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Oh snooths you did it. Oh gee oh boy oh no.

Oh and I dunno if I got back to you or whatever Darkspeeds but yeah if you can survive snooth's video, and do part 2 there's probably no way for me to record on a better machine. Just sayin'. Course I don't know why you'd do part 2 at this point considering the reception...

man you guys are mean
im known as the mean one with mean opinions so its not surprising that i was mean about it but youre all a bunch of silly furries YOU SHOULD BE NICER

Lucy sound like android 18.
LIKE PAULO VOICE!!! *^*!!!!!!!!

Raxki, on 14 June 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

I hate you so much Raxki.

Ace: tbh if he stuck to the script and just animates it how he did with part 1, it would be fine. It's the extra scenes, extra out of character moments, random out of nowhere additions that are frustrating. I mean that's kind of the lesson - the animation and flow is good, the new scenes are not.

Like if the animation was actually loyal to the chapter, the only downside would be the voices, but that can be forgiven.

Hell, if he reuploaded Part 1 without the stupid fancharacter nonsense scene, the product would be 80% better. Just removing that scene.

Taeshi: I'm just sayin people are rather biased now and probably won't like what he does from now on principle. Still, I would enjoy seeing a part two especially because Darkspeeds I do enjoy your animations, you do know your way around the programs you use an your ability to integrate the voices and sounds.

People are biased right now because suggestions have been ignored. People DID warn about adding unnecessary scenes, about extra scenes being out of character, about voices being inappropriate. Can't do much about the voices, but can do a lot with the animation department. Technically, people are asking for LESS content. Enough to follow the script and fill in the gaps that normal comic panels would exclude.

Taeshi, on 14 June 2011 - 03:54 AM, said:

Ah well, yeah truth.

Taeshi, on 14 June 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

but we got a totally new fancharacter out of it

how can you dislike that? she's totally unique and special

Gawd, sooo much drama in here. I've seen some good posts, and some dumb ones. People need to stop going crazy and realize it's a just-for-fun project, just like every other fanart submission on the booru. I haven't seen the Dreamkeepers vid, but the fact that DS said the creators liked it must mean different people have different expectations. I'm cool with people being pretty harsh as long as it's not like blindly hating, you know? I see a lot of flaws that could be fixed too, but just calm down, y'all.

I haven't been able to read the entire topic because I was away for a few days, so I might have missed some things, but of course, now that people have voiced their opinions, I hope DS takes the time to review each of them so he now knows what people's expectations are. I agree with a lot of them and hope he considers making changes. I'ma be very brief, though, since pretty much most people have said what I wanted to say, and my brain is pretty tired.

I thought the technical execution was really nicely done. I liked the way the visuals flowed from panel to panel, and it's something you should keep experimenting with. The subtle stuff like the ear scratch also added a bit of variety in the imagery.

Daisy and Jasmine's voices are great too. It's a shame I barely heard Daisy in this segment!

You should really tone down the anime stuff, though. The "Let's go" and nosebleed didn't really fit the tone of the comic, as others have said. Pretty much what everyone else said about the voices too. MexiCain and Mickey David gotta go. David sure did catch me by surprise.

I actually thought Sue's voice came out better than I thought it would. Perhaps it's the accent. The only thing I didn't like was that she wasn't very expressive with her emotions. During the times when the VA was supposed to yell, I could tell she was lowering her voice as if she was too scared to make noise or something. Just yell, girl!

Overall, considering you had to get this done under a deadline, it's nice what you came up with in a very short time. I would actually be interested in seeing you involved in another scene as long as you let someone else more familiar with the characters' personalities do the directing, with you on the editing. I can see the potential if things are more carefully planned out with a longer working period, so we can see something more accurate to the original mood of the comic.

This post has been edited by Marshmallow: 14 June 2011 - 09:18 AM

Gameking218, on 14 June 2011 - 02:44 AM, said:

HOLY MOLY! Did you just write all of that text!? @_@;

No offense dude, I know your intentions are good but I've only managed to browse through what you have written. Interesting details on possible suggestions though! I'm also glad that you look forward to seeing more in future.

whf, on 14 June 2011 - 02:56 AM, said:

Nah I couldn't be bothered watching another 10 minutes of what I did slapped with somebody's opinion about how bad it is. I saw bits and pieces but it's pretty much the same rubbish.

But yeah I'm really curious - that dude named Snooths, I ONLY just discovered about that video he did as guest feature on the BSCB frontpage.

I actually enjoyed that! Honestly! = ) What I love about is the bg music used to portray the message - jazzy oldschool classics that fit the tone!
And WHO DID THAT KID'S VOICE?? How did Snooth get a young kid to do that? That was amazing - it totally fit the idea! ^_^ I was assuming that it was his kid should he be a parent but I may be wrong in a long shot.

And to anyone else who is reading this can somebody give me a quick profile of Snooths? I'm curious about the dude and why he puts so much hate in the video - was it because I did one too (i.e. an animation tribute of sorts)? I didn't mean any harm since it ain't a contest in the first place.

Taeshi, on 14 June 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

I'd agree! And because of this I've learnt how I can significantly improve the video provided I stick to the guidelines requested from fans, Oliver and Veronica.

And also, I know you haven't posted your own comment Taeshilh, but I have a feeling that my work was a complete insult so I do apologise in advance. I'll have to take what I've learnt and go with it.

Ace, on 14 June 2011 - 03:39 AM, said:

I'm happy to hear that Ace. I guess I'll have to raise my hand and say that this project has reached some success but not as much as I'd wanted. Whether I'll continue with Part 2, well given that I'm starting to understand the true colours of the BSCB community I may not be encouraged to do another one - which is perfectly fine with me, there's no win or loss in this situation! = )

I have no idea that the Snooth's dude would dis the video that I did so terribly... I find it amusing that even when I've done something for fun, for the community and within my limited understanding of the comic concept I get abused! Common sense tells me that if I do another one, even with the new changes, I'll still cop abuse (why? I wouldn't know. = ))

But yeah the great thing about this project was that I've learnt alot from you guys, I can't thank you all enough because it's given me a wake up call should I have stuck to a few things that could have enhanced the video!


[Regarding that last comment: Taeshilh - it was an honest mistake, don't take it the wrong way I get your point! X_x;;..]

This post has been edited by Darkspeeds: 14 June 2011 - 04:55 AM

that was a lot of long long posts, Elson.

the Raven-Lucy thing: look up the show teen titans.
the character Raven speaks rather monitone and disinterested, she was raised in a society where emotions are not important (i think)
oh, if you do google that though, be careful you don't click on any flash videos....


on another note, i didn't realize that accents were bad, but i had then forgotten that in America you honestly can't be an indivicual, or celebrate the culture of your fore-fathers and their homelands; you are an American, that is all you are.
dear heavens, don't let ANYONE be different.

...Android 18 just wants to be loved....

This post has been edited by Tabris: 14 June 2011 - 04:42 AM

Ah I see, so that's what it's about! XXD Thanks for the clear-up.

The only thing I need clearing up at the moment is Snooths! I mean I can personally send him a message and say hi but I don't think it's a good idea after the video he posted... ^^;

oh right i forgot

because you were confused about "Raven Lucy"

Quote

newsflash, they didn't. You added unnecessary scenes that were out of character because you don't have a sound grasp of the source material. They did not enhance it, they hindered it. Any fan that has actually read the entire comic could tell you that.

Take a hint from the VGCats animated adaptation:



Good voices, loyal to the script, once in a while adding a separate gag that doesn't take over the comic. That is enhancing.

^Excellent choice for a clip for raven

This post has been edited by Tabris: 14 June 2011 - 04:48 AM

Ha ha! Nice! Thanks for the ref Taeshilh!

And yeah I just read your comment on my DA, well looks like I blew it. Quite sad for me personally but that's why mistakes exists, I didn't listen and I got a slap for it. I'll be more careful next time! = )


[EDIT]

What the heck??

"I can't thank you all enough because it's given me a wake up call should I not stick to a few things that could have enhanced the video!"


No no! It should have been:

"I can't thank you all enough because it's given me a wake up call should I have stuck to a few things that could have enhanced the video!"


Honestly I didn't see that. X_x;; I did a mistype there, honestly! X_x;;; Let me go and fix that again.

This post has been edited by Darkspeeds: 14 June 2011 - 04:56 AM

LOL Lucy she sound more Raven.
Forgot about Raven's voice .

I am begining to wish Raven was not my favourite character from Teen Titans, as my attitude in the proclemation that all emotions were much to subtle in my VA should probalby be giving me a negative view.

No, Dark, no. You focus on all the wrong things. It wasn't that your sentence needed clarifying, it's that you needed to acknowledge you fucked up. You have a real problem with ignoring people who bring things you don't like to the table. I'm one of them, and it's the biggest reason as to why I'm so hostile towards you. You're an ignorant prick who tried to hide behind the excuse "it's only fun" and then tried to have everything else go his way. You say it's not offical, then you want the creators to give input. Then you want to ignore said input. You've never read the comic through, yet you want to rip us out of the continuity of the page to share with us your ecstatic, childish glee that the book has been released. You used the most unfunny cliché around and had no sense of originality when you did it.

It was a plug. It was shit. You were told many times that things might not be a bad idea, but you forged on and did them anyway. I respect your drive to keep going, but I still think you could learn to stop. Just stop, and think about things. You don't do it enough. You rush around, pressing yourself to a deadline because of a holiday. If you took a minute to chill out, you might have realised that nobody would care if you postponed it while you went to Canada or wherever. You might have realised that it would be good for the finished product NOT to rush everything. But, oh no, too bad, so sad. Your blinding devotion to Sonic and his outdated 90's "Gotta be cool gotta go so fast" attitude meant you just couldn't handle it.

This might seem like blind hate, and it is. I'll admit that I would like nothing better than to break your face for making me sit through ten minutes of what turned out, overall, to be pure shite. There were sections that were passable, maybe even good, but they were few and far inbetween and I was too busy trying not to destroy my monitor to pay attention to them.

However, once again I make valid points and once again I tell you exactly where you went wrong. But because I know you know, Dark, I know exactly how you'll react. You'll make another pathetic attempt to rile me up and mock me, and then you'll disregard everything else so you don't have to deal with it. I'd like to see you, just once, try and justify yourself in a valid way without resorting to your regular bullshit excuses. But hey! I'm fooling myself here! Hurry up and shove me to one side, Dark, you've got another project to do when you come back from your holiday, and nothing can get in your way, gotta rush rush rush.

Yish, dropping an FFFbomb much.

Hey, now, Sushi, people don't like to admit they're wrong. Sure, "I shouldn't have done x" is not actually equivalent to "I was wrong to do x," but it's likely to be the best you're going to get. If I were you (but still in fact me more or less, just impersonating you) I would demand that he repost the video without the scene about the book and drop the rest of it. Of course, if I were actually you I think I'd ignore me at best; correct me if I'm wrong but while this may not be an argument I would enjoy, the same does not go for you. Thus this is just a big waste of electrons, but I still want to get my input in. That, and if it so happens you disagree with my opinions it might lead to an interesting debate, even if it probably won't be quite as fun as trouncing some idiot in an argument.

hmm this sounds quite familiar eh sushi?

You know me too well. Stop being creepy, creeper.

Although I wouldn't demand he repost the video just with that scene removed. I'd demand he addressed every raised issue first.

I think you're getting too whiny about this animation at this point Sushi, and overblowing your disappointment. There's multiple issues that can't really be redone, especially if he's getting attacked by people like you. Why would he owe it to you to fix it? You're not going to be happy, there's far too many issues you have with it.

I think Borg Lord and my suggestion is the best one - which is completely and utterly eliminating the book scene. There is no need for it, it is the most glaring issue in the animation, and no matter how much you (Sushi) trash it for being a "piece of crap", the animation aspect is actually pretty well-made. As much as you can do with a comic page, it's expected for it to kind of run like a slide show, and having extra panels to express the movement is one of the strong parts of the animation. I don't get why people are criticising the "slide show" aspect, it's meant to adapt from a comic page. From still-moving images. Are you guys seriously expecting him to make everything free-flowing? It's basically just meant to be a moving version of the comic, so of course there's going to be still-shots, and he did really well adding scenes to go in-between the panels. (Well, scenes that would help the flow, not absolutely random scenes like David speaking more lines that he was intended)

Removing that scene would make it look less like a painful advertisement, and more like an actual adaptation of the chapter. The new scenes are done with already, there could be more trimming for that, but at the end of the day who cares

my real anger is honestly the addition of fancharacters babbling when that wasn't apparent in the chapter, people are well-aware of my stance on them, and that's what sours it up mainly for me. I've dealt with absolutely hating Lucy's voice because it's out of character, and ultimately accepting Paulo's voice.

And for goodness sake's people, David's voice might be Mickey Mouse, but it's what? Two freaken lines? Bloody deal with it! I personally thought it was amusing because it was absurd, I didn't take it as some RAPEAGE OF DAVID. Maybe it woulda been more relevant if David had leading lines in this, but he only said like two things and that's it. It's silly. It's dumb. There are bigger things to worry about. If David was in a serious role I could understand, but it wasn't. It was two silly lines of him being silly and you guys are just trying to find more to whine about.

I know I've been quiet about it because I found the whole added scenes/ignoring my suggestions for voices frustrating, but you guys are turning this into some sort of bandwagon to be dickheads and that's honestly not appreciated. It makes people like Maverik who have been consistently helpful/blunt/etc just get generalised with the rest of you. I know I've bitched on like IRC, but it's getting to the point where the bitchery is just absurd. Gosh.

Given that it was the first BCB animation that I looked at, I kind of liked it? I can't complain at the art quality, and how it was visually put together. I guessed that the David sounding like Mickey was a joke, but it felt like a bad joke. Completely misplaced. And yeah, it was only short lines, but jokes are supposed to be short. That does not make it a good excuse. The whole thing felt so hyped up the moment the topic was made and it just kept building up. It was being done fast, and everyone felt so efficient showing effort and energy. So I thought it was going to be awesome. Which it was, because I liked it from the visuals alone. But that's just me.

The part with Larken and the others just having lunch was unexpected. A subplot that also makes people speculate. Since there was added material, maybe the rest of the animated adaption had similar touches too that expands the BCB universe in a way people would like, that's what I thought. But then it turned out to be advertising, and why does it have to be about that? Since I'm guessing that most of the viewers already know about the book. And the people here don't like fan characters to begin with.

In the end, I had a similar feeling a 15 year old gets when his childhood gets broken. Not close to that magnitude, but similar. It could have been more.

Ah well, hum....hum...well, how to say this...

Well, working in an animation is a very complexed strategy that....seriously, two weeks are too rushed. I understand Elson's pride for doing it so fast and tha's remarkable for the animation, but maybe if he did a bigger and more exigent audition that seems that got many candidates, the voicing might couldn't be...so blowing in some characters.

Elson, if you voiced David because he is (apparently) your BCB favorite character, I think that you didn't so well as you did with the cat-looking overconfident char of DreamKeepers, lol
You heard a lot of that, there's no need to talk about it when probably you are tired of the same and same complains. But that flaw exists and is not too late to fix it.

About the extra scenes, some are good. Others, I kinda agree that are out of the character. Paulo jumping around? Man, he is not THAT idiot. Paulo nosebleeding? About Jasmine? Way or too early or too random, cuz there's no chemical between them, they are just.....I dunno hanging out? They don't even kissed. I don't think that Paulo find Jasmine more attractive than Lucy. Is a bit like Daisy, she is dating Abbey but she has still hots for Mike and Augustus (?). Teenager quadrangular love circles, lol. Just saying that their relationship is very green in this point. Seriously they look more like friends than a couple.

You are good to voice girls, Elson. My jaw dropped when I noticed that you VOICED Rachel. Whoa.

I don't know why you gave such importance to the fancharacters. That chapter was been the last one that they appeared and they made a very, well, unecessary book publicity. I agree with Taeshi, is a good idea to cut that scene. The whole fancharacter scene I mean. They were been all murdered after the elections chapter. All my respect for their creators.

This post has been edited by Knux-the-Killer: 14 June 2011 - 10:05 AM

I see I missed a lot of "discussion" here last night o_o"

I'll just leave this here http://i.imgur.com/cYAvW.png

^Old joke is old.

Well if there is one thing I think most everybody can agree on, it's that Darkspeeds planned a project and actually followed through in finishing it. Can't really say the same about many others. How many times has someone hyped something up and then faltered at the start or halfway through, collapsing from scrutiny and ridicule?

True, very true. Some things never collapse from scrutiny or ridicule. Some continue on and are disliked by many. A finish does not necessarily equate a success.

A poor finish is better than no finish at all. As long as you have the choice to not watch it, it is logically impossible for a video to be worse than its nonexistence.

borg i agree with you

Darkspeeds, on 14 June 2011 - 04:36 AM, said:

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Overall I thought it was a good effort all things considered, I wondered what I would be like if you took out all the bits people had problems with, long story short; here's the product.



Edit: Just noticed that Grayscale thing didn't work at the end. Bugger.

This post has been edited by LackLuster: 15 June 2011 - 06:17 PM

Hi everyone! I decided to take a short break from the aftermath. Got my thoughts together to make one last reply! = )


I just want to thank everyone who have contributed their two cents, whether it be on the forums, PM, Skype, DA, or e-mail. Like I said it's been an incredible insight and an interesting experience (personally) at BSCB community. I really didn't expect the project to create the response that it's received, however, I wouldn't have done anything differently if I had the chance, because now I know what not to do in this particular fandom.

The only disappointments I have in the process of making this animation adaptation, and finishing it, are that I've let some friends down and also created disappointment amongst fans loyal to this series. Even those who voice acted in this project didn't get back to me on some form of feedback about their experience or contribution (with the exception of Ace and Tabris who posted on this thread), and I can understand why they wouldn't want their say seeing what happened after the video was released. Nevertheless if any of the VA's who voiced in the project and are reading this, please don't hesitate to write to me, I'm more than happy to listen. = )


Anyways...

I'd like to share my thanks to Taeshilh, Oliver, Maverik and all the others who have contributed their analysis, critique and encouragement.

Sushi, you're an interesting fellow. I do read people's replies, but it doesn't mean I have to reply to them do I? Like I said if you are ever in the UK next year you're going to have to show me how to do some of that free-running cool shit.

As for Whf, ah so you're Snooths! It doesn't help when somebody hides general info about themselves - you really are 100 years old huh?
When I meant profile, I meant it as in the person's general background in the fandom. Are they a regular poster and generally friendly? A critique kind of person? A shitbag? Someone who is proactive in the community? It doesn't matter, I just wanted to know who you are and let you know that I actually enjoyed that video you did (i.e. the one about BSCB and the characters with the kid's voice narrating the story)! = )

Anyways I'll be checking the forums from time to time, you'll probably see me more in the Candybooru posting fan-art.


One last important thing before I go!

Some of you guys will be going to Supanova in Sydney today! Awesome stuff. Do have an excellent time and show your support to Veronica and Oliver (all the best selling those books ya buggers, I've sold all of mine at Summer of Sonic last year, you better do the same!! XXD ...)! Sydney's fantastic and I'm sure you'll all have a great time meeting and catching up! Originally I was going to come to Sydney to visit them and join them at the convention but work didn't grant me the annual leave dates I requested (you have to book at least 3 months in advance! ...)

And of course, to everyone else who are attending the BSCB meet-up at ConnectiCon via the United States, hope you'll have an excellent time too! I'll be in Canada by then, but nevertheless do make the most of it cuz I know what it's like to be in those meet-ups - been to three of those with the Sonic UK/international community in the UK, best times of my life!


Take care and have a good one! *thumbs up*

You're doing it yet again. Claiming you don't have to do anything and then telling someone do something in the same breath. Whatever, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Sushi, don't be a jerk.

That's like telling a fish not to extract oxygen molecules from water. Douche.

He didn't even respond to Lackluster's edit

I really loved what Lackluster did with it, it made me genuinely like the animation and it wasn't just because of the end bit. It followed the script while having little minor editions that made sense in the flow, and had the good animation and it was just really ace, I would defend that if that was put out instead.

Just finished viewing Lackluster's vid and I have to agree with Taeshi. No offence Darkspeeds but those extra animations you did really did not suit well with either the script, personality or both =/. What Lackluster put together took out all of the negative parts and actually pieced together something worth viewing by a random passerby. I realize that promotion and advertisement is important but the animation you did was, in my opinion, a bit of an exaggeration. But in general your animation skills are rather good compared to others I've seen that focus on this comic. So in my point of view you get a A- for effort A+ for enthusiasm and a C- for the video

The thing is, a loyal animation is its own promotion of the comic. Because it lets newcomers know what the comic is really about, and not be fooled by random additions not in the original. Maybe some people would like the anime humour, but other newcomers would think "wow looks like dumb animay comic"

And those who like the anime humor would be disappointed because that humor was only around until like 2007

Darkspeeds, on 17 June 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

whf is a shit name and i shoulda been snooths on the forums as that is how i am referred to by everyone in the community but i am stupid and there is a backstory behind whf that no one cares about that ive
i sort of explained my role in the community here in this topic (scroll a bit)
its not great and i could better explain it now but i dont want to look too much like a self absorbed asshole so i shall refrain

http://www.bitterswe...debate-topic-3/

it comes down to this: ive got a stupid sense of humor and like being mischievous and im really only here for the community and the entertainment i get from it/ the people i like
people hate me at first (spacemouse hated me for a while/ susan hated me/ lots of other people who have since gone on to warm up to me) but im pretty friendly when spoken to one on one and i can justify the way i am pretty well

also: i thought your video wasnt great and i thought the voices werent very well done in a lot of ways and it was overall pretty silly, but i am just a dick and i dont want to discourage you, as im glad you put in the time and effort to make something like this, no matter how the final product was recieved. i think people are being way too hard on you and i think their high expectations have more contributed to their opinion of the movie than the actual movie. while the anime and fancharacters and the useless advertising could have been cut out, and it would be really nice if you took more advice from the people that really care about the comic and are willing to provide legitimate criticism to help improve the overall movie, it wasnt really that bad for what it was, and the petty insults people are giving you are pretty immature and silly.

by the way i really have no serious problem with you or anything, and i couldnt give less of a shit about this movie or anything. im not bummed that you did this video or anything, in fact im glad because my video was just for shits n giggles (i explain it in the comments towards the bottom if you care). im glad you enjoyed my video, and theres no real "hate" put into that vid i made of me watching, im just goofin around on it like id do for anything. aside from mocking the voices, i dont really do much else actually besides maybe parody the fact that you have advertising stuck in which seemed out of place and useless, as i doubt many people from outside the community will be seeing this anytime soon, or being intrigued enough by it to come read the comic.

ps. the kid is drnoyds roomates little kid. hes 6 and he basically improved that entire thing.

oh wait you left WELL FUCK

Sorry one last post! Promise!

@ Taeshilh - Geez, jump the gun will ya, ya silly billy! I posted a big ass comment at LackLuster's YouTube page. I'm glad he did that video to clarify what many of you would have expected from it - so thanks again LackLuster! If my post ain't showing on YT then I'm going to kick someone's ass because it probably didn't go through when I posted it. X_x;;; I'll write it up again in two separate parts.


@ RedJack - No offense taken mate! Thanks for letting me know what you really think of it! = )


@ whf - Ah so I see, what an interesting history you got there Snooths. Nevertheless it's kind of you to share your background info and your role here in the BSCB community, and it's been really cool to hear your thoughts about the video I'm made over the two weeks.

I really didn't expect things to blow out of proportion for a reception, especially to the people who take the video for granted, took advantage of the mistakes I've made and threw petty insults at those mistakes. I mean, mistakes are to be made in order to learn and improve from it, there's nothing wrong with that right? I like how Borg Lord mentioned about 'how people don't like to admit that they're wrong', but I can definitely admit that I've done some wrong in the project given the 2 weeks I've had. Maybe I could have just spent 2 weeks on the art editing, come back from my holiday, take time to listen to suggestions from the creators/look for professional VA's to do the voices and spend another week getting the audio done properly. I would have still been critised heavily on the advert/promo section of the video because I still would have posted it without knowing how the fans will react. At that time I thought it would be a cool and nice way to show what I thought about the release of the book. It was a risk and I took it to see how everyone would respond, and now that I know how the fans/creators respond to it I will not do something like that ever again (not for BSCB's case).

Anyways enough about my video, let's talk about yours.


Regarding your video I really liked Drnoyd's narration (props to the little kid!), I don't know but he really brings the magic in that animation (along with the chalkboard theme and Bourbon Street Jazz music playing in the BG - who choose those songs? Brilliant! ^^). The moment I heard the music at the beginning I knew there was something unique about it, melodramatic followed by that jazzy happy feet kind of music, it blends well with the overall theme of the narrative and the humble presentation of the animation (how did you do that chalky animation? It's candilicious - I know it's a made up word but meh! ) To finish it off I enjoyed alot of the lines featured in the animation, from what I remember I liked: "And there's a cat named Lucy... And she can KICK BUTT...", "You say Paul - o with an 'O', he's a player... What's a player?" (XXD), "There's a dog name Daniel..." "Abbey, he's sad then mad. etc.. etc..."

So yeah that's what I thought of it at length, it kinda sucks how you also received a fair share of petty insults from the silly and immature, I mean why didn't they just accept it for what it is and just move on? Pisses me off when people take things for granted - whether it be shit or not.

Anyways all the best in whatever you do buddy, keep at it and thanks for making that video!

[EDIT]

Ah cool! So you utilised both Artrage and Flash to create the effects and animation. You're talented indeed! I suck at using Flash, I favour for something where I can immediately create movement of panels using a frame-by-frame action (not like the tween and coding you do in Flash, get's really complicated when you go deep into the advanced tricks! X_X;...)

But yeah not to worry, I'll be sure to do what I can to encourage myself to do another BSCB project of the animated kind in future! *thumbs up*



@ LackLuster - F@#%$#%^!! My message didn't get through on Youtube the other day! Garrgh! I'll have to write it all again. ;__; X_X; Ah well let's try to recap.

Oh btw before I talk about the video - dude! You're in Australia too? Do you and Maverik happen to be in the Eastern States via Sydney/Melbourne? I was thinking that one day when I catch up with Veronica and Oliver I want to hire a car and take them to Hunter Valley and take a weekend break over there to relax in the country. We should hook up and get Mav to join in. If it's Melbourne we should definitely do the tourist drive via the Coast to 12 Apostles, it's one of the best drives I've ever done while touring Australia (did it with my sis 2 years ago). Just a thought!


Anyways when I first saw the video and the title to it I just couldn't wait to see what changes you've made! I was expecting the obvious - i.e. the removal of the advert/promo scene - but what was even more interesting to me was how you executed it. You did brilliantly cutting away that scene entirely and just pushing it along straight into Michael's part! I'm pretty impressed! = ) The only thing that I can say, if I'm being picky, is that you fade the cafeteria crowd bg sfx a little more earlier so that it doesn't disrupt Mike's lines during his debut to the chapter. ^^

And yes! David's extra bit got cut off! X3 Nice transition work there, it flowed nicely actually now that I see it after the edits! Further edits I've noticed included: Paulo disregarding the finger, Paulo's Jazz hands (nobody explained to me what this 'Jazz hands' business is! ) and Abbey's last line 'actually'.

That last track you've replaced for the credits theme - cheerful, I like it!

Overall you did a great job cutting away the unnecessary bits and portrayed how the video could have significantly improved (by V's standards, 80% better!). What program did you use btw? I saw on your profile that you're an amateur Artist/Animator with experience in Graphic Design, sweet as dude! That explains why you were able to do this so quickly!

Nevertheless thanks for sharing yours, as well as the people who shared proper critique, would have favoured in the end product. This is interactive critique at it's best. *thumbs up*

This post has been edited by Darkspeeds: 19 June 2011 - 12:24 PM

Just drop it here. Youtube only allows 500 words per comment.

i set my video up, knowing id get petty insults in mind. it was meant to be a disappointment, as that was the joke, but the other content was supposed to make up for that disappointment, and the people who were expecting a full blown bcb movie focused more on the let down than the other content. this prompted some hilarious comments and i love those.

i did everything in the movie besides the voice over.
to do the animation, i used the chalk tool in artrage to draw the characters twice and then imported them into flash and put both the pngs into a symbol and tweened them around.

im glad you dug it and you shouldnt feel discouraged man, just keep doing your think. id say to try and listen to the people giving you criticism more next time but dont feel too shitty or anything.

<Cricket> I honestly, genuinely think that darkspeeds is cute.

you wanna hook up with kaxbe bro

Darkspeeds, on 18 June 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

We both live in the Eastern states, but we're up in Queensland as both of our profiles suggest (Brisbane). So I suppose we really can't do that unless we fly south and crash on Tae's and Suit's pad at some point. Might need to see what Mav's up to since I don't speak for him, we haven't even met up for a coffee yet (I only recently started to interact with this community). Thanks for the offer though, we'll have to see what happens.

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Really? Thanks, generally cutting stuff isn't exactly really praise-worthy in my field, but thanks nonetheless. It's no real big deal though, all I did was just cut two points; the first when the pan of the cafeteria ended before it swapped to Larken, and just before Mike faded in. I really did want to keep that scene in there with them at the table, but more to Kaxbe's interpretation of that scene.

About the small mistakes, thanks, I'm quite aware there's quite a few mistakes here and there that I missed and didn't have a chance to go back on: I would've fixed both those parts, but Tae said no more (it was late as well, we all needed sleep). I mistakenly overlooked it when I was correcting some of the more outstanding errors. I would have done is exactly what you wrote to fix it though; I would have lowered its volume so that it was unnoticeable and merged it in with the background sound, ending it just before Mike begins talking. Otherwise, sadly it ends while Daisy is talking. Oops.

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The whole Jazz hands bit is the part where Paulo is walking out of the scene (13 seconds long x_x), I believe. That part where Abbey says 'Actually' comes a bit later in that same scene. It doesn't exactly make sense to say "Actually" at the end of a sentence.

You had noticed what I had basically done though, right? Everything I edited out was to get the adaptation to the original material as much as possible, though I kept some extra material in that you had done that didn't alter the flow. It's the exact same thing with what you did with the Dreamkeeper's comic adaptation; you kept it as close to the original material as much as possible (maybe one or two new minor additions that weren't in the comic that are barely noticeable) without any deviation from the original. Thus it was enjoyable for those who had read the comic to see that scene get acted out, and for people who had not seen the comic to then go to the comic, see that scene and see the rest of the book in that fashion.

It's cool to put your own spin on something, but it's kind of difficult to do that and then try to sell the comic to your viewers as strong as you had, and then expect a lot of people to understand. Otherwise you end up selling something that's in your style of presenting and not in the original. When that happens, you have people from the community say "Well this isn't what I read or understand", as we've all seen, and other people who then go to the comic and say "This isn't what I expected from the video".

Additional food-for-thought, but as an artist you really want to try and be flexible. I do a lot of science-fiction, but I try to have a shot into other genres every so often, slice-of-life, action, mystery, romance and so on without pulling science-fiction into it. Research comes crucial into understanding everything about that genre so you're aiming your content at the right audience. This is why I bought up my original concern regarding implementing reactionary things into a slice-of-life comic. The flow looked like it was in danger of being mixed around between action and a calm genre. A lot of things would seem out of place and the flow would be mixed. The end result was my concern of who your audience was, because frankly it would not seem to be us if this was the case.

Sadly you've had to learn the hard way, it's discouraging but something to learn and gain new experience from, as you have.

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That was all Maverik, he picked and suggested that one. Otherwise Tae and I would have gone with the intro to "School Days" and we would've put that in just to see how many people would've picked it out (And potentially thought the whole comic would end with one of them all killing each other/killing themselves).

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That's probably what it looks like but it took significantly longer than what we originally thought it would, I hadn't used Adobe After Effects for over a year, so I had to relearn some key stuff while I was doing it, like clipping scenes - which is made completely redundant and could be done with just a few mouse clicks in Premiere, instead of a minute by finding the points I wanted it to clip at in a seperate viewer and import it that way. It's an extremely powerful video composing tool otherwise.

By no means did we do it in a short time; it took 7 hours to do everything, far longer than what I expected. What should have taken five minutes clipping things out took 2 hours. Rendering took 1 in total because I had to find the right codecs and bitrates to use. 3 hours in total to making sure the tweening and fading was precise and an hour just to review everything.

In effect what I only expected to work on for 2 hours I essentially pushed it to 7. This is the split between having a deadline (as you mentioned long before in regards to projects, which is alright for some projects when you have a team, not generally when you're by yourself since you're only one guy) and making sure you hit the nail on the head the first time. I could have finished this up remarkably early but I wanted to make sure it was near-perfect, not just in my eyes but everyone else who would give this a view. So I stayed on the line with Tae and Mav throughout the entire night to ensure that this was as perfect between the creator, visionary and reader as much as possible. The end result of doing this was everyone who saw it in the IRC liking it and the people here commenting on it too. You don't have to do exactly what we did, but even sending people some private links from youtube to your WIP is effective.

That said, you might want to consider having a QA session during any future projects just to ensure your next project is on the right track and will be a huge success. You don't have to show everyone but so long as you get feedback, that's what matters the most. Believe me when I say no magic is ever lost when you show people your progress.

Good luck on your future endeavors.

This post has been edited by LackLuster: 19 June 2011 - 05:35 AM