Ace, on 07 July 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:
Starwatcher, on 07 July 2011 - 06:11 PM, said:
I took an entire class in it last year, and you missed the point of what I was saying. I'm talking about what we think and do on a high level, beyond basic instinct. Does it matter greatly to you that someone 30 years later has somewhat the same DNA as you?
Your instincts and millions of years of evolution compel you to mate. What I'm saying is "who cares"? You can satisfy that urge without having kids.
Do you care that your kids look like you? That's what it comes down to in the end.
... but when it comes down to it passing on your genes is one of your highest priorities in the biological sense not some silly conceptions of culture, etc. which is far from immortal. In fact, the true immortality is the genes passed to your offspring, unless by some sick chance they die off or we have outrageous mutations
Every time a generation occurs the number of genes, and the similarity to you, decreases. Eventually you'll blend in with the white noise that is the entire genetic pool of humanity. How is this immortality, in any sense of the word? I don't see it as being any better or worse than passing on your ideas and values.
I think that if I adopted a child and raised them with my morals, values and ideas they would have much more of "me" in them than if I had a biological kid and didn't.
I guess the question really is... how important to YOU is it that a kid has the same patterns of molecules as you do, for a few generations? Unlike the genes themselves, or more primitive animals that are bound ONLY by instinct and genetics, we have the complexity required to make that call.
I think that my instincts compel me to have sex, not to reproduce. Does a wild animal KNOW in it's mind that the act of mating will cause it's genes to carry on? I think it's just programmed with an urge and acts on it. How are we different? I don't think that wanting to reproduce is a fundamental instinct, because it needs an abstraction, a causal connection between events to work.
Having sex is definitely an instinct though. I'm just saying that with us it doesn't have to overlap with having kids. Since we can think for ourselves, we get to choose
how important it is to us to have our genes carried on.
Just some thoughts, let me know what you think?