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Him. HIM. The mere mention of his name makes me throw my hands up in anger and want to choke the living fuck out of anyone who dares pair him with Lucy. We all know who I'm talking about.


HIM. God, how I hate Paulo. And I will gladly go off on the reasons that I do, but firstly I'd like to get something out of the way. This is your fault, BCB IRC. When I first joined I honestly hated Paulo but it wasn't that big of a magnitude. However, when I joined everyone fawned over the asshole like actually had a lot of redeeming qualities when all he hides behind is that little heart of gold that is supposedly supposed to exempt him from being an asshole to a lot of people simply because he can act properly once or twice. The fact people liked him and even idolized him turned me off to no end.

First off, I hate PauloxLucy with a raving passion. He is not right for her because of how he is at heart. In the third grade he decided to change for Lucy and instead turned into a womanizing man. This is not how you change for someone. He's banged two girls regardless of the fact his stupid canine friend told him to do it. Paulo did not have to do it and could have easily told David off, but he didn't and fucked two girls and that is that. It's his fault and it's David's fault. The end. Next, Another Path is something I heatedly dispute as an early ending. Please recall the fact that it is a daydream and what Paulo's mind would have considered the logical outcome. That is a daydream and I can assure you it is just a dream. I can't make assumptions on what would have happened but the fact of the matter is it is daydream and has low credibility when looked at from a logical standpoint.

"Oh but Susan! It's an altern--" No, fuck you, in the real world there is only one universe and there is only dreams and reality. That, good sirs, is a dream.

Secondly, I hate how he acts. I hate how he picks on his friends and insults them even as a joke which is beyond me as to why you'd push someone's buttons to become their friend. I hate how he treats women. Lucy was an exception when he turned her down and yes he did one or two good deeds but that was about it. He mindlessly fucked two girls and now he's with Jasmine. I hope to God he treats her right and not like Lucy who he crushed by going behind her back and fucking two different girls. God he's an idiot. I hate how people idolize him (SPACEMOUSE AND RUKRAL THIS MEANS YOU) because he is not a good idol. He's as good as idol as any faggot football star or movie star or singer: Worthless. Fucking worthless. He is what a man should not be and that is plain and simple.

He needs to be chivalrous like Abbey and stop being a "player" amongst women. I do respect him for being faithful in relationships but that's about it. I honestly cannot understand how anyone can find this disgusting excuse of a man attractive or likable because, quite frankly, it's beyond me how he has any redeeming qualities besides his fucking bulletproof heart of gold that somehow exonerates him from being a cock. I hope he ends up with Jasmine and stays the fuck away from Lucy so she can find her happiness in Mike (Stay tuned for Sandy: Trained or Trollop next week! [Title subject to change]).

END SUSAN RANT

One moment, I'll be right back.

Tee hee~




Personally, I think Paulo is likeable - both because he is a character that is far more defined than most of the others, and because that outfleshing (sic) has given him several good qualities rather than him just being a jerk. I know you disagree with me here, Susan, but honestly I think he has done enough to not be put down as a giant idiot. ^_^

Take a look at the way he treats Lucy and Daisy (with the obvious exception of the whole Jess/Rachel/possibly Jasmine incident, of course - that was his very darkest moment). He is a good friend to both, and respects both of them enough to keep them at a distance. Daisy is the one person he could never imagine hurting, something he has repeated and confirmed by both words and actions. Also, he rejected Lucy's advances when she was at her most desperate, and I doubt he would have done that if he was that hormonal fool. Did he act badly towards Tess? Perhaps, but he was also remarkably grown-up when dealing with her, and also protected her at danger to himself. Add his chivalrous (though childishly so) treatment of Jasmine to the equation, and it is quite obvious that he has got several redeeming qualities, his faults aside.

Now, I know he also treats Michael and Abraham badly, and that, I grant you, is annoying. The fact that he insists on being that "womaniser" he believes himself to be is also a very negative trait. I am not trying to disregard or spurn any such facts; I am well aware that he is a jerk (no, sorry, I do not mean it like that ^_^) and a big one at that. But you consistently put yourself on the opposite end of the scale that has Rukral and Space on top (or bottom, as it might be; I am not trying to take sides either) - Paulo, like all the other main characters of BCB, has both faults and positive characteristics. He is not a dork of multidimensional proportions (I would have used a stronger word than 'dork', but you know...), neither is he a flawless saint. He is an idiot, yes. But not without redeeming qualities. ^_^

Paulo is a good guy. Yeah, he's made some bad decisions, but he didn't think Lucy wanted to be with him, seeing her clinginess to him as a rebound (which, let's face it, it was) while Tess rejected him.

When he is actually "with" someone, he is very faithful, and overall he's a good and generally likable guy, even if he is a bit of a jerk at times.

Paulo is a good guy, he just pretends he's a jerk 'cause he thinks it's cool.

Also, Susan, whatever happened to SusanxPaulo? You two were meant to be!

"Secondly, I hate how he acts. I hate how he picks on his friends and insults them even as a joke which is beyond me as to why you'd push someone's buttons to become their friend."

Is that really something bad to do? What's wrong with people teasing others and having a little fun? He does push it sometimes, but EVERYONE does that. It's a way some people get to know each other, I know people who sometimes do that to gauge how much of a tolerance the other person has to see if they're worth befriending (IE Souppy). I mean christ I had to deal with you bitching at Souppy for like an hour on IRC to fix stuff on the forums. "Fix this, you Sonic faggot!" "Why are you so useless!" "Stupid nerd!!"

"Oh but it was just kidding around!!"

Hence "picking on friends and insulting them even as a joke."

How is that any different? I'm not saying your behaviour should be revised, I'm just saying how can you think Paulo's behaviour in that regard is terrible when tons of people do it, including you?

It's being human. The fact he's so full of flaws and good redeeming qualities is what makes him so engrossing to others. He's not even a Mary Sue, nobody even thinks of him as that. He's no beacon of perfection, he's a guy that screws up. And learns from it. Even if it takes him a while to get it.

Taeshi brings up a good point. People like Paulo because he is so fundamentally human. He tries his best to be what he thinks people expect him to be, what he thinks that he should be, and half the time he fails. But even so, he picks himself back up and tries again. He has flaws, but not too many, and he has good qualities, but just enough. He teases, but is there when his friends need him. He acts like a womanizer, but when the chips are down, he drops the act and does his best to be a good man.


He is the product of so many things that have both gone wrong, and right in his life. He's made bad decisions, (sleeping with Rachel & Jessica), and he's made good decisions (not sleeping with Lucy). He has never been unfaithful, despite what many people think. When he slept with Rachel & Jessica? He wasn't dating anybody. Lucy was simply his friend, and she got upset because she was starting to shift her dependency issues onto Paulo, and he wasn't dating Tessa because she kept pushing him away. Tess in fact was being incredibly selfish, by telling him that they couldn't be together, but then not allowing him to see other girls.

The problem is that you don't want him to be human. You hate anything that doesn't conform to your rose tinted view of how you think people should be, deciding that because someone isn't the patron saint of all that is good and wholesome, they must be worth demonising. Even when the supposed unforgivable sin that they have committed is one that they are totally and completely unaware of (see your hatred for Sandy).

Finally... Why do Paulo & Lucy work so well together? Because they are both playfully jerks. They would operate on the same wavelength that Taeshi and SuitCase do. Lucy would call Paulo a Jerkface, Paulo would call her an obnoxious bitch, and then they'd smirk at each other and go about their day. Face it. However good Mike & Lucy may fit together in your head... Paulo and Lucy are not a terrible match.

PS: You can't complain about the whole "Another Path is an alternate reality and would have ended the comic" thing, because Taeshi herself has stated that the whole "Daydream" thing was just a way to bookend the story and make it make enough sense to put it in the comic. She has stated that it is what would have happened, and it's an alternate ending. You can sit there in denial all you like, but the fact of the matter is that the person who writes the comic has said that that is how things would have gone down. And since it's her story, I'm inclined to accept that as fact.

I'll admit I wasn't really a huge Paulo fan when I started the comic. He's just kinda there to be an ass.
But then, once he starts being fleshed out, he rapidly became my favorite character. No matter how many times I re-read the comic, I just like him more as a character. Why? Because when it comes down to it, when you need him there, he's there. When you need some cover, he'll give it to you. When you just want to talk, he's there. He won't take advantage of you, no matter how sexyhot you're being. He does the right thing.
When Lucy's trying to push herself on him, and he just keeps pushing her away, insisting this isn't what she wants, I was superglued to my chair. That scene was so beautiful and intense it's why I chose it as my most memorable scene in the art meme.

We all wear masks. We all have faces we use to show the outside world; maybe because we're scared of revealing who we are underneath, maybe because we think we aren't strong enough to deal with it. Paulo wears the mask of the macho womanizer. Lucy wears the mask of the girl who doesn't care. David... David doesn't have a mask, but I digress - Paulo may wear that mask, but he knows when to take it off, and when to sit down and talk straight with someone. He's not a shallow asshole.
It's why I placed Paulo in "Chaotic Good" allignment - he doesn't give a fuck if you think otherwise. He'll do the right thing.
And David will fuck it all up.

Basically everything I could say on the subject has been covered by everyone else. Yeah, near the beginning of the comic, I too thought Paulo was nothing but a generic asshole and openly wished for his imminent demise as I routinely do with Yashy. But unlike Yashy, he actually developed as a character with personality and showed his true colors. He does the womanizer thing because it made him popular, but whenever he's in a committed relationship, he never strays from the path. He's picks on his friends in jest, but whenever they truly need someone to talk to or a shoulder to lean on, he's ready to help. Dude is a trooper. Unfortunately, his best friend is Darth-Satan-David. And Paulo, truly cares what his friends think of him, and thus goes to great lengths to please them. Basically David is there to convince him that whatever he is doing is wrong.

And that is why I will destroy David.

Paulo is, at his core, a person. That's what impresses me most about his characterisation and his growth: he constantly changes and grows as the storyline goes on. And he makes mistakes and learns from them. He is a straight up dependable guy, who cares a lot for his friends, and wears a mask of a dumb-ass because it's what he does to entertain and have fun. He will gladly joke around and poke fun at his friends, because he expects to get as good as he gives. And despite all of his joking around, he always is there for them when he can be.

His negative qualities mesh well with his positive qualities to portray him as what he is: a teenager, living and growing, and maturing.

But Susan, it always seems to me that your view of Paulo has always been slanted towards the negative. I don't know if it happened before he became a love interest for Lucy in the comic or afterward, I can't make that call. But your rationale for hating Paulo is so one-sided and exhibits such refusal to acknowledge his positive qualities that I can only assume that it stems from his being a viable second option for Lucy. You have a cemented idea of your favoured pairing, and anything that threatens that becomes anathema to you, becoming immediately demonised. Paulo is a complex character with a myriad of flaws and good qualities, but in your haste to justify your irrational dislike of him his positive qualities are stripped and he is turned into a bloated caricature of what he actually is. And then, by extension, this caricature is propped up and declared a bad match for Lucy.

Short version: Paulo isn't necessarily a good person or the son of satan, but he is a good character. And that's what matters.

We need a defence topic for David, we really do. ^_^

I hate to admit this, but I sometimes think Paulo should've been the main character instead of Mike. He is chivalrous, just not like Abbey. It's not about grand operatic gestures of love, it's about all those little things he slips behind the scenes that no one else can see. It makes what he does more special, something just between him and who he's with. Yeah, I think he has more retarded moments than most cast members (save David) but I also think it's a function of him putting himself out there more than anyone else.

If you want to talk about Giant Faggots, start an Abbey thread.

Oh, he's insecure and hides a deep soul, baww. He's an irredeemable fag through and through. The way he treats girls like toys pisses me off beyond belief. He exists just to act as a counterweight to balance out all the angst that Mike has about Lucy and, as we saw in Another Path, he's just Lucy's rebound guy at the end of the day. Not enough to make him a decent person.

Taeshi said:

Hahaha Tae, you really turned the tables on me there. Although I do apologize to Suitcase at times privately because I end up feeling guilty near the end.

Maverik said:

Yes, I will grant you I have high standards as to what I believe people should be and I judge Paulo based on that. Honestly when he made his first appearance the only word that popped into my head was 'Casanova' and my opinion on him was contorted to be negative from that very first appearance and I have seen very little to convince me otherwise (although I won't say I can't ever like him if he decides to stop being an ass).

Maverik said:

Indeed, I'll sit here in denial because of the fact I take the "daydream" stigma seriously, regardless of the fact it may have been an excuse to slip in PauloxLucy. I will, under no circumstances, concede to the statement "it was how it would have gone" partly due to my own stubborness and due to the fact it's still a daydream regardless of what anyone says (who, mind you, also referred it it as a daydream) and I will streat it as such.

Spacemouse said:

I do commend him for that and his faithfulness in relationships like Credence said but quite frankly I do not agree at all with the fact that only behaving properly "when it calls" is a good excuse to exempt anyone from anything. It doesn't matter if you can act right when the time calls, it matters if you can act right most of the time which, frankly, Paulo doesn't.

Mobius said:

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. I hadn't mentioned it above, but in this post I have explained that I hated Paulo from the very start of the comic in his first appearance to which his first impression immediately tipped the scales in favor of a negative opinion. I don't really find anything positive about him besides how he can remain faithful in relationships and rejected Lucy. It's about it. The "human" argument means diddle to me because I hate humans and I hate how they act so if anything it makes me feel more negative towards him.

But the point in saying he's "human" is that he's a real character, that seems interesting and relatable. His relationships with girls make sense. While Mike's relationship with Lucy, to use an obvious example, currently does not.

It seems that Paulo appeals to a lot of people because they understand how he works, and it seems real to them.

Jerk, on 25 November 2010 - 04:16 PM, said:

I don't understand how Abbey can be disliked, I mean all he's ever done was try to help. Although he exploded at Mike in the wrong way but that all changed when he went through therapy. ugh, but this has to be about Paulo. I don't know, Paulo's cute, I don't have much of an opinion on him. I'd like to see him stay with Jasmine though.

Paulo, while he has had much attention recently, will always be a background character to me in relation to whom I believe the main protagonist Mike. That is not to say I don't like Paulo, but more of less, that I have somehow delegated him to that of a lower status. In fact, the only reason he registers high in my mind now is because Jasmine, (who ironically is a much more minor character), is going out with him. Once they break up, oh, he'll fade into obscurity to me.

I can see why people dislike paulo but he is a good guy I mean he has been nicer at points than mike has ever been though yes he is a bit of an ass

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Hee. I am fairly sure he is just being facetious about it. ^_^




Either way. Can we all agree that Paulo is a genteel idiot? Love him or loathe him, but it is impossible (or at least very silly) to completely disregard his duality.

Susan, on 25 November 2010 - 09:59 AM, said:

Wow you are such a girl.


In order:


1) Lots of people do this. I do this. Suitcase does this. Being able to insult someone is a sign that you are comfortable with them for many people; jocular insults are quite common, and have been around for ages, though their popularity has increased in recent times I think. Its an interesting mode of behavior, and while it is offputting to people who have no friends, to those who are "in" on it its fine. Paulo often has a bit of bite to his insults, but he does genuinely like his friends.


2) As for how Paulo treats women, its kind of a mixture. He acts like a typical womanizer, that's his mask... but when it comes right down to it, he isn't actually a jerk when a girl likes him (or he even THINKS they like him). On his date with Jessica he was nice to her, and he was nice to Rachel on their date as well. Moreover, THEY were the ones who jumped HIM, not the other way around. Paulo was inexperienced, and they took advantage of that. He was very nice to Tess, and he was good to Lucy as well. As for "going behind her back" - Paulo was NEVER with Lucy, and Tess turned him down, repeatedly. Neither girl had any claim to him. Having a crush on someone does not mean you own them, and Paulo had no obligation towards either.


3) Obviously he's a bad role model, but frankly I don't think anyone really looks up to him other than David.


4) You need to learn how to not care so much about stupid junk.

@ ILB and ClosetLucy: I assure you, I wasn't being facetious. I cannot stand Abbey. He's like the moral arbiter for the entire cast. At like Mike usually doesn't judge, Abbey's just off in the corner glaring at Paulo because, let's fuckin' face it, Paulo has the cojones to live the life that Abbey wants. Also, Abbey's dick is so small it's concave.

@ Tit Dragon:
1. Within reason, I think. (Alternate response: you do it too, you punk *shakes a fist; picture of Dick Cheney sneering*)
2. I agree. Tess made a big deal out of their age difference instead of taking advantage of the time they had.
3. Well...bad role model typically but a damn fine role model in a crisis. It's a bag of mixed nuts, that.
4. No, you are.

All right, I retract my statement and replace it with "I am sure he is just exaggerating". ^_^

Paulo: The jerk with the golden heart. Pretty much sums it up. I'll admit that he is a pretty cool guy at times, but overall I'm more interested in what's going on with Mike than him. That's why I kind of prefer Mike as the main character rather than Paulo.

Also Jerk, I like you, but insulting Abbey is just a not cool man. I mean come on the guy's just trying to be a good person and not become like his father, and yes he does glare at Paulo with a proven hatred, but can you honestly tell me that you've never held disdain for a person that others seemed to be fine with, but the way he acted went against your standards?

Not to mention Abbey maintains an above average penis size at 6.5 inches, sure he's no Mike or Paulo, but he's got what it takes to get the job done.

Jerk, on 25 November 2010 - 10:37 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure every character in the comic has judged someone at some point. Why is Abbey different? Maybe he used to before his therapy thing but after that I don't really see what constitutes as judgement, merely looking at someone in a negative way is, in my opinion, nothing. Besides, doesn't PAULO judge Abbey as gay almost regularly? Actually I think Paulo was the one who started that whole ordeal. Also, didn't Abbey watch his mom get beat to death or something? Of course someone's going to have some sort of social problems after that...Abbey's penis size is irrelevant.

Junior Boomer, on 25 November 2010 - 11:18 PM, said:

BING

This is how I feel about Paulo.

SUSAN WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR RAGES.

Clearly We Do Grass!This thread is more about how she feals about paulo than it is about paulo.

ClosetLucy, on 25 November 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

Not, irrelevant, per se. Perhaps he thinks he's inadequate to Daisy and that's why he expresses such rage toward Paulo. :B
Abbey is effeminate to the point of making MIKE look masculine. Paulo sees this, he scorns Mike, but Abbey is the Gold Standard of Weeping Vagina. Everybody has some kind of traumatic experience. I figure, if your mom got beat to death in front of you, you really don't have any excuses not to be a badass. You should eat steak for every meal and shit nails (and bullets). Some people (Abbey) let this damage eat them alive, some people use it to steel themselves. As far as I'm concerned, he uses this shit as an excuse.

TL;DR
PAULO > ABBEY

Oh.

Oh Jerk.

Aw hell naw.

I know you just did not put down effeminate men. So what if he's in touch with his feelings? So what if he expresses emotion? I like men like that, they're worth more than any hard ass who wants to be Rambo and a cold statue to his and his girlfriend's feelings.

I'm not saying that.
Just that, well...
Abbey is a Complete Fucking Weeping Pussy even by Complete Fucking Weeping Pussy standards.

There are two ways to deal with watching your dad beat your mother to death in front of you.(maybe a few more) You can see it happen and look away and harden yourself to such event's while at the same time bringing yourself closer to being just like the people who create these situations in the first place or you can stare it in the face. You can see the darkness and find it's nature and simply avoid the behavior that leads to it. Abbey is in need of therapy because he not only avoids acting like his father, he strives to be the polar opposite of him and demonises every little attribute of his father.

your going to be forced into the extreams.

What Navi said.
If beating women is wrong, Abbey doesn't want to be right.

Titanium Dragon, on 25 November 2010 - 09:45 PM, said:

He was the one to ask Jessica out because David angered Paulo. Jess THEN took advantage by saying she would only agree if Paulo was with Tess.


As Mouse said, David will fuck it all up. Hopefully I can do my job successfully and stop these ideas from getting out. If I am unable, and David is a lost cause, I will gladly hand him over to Aria. Better yet, I'll leave him tied to a chair in my office so Aria can set up some overly-complex way of death if she pleases.

*ahem* Anyway, it is not all David's fault, Paulo should have a mind of his own. David looks up to him, not the other way around. Tess was kinda David's fault, but Paulo shouldn't punish himself over it. Then with Lucy, Paulo for like the first time ever did the right thing. He shouldn't of let David get to him and become an even bigger man-whore. As for Jazz, she might be the first good thing to come out of a David idea. (I must make this a regular incedent)

Not gonna comment on the Abbey topic, except that Jerk's newest post is VERY contradictory.

Well...I don't think I'll understand it Jerk. I think Abbey has good intentions for the most part. He's not a cheater, he hasn't murdered anyone. So what if he's a pussy? At least he's nice, if he was a dick or something he wouldn't be likeable. Also, I can't help but think that if Abbey has been introduced as someone with a troubling past but "lol he got over it it's cool he isn't traumatised" that'd be so boring and there'd be almost no point in him existing. The bulk of his character is supposed to be him dealing with his past. I think Paulo and Abbey are getting better in terms of hatred.

Jerk, that's not what I said. you just said that abbey likes to beat women.I think you misspoke.Did you?

ClosetLucy, on 26 November 2010 - 05:36 AM, said:

I cannot condone this. :|

ClosetLucy, on 26 November 2010 - 05:36 AM, said:

LIKE LUCY?
LOLOLOLOL

navi, on 26 November 2010 - 05:41 AM, said:

That is a hilarious thought, and I thank you for it. All you would have to do is call him "Abraham" and he'd snap out of it and curl up into a ball and die. Or kill himself or something. He really does not like his daddy.

Lucy didn't have a troubling past, at least not like Abbey's. Lucy just had no friends and felt like no one understood her, except Mike. theres more to Lucy than her past though, that's why she still has a purpose as a character. Her character is set to deal with Mike, her feelings for him, and her own feelings for other things as well. That's the way I see it. Abbey is set to deal with his past, as I said, that's the bulk of his character, dealing with his screwed up childhood after watching his mom die. Lucy didn't watch her mom die, she wasn't traumatized in the same way Abbey was. That's not to say Lucy is perfectly fine and Abbey is in a worse state, Lucy still needs some kind of help.

http://www.bitterswe...om/c40/p18.html

If you read the next four pages you can see that abbey quite clearly does reject everything involving his father in an extream manner, as I said earlyer.

Okay seriously this is turning into an Abbey debate, so in order to get this topic back...on topic of Paulo. Let's continue our debate over here http://www.bitterswe...topic/38-abbey/

Gonna quickly sum up why I find Paulo to be my favourite character here, though most points probably have already been brought up.

Paulo's one cool cat, a hot Somali, but he's in no way perfect. He tried to change for Lucy and it backfired, tried to impress David and it led to one big cluster-fuck, and just plain has made mistakes. Who hasn't though? Who hasn't done some stupid thing that's taken a horrible turn for the worse, and I mean his picking on his friends is things friends tend to do. I sure as hell know I enjoy joking around with my friends and calling them names and whatnot, they laugh it off and return the favour. When push comes to shove, he's there, he's dependable, his actions may not show it but his heart is in the right place. You may not wish to acknowledge the Another Path chapter Susan because it was a dream, but you can't deny that he has the emotion he expressed for Lucy on page 22. That's some true heart right there, far more then Mike has. He wants to be there not because he thinks she needs him, but simply because he wants to be. That's the struggle there I think, not finding a way for Lucy to get together with Mike, but for Paulo to find a way with Lucy. His flaws of course counter-act this and push things out of his favour.
That's why I think Paulo is such a great character. Sure, in the old comics he was nothing but a womanizer looking to cop a feel, but he has grown much since then. He's still flawed in so many ways and that's why he's awesome. At the end of the day, I'd be proud to have a friend as loyal and dependable as Paulo. He's a great guy, even if his actions don't always show it

Rukral, on 27 November 2010 - 03:58 PM, said:

Ruined my day, Rukral.

Ruined my day.

"Paulo can be an ass, but he is a good guy."
That is what Rukral said, slimmed down.

Jerk, on 25 November 2010 - 04:16 PM, said:

Everyone's just jealous of him

Except Paulo is the only character too stupid to see when he's blatantly being manipulated.
I don't hate Paulo, but the people who like him kind of reflect this~

"GEE WHIZ GUYZ, THESE GIRLS WHO HATE THE GIRL THAT LIKES ME WANNA HAVE SEX WITH ME! HOW LUCKY IS THAT!"
Stupid.

Jerk, on 29 November 2010 - 04:02 AM, said:

And the "Only if your dating that bitch (Tess)" makes it so obvious.

who gives a FUCK

Paulo's a bit of a jerk, but I won't hate him. Everyone mentions the big things, like banging those girls or messing with David and causing the entire Acupaulo incident, but it's the little sins that define his character for me: groping Lucy, using up all the paper in the printer (probably causing some of his classmates to be late on assignments they can't print out), or regularly calling Abbey and or Mike gay, as an insult.

SPEAKING OF WHICH

Would you please all stop using 'gay' and crueler varieties thereof as generic disses? Suitcase, you were angry enough about someone using the word 'Sammich' to make a webpage about it. This is honestly a lot worse.
Think about what you are saying. It boils down to "Paulo/Abbey did/is something you don't like, and that's as terrible as if he liked guys." Jerk and Susan particularly, I would like to think better of you.

I'd expect that kind of shit from a YouTube comment thread, but from a community as awesome as this it's jarring.

In before "lulz, u mad" : Yes. I am mad. This is honestly an issue I care about. People are regularly bullied to the point of suicide for their sexual orientation. This is a Big. Deal. It's little thing like seeing something called 'furfaggotry' that lead bigots to think that it's OK to hate people because they're gay.

But, back to Paulo...
Despite all his little(?) flaws, I don't think Paulo wants to hurt people. That's what separates him from the likes of Augustus or Roger. He won't kick a friend while (s)he's down.

(Edited for grammar)

This post has been edited by Quaddy: 30 November 2010 - 01:51 AM

...I never once used the word "gay" as a demeaning term in my post.

I admit I used faggot but I don't use it in a sexual orientation way. I use it to call him "stupid".

This post has been edited by Susan: 30 November 2010 - 02:03 AM

Susan, on 30 November 2010 - 02:02 AM, said:

which implies you think faggots are stupid

A faggot is a bundle of sticks.