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Ya, they've been influencing it. Two are regular (or close to it) cast now. So previously it did for sure.

Fair enough answer for my question, not exactly what I was after though, i'll be a little more specific.

I was actually wandering if they influence it in a less direct way than simply causing new characters to be introduced, for example if you were to read a bunch of Paulo fan fiction which portrayed him in a slightly different way to normal, then while it will only have a very small influence on the reader (being non canon), I believe that in some way it will cause a degree of character development which may even influence Taeshi's oppinion of her own character, possibly causing some changes to the characters/plot of the comic.

Or have they ever influenced the story a little more directly. For example has anyone ever made a fan fiction which coincidently predicts almost exactly what is soon going to happen in the real comic. I mean really it would seem a bit dodgey if Taeshi went ahead and wrote the comic how it was originally intended to be, which due to the fanfic being created first would cause a fair bit of criticism.

To me, this entire issue seems dead simple: Taeshi and Suitcase don't like fancharacters, so don't make them!

I don't need god given objective reasons that fan characters are evil. In fact, to me, Suitcase's original reasons seem to be able to attack regular fanfiction and fan art as well. Even so, if the person(s) who intellectually own bcb don't want us making fan characters, the respectful thing for us to do is to just not make them.

Does it really have to get more complicated than this?

Edit: so when it comes down to it, I agree with Suitcase's overall position that we shouldn't make fancharacters, but for a completely different reason.

Edit 2: And another thing: if it's so intellectually lazy for people to make a fancharacter, piggybacking off of the BCB universe as it were, isn't it just as lazy (if not MORE so, because you're re-using all the characters!) to write a story based on the BCB universe? This makes ALL fan fiction lazy and immature! This is why I don't buy the original reasons for hating fan characters. Unless you want to hate fan fiction as well, the only compelling reason to hate them is that the original creator doesn't like them.

This post has been edited by Starwatcher: 29 December 2010 - 08:10 AM

oh my god do you still not understand the difference

What is about people and makeing fan characters, there like sheep, one person does
it, everyone else go along with it. Can no one original, I manage too, so most can
aswell.

Hey Lucy, this is my fancharacter. Stroke his penis.

Is that meant to be funny?

Of course fanfiction or fanart requires less effort than creating an individual standalone story or character, and could be construed as lazy. I don't think it's necessarily so, though, and has its own challenges. It's only really worth criticising when a person only ever writes fanwork and doesn't ever have entirely creative ideas of their own as well.

I would not criticise fanfiction or fanart generally in this thread, it's not really relevant. The main points I made in the original post relate to shoehorning in fancharacters being disrespectful, yet fanart and fanfiction can be really nice to receive.

SuitCase, on 29 December 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Yeah. I'm beginning to see - is the main difference that it's nice to see fanfiction and fanart, but unpleasant to see fan characters? I can understand this, definitely.

I'm going to make a fan character for The New Testament.

I've decided to retract what I said earlier for 2 reasons:

1) My (apparent) inability to understand this problem seems to be upsetting people, which is the last thing I want to do.

2) Suitcase makes a really, really good point: fancharacters take LESS effort to make than it takes to write a story. They ARE lazy, they ARE stupid, and furthermore, I see that 99.99% of the time they ALL suck!

It seems that, once again, I missed all the fun.

Anyways, the two most important things I learned from this are:

1.- What "getting fucked in the ass" actually means.
2.- Art of Trolling - The Art of Pranks, Tricks, Lies and Trolling - internet troll - Cheezburger


All in all, it was an enriching experience.

Starwatcher, on 29 December 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Lets not bend over backwards too much, your head might reach the floor.


Besides all the discussion in the thread, have you decided to take any action regarding the opinions of everyone, negative or positive.

This post has been edited by Pants: 30 December 2010 - 01:49 AM

Apoc, on 29 December 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

Feel free to TL;DR

Dick move by lolwut inbound:

Corrections: What is it about people making fan characters? They're like sheep, one person does it, everyone else goes along with it. Can no one be original? I manage too be so, so others can as well.

What I just did was completely unnecessary for this is the internet, and therefore quick speech is instigated. Really I couldn't care what you post on the forums and if we can understand it then congrats. This just represents how much I HATE when the fan-fiction I have a hard time getting into because I know it doesn't have any application to the real comic (except for .1 percent of the time, and I appreciate those times) and then this fan fiction is filled with countless spelling errors and grammatical inversions. I am then slapped with a massive *WTF?* because if the writer cared enough to compose a piece of literature as tribute to a favorite comic, and even some drawn (and some quite well) a comic to have their words placed in and then they can't spell check it. It just looks unprofessional.

Enjoy my tirade, and please feel free to rate and comment. If I made a grammatical or spelling mistake, I beg you to shove it so far done my throat I choke to death on the English language.

*Edit* already had to change fell to feel, damn it.

This post has been edited by lolwut: 30 December 2010 - 03:10 AM

lolwut said:

lolwut said:

You're welcome.

To be honest, your main paragraph doesn't have great grammatical flow either. Take this run-on sentence, for example:

lolwut said:

The end of the sentence needs to connect with the beginning (e.g. "I HATE when the fan-fiction [insert digression] is..."). It'd likely be better broken up into two sentences anyhow.

Hey, you did ask for it.

Uhm, hi! Just a lurker popping in.

I think if I were in Vero's shoes, I'd get annoyed if I was basically being told "HEY, VERO! I REALLY LIKE YOUR COMIC AND YOUR CHARACTERS. HERE'S *MY* CHARACTER! THIS IS *MY* GIFT TO YOU." Are you serious? That's like spitting on the original source. *Especially* if a fan's gallery is full of more drawings of their own fancharacter than the existing ones. Are you really a fan of the source material, or are you a fan of *yourself*? I understand the "tribute" part is really well-meant in most fancharacters' cases, but a lot of times... it just doesn't work.

Despite that, I don't hate fancharacters as a whole. In general, I think they just either work (very rarely!) or they don't. I think they can be a great start to something original, or they can be an interesting challenge (how to make a character exist in a pre-made world and make them actually interesting and interact with the cast without trying to steal the spotlight, etc.) But they *do* imply things to the author. She does have the choice to ignore it all, and at least she can make the decision to stop using fancharacters or accepting submissions with them. Even if she does, knowing they exist *still* affects the author's feelings in one way or another. I think at the very least she's allowed to feel that way while at the same time taking action on the influx of fanchars.

(Edited to get rid of the Black Jack mentions since I think I can manage to say this without mentioning specific fandoms. Also to get rid of the original massive TL;DR so sorry for this atrocious writing aaghhh)

This post has been edited by Dia Aren Marie: 31 December 2010 - 11:02 AM

I love you Melissa.

I have to comment here again now that there's that incentive comic up:

See, I know Tess is a fan character but... I like the way Taeshi wrote and drew her. I don't think there's any harm in that. To me, it's like Tess was the one that found ways to make them into a group instead of just a bunch of moody, hormonal teenagers. By abducting them, admittedly, but she did have charisma and that was independent of her origins.

"Hurt" was originally a song by Nine Inch Nails, but which version is more popular: that version or the Johnny Cash version? Cash took that song and made it his, which is why I had kind of hoped Taeshi would take a character regardless of its origins and make it something. 'Cause, God, the only Tess I know is the one she wrote, so as far as I'm concerned it might as well be hers.

Kinuza, I never really cared for and Carson, well, Taeshi was right about him. He was a one trick pony and she got rid of him in a hilarious way. But do I miss Tess? Will I, when she finally leaves the cast for good? Yeah, a little. I'll dealwithit.gif, of course, but still.

Well, Every one starts somewhere. You can't just decide one day "Durp I'ma make teh greatest comic EVAR!" without being able to draw a straight line.

Most artists want to know if anyone will like their work before they go and work on a project like their own comic. Most artists use sites Like DA to practice and see what the public thinks but you don't always get people watching you, at least here everything is displayed on the first page when you click "Gallery" in order to get to the fanarts.

Also, what would you prefer: People making their retarded fancharacters and making their own comics with them on Candybooru, or to take Taeshi's characters and work with those and become equaly as popular on candybooru using Taeshi's Characters?

oh ! this is back !
i'm so glad we can now continue this adult debate in a mature...
no u no u no u no u no u no u nooooooooooo uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu !!!

what a completely stupid argument

"hey IT COULD BE WORSE YOU KNOW!! that is why you should not really be bothered!!!!"

they could also be cutting my arms off.

NO U.

Ark, on 13 January 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Shouldn't the answer be obvious? You just described the difference between fan art--which is perceived, usually, as laudatory and flattering--and the plagiarism and perversion of intellectual property.

Why should popularity enter into the equation? No artist is going to become more popular than the author by posting stuff related to the author's work (either fan art or fan character) on the author's website. Supposing they are capable of this, or even of achieving a relatively high level of popularity, why the hell wouldn't they just create original stuff? They would clearly have the talent for it. Moreover, speaking of even the least talented fan character creator, their appropriation and ingenious bastardization of the author's characters and world should suggest they have the creativity necessary to build their own characters and narratives. Their continued piggybacking off the author, then, smacks of laziness and disrespect.

This post has been edited by Silentvelcro: 13 January 2011 - 08:48 PM

Ark, on 13 January 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

If it we're me i'd prefer them to use the characters I made, simply because when they post stuff on sites like deviantart it would be causing more people to see the comic. If the person didn't acknowledge that it wasn't their own character the shit storm caused by BCB readers would create even more attention for BCB.

Unless you have something better than "NO U" can we let the thread die now?

Edit: @ Silent, I think that was a rhetorical question, where using BCB characters was suppose to be the prefered option.

This post has been edited by Anialator: 13 January 2011 - 08:50 PM

Yes, you're right, it seems I did make a bit of an ass of myself there. My misunderstanding did allow me to hit upon what I think is a pretty compelling argument against fan characters, though, so I'm going to call it even.

Edit: wait, you sure? The question seems to posit fan art as direct plagiarism as opposed to fan character creation, which would be somehow less offensive because you're supposedly using something besides the authors own works (something 'retarded', granted) to attain popularity.

This post has been edited by Silentvelcro: 13 January 2011 - 09:05 PM

SuitCase, on 07 December 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

I didn't know those were fan characters. I like those characters, even little Carter, and if Veronica likes them enough to put them in the comic, it's been fun so far. The death of getting fucked in the ass on the way to her home planet was also fun.

SuitCase, on 07 December 2010 - 01:55 PM, said:

I don't generally like to read fan works with fan characters. It's a little different when it's in the actual work, though. But being a fan means appreciating Lucy, Mike, Paulo, Daisy, etc. If I were to do fan art/comics, it would be about them.

Jerk said:

True, I especially like Tess and McCain in the comic. But I can understand Veronica wanting to make way for her own characters.

P.S. I don't know if Taeshi hates fan characters, but I'd be a little tired of them if I already included a bunch.
P.P.S. You guys are thread necromancers.

This post has been edited by Kav: 13 January 2011 - 11:35 PM

edit: on second thought, I don't need anymore trouble here. It's not like it matters anyway.

This post has been edited by Starwatcher: 13 January 2011 - 11:40 PM

Kav, on 13 January 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

Well, this is a pretty sore topic for people.

I know, right? It seems completely polarized to me. Either you're ok with the fancharacters / don't understand the hate, or you're completely against them and think that they're evil.

Silentvelcro, on 13 January 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:

Yeah i'm sure, it's not that a person does it to gain popularity:

Ark, on 13 January 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

Meaning equally as popular as the person making the fan characters. Though yeah I do see the word popular being an odd choice of description, perhaps he meant to say equally as artistic?

Being artistic = Popular in an art based community right?

Anialator, on 14 January 2011 - 03:16 AM, said:

:I I think he means "popular" in a well-commented sense or of general approval.

Now i see... The why Taeshi hate fancharacter...