bugging me. she isn't very nice.
Lucy: No one will do anything except play with dolls and ignore me... I'ma bug that guy over there.

A few years later
Mike: Hurpaders, no one ever said anything indicating I shouldn't pay attention to this new girl I like so i will derpaherp.
Lucy: Mike seems to be paying attention to that nicer girl baw. I'ma hold a grudge
Sandy: There is this boy at school. Some people think I was using him for schoolwork but I might not have been whatevs.

The next year
Mike: Sandy is gone baw
Lucy: Now I am going hang out with Mike again but the whole time I will enact vengeance.

A few years later
Mike: I like you Lucy. I respect your feelings but heed my warning that I won't follow you forever.
Lucy: X-cuse me, WTF R U doin? GTFO, I'ma feel like I was molested or something now.

For enough time to become the satus quo
Mike: I still like you. Did I mention that I still like you? Your pet also knows that I like you.
Lucy: Nope
Somewhere in there she falls for and kisses him but still rejects and denyes him.


In jr high
Mike:I'm starting to think about sandy again but I don't have a girlfreind
Lucy:"You goddanmed liar" Even though I didn't want you I am mad now.

Early freshman year
Mike: Fuck this, I'ma call up that nice girl
Lucy: Absolute silence on the topic

Next summer
Some guy: Yeah, even I can tell his love for you is going to go away soon. It's probably too late.
Mike: I saved your life at the risk of my own. I am not even going to ask for anything but I will scowl all the danm time just in case you can't tell that I am pissed. I am pissed all the danm time by the way. It is about you by the way. Did I mention that I have been sick of this type of thing just like I said I would be? Did calling Sandy tip you off at all? No? I am sick of this.
Lucy: Bawwwwwwwww I'ma do nothing about it but complain to everyone else and take as much of his support as he can stand to shell out without actually telling him anything because I already waited to long.

Sometime early sophomore year
Mike: I am so happy with my new phone girlfriend who doesn't hit and reject me.
Lucy: Wanna go out?
Mike: Lol no.

Less than a day later
Mike: Off screen. We have no idea what was going on with him after the confession
Lucy: I am very sad with good reason. Now I will go get comfort from Paulo. Who is he you ask? Oh, just this other guy who I consider a freind but never really gave the time of day before even though I also liked him at one point.
Paulo: You don't need mike, there are other people who care for you. I happen to be on of them.

Instantly
Paulo: X-cuse me, WTF R U doin? "Lucy, I can't." No, nothing is wrong with you but you would hate me tomorrow if we did.
Lucy: If there is one thing I have learned, it is that boys will always leave if you don't fuck them. "Won't doing this make you stay?"

Next morning
Lucy: I'ma flip out and stomp on your face, k?
Paulo: Oh dear god, don't hurt me! It didn't do anything!

Up to this page
Mike: General avoidance of te awkward
Lucy: >9000 abuse
Mike: I'ma totally stop talking to you when I don't have to.
Lucy: WHY IS HE IGNORING ME? WHAT A BASTARTD! I DON’T GET IT BAWWWW + contradictory self-hate which shows that she knows exactly why he is ignoring her.

Parallel to those last events
Paulo: In order to defend myself in the eyes of a possibly semi-retarded chocolate lab I will screw two random people who will not hate me later for it! (I have no idea how David does academically. He could be brilliant in that way.)
Lucy: OMG, since when R U a player? I'm fairly over you suddenly.
Paulo: Cool, btw I'm dating this freshman now.

Now then, every year of highschool at the start of the year tae desides that enough time has gone buy that they should grow a little as a charicture. So, junior year there should be a mojor development for them. I would say the development hinges on one thing. Does sandy visit? If she visits there is the simple question "Do they get along in person still?" If she visits and they are cool then lucy gets to have a moment where she sees them kiss or something and goes off to angst but if they don't get along then mike would timidly go talk to lucy again once sandy was gone only to get punched in the face and them maybe have the emotions returned instead of being put back in the original situation. If sandy never visits then one day mike will get pissed and try for lucy with a little less timidness.
Now then, There is every possability that mike and lucy never get togeather.
There are also like seven more femails then males in the comic. As far as lucy parinings go, Paulo already has plenty of options, david is stalking flower girl, carter is an april fools joke, mike has sandy, abbey has daisy, McCain has sue, Carson is gay and dead, and justin would just be wrong. All this leaves is augustis who would be only willing to agrivate her mental health issues. However, she seems like that might be ok with her.

However, there is still rapecat. Something has to be done with him. What do we know about him? We know he wants some sort of revenge and has spent a year letting his pawn to the research. A YEAR. That's quite awhile. Come to think of it, augustis is kind off young isn't he? He is also kind of having his time waisted. He also wasn't there on the night mike was drunk. I don't think he has been made into part of the gang yet. He still has initiation waiting. He still needs to kill someone. Who will it ent up being? Not mike, that could have been done any time. It will be that girl with the bow in the white fir who kneed rapecat in the balls and means oh so much to green eyes and, if he goes through with it, it will be at the moment when either she was finaly happy or she was most alone.

This post has been edited by Craft aids: 03 May 2011 - 10:30 PM

  • #10
  • 03 May 2011 - 09:41 PM
  • wacko
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Note: The following was written when no one other than Purin had responded to the thread yet! I'm just going to go ahead and post it for now.


Purin said:

Paulo, on the other hand, would be far more interesting to see. Of all the characters we expect to see through to the end of BCB, I suspect Lucy and Paulo to mature the most.

You're right, I think Paulo will be one of the characters who will have matured most by the end of BCB. There's a definite progression in his personal relationships, where he builds on what he's learned before.

First, we see Paulo as a ladies' man who regularly hits on girls. Later we find out that he has feelings for both Lucy and Daisy. Then in sophomore year, Paulo meets Tess and becomes smitten with her. However, Tess breaks it off at the prom, for the reasons I gave above. Paulo then becomes "another shoulder" for Lucy, but feels he can't go any farther with her because she's not being herself. He then becomes involved with Jessica and Rachel, who basically use him to get back at Tess. Paulo and Jessica are both virgins, which makes for some awkward sex. However, Rachel helps Paulo become more comfortable sexually.

Then for the first time, Paulo gets in an actual relationship - with Jasmine. Jazzy's a spunky gal and fun to be with, but she's also incredibly busy. Cue the spat they had in "Pillow Talk". This is where Paulo starts to learn how relationships work. Can he and Jasmine learn the art of compromise, and work to make time for each other? Or is this just another one of those brief high school romances ultimately doomed to fail? Either way, Paulo will learn. However, I'm not sure that Paulo and Jasmine's relationship will be a long-term thing. They're both quite young, and both have plenty to learn about relationships. It wouldn't surprise me if they did break up at some point (maybe very soon).

And with Mike ignoring Lucy, this could be the point where Lucy drifts closer to Paulo. Having lost the chances she had at getting Mike, Lucy might make the conscious decision to change her approach and become less tsundere and show her feelings more. In this way, she could build a more organic relationship with Paulo. They could become close friends in a way that Mike and Lucy never were. Paulo would learn a lot from this too.

Does this mean that I predict Paulo×Lucy at the end of junior year? No. Lots of things could happen. For example, Lucy might ultimately reject Paulo romantically. This could set up a senior-year scenario where Paulo re-evaluates himself, and sees just how far he's come in his personal development. At that point, Tess might enter his thoughts again. Paulo might decide to study hard so that he can attend the same college as Tess. That wouldn't even necessarily require Tess to appear in the comic.

And that's only one scenario. There are others. ^_^

I do think with BCB originally having been slated to conclude at the end of junior year, that most of the drama will occur before then. So if Taeshi does continue with a senior year, I think it would be briefer in length, and serve as a sort of epilogue, which would largely focus on the characters' transitions to adulthood. I doubt it would be mere "entertaining fluff" in the same way the early BCB chapters were. That wouldn't fit with the way the comic has developed.
  • #11
  • 03 May 2011 - 09:54 PM
  • Borg Lord
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Paulo may have plenty of options, but he has had a crush on Lucy since fifth grade. The only reason he doesn't pursue her seriously is because he is completely convinced he doesn't have a chance with her. If he became available an Lucy asked him out, there's no way he would refuse.

Also, LucyxMcCain should totally happen. Ignore everything I said before.

And you may have a point about Augustus needing to kill someone. But if he actually kills either Mike or Lucy, there will be huge flame wars, and if he kills Lucy when she is about to be happy there will be mass suicide. If he needs to kill a main character I really hope Taeshi's not stupid enough to have him succeed.
  • #12
  • 03 May 2011 - 09:58 PM
Why are you saying Augustus would kill someone? If anything Alejandro would fit that description better, and on the note of Taeshi being "Stupid" if he would succeed, I don't see why that would make her stupid if she pulled off an interesting plot twist that changed the story in a dynamic way!
  • #13
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:01 PM
  • Craft aids
  • That doesn't sound like a rape. That sounds like suprise sex
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Ahhhhh, but strong emotion is part of what tae wants to give us. Suddenly, a thousand fans are crying to their freinds aobut this heart wrenching tragety about anthropomorphic cats. Can you really say that angst would be such a shift in direction?

View PostJunior Boomer, on 03 May 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Why are you saying Augustus would kill someone? If anything Alejandro would fit that description better, and on the note of Taeshi being "Stupid" if he would succeed, I don't see why that would make her stupid if she pulled off an interesting plot twist that changed the story in a dynamic way!

You don't understand how a gang works do you? You need to prove your loyalty. Get a tatoo, where the gangs number and color, and usualy kill someone.

Plus, it is more then likely a n excuse to turn agustus into a scapgoat.

Also inportaint, they have waisted two of his years. There is no way he is even in the gang yet.

This post has been edited by Craft aids: 03 May 2011 - 10:07 PM

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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:09 PM
  • Borg Lord
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There's only so much a story can change. I would say that BCB is simply not a comic where main characters die and never will be. Cold-blooded murder is just too much of a change in tone. And if Lucy died when she was about to be happy, I don't know about other people but I would rage and never read BCB again, especially not while I was busy being all depressed over it (now if she was badly wounded and possibly dying but not completely beyond saving maybe, then the dramatic tension would have me glued to my screen). I was pretty annoyed over Confrontation until I saw I should take it in the context of when it was written rather than where it appears in the archives.

Anyway, if Lucy or Mike died, how long would it take for the other characters to come to terms with this? Remember, all the significant loose ends are supposed to be wrapped up by the end of junior year, and you know people would be blaming themselves and being all bosnian about it for quite some time.

This post has been edited by Borg Lord: 03 May 2011 - 10:19 PM

  • #15
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:11 PM
  • Craft aids
  • That doesn't sound like a rape. That sounds like suprise sex
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It would be at the end though.
And there is plenty of angst in augustis, who I have said before has "has to big a heart to try to live heartless and sucks at it because of that", trying to convince himself to pull out the gun and fire while following her in the dark of the night.


More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

This post has been edited by Craft aids: 03 May 2011 - 10:19 PM

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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

You don't understand how a gang works do you? You need to prove your loyalty. Get a tatoo, where the gangs number and color, and usualy kill someone.

Plus, it is more then likely a n excuse to turn agustus into a scapgoat.

Also inportaint, they have waisted two of his years. There is no way he is even in the gang yet.

Notice how all Augustus does is take notes for his boss Alejandro, who wants revenge against the kids for beating him up, Augustus has a certain role to play that does not involve murder. Also note that Alejandro would be the one who wanted to personally kill them if that is his intention (Which is very doubtful)
  • #17
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:20 PM
  • Borg Lord
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View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

I doubt anyone is questioning that murder is the intent. JB's just questioning whether Augustus would be the one to do it (I think, sorry if I'm misinterpreting) and I'm questioning whether the general tone of the comic could possibly allow such murder to succeed.
  • #18
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:21 PM

View PostBorg Lord, on 03 May 2011 - 10:11 PM, said:

There's only so much a story can change. I would say that BCB is simply not a comic where main characters die and never will be. Cold-blooded murder is just too much of a change in tone. And if Lucy died when she was about to be happy, I don't know about other people but I would rage and never read BCB again, especially not while I was busy being all depressed over it (now if she was badly wounded and possibly dying but not completely beyond saving maybe, then the dramatic tension would have me glued to my screen). I was pretty annoyed over Confrontation until I saw I should take it in the context of when it was written rather than where it appears in the archives.

Anyway, if Lucy or Mike died, how long would it take for the other characters to come to terms with this? Remember, all the significant loose ends are supposed to be wrapped up by the end of junior year, and you know people would be blaming themselves and being all bosnian about it for quite some time.

Why were you annoyed over Confrontation? And if Tae killed off one of the characters, she would have a plan for it, so it would be wrapped up well enough. This is the case she would probably extend it to senior year. Keep in mind I'm not saying someone will die, nor do I expect anyone to die.
  • #19
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:22 PM
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I started reading, from the beginning of the archives, last October. 11 chapters of fluff and then suddenly they're in an alley being attacked. The transition was a little abrupt.
  • #20
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:25 PM
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Right, all he has done it take notes and stalk. As I said, they are waisting his time. This is why we know he is not in the gang yet. He is still nothing more then an errandboy.
If that's not his intention then what is he going to do? Post embarasing storys on myspace about the things they have done based on the notes?
And vengance is hard to get away with. It's better to keep your own hands cleen. That's how it is usualy done. No one can ever arrest and keep the gangleaders because they remain clean.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:25 PM
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"The next year
Mike: Sandy is gone baw
Lucy: Now I am going to abandon daisy and hang out with Mike but the whole time I will enact vengeance even though it is hypocritical because of the daisy thing."


why.. why would lucy "abandon daisy and be with mike"

that is so completely wrong

since when were lucy and daisy close

You're mistaking Lucy for Sandy. Sandy and Daisy used to be close.
  • #22
  • 03 May 2011 - 10:27 PM
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View PostBorg Lord, on 03 May 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

I doubt anyone is questioning that murder is the intent. JB's just questioning whether Augustus would be the one to do it (I think, sorry if I'm misinterpreting) and I'm questioning whether the general tone of the comic could possibly allow such murder to succeed.

Well then, augustis tryes and fails. The gun dropps. He sits down on the bleachers and start freaking out. Lucy picks up the gun and pops herself.

View PostTaeshi, on 03 May 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

"The next year
Mike: Sandy is gone baw
Lucy: Now I am going to abandon daisy and hang out with Mike but the whole time I will enact vengeance even though it is hypocritical because of the daisy thing."


why.. why would lucy "abandon daisy and be with mike"

that is so completely wrong

since when were lucy and daisy close

You're mistaking Lucy for Sandy. Sandy and Daisy used to be close.

See I knew there were probably going to be errors but no one else could find any exept the maker of the commic. Bah, I'm correcting it.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:29 PM

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

Right, all he has done it take notes and stalk. As I said, they are waisting his time. This is why we know he is not in the gang yet. He is still nothing more then an errandboy.
If that's not his intention then what is he going to do? Post embarasing storys on myspace about the things they have done based on the notes?
And vengance is hard to get away with. It's better to keep your own hands cleen. That's how it is usualy done. No one can ever arrest and keep the gangleaders because they remain clean.

What? They trust him with spying and taking notes important to the plan at hand. How does that make him just an "errand boy". He's definitely a part of the gang. He has not shown any signs of being a very violent person, why of all people would he be sent to kill them if Al didn't want to get his hands dirty? There are better people for it.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:31 PM
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View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

View PostBorg Lord, on 03 May 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

I doubt anyone is questioning that murder is the intent. JB's just questioning whether Augustus would be the one to do it (I think, sorry if I'm misinterpreting) and I'm questioning whether the general tone of the comic could possibly allow such murder to succeed.

Well then, augustis tryes and fails. The gun dropps. He sits down on the bleachers and start freaking out. Lucy picks up the gun and pops herself.

Nah. She's had two months to kill herself, and she hasn't done it yet. Or shown any signs of thinking about it that Lily has noticed; you know she wouldn't just let that pass, I think she's more Lucy's mother than Lucy's actual mom.

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

View PostTaeshi, on 03 May 2011 - 10:27 PM, said:

"The next year
Mike: Sandy is gone baw
Lucy: Now I am going to abandon daisy and hang out with Mike but the whole time I will enact vengeance even though it is hypocritical because of the daisy thing."


why.. why would lucy "abandon daisy and be with mike"

that is so completely wrong

since when were lucy and daisy close

You're mistaking Lucy for Sandy. Sandy and Daisy used to be close.

See I knew there were probably going to be errors but no one else could find any exept the maker of the commic. Bah, I'm correcting it.

To be fair, I noticed that error, I just didn't think it worth mentioning. I also disagree in a few places with your opinion of Lucy's emotions, but that's just interpretation and even if I think I'm more right, I can't claim any more authority there than you.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:34 PM
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They wasted a year of his time for scribbles they didn't need that badly. All they really need to know is one location where the people are ever alone on a dependable basis. You really think he has nothing better he could be doing?
Al didn't want to get his own hands dirty. He needs plenty of dirt on everyone else to control them. And it doesn't matter that augustis is not violent. If he won't do it then he won't be let in and if he is already in the gang like you say then he has already killed before and I don't think that is the case either.

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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:37 PM
The problem there is you're assuming he needs to kill someone to get into the gang, and another one is you ignoring the fact that I suggested that Al would put a better suited person on the job.

Also I guess you know everything that he wrote down then? And how important they are to whatever plan they are cooking up?
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:40 PM
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Wow, this discussion is picking up fast. Not a great place for my slow, reasoned posts, so I might just wait until the furor dies down. :D That said, if anyone does want me to address any relevant points, let me know.

Regarding Alejandro, I'll just toss up a quick link.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:44 PM
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There is also the fact that he is the only one in high school.

Al is rapecat isn't he? If al is the dog then what desides if the dog does it instead of augustus will be the requiermentf to join the gang. if they don't make you kill people then the dog might do it but even then it would make a very good first mission.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:46 PM
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View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:37 PM, said:

They wasted a year of his time for scribbles they didn't need that badly. All they really need to know is one location where the people are ever alone on a dependable basis. You really think he has nothing better he could be doing?
Al didn't want to get his own hands dirty. He needs plenty of dirt on everyone else to control them. And it doesn't matter that augustis is not violent. If he won't do it then he won't be let in and if he is already in the gang like you say then he has already killed before and I don't think that is the case either.

I doubt all the notes are useless. I would expect a masterful plan from Augustus, using detailed knowledge to manipulate everyone into doing exactly the right thing. I would not be surprised if the plan is set up to be essentially foolproof, and the only thing to save Mike and Lucy is that Daisy wanders into the part of the plan where some very unlucky soul happens to see something he/she should not and disappears without a trace, and Augustus ruins the plan to save her.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:46 PM
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You are giving final fatacy cat way to much credit. He likes to do it but he absolutly sucks at manipulation. the best he could to was to turn around abbeys issues and that was just about the easyest thing ever.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:51 PM

View Postwacko, on 03 May 2011 - 10:44 PM, said:

Wow, this discussion is picking up fast. Not a great place for my slow, reasoned posts, so I might just wait until the furor dies down. :D That said, if anyone does want me to address any relevant points, let me know.

Regarding Alejandro, I'll just toss up a quick link.

Yeah Wacko, I knew I remembered Tae mentioning something about that. He's not as important as people think :P

And Craft I think you are just making far fetched assumptions on how Alejandro's gang works that no one can be sure of.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:51 PM
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Fine, but here is what we do know.

1.He is a violent person with one or more violent freinds
2.He wants something from "green eyes" and revenge is prety much all I can think of that would work.
3.He is in a possition where he can recruite young people and be referd to them as "boss"
4.Agustis does not think he could ever get away which means that alehandro has enough power to track him down and would do so.
5.Something appropriate has to happen or we have a plot that jsut sort of dropped off.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:58 PM
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View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:51 PM, said:

You are giving final fatacy cat way to much credit. He likes to do it but he absolutly sucks at manipulation. the best he could to was to turn around abbeys issues and that was just about the easyest thing ever.

He was doing a pretty good job of manipulating Daisy for a while. I think he could have convinced her that Abbey was the bad guy if he hadn't slipped up and called Mike "Green Eyes." I'm not sure why she apparently never mentioned to anyone that Augustus is affiliated with Alejandro, but until she figured that out she seemed pretty well controlled by him.

Not to mention that if he's doing his manipulating properly, who says you'd be able to tell? He certainly acts like having to put actual effort into getting Lucy to do what he wants is a refreshing change.

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  • 03 May 2011 - 10:59 PM
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He hung out with her and she started to like him. That is just a fairly normal relationship forming. There wasn't much manipulation befor the day of the prom and that manipulation flopped

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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:01 PM

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Fine, but here is what we do know.

1.He is a violent person with one or more violent freinds
2.He wants something from "green eyes" and revenge is prety much all I can think of that would work.
3.He is in a possition where he can recruite young people and be referd to them as "boss"
4.Agustis does not think he could ever get away which means that alehandro has enough power to track him down and would do so.
5.Something appropriate has to happen or we have a plot that jsut sort of dropped off.

2. Revenge comes in many forms
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:09 PM
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View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

He hung out with her and she started to like him. That is just a fairly normal relationship forming. There wasn't much manipulation befor the day of the prom and that manipulation flopped

He got her to trust him more than her friends for a while. He certainly seemed to know what he was doing when he convinced her to chase after Mike so that he would reject her and she'd come running back. The manipulation was going splendidly as far as I can tell right up to the point where she slapped him and said "'Green Eyes' . . . I think . . . I see now." And if it was much like a normal relationship forming, well, why reinvent the wheel? The manipulation is easier and less likely to be discovered that way.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:12 PM
I say with a very high degree of confidence that:

Paulo x Tess will not be the ending for those charaters

Paulo x Jasmine will not happen

I also believe:

1) Mike x Sandy is very unlikely to work out. Why? Because it happened too early in the comic. They'll split up, probably after much angst.

2) Abbey x Daisy is unlikely to work out for the same reason, plus the fact that ultimately, Daisy is with Abbey because he is in love with her; as was basically pointed out by Lucy at the end of chapter 47, Abbey is a Mike stand-in. Their relationship is thus, very likely, doomed.

In terms of other things, the Paulo x Daisy thing has to be resolved; this has been shown throughout the comic, and honestly I think some sort of resolution is very likely, and think this is a likely final pairing simply because of all the setup to it.

Obviously Lucy's angst will be dealt with one way or another. Honestly I find it sad how people are like "She needs a boyfriend to deal with it"; ultimately Lucy's problem is that as much as she claims to be self-sufficient, she needs the adoration of others to make her happy. Without Mike being her bud, she turned to her pets, who will "never abandon her", but she still clings to Mike (and then uses Paulo as a Mike stand in to cling to).

Ultimately, Lucy needs to grow up, and I think it is likely it will happen by the end of the comic.

As for Augustus killing someone, I severely doubt he would do so; he's too much of a softie. He's more of a manipulator than the sort who would stab someone with a knife. Plus it would make Daisy sad. :<
  • #38
  • 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM
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View PostJunior Boomer, on 03 May 2011 - 11:09 PM, said:

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Fine, but here is what we do know.

1.He is a violent person with one or more violent freinds
2.He wants something from "green eyes" and revenge is prety much all I can think of that would work.
3.He is in a possition where he can recruite young people and be referd to them as "boss"
4.Agustis does not think he could ever get away which means that alehandro has enough power to track him down and would do so.
5.Something appropriate has to happen or we have a plot that jsut sort of dropped off.

2. Revenge comes in many forms

I asked for other things he could want to do a few times. No one gave any.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

I asked for other things he could want to do a few times. No one gave any.

Can you quote those times for me? I must have missed them somewhere.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:21 PM
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View PostTitanium Dragon, on 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

As for Augustus killing someone, I severely doubt he would do so; he's too much of a softie. He's more of a manipulator than the sort who would stab someone with a knife. Plus it would make Daisy sad. :<

Fine then, that jsut means that he will fail. what will he do after that?

View PostBorg Lord, on 03 May 2011 - 11:12 PM, said:

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 11:01 PM, said:

He hung out with her and she started to like him. That is just a fairly normal relationship forming. There wasn't much manipulation befor the day of the prom and that manipulation flopped

He got her to trust him more than her friends for a while. He certainly seemed to know what he was doing when he convinced her to chase after Mike so that he would reject her and she'd come running back. The manipulation was going splendidly as far as I can tell right up to the point where she slapped him and said "'Green Eyes' . . . I think . . . I see now." And if it was much like a normal relationship forming, well, why reinvent the wheel? The manipulation is easier and less likely to be discovered that way.

I mean, when they were hanging out at lunch she was starting to like him. No manipulation was needed and if he had never tried for it daisy wouldn't be with abbey right now. Telling her to go with mike? Yes, that was an attempt at manipulation. It failed. Trying to get abbey off his back and break him morraly? He ended up giving him daisy and sending him to therapy where he became better off then he had ever been befor.

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

If that's not his intention then what is he going to do? Post embarasing storys on myspace about the things they have done based on the notes?


Ther eyou go matty
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:28 PM
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View PostTitanium Dragon, on 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

2) Abbey x Daisy is unlikely to work out for the same reason, plus the fact that ultimately, Daisy is with Abbey because he is in love with her; as was basically pointed out by Lucy at the end of chapter 47, Abbey is a Mike stand-in. Their relationship is thus, very likely, doomed.

But Daisy's such a romantic, she'd totally stay in a relationship just for the joy of having someone love her. Anyway, she hardly seems unhappy; Abbey's doing just fine as a Mike stand-in.

View PostTitanium Dragon, on 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

Honestly I find it sad how people are like "She needs a boyfriend to deal with it"; ultimately Lucy's problem is that as much as she claims to be self-sufficient, she needs the adoration of others to make her happy.

As I said before, she needs therapy. She's not going to get it, though, until she learns to stop hiding her feelings so much, and she's not going to do that until she stops BAWWing over not having Mike or a Mike stand-in. Unless, just maybe, Mike tells her maybe he wouldn't hate her if she got therapy. That might work. There's just no way she'll take any action to properly fix her issues or stop wallowing in self-pity without someone forcibly pulling her out of said self-pity otherwise.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:29 PM
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Abbey's doing just fine as a Mike stand-in hahahahahaha

but when you say that, don't you think that's really unfair on Abbey's part? I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who picked me because I was "good enough."

also in terms of the suggestions everyone has about Lucy:


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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:32 PM

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 11:28 PM, said:

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:16 PM, said:

More importaintly, what the hell could rapecat possably have planned that he would spend two years brooding over that could be appropriat other then murdur hm? What do you think the mugger has planned that wouldn't be just rediculos?

View PostCraft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

If that's not his intention then what is he going to do? Post embarasing storys on myspace about the things they have done based on the notes?


The second one seemed like a poke at his notes being useless and not about murder and alternatives. About the first one it's as I said, revenge comes in many forms, he could humiliate them like they humiliated him, he could beat them to the brink of death to teach them a lesson, he could completely screw up their lives with the information he has gathered, etc. The possibilities go on and on.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:34 PM
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Oh I love it!

Mike tried to ignor her.
Lucy:"God danmit! Stop that!"
Mike:"no"
Lucy:"No? wha-...no? How can-"
Mike:"Get therapy or I'm never talking to you again"
Everyone is stunned

Two days later at therapy
Now then lucy, you seem kind of tence. I want you to relax. Tell me what's on your mind.
Lucy:Nothing muchWow this has been helpfulThank you so much by.
Miss, your hour isn't...She is gone. sigh.
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  • 03 May 2011 - 11:34 PM

View PostTitanium Dragon, on 03 May 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:



I also believe:

1) Mike x Sandy is very unlikely to work out. Why? Because it happened too early in the comic. They'll split up, probably after much angst.




This screams out to me that something has got to give in Sandy's life sooner rather than later. That could mean the difference in splitting off with Mike or rid herself of her hectic modeling career and somehow find herself living in proximity of Roseville again and perhaps be closer to Mike.
Foreshadow

Now which of these scenarios are more likely to play out?

In all honesty, I look forward to see more on Sandy, as I'm sure many others have reiterated. Currently, she is just this off-screen roadblock in Lucy's mind, and she has Mike in limbo despite her profession of love to him.

Mike: So Sandy, are you my girlfriend?
Sandy: 'course Maishul, what else would I be...?
Me: Hopefully not someone who is lying to themselves and to the person who is infatuated with you.




@ Wacko:

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At that point, Tess might enter his thoughts again. Paulo might decide to study hard so that he can attend the same college as Tess.


Lol, isn't Paulo smarter than Tess? I mean I know we are just debating semantics, but just for purposes of entertaining your possible scenario, I must digress. But I guess this suggests that she is attempting to prepare for the Pussycat Standardized Admissions Test. I wonder if Daisy is still tutoring her ass.

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View PostPurin, on 04 May 2011 - 02:11 AM, said:

Mike: So Sandy, are you my girlfriend?
Sandy: "course Maishul, what else would I be...?
Me: Hopefully not someone who is lying to themselves and to the person who is infatuated with you.

Yeah, I tend to think that too. I find it suspicious that she apparently waited for him for five years despite the steadily decreasing frequency of communication and despite the fact that, as far as I can tell, it was never in any way discussed what their relationship was in that interim. This makes perfect sense for third-graders of course, but you'd think that if she considered herself his girlfriend she would have at some point by then thought to check that he agreed. Which suggests to me that she's either obsessed, and in such a way that she could stay absolutely confident her feelings were returned without any confirmation, or she's a liar.
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  • 04 May 2011 - 02:27 AM
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Well, if she is so incredably buisy that she can't find time to show up at mikes house to visit for a day after arranging it with their moms it is possable that she simply has no life. The only social interaction she gets is talking to people in the hall of class and other then that it's studdy, get work, and maintain bodily functions. If this is the case he could have become idealised.
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  • 04 May 2011 - 02:47 AM
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Purin said:

wacko said:

At that point, Tess might enter his thoughts again. Paulo might decide to study hard so that he can attend the same college as Tess.

Lol, isn't Paulo smarter than Tess? I mean I know we are just debating semantics, but just for purposes of entertaining your possible scenario, I must digress. But I guess this suggests that she is attempting to prepare for the Pussycat Standardized Admissions Test. I wonder if Daisy is still tutoring her ass.

Nice catch on the PSAT book. Maybe Tess really is getting serious this year. Though this was her reaction in junior year when given the college spiel by Sir Poodles of Noodles.

I don't know if Paulo is smarter than Tess, but he's definitely not the most motivated person when it comes to schoolwork. He didn't even bother to read the Odyssey for the essay he was supposed to do. XD Still, if Paulo did have a motivation to do his schoolwork, then who knows what he could accomplish? It'd be another step in his personal development. We know he's at least capable of throwing himself into his work if he wants to. And maybe he could qualify for scholarships based on financial need.
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  • 04 May 2011 - 04:45 AM

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but when you say that, don't you think that's really unfair on Abbey's part? I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who picked me because I was "good enough."


Yeah its quite shitty from Abbey's standpoint, but it would take a while for him to really feel that; Daisy is pretty happy with how things are by the looks of it.

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This screams out to me that something has got to give in Sandy's life sooner rather than later. That could mean the difference in splitting off with Mike or rid herself of her hectic modeling career and somehow find herself living in proximity of Roseville again and perhaps be closer to Mike.
Foreshadow


It really depends on whether Sandy ever actually becomes a real character or not, but I still can't see them staying together through the end.

Quote

Yeah, I tend to think that too. I find it suspicious that she apparently waited for him for five years despite the steadily decreasing frequency of communication and despite the fact that, as far as I can tell, it was never in any way discussed what their relationship was in that interim. This makes perfect sense for third-graders of course, but you'd think that if she considered herself his girlfriend she would have at some point by then thought to check that he agreed. Which suggests to me that she's either obsessed, and in such a way that she could stay absolutely confident her feelings were returned without any confirmation, or she's a liar.


They were what, fourteen?

For Sandy, Mike is like, a beacon of a life away from what she has. He's a link to normality, a link to something which isn't stressful. He represents something she lacks.

I don't think either obsession or lying is the answer here; we have no indication of either, and now that Mike called her on the phone, she's apparently pretty happy to speak with him quite regularly. Honestly, I think if anything, the biggest problem in the relationship is that for Mike, he is choosing Sandy, but for Sandy, Mike is not really a choice.

One possible route for things to go down is that as Sandy's life becomes more of a pressure cooker, she becomes more dependent on Mike for normality and escape. Mike is a major knight, but he doesn't actually like it when a girl is out and out dependent on him; he wants to be helpful, but he doesn't want to do all the work. He liked Lucy best when she was stubborn and independent; the clingier she got to him, the more fed up with her he became. I could very well see Sandy falling into a similar trap with him; even if she does genuinely like him, he could become fed up with her.

I do expect Sandy to show up; ironically, there's a good chance that her showing up will trigger whatever will cause them to fall apart, despite the fact that Mike wants her to visit so much.

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