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Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 12:13 AM, said:

I first did Wikipedia, but figured, it's Wikipedia, so I went to the library. I ask the librarian lots of questions, since she was a huge Tarot fan. She taught me and I even got some notes, like the Basic Symbols and Basic Story. She gave me those notes, nya. She also gave me a book, it was called "The Only Tarot Book You'll Ever Need". Looking it up right now, someone named Skye Alexander made that books. She taught me everything she knew. A little later, she was transfered to another library, one that I couldn't go to. So, I finished up the rest of the book. (Read it, it's good.) I read something else that was called something like "Learning Tarot: Book for Beginners" or something like that. I just looked up the book and it's called "Learning the Tarot: A Tarot Book for Beginners" by Joan Bunning. I looked at the book and found nothing new. I looked up more and more, but I hardly got any new info. So, I went on the internet and used a site that the librarian used to teach me with. I don't remember it's name though. I also used some other sites, but I don't remember them either. They had hardly any new info but some of it was pure gold and helpful. Any more questions?

Shotgun Wizard, on 30 May 2011 - 12:20 AM, said:

Who is that?

Radial, on 30 May 2011 - 12:38 AM, said:

Perhaps, nya. But, nya, you have to mew and mew to nyan mew meow nyan nya nyan~koi mew. Do meou understand neow?

Having looked up both of those books, I can say with confidence that both of them stand on lies and bullshit. Hilarious, but bullshit nonetheless.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 12:40 AM, said:

Jerk, on 30 May 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:

You can use them to go into the depths of your inner psyche. I don't like when people use them in fortunes like "Will he date me?" or something but it should be used rather in showing what lies ahead, whether it is transformation or a symbolic way of rebirth. The cards help those on journeys to seek truths.

And by the way, the cards are usually depicted by the creators views on each thing. Like to one, the Fool looks like a harlequin. To another, it could be a young person.

There is no bounds to the limit of bullshit coming from your keyboard. I've read all those books that you listed. You are going about the whole thing backwards. You are trying to use the result to find the determiner by how you are doing things. Every single book that I have read has given the same method of finding someone's birth arcana. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. And then you all of a sudden come in claiming that you have the TRUE way to find the arcana. A beginner.

You are full of bullshit.

You know one of the things you are missing? A proper history of the Tarot. You know what else you are missing? A sense of modesty.

If you REALLY read those books, you'd know about the other forms that the arcana takes. Not only that, you'd know about the minor arcana and how they play into reading Tarot. Part of what you are telling people in this thread is determined by a proper reading using a full deck.

Furthermore, ANYONE can do basic story telling. And do you know what story telling is used for in Tarot? It is used in READINGS. ACTUAL READINGS. Basic story is basic. Anyone can do it. It is a formula that is passed on and on and on. And you know what. You even manage to fuck that up. As I said earlier, stories are used for readings! But you're not even doing a reading! You're trying to determine someone's arcana! That's just one card! This leads me to think that you are just someone who dabbles in Tarot without even knowing anything about it! Do you know why it's called a "reading"? Because it's a *gasp* STORY! A story resulting from using MANY CARDS. With each card having not just one meaning, BUT MANY. Your interpretation of The Devil earlier was completely wrong earlier also, not to mention how you came to that result. Do you know who is born under The Devil? I am. Am I a self-involved, living on primal instinct dickwad? Nope! I bet you think that The Lovers is a primarily sexual/romantic card. Such folly.

Finally, do you know what you have been claiming to do this entire thread? You have claimed that you used SCIENCE to prove your method. Not to mention incorrect science and an incorrect method. Science in itself is proof driven. The Tarot, and other forms of fortune telling (not to mention superstition and religion) are FAITH driven. You're trying to PROVE FAITH. There are SEVERAL things wrong there. Faith is belief in the absence of proof. I swear, it's as if you WANT to disprove the Tarot.

I'm sorry. But you have given me no reason to believe anything that you say.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 12:49 AM, said:

CONGRATS. YOU JUST DESCRIBED FORTUNE TELLING.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 12:53 AM

Yeah, I agree. Tarot cards are shit.


lol

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

Ugh! Will this bitch H-O-D for once.

First, a card can represent personality. Do I have to spell that out. A Devil is violent and impulsive, a Hermit is wise, the World is completion, those can represent different things. Those are obvi not the whole meaning, but that's not the point. I'm using the scientific method to see how this can show psyche. The basic meanings are universally set, like what they mean. The more complex meanings are what is in the picture. For example, if one sees a tree, it could resemble knowledge, but to another it could represent birth to another. What about a snake? It could represent knowledge or lust, but to someone who has a fear of snakes could mean something worse. The meaning for the arcanas can represent someone's personality, like how the High Priestess is. You can be an arcana, and I wanted to find a test to prove what arcana someone is.

And yes, I know that it makes a story, but it is supposed to represent your journey ahead in life. Each reading is done with the same cards, but the result is away supposed to be different. Life itself follows the same principles. Each arcana represents a different thing. Here's an example:

"The Tower in the upright position represents the immediate future. It appears a terrible catastrophe is imminent. The card indicating the future beyond that is... The Moon, in the upright position. This card represents "hesitation" and "mystery"... I think it's very interesting. It seems that you will encounter a misfortune at your destination, and a great mystery will be imposed on you..."

That means the coming time, perhaps the coming year or something, is a turning point in your destiny. If the mystery goes unsolved, your future may be forever lost.

Lastly, you are an idiot. In modern times like today, the Lovers is portrayed more of a symbol of love and romantic relationships, although it can also be a symbol of finding agreement with an ordinary friend or even two conflicting elements within. In tarot readings, the Lovers arcana initially represented two paths life could lead to, and thus a symbol of standing at a crossroad and needing to make a decision. It could delve into moralities, as in do what's right or do what feels right. You could be torn between going with your dad when your parents divorce, or going with your mom, if your parents had a divorce. (This is referring to a kid, if you didn't figure that out.) And, admitting yourself as the Devil arcana proves the point, you are a dick, you're too self indulged to realize that, though. I'm willing to admit, I'm arguing to prove my point, and you are too. Your way, however, is a way that just wants to be right. My way is to prove that it is not right and you don't know everything, so don't act like you do. And, if you don't act like the Devil in that description order, perhaps you are not that arcana. Have you even thought about trying the damn thing? I tried yours, so why not try mine's?

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

By fortunes, I mean stuff like whether I'm going to get a date or something. What lies in the journey is what supposed to be revealed, not just one stupid little unimportant thing.

Meowth, on 30 May 2011 - 01:08 AM, said:

That doesn't prove a things of that nature are fake. She could be a fake, or the man could be drowned by water on accident. That has no pure logical closure point, and a questionable opening point, too.

All you did in your last post was give me representations of the cards. Also, never did I ever say that the birth arcana can't reference to personality. I did, however, say that you cannot find the cards based on JUST personality. The cards are used to determine path and predict personality. In all honesty, they are just a tool used in fortune telling.

Also, CARDS REPRESENT. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. BUT YOU CANNOT FORM A FULL STORY FROM JUST ONE FUCKING CARD. You have hinted to part of a story, but NOT THE STORY ITSELF.

Furthermore, I have said time and time again why your way is wrong. Even the books that you have listed, books that I have read several times over, WOULD DISAGREE WITH HOW YOU FOUND THE ARCANA. You are going about it BACKWARDS.

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Oh, that wasn't my point. My point was that she, and other con artists, have a following, and it's a rather stupid one. It simply goes to show the general ignorance of the masses,and for that reason, why should I listen to you? Just another one of the ignorant masses.

You know who else was ignorant? Hitler. You fucking Nazi.

Meowth~


Also, DMLD, that's still fortune telling.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 01:35 AM

Nevermind the fact that we've proven the quiz you supposedly invented was posted online 5 years ago. A fact which you've seen fit to try and push aside.

This post has been edited by MiwAuturu: 30 May 2011 - 01:40 AM

This is what DMLD is doing:

Meowth, on 30 May 2011 - 01:33 AM, said:

Uh, prove the point that I'm a Nazi with not so big jumps to conclusions and then will talk honey.

MiwAuturu, on 30 May 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

Simplistic, I made the quiz. I gave the quiz to a friend. He left, but said he was going to put it on a site, and now it is.

MiwAuturu, on 30 May 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

you supposedly invented was posted online 5 years ago.

was posted online 5 years ago.

posted online 5 years ago.

5 years ago

Yeah, I call bullshit if you claim you made this that long ago, you would have been what, like 9 then?

This post has been edited by MiwAuturu: 30 May 2011 - 01:49 AM

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 01:34 AM, said:

It is, but I think you aren't understanding this. It should show what lies ahead in the future, but not by one request of someone who wants to know if they are getting a date or not. That could be in the Tarot reading, but I don't think that you should do a Tarot reading just inly for that. You should see for long term, what you'll learn over the months, the challenges you will be presented, stuff like that. They are both fortune telling, but one is a pointless thing and the other is for personal growth.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 01:39 AM, said:

I was doing chores.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 01:30 AM, said:

I didn't want to do a whole story, I just wanted to show a little example. I know they represent and don't form a story with just ONE card, but one card represents, and it could represent a person's psyche or a person's way of lie or something.

In order for you to claim that your friend is somehow responsible for that site being made you would have had to have given that information to your friend before he "left" in 2004. In which case, you would have been seven at the most. Considering that you asked a librarian about the Tarot, I have further reason to believe you are bullshitting. Did you know that several libraries in the US have a code on what they can lend out to children? Did you know that on the list of things that it is not recommended to give children that Tarot and other forms of fortune telling are among those? In libraries, if a child comes asking for one one of those books or topics, the librarian is supposed to discourage the child from checking out that book and turn them towards similar, but more appropriate material instead.

I'm sorry, but I still have no reason to believe you, based on what I have read, what I have experienced, and what has been revealed about you since this thread's inception.

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DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 01:50 AM, said:

You still have not given any reason for me to believe that your way of finding arcana based on personality is proper. In fact, how you found that you were born under The Devil is incorrect as well. And, if you really did swear by the Tarot, you wouldn't have questioned your finding of The Devil. You would know that being born under The Devil does not make you an evil dick.

I'm sorry, I just have no reason to believe you.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 01:54 AM

MiwAuturu, on 30 May 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

I was seven, near eight. I started learning about Tarot, I made the quiz when I was eight, and my friend moved also when I was eight. Unknowingly to me, it was posted online when I was nine or ten, nya.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

The fact you didn't argue with me after I called you ignorant must mean you're ignorant, because it doesn't take genius to diffuse such terrible logic.

So if:

You = Ignorant

Hitler = Ignorant (You didn't argue with this either)

Then by association

You = Hitler

Therefore, you are the antichrist, a nazi, ignorant, and a fake psychic.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 01:52 AM, said:

If this is true then really, the fact that you were only eight when you made this quiz makes me believe it considerably less than I already did. Especially considering what I've seen of you previously I would describe you as being slightly less than intelligent, and Kaxbe seriously seems to know a lot more of what he's talking about.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 01:52 AM, said:

Oh. You made this test when you were a novice. And seven. THAT OBVIOUSLY ADDS LAYERS OF CREDIBILITY TO YOUR TEST.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 01:51 AM, said:

Maybe that's what they did at YOUR library, but they encouraged kids to seek knowledge at young ages. I was reading manga ever since I was five, my brother recommended it to me and I ask the librarian to give me more. She was impressed and she handed me some pretty good books. Sometimes I even talked with the librarians about their political views. They wanted to give youth knowledge, like libraries and librarians should. I always wanted to expand my knowledge because I questioned things. I didn't say it's like that because it's like that. Some people want to know how to do a job. That's a good worker. I wanted to know why do the job and how to do it. That makes a person a great boss.

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Bullshit

MiwAuturu, on 30 May 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

He's just being an annoying cunt that's trying to up-stand a kid; a kid that knows what the fuck he's talking about I add.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

Read the whole thing. I did research, I did tests, I used the scientific method. Don't look down on someone because they are young. Sometimes the most profound wisdom comes from people of young ages. I was six and with a few simple questions I tore down the whole belief system of Christianity and lost the faith.

Sure, librarians are supposed to give knowledge. That's part of what librarians do. However, librarians have a duty to the community. I've volunteered at libraries several times and in different places since I have moved around a lot. Librarians are supposed to know what is appropriate and what is not. I'm pretty sure that no librarian would ever lend out a copy of the Goetia to a child if they were to ask for it.

The rules for libraries are the same ANYWHERE in the United States.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

I am not looking down on you because you are young. I am looking down on you because you have continually made posts that contradict not only what I have read and researched about Tarot, but also contradicts things that you yourself have said.

I have no reason to believe that your test is accurate or proper.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 02:05 AM

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

But we are in different places. Of course, I asked about sex at the library and they didn't give me any info about it, but they gave me info about Tarot cards and other stuff. In fact, I asked for the Grapes of Wrath when I was in the fourth grade and they gave me a copy. (I didn't get to read it though since my brother temporarily lost it. It's a on a huge waiting list now. I would read it, but don't feel like it now.) They pushed knowledge on us. Some places have different boundaries.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Or, and I'm just going out on a limb here, you're not as intelligent as you think you are.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

Have you taken it? Have you done it? Did you do the scientific method? I would offer the quiz to you, but you would probably be biased and hide facts and say I was wrong so you can impel your way. You have to tackle the quiz with pure honesty, and have the courage to look at your true self without lying. You may not like it, but you have to accept it. You can't change certain things, but you there are things you can change. To change them, you have to understand them. If you can understand them but can't change them, that's how it is. Try to develop something to counteract it. Dig deep in the well of conviction, and try to change. That is the key.

Jerk, on 30 May 2011 - 02:07 AM, said:

Perhaps, I'm not denying that. I know what I'm talking about and I know nothing of things that I know nothing about. I understand and know about Tarot cards, however. I don't know every single little thing, but I know what I know.

DMLD96, on 30 May 2011 - 02:13 AM, said:

This post has been edited by MiwAuturu: 30 May 2011 - 02:16 AM

MiwAuturu, on 30 May 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

My point exactly.

Okay, fine. I'll humor you. I'll take your test and I'll be honest. I'll ignore the fact that you are going by the physical representations of the cards in the past and the claim that you made that anyone born under The Devil is selfish, impulsive, and prone violent things at any time.

I'm going to go take your test now, based on the link given earlier. Heck, I'll even post my answers in here. Just to humor you.

Male
Gold
Venus
Anything artistic
withdrawn
balance
anywhere but here
health
Art or drama, Music or poetry, Reading or writing, Learning new things, Pleasures of the flesh, Fantasy or video games
Spiritual

winged

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

First, you missed the astrological sign.
Second, you could do it yourself, ya know. (Thanks to Mr. CyberWarlock (who apparently doesn't like to give credit where it should be.) Oh well, I guess I forgive Byron... I did owe him for that one time...)
Third, how do you actually view your own self, with honesty? What words would you say, like happiness, or sorrow, or potential, or something?

His birthday is on his profile page. He probably assumed you could infer his astrological sign after giving you the data you couldn't have obtained on your own.

Sorry, I forgot Pisces. Or you could've gone to my profile page and gotten that information. Obviously you don't care all too much about proving yourself.

Second, I want to see what you say. Not just the test which your alleged friend made.

Third, how do I view myself? I see myself as a somewhat honest person. I have no reason to lie here. As for happiness, I'm okay. I'm not bad, I'm not good. I'm just okay.

When I took your friend's test, the result was wrong. I even went and calculated other arcana important to fortune telling. The result given did not come up.

I have no reason to believe you or anything you have said.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 02:33 AM

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:33 AM, said:

Personally, do you have hope? Do you have hope for things? I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about in general. Hope for something?

How about your expectations? Do you have any? Do you live up to them? Do you set them?

Hope about hope full promises? Do you have them, do you keep them? Have you fulfilled any?

Now you're just trying to get us off track. You have given me no reason to believe that we can determine Tarot based on personality alone. If that were the case, we wouldn't need you to tell us what it is based on the questions you have given us.

But hell, I'll humor you. You've yet to humor me, though.

Yes I have hope. I have hope for the future.

Of course I have expectations. So far I am not meeting them, but I have met a good amount of my expectations.

I try my best to keep my promises. I rarely have to break them.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

One more thing, I'll answer with you.

Do you have happiness?
I... I don't really.

Content?
I'm not content, I try to be it though.

Joy?
Sometimes I have it.

Now, answer these and then I'll know...

No one can have true happiness, however, I do have happiness

I'm okay. Didn't I say that? What I have now I'm fine with.

No one can have true joy.

And you'll know what? I'll tell you right now that you've done nothing but beat around the bush over and over again. Give me the exact data. Give me your findings. Tell me why you believe something that clearly goes against everything that I have found and read about Tarot in all these years I have been reading about it in all these different sources.

Tell me why anyone should believe in a system that you made up when you were child and still learning about the Tarot.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 02:54 AM

You know, this thread started so damn well... and it got flammed and trolled hugely.
and in a ridiculous amount of time to.

You both, Klaxbe and DMLD should know, of all people (since you both seem so interested in Tarot cards and readings) that Tarot it's hardly a even slightly close to something you can call a "science"
It's not an exact business, it has multiple interpretations and depending on who you ask is the answer you'll get.

So why you both seem so hell-bent on proving that the other one is wrong?
I don't get Tarot you know, I like western astrology, zodiac and all that stuff. I'm Libra by the way, born on october 10th, 1986. That also makes me a "Fire Tiger" according to the Chinese zodiac. So what?
I mean sure, there are some characteristics both in the description of what a "libra person" is supposed to be and behave, and in the "tiger personality" that applies to me in general terms, but It's not that if some day my daily horoscope says "bad day to leave the house" I'm not going to miss classes for example. Or the fact that because "tiger people are good leaders" I'm supposed to take the lead of each and every group I'm included into.

I think that you two guys are over-reading into this and are trying to point out that there is only one tarot, and only one way to get your birth arcana and stuff as if tarot was something like mathematics.

I'll repeat it: this thread had the potential to become something really interesting, but to me it seems that you two guys, with your holier-than-holy attitude about the way you learned to read tarot made it into some kind of fundamentalist fight were only a bunch of people instead of you two are posting and showing their opinions and thoughts about the subject.

@The Max: That is what I'm saying. You can't apply science to something superstitious or faith-based like Tarot.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:18 AM, said:

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:33 AM, said:

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

Well, you have and represent hope, expectation, and bright promises by the way you answered above.
You have hope...
You have expectations. You admit you can't meet them all, but you meet as much as you can...
A bright promise is a kept one. Promises can't all be kept, but to represent them you have to rarely break them and understand them.

That is what the Moon arcana represents.

Now look at you this, your answers;

Male
Gold
Pisces
Venus
Anything artistic
Withdrawn
Balance
Anywhere but here
Health
Art or drama, Music or poetry, Reading or writing, Learning new things, Pleasures of the flesh, Fantasy or video games
Spiritual

Now click here for the surprise.

You'll soon see. Try putting the answers in again, the way you told me, and you'll see.

(Thanks Byron, you're still helping me out when you're not here. You are the Magician, Byron, and I hope this Fool can help you sometime in the near future.)

The_Max, on 30 May 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

I know, and it saddened me that someone has ruined it by trolling. It had potential, but...

You're right Max. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders. I wish it could be this thread could be successful, but the winds had not blown in that way.

Yeah, too bad that's wrong. Nowhere in any calculation I have ever found in any book has The Moon ever come up other than as a cyclical arcana that is applied to a single year in my life. Hell, even this year. This year's cyclical arcana for me is "Fortune". Boom. You are wrong.

I'm sorry, but I still do not believe that you know half as much about Tarot as you claim. You have completely ignored how birth arcana (and any arcana at all, for that matter) is calculated and completely misread how The Devil is completely represented when applied to birth arcana.

Good day, good sir.

EDIT:

Er, DMLD... You do realize that The Max's post was pretty much calling you out, right?

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 03:13 AM

The_Max, on 30 May 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Quite the opposite, really: it started off pretty trite and then it became interesting when people tried to point out flaws in his argument.

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 03:12 AM, said:

It was calling us both out, and I agree with what he says.

But this year could be like a Wheel of Fortune, but you are the Moon arcana. You are one of the same... What's a good example...? Ah! Sandalphon*! Via hope and the other stuff, you guys are the same. Though, you may be going through a part of your journey that is the Wheel of Fortune, you are currently the Moon.

But thinking about what Max said. We both like it, and we shouldn't argue. To each his own. So... I guess I should say sorry. We don't have to be friends our anything, but I think I should apologize. You don't have to if you don't want to, but I'm in that mood. To each is own, and if something about Tarot pops up, we won't troll each other. Agreed?

Heheh, thinking about it, I must be the Fool. I changed from arguing to apologizing. Heheheheh... Fools like me are weird.

(*Sandalphon is prominently featured in Jewish mysticism, such as the Kabbalah where resides in the Sephirot of Malkuth alongside his "twin-brother" Metatron. Sandalphon is said to be responsible for determining the gender of a person in one's embryonic state, and in other accounts said to be a guardian angel who delivers prayers to God.)

Problem here, I'm not born under The Moon arcana. The Moon arcana is not applicable to whatever you're trying to do with me.

And I just now realize that part of your knowledge of Tarot comes from video games. Mythos cannot be attributed to arcana the same way you just did. How do I know this?

Persona, bitch.

AND YOU ARE NOT BORN UNDER THE FOOL arcana YOU IDIOT. YOU CAN'T ADD NUMBERS TOGETHER AND GET ZERO.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 03:27 AM

Kaxbe, on 30 May 2011 - 03:27 AM, said:

I know, but it seems like a good example to use. My tarot knowledge comes from real life. (By the way, I discover Persona at 12 and tarot earlier.) I could use a real life person, if you want.

You may not be born that way, but you are now a Moon arcana guy. Perhaps you were actually born as a Moon arcana, but you are now part of the Moon arcana.

Funny thing is, when I typed in "Moon arcana Examples" on Google it showed my that persona. And it's myth and faith, sometimes like life, which is sometimes like the tarot... Remember what I said earlier? I said the tarot and life follow some of the same principles. It's true. Sometimes your life changes, sometimes your arcana changes because a newly found resolution...

Life and the tarot are rather interesting, huh? The are so wonderfully magnificent. So interesting, so sublime. They go together like... like tea and cookies. What do you think about it?

I can't believe you are this stupid. You have never given me any reason to believe your method of finding arcana. Not even my primary arcana, or "soul" arcana matches up with what you have told me. You cannot use personality tests to determine arcana. Stop treating Tarot like fucking quizbarn.

If you do not give me hard evidence that I should believe that I am "The Moon", then I'm sorry, I have nothing to say to you.

If you cannot give me hard evidence why a personality test that you made up when you were seven years old and a complete novice at Tarot, I have nothing to say to you.

If you cannot give me hard evidence that "your test" was "stolen" by this guy who is your "friend", then I have nothing to say to you.

You have officially become so stupid in my eyes that I do not see the purpose of trying to talk to you about anything ever.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 30 May 2011 - 03:43 AM