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Fanart is fine. I mean Candybooru is a huge archive of all the fanart we have and I am definitely really happy about it. The difference with fanart and fanart with fancharacters is that the former is like "let me show a tribute to this series I like" whereas the latter is "hey let me insert something that has absolutely nothing to do with the series because i want to be involved in the comic/that's just what i do"

I don't know about you guys but when I make fanart of a series the first thing I don't think about is making a character that can get along with Kamina. I draw true-blue fanart. Work that commemorates why I like the comic. I'm not going to make some magical girl in honour of Cardcaptor Sakura. Cardcaptor Sakura can be an inspiration to me and I could adopt some ideas, but I just think it seems a bit unfair to be like "here is my fanart" and it's just something.. irrelevant.

I have to admit I remember the first time I began feeling a bit glum about fancharacters was when I got notes for literally a week all "I got fanart for you" and I got really uber excited and.. then it was just a picture of some fancharacter. Standing alone. It wasn't even them interacting with a character. Just them. Standing alone. Posing. Description about them. BCB was still pretty new and I was still really thankful about anything that even barely had to do with BCB, so I would thank them for the gift, giggle about how they could probably fit somewhere, and move on. Or I'd just cameo them for fun. As I said, BCB was new, it was easy to cameo at the time.

But that continued to the point where I would get "hey fanart for you" and I'd be like "I wonder if it's another fancharacter-- oh i'm right"

I know this basically invites the stigma that I only like fanart with my characters in it.. but what's so unreasonable about that? I mean that's the point of candybooru. If you want to look at OCs go to Furaffinity. Candybooru is designed for fanart of BCB, much like Darkspeeds' comic Grand Hunter has an archive of Ashworth fanart. I don't see what's so bad about that.

As I said multiple times in this thread, I didn't always have this belief. And there's no way in hell I'm thinking this topic will stop anything. And I mean this doesn't mean that suddenly I'm not at all grateful for people's fanart over the years. Just for the ones that draw nothing but their fancharacter (lol colin) it's kind of not really cool and just doesn't make me like you that much. Unless you're someone I got to know and became friends with who THEN started doing fancharacters.. that just leaves me conflicted.



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On a mildly different note, I do wanna clear something that Mousey called me out on - the bit when i was raging about my characters never associating with fancharacters. That was a sweeping statement and more me venting about why fancharacters always have to be IN LOVE with one of my characters. I mean yeah I'm pretty sure my characters could easily be friends (depending on who you're referring to) with fancharacters, and I mean if I can imagine the school just full of all these students I'm sure they'd interact and such, but I am always baffled as to why love is put in the equation. That is definitely something that cannot happen.

I mean did you know McCain and Tess were created WITHOUT being in love with a character? But after much development I had McCain and Sue be bros and I had Tess and Paulo be a thing? It's so much nicer when it's developed as opposed to "this character is made with a crush on ___"

Though I have to admit me talking about this is "how to make your fancharacter good" as opposed to "just don't make it nimrod", probably because yeah I expect this to continue. I am not as ragey as I was the page before. But yeah I wanted to clear that up. I assume in the future people will still be drawing dumb fancharacter comics where they're friends with characters. That bothers me infinitely less than romancey "this fancharacter has a crush on this character" nonsense.

I do admit this is one of the main reasons I began to dislike Larken quite a lot. LarkenxLucy was a whole hilarious joke and I mean I guess it shows I have a thing for jerks, but I know it wasn't going to happen. But then Larken started to like Amaya. And that pissed me off.

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

so i think this is due to the nature of the comic itself - the comic is mostly about love, romances, and drama involving them. you can't be someone new for 15 minutes in irc without people demanding you state all of your preferred romances, in descending order, and start judging you on that, jokingly or otherwise.
i think part of why this happens also has to do with the desire to do something significant with fanworks - when i had made just admiration, multiple people messaged me saying nothing happened, they wanted something more, something to actually happen. if you have someone as someone else's friend, there's only really so much drama you can mold there - with romance involved, you can do a lot more.

to say it another way, if i had made instead of admiration, just some comic about melody being friends with abbey and how they play cards in the library or whatever, i think everyone's reaction (yourself included), would have been "who cares?"
i guess the question here is if people are going to do something, would you rather it be something substantial (like the melody comics), or something just random (a picture of fancharacter x and, let's say, daisy just eating lunch together on candybooru)? Not saying to justify the reason fancharacters exist or them continuing to exist. Simply is it better for someone to do something they feel they can make entertaining and interesting, or something just one shot and never again?

the reason i ask is that i honestly believe you wouldn't be so mad about the whole thing if people did do more substantial works, rather than 'WOULD YOU KILL A 5-YEAR OLD, ARIA LOL'

Looking at the art quality of some of the older fancharacters on DE and the old forums, it's apparent that a lot of artists just starting out are using your works as a template. Same for the writers; here's a world ready-made for them to experiment with. Yeah, it's cheap, but when you are fourteen years old looking to be the next Stephany Meyer or whatever, then it's nice to have a playing field laid out for you. I think it's kinda cute.

Mousey: You know what would be funny? I would be entertained enough at the idea of playing cards, but I BET YOU that people would have paired Melody and Abbey together. It's just so weird! You yourself saw Melody get paired up with David just because they were interacting a wee bit more than a few pages. Like romance has to be in the equation! I know it's a romance comic, so it's a case of no shit sherlock on my side, but I dunno. With fancharacters it just seems strange because those romance aspects are really nonexistent in the comic. Romance is kind of way more important in a person's life than a friendship - and by that I mean that is more likely to cloud the person's mind. Like why else hasn't Paulo talked about Melody? Or Amaya talked about Larken? Or Lucy made more reference to Liam? I guess it could be some side thing that is never talked about (since I do try to think of these fanworks as something coexisting which I guess shows I don't just toss them and ignore, which I should probably be doing)

And then you have absolute canon-breakers like Kou.

mannn i don't want to compile a list of what i see in a good fancharacter :l That just invites the idea of OH TAESHI MIGHT ACTUALLY LIKE THIS. it just kind of happens. McCain could have easily been some nobody i ignored, but since BCB was in its early stages I took him on board and he became cool. I am totally washing my hands off all this nonsense.

which kind of sucks as i wanted to make some references to dumb silly romance shit on the sleepover chapter coming up, but I really just gotta.. hold my ground. And wash it off. Just McCain and Tessa at this point, fff

i should really make a character list of characters that show up in the background that are not fancharacters since cameos will just further confuse. it's annoying it's really turned out that way.

hey taeshi whats up dude

I'm warning people, if Taeshi-san go any more mad at you, McCain/Tess heads will be rolling!

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

yeah. i completely admit people are kind of hung up on romance, and paring up everyone with everyone. i think it's just become part of the culture forever at this point. people do it even as a way of trying to annoy someone (the whole david-melody issue), or just don't want to accept the idea of just friends. i dunno.
as for why hasn't x talked about x - at least with lucy/liam, the whole liam chapter doesn't happen until december in-comic time, and it's still november. it's still something coming to a boil. as for paulo and melody, the time on that whole event is kind of vague, and i did in fact just finish the comic a week ago. i know i'm still hella confused in reference to paulo's twitter if it actually corresponds to comic time or real time (i'm assuming comic time). also, to be completely frank, i don't think paulo would talk about it. i kinda tried to do that on purpose. as for amaya and larken, other than that comic you did as a gift to kax, there hasn't been anything about it, because frankly, amaya never shows up. and when she does, it's either as filler or she most definitely never says anything. it's kind of hard to have emotion there.

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

i am very glad that you're actually taking a stand about this! i've been kinda talking to suit for weeks now about how you have to if you want anything to change. i'm kind of glad i could be a catalyst for change in that regard.
personally i don't think the "cutting off everything" is the best solution, but it's probably the one that would let you keep your sanity the most.

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

I do like Melody, yes, but I'm just being a shitfucker when I compare her to Lucy. If I thought you'd take it seriously I wouldn't say it. So, yeah, if it's that big a deal to you then I apologize and I'll knock it off out of respect. That's all.

I mean, I always say shit like that for argument's sake. Abbey annoys me, but I only pick on him in front of people who might like him.

At this point, cutting off everything really is the only solution because otherwise people will continue thinking it's a-okay to throw fancharacters at me because "maybe i will get cameo'd someday....."

Or it just feeds into the idea of "If you hate fancharacters so much why are there a bunch in your recent page?", I guess that's one of the tragedies of drawing things way in advance. At the time I drew the lunch room scene for Feline Filibuster, for example, I wasn't as bitter as I am now. Haha.

This thread has more drama than "Confrontation". I think I am starting to understand how Whf feels. This is kinda sad.

SpaceMouse, on 08 December 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

I don't like being an exception!

Seriously, though. I may have a huge crush on this world that oozes drama, but you don't see me sticking my character named Richard into some crude imitation of it.

There's a lot of possibilities for fanworks. Let's write a list (with random examples).

Fan-characters don't "steal" the world, because "like real life, but anthro" is not really that distinct, is it? They use the fan-base to get some "screen time" and that's kinda lame. But on the other hand: I came here for the story, and stay here out of habit (and for the story too), but the community with random bursts of outrageous fan-art makes waiting for the update much more fun. I stopped reading most of the forums when they grew too much, because when a couple of people talk about stupid **** it's funny, when a lot of people do - it's annoying. I think fan-characters have the same problem - the readers base became too big for Taeshi to tolerate.

1)Fancharacter sheet. Even when badly drawn, I don't really care about them, they're pretty easy to ignore. I don't see any harm in those.

2)Fan-pairing pic, purely fancharacters. That's hard to judge how annoying they are to Taeshi. I view them just like I do (1).

3)Main-fan pair. Can be OOC, can be crap, can be well-drawn. Probably annoying, and "use" established characters. But they are more "real" when they do include a fleshed-out character and don't "destroy" them in the process.

4)Fancomic. When well-written they can be fun. Carry the danger of causing (5).

5)Memetic avalanche. That's probably the most annoying kind for Taeshi, because suddenly McCain is way cooler then the rest of the cast put together, or Melody tries to derail Paulo, and half the forum cheers on. But that's what internet is for! Besides, I doubt somebody seriously thinks "Chuck Norris is a better actor then |insert a good actor here|, because underneath his beard he has another fist!"


I have no idea where I was going in this post, and I hope it doesn't show too much.

Just so we are clear, are fancomics without fancharacters as protagonists acceptable? Most of us, unfortunately, aren't nearly as skilled as Taeshi; that's why we can't create worlds of our own at 7. She is incredibly skilled, that's why she has a successful webcomic! Creating stories for the characters she has made is great practice, at writing dialouge and drawing. The fancomic I've started (thumbnails and plot but no final drawings yet) has a big part played in the plot by a non-canon character, but it's not about him; it is about Abbey. It would feel like a contrived coincidence for one of the characters we've already known to play this part, and he is only in the first two pages (he remains a stranger throughout.) I could probably replace him with confrontation cat fairly easily at this point, though.
(Sorry about my tounge in cheek 'birthday persent.' I had no idea how serious you were about this issue.)

This post has been edited by Quaddy: 08 December 2010 - 07:41 PM

Taeshi-san just complained about the dozens of "fanart" having only fancharacters.
So I'm guessing there is harm with those.

Hey, is Larken in one of these fanchars drawings? I actually have no idea who the heck is him.
Or Melody, for that matter.

I only know Liam because Taeshi-san put him in a 'cannon' comic...

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 10:14 AM, said:

i know,i rule.

also... i wanted to type "getting fucked in the ass" and i came out "getting fucked in the ass"...
weirdest Freudian slip ever.

IT KEEPS HAPPENING !!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by oddguy: 08 December 2010 - 08:08 PM

Well, the forum abuses the censorship module to turn Kizuña (without the ~) into that phrase. It is not your fault. ^_^

What? You can't say getting fucked in the ass?
Edit: Wow you really can't. This is hilarious.

This post has been edited by Mister Nikel: 08 December 2010 - 08:22 PM

Taeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 06:14 PM, said:

This is basically what happened:



No, this post is not an invitation to post more memes. Stop it, you guys.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 08 December 2010 - 08:34 PM

Nothing to see here, move along gentlemen

This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 08 December 2010 - 09:11 PM

Kaxbe, Boomer I believe you deserve this more than I do.

Was that Woody and Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story edited in some way?

Mr. SuitCase looks buffed.

They are, yes. It is a rather amusing image. ^_^

Just walking by.

This post has been edited by Mister Nikel: 08 December 2010 - 09:13 PM

Oh look! One idiot posted meme-related content and now a few other people are doing it!!!! This is basically what went on with fancharacters. After three posts, look how off topic the thread is already. The thread has been hurt. This is similar to what Taeshi and Suitcase are talking about when they say it degrades the quality of the comic.

There is a method to my madness.

Easy Fix, Taeshi: Don't include fancharacters anymore. Create a few throwaway characters that you can just place in the background whenever needed. Like Sleeping Cat. He was cool.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 08 December 2010 - 08:55 PM

I suppose you're right Kaxbe, and yeah sleeping cat was one cool...cat

woah wait did i accidentally go to 4chan

You are half right.

I have seen private forums in games which you have to be chosen for. Asking for access to these forum means that you are instantly and permanently black listed from getting into that forum.

"What's your point" you ask? Take up this policy with fan characters. Anyone who messages Taeshi with an FC instantly gets that FC black listed from ever appearing in the comic. If people are making these FC's just because they want to appear in the comic (which is pretty horrible tbh) then this should scare them out of spamming her with their junk.

If Taeshi needs to fill spaces she could still use fan characters, she should just choose fan characters from close friends which don't have a 2D personality. People get excited and feel included to have an FC cameo, heck even I would if I ever made one.

Kaxbe, on 08 December 2010 - 08:23 PM, said:

I just wanted to move this to the next page because I like it so much. Good onya Kaxbe

Not enough bitch in this thread. Let's fix this problem.

You are all a big bunch of fucking babies.

First off, lemme say something about this "BLARGH C-BOORU IS FILLED WITH FANCHARACTERS BLARGH" nonsense, since I actually bothered to do an analysis awhile ago.

Out of the 1830 images on candybooru, 191 have the fancharacter tag. That is to say, approximately 10.44% of the images are of, or contain at least one, fancharacter (only 18 drawn by Taeshi!). Now, this excludes most of the "regulars", of getting fucked in the ass, Tess, McCain etc. And also roughly 73 comic pages by Kaxbe of Larken (and innumerable other images) that I am too fucking lazy to go fix. Even including those, we still have 14.43% of the images relating to fancharacters in any form or fashion. With on average, during a busy week, 4, at the most 6 of the 16 images per page having fancharacters to contribute to this "logging on only to see a bunch of furry fancharacter shit", ignoring for the moment that the entire site is a bunch of furry shit.

Are you seriously raging over something this inconsequential. (Yes, I know the answer. No, I don't want any smart-ass comments from one of you ass-kissers.)

People are always going to bug you for self inserts. People are probably going to still write fanfiction, make their own little special stories and rps and whatever the fuck, regardless of whatever ban their precious Taeshi-san has wrought upon them. Welcome to being popular on the internet. You could just ignore them, like everyone else who couldn't give two shits does. Nobody forces you to acknowledge fancharacters. Nobody forces you to insert them in your comic. Nobody forces you to even pay attention to the people pestering you. God forbid people enjoy your work that much that they would consider being even linked to such a thing an honor.

This Aria thing I did because hey, what the hey. Let's get a few shits and giggles and all have a good ol' time. But really? You're letting someone drawing just a little comic between themselves, something that, as we've clearly put forth, could really have no impact on the comic at large get to you? Are you twelve?

What you have here is an unsolvable problem, by simple fact that you're making it a problem, and letting yourself get enraged over some stupid shit that doesn't really matter. The whole love them one minute, hate them the next thing probably ain't too healthy either. But I digress:

Grow some goddamn balls.

This post has been edited by Credence: 09 December 2010 - 02:20 AM

h-hi guys

I really can't credit myself at all with McCain's popularity or likability. I kind of made him on a whim a long time ago, when BCB was posted on DA in chapters, mostly because I wanted to talk to Taeshi more. I only thought him up because I was musing as to what sort of niche in the cast wasn't filled, and he was really only supposed to be a gag character. Taeshi ended up making really good use of him, though, and that can't really be credited to me. Really, whenever I see McCain art and stuff, and people praising how cool/badass he is, I kind of feel bad - because I feel like I'm obliged to comment on it, lest looking like an unappreciative prick, but if I do that consistently, it's going to look like the only reason I care about the comic is because McCain's in it - and worse, that I'm stealing the credit from Taeshi, who's the only reason he's so likable / he even exists. (For a while, I just read the comic, but whenever McCain appeared I felt obliged to acknowledge it, which sort of made it look that way.)

I've offered to sign over any rights I might have to him if necessary (the offer still stands, by the way ). I never meant to piggyback off Taeshi's success (though I did predict correctly that her comic would get really popular at some point) and was surprised that he was even used at all. I'd draw more of her characters to make up for it, but with finals and my own projects I haven't had much time - I do hope I can make up for all the drama I may have had a hand in :[

(Also, to everyone who say McCain is some awesome perfect badass, he's kind of a know-it-all prick with no tact or charisma and has a habit of butting in on other people's conversations; you'd probably all be telling him to shut up too if you ever met him)

And he's clearly a stalker.

bluh

@Taeshi: Meh, even if you hate them fan characters give (and can continue to give) the comic more variety in my opinion. Not to say that you and Suitcase don't have a valid point, you do, I mean if ever other member were to send in their own character...you'd be swamped, the comic would be swamped, BCBs quality could be affected, it's also probably really annoying. Still, adding the ideas of other people is not a bad thing, not when done properly. (If I repeated anything or said something completely irrelevant, just ignore it, I more skimmed than read the first three pages of this thread)

Also McCain is a junior? I just noticed that...

Credence, on 09 December 2010 - 02:18 AM, said:

Thank you.

kekon werent you talking about just how much you thought suitcase was right in the chat yesterday

one free internet to whoever wrote the most words last

NOT SEEIN ANY BALLS GROWIN YET

Credence, on 09 December 2010 - 05:14 AM, said:

Need you to show us how it's done. Give a good proper example of manly growth.

I have complete faith.

yeah i was gonna say

kekon get an opinion of your own jeez

in before you agree with me

Also Cred: You keep assuming that Candybooru really does archive all the fanart I've gotten over the years. The gallery section on the site, prior to Candybooru was TERRIBLY incomplete, all because Souppy maintained a rule that BCB characters should have to be the primary centerpiece of the fanart.. otherwise the image was ineligible. I remember getting notes and emails of people requesting we post their fanart on the gallery section. And often the fanart was just their dumb fancharacter posing on their own. I'm pretty sure the number now on the Candybooru would be considerably larger had those fanarts been accepted years ago. I did accept them back in the day, and Souppy didn't include them in the Candybooru move. So there goes your number. This isn't something new. This is something that's developed over the years.

Also, why didn't you include the Larken comics? Your numbering is incorrect on this basis, there's a huge number of Larken images. You can't just "pick and choose" the number. Of course it's going to be a small percentage if you're only counting a subset of the fancharacters.

But yeah, this whole thing is not just about the composition of candybooru. So it seems a bit silly to be all "oh well you can't be mad because on candybooru there's x amount of images excluding this one and this one and this one and this one" that's just plain silly.

Also I find it funny you're like "grow some balls!!!" when I've had people tell me to grow balls and just STAMP DOWN how i feel about this rather than get wishy-washy about fancharacters just because they're being drawn by artists that I personally like. Or being all "Oh that one is okay I might cameo it uguu." The problem IS the whole "love em or hate em", and I've chosen the latter path here. Seems like ball-growing to me. It's not like this changes anything. I'll still be posting comics, I'll still be rolling my eyes at the fancharacters. I might try and ignore it more and just blare them out of my mind, but hey at least that will be consistent.

I like how it's suddenly become this whole intolerant "Taeshi is just so mean but we're only trying to show that we love you!!!" thing when I've been doing this comic and getting this amount of stuff for like what four years now? It's probably "inconsequential" to you if you're just considering Candybooru with all the little exceptions you put forward. Give me a break!

Credence, on 09 December 2010 - 02:18 AM, said:

It's not just "being popular on the internet". It's a fan "habit" particular to BCB. No other comic has this volume of fancharacters.

And with this volume of fancharacters, it becomes hard to ignore the implication that people are thinking hurtful things: that the official characters are inadequate or boring, and that the superficial backstory of some Mary Sue trumps the hours poured into developing a character like Daisy or Michael or Lucy.

Sorry to off-topic but Souppy's icon always makes me think that Dejiko is giving you the score.

uguu

SuitCase, on 09 December 2010 - 06:43 AM, said:

So when someone creates a fancharacter, you assume that it's because they don't think the comic is good enough? I don't understand.

Anyway, if I were writing a story, and I wanted to have a character that plays a certain role that none of the existing official characters fit, what else would I do but create a fancharacter?

This post has been edited by SuitCase: 09 December 2010 - 07:03 AM
Reason for edit: im in ur post fixin ur quote tag

Ugh, I don't mean to get in anyone's way but, going around saying for TaeSuit to grow up is somewhat childish.

Do you really think they haven't thought this over and over?
Do you think this started a little while ago?


also DON'T FREAKIN QUOTE ANY GIGANTIC POST, GODDAMNIT!

SuitCase, on 09 December 2010 - 06:43 AM, said:

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, oh that's cute. I find it hilarious that you assume you guys are the only artists ever to find yourself in this situation. Honestly now, I could probably go search for about 30 seconds on Deviantart and find like 150 goddamn <INSERT ANIMAL HERE> fancharacters made for the same goddamn <INSERT ANIMAL HERE> comic someone's been running for 2 goddamn years. Repeat ad nauseum. Don't even get me started on sprite comics. But clearly you're the only ones who ever bother to talk to your fans. Clearly.

And no, I'm not going to cut you a break when it's you being wholly irrational about something. And I did include the Kaxbe comics, if you bothered to read rather than go "lolol Cred". I simply pointed out they hadn't been tagged, because most people didn't even know he was a fancharacter to begin with. The point is every other week or so I see you on your twitter going "WAAH C-BOORU IS FILLED WITH GODDAMN FURRIES", so I chose to focus on that side of the issue. The reason I was telling you to grow some balls is because of the way the argument was presented; That people who make their own little characters in tribute are somehow being "disrespectful"? That they "infringe" upon the universe and story? Insinuating that anyone creating an anthro character is selfish and incapable of creative thought that spans beyond the realm of a disney story? Really? Just what kind of magical holy grail do you guys actually think you are? Be serious here.

While I'm here: Lycan. Either contribute to the conversation or get the fuck out. Jesus. Enough with the Yes-man routine.

This post has been edited by Credence: 09 December 2010 - 01:56 PM

Credence, on 09 December 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Ok, go. I think there's probably 30-50 fancharacters for BCB, maybe 15 fleshed out ones. Try to equal that with another webcomic. I truly think it's unusual.

Credence, on 09 December 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

The premise was "fancharacters are irritating and lame". What are you trying to say?

SuitCase, on 09 December 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

All I said was exactly what you said.

I'm not sure how to read that. I'll clarify my point if you didn't get it: you don't seem to have a particular point to make beyond "chill out". And yet we are chilled out, we are not rampaging or crying, we are just trying to make a decisive statement on something I gather you agree with already.

yeah weren't you the one going around rolling your eyes at fancharacters and getting pretty excited over aria killing them or something

i mean seriously i am wondering over what you're trying to defend

do you honestly expect there's going to be a fancharacter holocaust right this moment in which big bad dinosaur lil is gonna delete everything or ban people for making such abominationsssss, it's really a case of expressing annoyance, showing exactly what the feelings are regarding fancharacters, and going "right I'm not going to be bipolar on you guys anymore gonna be straight out FRONT no special treatment"

Since before this it was all "Oh man why don't you make a decision you either like them or ya don't!!!"

Instead of occasionally bitching on the twitters and stuff

In other news the next poster will be #150 and they'll be a Mewtwo!!!! But you know #151 is the cooler one >8(

SuitCase, on 09 December 2010 - 02:40 PM, said:

You can read it as I was quoting things directly from your first post. But fair enough. Also if it's any consolation, the DA search does in fact take longer than initially suggested; There are fancharacters created in tribute to other fanworks (Sonic, Zim, TMNT, Spyro, Balto, Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron [What the fuck], Megaman, etc), but sense those in themselves are derivatives, can't really use them for argument. I do have one decent example though: MSPA. Especially the goddamn trolls.

Taeshi, on 09 December 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

A bit, at the first part yeah. Sounds like you're actually, physically getting angry over them though. It's great that you're taking a stance on everything, sure. But what does that actually solve?

Meh. In any case I'll probably have a more comprehensive post when I'm not leaving for final exams. Woosh.

This post has been edited by Credence: 09 December 2010 - 03:08 PM