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I'm just here to remind everyone that Craft is an idiot. His posts make me laugh.

Junior Boomer, on 03 May 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

There are no problems with the timeline you gave, as far as I can see. It's not unusual for graduates to move to a nearby larger city.

If it was Alejandro, then not only might we need Tess to fill in a bit of backstory, but maybe also Paulo. "You don't recognise me, do you?"

Junior Boomer, on 03 May 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

If Tess was drugged, well, sex would indeed be a common motive. But it could be that Tess doesn't remember having sex with Alejandro, or else she doesn't consider that she lost her virginity at that time, because she wasn't a willing participant. Or it could be that something else happened which prevented Alejandro from having sex with her. That 'something' wouldn't necessarily be Tess herself (especially if she did get drugged and wasn't in a position to resist).

Alejandro might get mad at being denied the opportunity for sex, but I'm not entirely sure that he'd be vengeful, given that he could just slip pills into some other unsuspecting female's drink at some later point.

Purin, on 03 May 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

Tess will be leaving at the end of the year, yes. That's one of the reasons why I think the Alejandro revenge arc will be happening relatively soon (in the next several months).

Craft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

This is actually a good point. Why has Alejandro waited two years to get his revenge, especially when we know that he's no criminal mastermind? I'd tend to place the blame on poor story planning on Taeshi's part. And that's fine. Authors do make mistakes on occasion. What's important is that they learn from them. And Taeshi has said that if she were to rewrite BCB, she'd probably eliminate Alejandro altogether and give Augustus a different motive for his actions. Still, she has to work with what she's got now.

This is another reason why I think the revenge arc will happen soon. This particular plot point has dragged on long enough, and it's time to finish it. (As an aside, I think Abbey will be involved somehow. Call it a hunch, based on his anti-bullying campaign.)

Craft aids, on 03 May 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

Incorrect. Augustus has been a member of Alejandro's gang for some years.

wacko, on 08 May 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

Yeah I remember that line being brought up to question before, and as far as I know it's the best evidence that he used to live in Roseville and taught Paulo how to be a player and such. It's a very good point.

wacko, on 08 May 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

But how could Tess lie in truth or dare? It is forbidden
In all seriousness I can see where you are coming from, there are all these possibilities of what could have happened and it's all really just speculation up to this point. I can't really say one way or the other, but I guess we'll see in time. Though I do agree with it just being a rumor at this point.

On another note though I have to say your link in one of your responses to Craft Aids reminded me of something I could say on my time line. When he tells Augustus he's been in his gang for years now, assuming he moved to the city during the main cast's 8th grade year, would mean that his gang has been running for 2 or more years. If it has been running since he was in highschool, do you suppose that he brought his gang mates to the city with him? Though for the most part, we've only seen two members of his gang, one being that dog guy, and the other being Augustus. Maybe he just has a really small gang?

This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 08 May 2011 - 01:42 PM

One thing that might be a bit obvious and would get he ball rolling: Why does everyone assume Tess was raped? Because of some gossip Paulo heard? Since when was gossip 100% the truth?

Tess wouldn't lie at truth or dare.

yeahhhhhh

Since she does come off as kind of a prude, at least towards Paulo, people are probably more inclined to think she was taken advantage of. People are probably under the assumption she refused, or this person she had sex with knew she would refuse and slipped some Rufilin in her drink or whatever. Although, that most recent flashback of Tess makes me think she probably was ridin' on Roger in the stands while Jessica was talking to Craig. Maybe she had a change of heart after cleaning up her mess of a life, and her new values were first impressed upon Paulo.

Taeshi, on 08 May 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

Jessica is a slut.


@Wacko: I am hoping for the same, but I feel like that arc might be too significant to be coming up so soon. If there is any indication that things could be building up for that to happen (if it does at all) then it would rest upon Lucy having further contact with Augustus and perhaps opening up to him. I can't really picture how that would play out given Lucy's personality, but I guess when push comes to shove...

This post has been edited by Purin: 08 May 2011 - 06:47 PM

Taeshi said:

That was actually something I pointed out earlier. The page in question mentions nothing about sex, so we can't simply assume that was the motive for Tess being drugged.

So then: why else might Tess be drugged? Well, probably a more common reason is simple peer pressure. That is, someone told Tess, "Try this shit! It'll make you feel real good!" And so Tess did drugs, which would explain her comment to Paulo on the next page: "It was my own stupid fault, I was a stupid kid at the time.."

Junior Boomer said:

"That dog guy" would be Toby.

I'd be inclined to think Alejandro had a bigger gang when he was still in high school. And you know how people part ways once they graduate (or drop out!) from high school and face the real world. Alejandro and Toby may have decided to move to another city for better jobs and/or more opportunities for petty crime. But they might still keep in touch with some of their old gang members. One of these members would be the exceptionally clever Augustus, who would've been quite the useful errand boy for them back in the day.

Perhaps one thing of note is that this city is "like two hours away", according to Sue. That's quite a distance to keep in touch (other than by phone). Also, this city is probably not Maraschino, which is an hour away, according to Mike. Or at least a good 45 minutes or so by bus.

Craft aids earlier brought up the point of Augustus being inducted into Alejandro's gang. I think we may already have seen this, on the top-left corner of page 10 of "Another Chance". The locket Augustus stole looks somewhat similar to the one Roger gave to Tess. Which makes me wonder whether Roger was a member of Alejandro's gang at one point. Maybe that was how Roger first took notice of Tess?

If Mike and Lucy don't get together, I die (inside). If 2012 happens...FUUUUU

my theory is that (and i know this is very stupid sounding but hear me out) mike died in the river and was replaced by an asshole who despises Lucy, looks exactly like Mike and wants Sandy. it would explain why Mike's change of attitude only happened then and why he instead of just ignoring Lucy seems to just isolate himself from the rest of the group, or Sandy had poisoned Mike's salmon to be a love potion so he'd love her AND ONLY HER! this is a dumb theory but i would just like to know how real this could be and not the hundreds of flaws in the theory i'm sure you'll find.

I don't think Sandy could have done that sort of thing from all the way in Rickter. Not on her own. Clearly Zach was not, in fact, some random music-obsessed awkward guy, but rather a conspirator in Sandy's dastardly plan. She's probably a mad scientist too; that'd be how she created a wave to threaten Yashy and lure Lucy into the water so Zach could "save" her and have a reason to hang around the Group. Presumably he slipped poisons and mind-altering substances into Mike's food at lunch afterwards to turn Mike into a jerk. He also had a few other devices from Sandy; the bugs he used to watch their every actions, of course, and whatever he used to break the bridge so he could torture Lucy with losing Mike. It all makes sense now.

Catherine, by the way, was clearly innocent and being manipulated by Zach into fulfilling her parts of the plan.

Borg Lord, on 13 May 2011 - 06:44 AM, said:

no catharine was a prototype to see if it would actually make mike fall in love and keep loyal.

also who changed the title?

Also clearly David is working for Sandy as well. I mean, when Mike fell in the river while racing Paulo, who jumped on his hand so he'd almost drown, thus reinforcing Lucy's dependence on Mike, giving her a lasting phobia, and convincing Paulo he could never have a chance with her so she couldn't shift her focus to him? Who convinced Paulo to go out with other girls when the aforementioned plan was in danger of failing? And obviously he started the "kapow" game so people wouldn't be suspicious when the bridge broke. I suspect he sabotaged PauloxTess so she wouldn't have too much influence on him so David could still control him, from which we can conclude that Jazz is also in Sandy's employ.

It makes sense, really; David apparently knew Sandy in third grade, so she could have recruited him then, whereas Daisy was probably not too happy about being abandoned (I'm kidding, Daisy's Daisy, Sandy just knew she couldn't be trusted with a secret plan to torture Lucy), obviously Mike and Lucy can't be secretly working to control Mike to torture Lucy, and I don't think anyone else in the group knew Sandy.

So who can we trust? I think Lily is actively opposing the plan, although of course she can't dare do it openly. But she almost convinced Mike to let go of Sandy, so she's probably one of the good guys. I expect most of the others are merely unwitting pawns being guided by their limited views of what's going on and the covert influences of the agents of the two sides.

Also, little-known fact: Alejandro is also one of the good guys. Not everyone on Lucy's side supported his plan, of course, but they all recognized that if Sandy were to be defeated, Lucy needed to get over the various neuroses that Sandy's agents had cleverly planted in her brain so she could claim Mike while Sandy was still allowing him to think himself single. Alejandro figured that the best way to accomplish this was a massive psychological shock, and he cleverly set up a situation where Lucy could both save Mike and be saved by him. You'll notice it almost worked, too; Alejandro's convinced that if he can just give the impression of a little more danger, it will work next time. It's taking him a while to get his plan set up, though, since he has to keep adjusting it to the changing relationship between Mike and Lucy, but most sources expect him to act soon since right now he only has to focus on changing Mike's mind, which is probably about as easy as his job's ever going to get. He's often been criticized for his Machiavellian nature, of course, but few doubt that it was very helpful in gaining Augustus's allegiance or that said allegiance has not been quite useful. Rumors suggest that once Mike and Lucy are together, Augustus will be allowed to execute any plan he comes up with to get Daisy, and will have access to all resources Alejandro can supply. Some worry that this may lead to war with those who feel the need to protect Daisy and Abbey, but such groups have never had to fight such a formidable opponent as Sandy and this has prevented them from becoming strong, so it's probably not really a problem.

This post has been edited by Borg Lord: 14 May 2011 - 07:40 AM

no i wouldn't think that alejandro was necessarily against sandy's plan but rather a leader in a underground MikeXLucy gang. Augustus was originally a spy sent by Sandy when alejandro wanted him to make 'green eyes' fall in love augustus meant to sabotage it (to satisfy Sandy) but got mixed up and seduced Daisy by accident thus when Augustus was knocked down back in the carnival he said, "I see now 'green eyes'." pointing out he supposed to mess with Mike but instead messed with Daisy. now he feels regret and switched to alejandro's side...for now.

and Sandy wanted Daisy to be on her team but once she knew that Daisy liked Mike Sandy took her off the team. David isn't part of Sandy's team...intentionally. Sandy actually planted a bug in David's brain so he would be her servant, her eyes and ears while she's in rickter. David had some brain damage from the operation but no one seems to notice.

also to those reading this and calling B.S on it honestly shut up and let us have some fun WE'RE CREATIN' SHIT

Borg Lord, I congratulate you on that last comment. I rofl'd.

So I guess i'll just sum up a few points I wanted to make.

1) I do get the feeling that Sandy is actually obsessed with Mike, however a more mild version of the Lucy obsession. She seems pretty frustrated that she cant be with him. From the page where she smacks the lockers, I get the feeling she may have asked her mother if she could go visit him, but was told she was not allowed or was to busy to do so. She also seems very intent on "making him happy" ("I hope it makes you happy") It could be that she feels conflicted about making Mike wait for her.

Mike and Sandy being together for the end of the comic seems a little anticlimatic to me however. For the end of the comic I expect that Mike and Lucy will dealwithit.gif and become friends again, except this time without the romantic involvement or bickering.

2) In 2 years of collecting notes you could do some very serious damage to someone. I've seen a kid almost have a break down from information gathered in just 3 days. I don't think anyone here could imagine what Alejandro could do with 2 years of notes, i'm sure he has A LOT of personal info, like their addresses at the very least.

3) I would have been fine with Alejandro never showing up again in the comic, but then Tae had to go and draw up that page at the beggining of the moving on chapter. I look forward to the revenge chapter since I love when pricks like that get the shit kicked out of them.

Oh yeah speaking of ass whoopings someone mentioned something about Abbey being there when this ambush happens. If Abbey finds out that the guy tried to rape Lucy while Al is right infront of him, I really would not be surprised if Abbey beats him half to death and Daisy is all "No Abbey stop nooooooooo!"

4) Tess is gone for good. We have had pretty much everything explained about her now, and if there is anything more to be added I expect it should happen in this chapter.

Meh, that will do for now.

but i love tess! ex-assholes need love too =[

Don't worry. We'll still see Tess, up to the end of the school year. And I guarantee you, she'll be back in focus sometime before then, if only to sort out her feelings for Paulo.

i like X but i prefer tess X

Harold Camping also thought the world was gonna end though....nooch