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The Phancharacter Menace Why fancharacters are shit and you should stop making them

  • SpaceMouse
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  • his custom license plate literally reads "M0US3Y"

View PostVisionary, on 08 December 2010 - 12:14 AM, said:

My case is not so different from Spacey's. The only reason I drew my 5-month-old dog as a righteous teenager wearing sweatshirt was for mere fun, and I had absolutely no intentions of annoying Veronica with his existence. In fact, I didn't even knew she didn't like them when I made that GSD (also, someone tempted me to draw him). If I knew I would never make him. I already have my own cast of anthropomorphic characters and their very own background and world, but the last thing I wanted was to make them have any sort of interaction with the BCB cast for this very exact reason.

Well, I do agree that this whole "tons of fan-characters" things is utterly annoying, and I do admit that I kind of made one, myself, but I never really made use of him in actual fan-art (if random doodles for the sake of having something done at least once per week doesn't counts). I have no intentions of drawing him interacting with nobody from BCB cast, and you bet I'll not. Then again, I only created him for simple fun, so I apologize if I offended any of you with what I've been drawing so far, and also will stop with these needless and unrelated drawings I've been doing since I came here, and focus on actual fan-art. Once again, my apologies.


nothing personal vins, but i think this is exactly part of the problem.
suit specifically mentioned cases where the bcb cast has basically nothing to do with the fancharacter - they're tired of people making fancharacters that have nothing really to do with BCB.
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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:31 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:



of course I'm gonna hate! Because you freaken should know by now how much I had to deal with this bullshit! I can't wait till BCB ends some days, because I know when I made my next comic, I will have learned to not even CONSIDER a fancharacter. Just go my own way, no cameos, nothing.




Here be my problem.

Your assuming none of this will happen with a different comic. Yes, the "furry" fanbase has a healthy grab on this comic in particular, but any comic can pull this attention. Even if you made a goryfest death comic, you still will get all this, in one form or another.

It's a part of the job requirement to be able to withstand some of the lesser wanted parts of the community. Just place a blanket FAQ stating you don't really like fancharacters, but people can do what they want. It's all you really can do. People will always draw and write, but who cares? If you don't like it, then you don't like it. Just nicely tell people your not interesting in third party material and leave it at that.

Trying your hardest to remove fancharacters is only going to alienate your community.

This post has been edited by Pants: 08 December 2010 - 01:43 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:42 AM
  • navi
  • Special Ed
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This is one of the few battlles you will lose.
  • #53
  • 08 December 2010 - 01:44 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

To add one thing, I do have to disagree with Souppy about him including Toasty in the list. I mean yeah Liam is kind of a gary stu in retrospect and I was just in a euphoria of drawing cute LiamxLucy comics, but the difference is that Toasty only really draws Liam when we (And I say we as in we giggle about it and I give the thumbs up) come up with a good idea about it. I remember getting all LiamxLucy at one point and he drew a few more pictures just because of that. But otherwise Liam is just some dumb character that is up in the air and Toasty is off doing his own thing.

Whereas we have people like Kaxbe who do nothing but bitch about how much they hate Larken yet make like a freaken novel about Larken comics. I know he's trying to get out of it, but it's still kind of unnerving because it's like "finish the damn story already" and "shit but if you finish the damn story there will be more comics"

And Mousey I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that. You did start off Melody for fun, but people really bloody loved her. So you felt compelled to draw more and more of her, and then you became yet another dumb fancharacter maker who only draws Melody and gets happy over Melody fanart and ohgod melody could actually date Paulo!?!?!??! that makes it okay!!!

Liam COULD date Lucy, Larken COULD date Lucy. That doesn't mean they have a freaken snowball's chance in HELL.

And that goes for Larken freaken being into Amaya. WHY DO FANCHARACTERS HAVE TO WANT A REAL CHARACTER. WHY. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. GET OVER IT. STOP THINKING THAT. THEY WILL NEVER BE FRIENDS, THEY WILL NEVER DATE. IF THAT WERE THE CASE IT WOULD BE IN THE COMIC LIKE MCCAIN OR TESSA.

You had to constantly apologise to me over me rolling my eyes at yet another dumb Melody comic and be all "but they made me do it wahh!!!", you either decide to please the masses or please me. I can understand you going for the former because - hey - you're getting attention from a WHOLE BUNCHA PEOPLE, but don't go apologising and feeling sorry for yourself every step of the way. You KNOW I hate fancharacters. You SAW my reaction when Melody was FIRST introduced. Is it REALLY that surprising?

You either do it shamelessly and get my scorn (In that ONE thing because jesus, I don't hate Kaxbe or Toasty or Mousey for making fancharacters, they're like some of my closest bros), or you don't. Simple as that.

And look, guys, i can understand people thinking "GEEEZ LIL IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL MANY SERIES GET FANCHARACTERS IT'S INEVITABLE", but the problem with that is the creators of those communities aren't involved enough in said communities to be involved in that kind of shit. I have to deal with that shit all the time. I used to gets notes about people's stupid fancharacters and how bad they want to be cameo'd in BCB, there was even one person who THREATENED to take down their pictures if I didn't include their fancharacter. And don't get me freaken STARTED on fucking getting fucked in the ass.

Look, I could easily get away from this community and allow you guys to make all the stupid fancharacters you want. I mean if you think fancharacters "aren't that bad", step in my shoes! Let's see if you can do it better than I can! I was tolerant back then, hell I used to love fancharacters. Why else would I have included them in the comic? I became jaded, realised that was a horrible mistake to have made, and it's difficult to clean myself off of it now. It really is. Because I will be like "ughghgh fancharacters" and people will be all "WOT ABOUT MCCAIN LOL YOU LIKE HIM DOUBLE-STANDARDS"

They're unimaginative, irritating, and diminishes all the work I put into doing this comic. I know it's not perfect, but when I have people flooding candybooru with some shitty fancharacter just because they're the hot topic of the day and going on about how they're better than Lucy, that really boils my shit something fierce.

Seriously, that's one thing that has made me ANGRY. People who are like "Oh Melody is a much better character than Lucy" or "Oh McCain should take over BCB and become main", like how freaken dare you? How dare you diminish that work? For some stupid half-baked character whose sole purpose is to be "cute" and "nerdy" and "into Paulo"? Like seriously? It shits me because I don't want to offend Mousey, but when you're acting like they're this superior developed awesome character, it is just goddamn offensive! I don't go around and say "Oh hey Susan that's a nice fanfic BUT NOT AS GOOD AS MAVERIK'S" or "MAN CARMEN'S DRAWINGS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN SOCKS"

But like.. yeah, they shit me immensely. And it's depressing that it had to come to making a freaken topic about it for people to get the point. Because we have people like Mousey who are all "Tee hee i made this character based on susan tee hee BUT DON'T HATE ME TAE THEY MADE ME DO IT"

of course I'm gonna hate! Because you freaken should know by now how much I had to deal with this bullshit! I can't wait till BCB ends some days, because I know when I make my next comic, I will have learned to not even CONSIDER a fancharacter. Just go my own way, no cameos, nothing.

I can't even do CAMEOS anymore without someone bitching about how badly they want their fancharacter in a cameo (I'M LOOKING AT YOU KOU)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

>:O

---

OH HERE'S ANOTHER THING CHRIST

I MEAN SERIOUSLY

WHY DO PEOPLE RUIN NICE THINGS

LIKE THE ARIA COMICS

DID YOU SERIOUSLY HAVE TO DRAW A CONVOLUTED STORY ABOUT YOUR STUPID FANCHARACTER FIGHTING ARIA AND HAVING A CHANCE DANCING-SWORD

LIKE SERIOUSLY

AND BEING ALL "DON'T FINISH IT OFF I STILL HAVE MORE TO DO"

WHAT ARE YOU TWELVE

"OH GOD I GOTTA PROTECT MY FANCHARACTER"

JESUS


I do walkthroughs for youtube, and because of that people are always inviting me to their party, most of the time they're two years old or something like that. Their annoying, I can't stand their BS, and I want to keep them as far away from me as possible because now even gaming is annoying work thanks to them; ya know what i do? I stay in the parties, I let them talk to me, I mention them, and I respect all of my subscribers, because there are so many other people doing EXACTLY what I do, but they stick to me. So I let them know I'm glad for it. #^_^#

This post has been edited by kekon: 08 December 2010 - 02:33 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:45 AM
  • Taeshi
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Pants: Can you cite a creator involved in a given community enough to literally be on IRC most of the time and able to directly get first-hand fanart from fans? I am indeed curious. I know fancharacters are inevitable and if you read, that's kind of what I stated in my rant. But the lucky thing with those communities is that they usually don't have to deal with it because they aren't involved nearly as much.. and can just ignore it. Other times they're probably starting out like I did.. and going "Oh hey a fancharacter! That's something :D"

I doubt I'll be able to remove them, I don't think I can and I don't really feel like I want to for the reason you stated. It's just something I deeply can't stand and makes me wish I was less involved and instead one of those people that appears once in a blue moon to greet IRC and then go off and do more work. I assume if I was unattached from the community, I would have a much higher tolerance for bullshit like this.
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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:48 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:48 AM, said:

Pants: Can you cite a creator involved in a given community enough to literally be on IRC most of the time and being directly able to even first-hand get those drawings from fans? I am indeed curious. I know fancharacters are inevitable and if you read, that's kind of what I stated in my rant. But the lucky thing with those communities is that they usually don't have to deal with it because they aren't involved nearly as much.. and can just ignore it. Other times they're probably starting out like I did.. and going "Oh hey a fancharacter! That's something :D"

I doubt I'll be able to remove them, I don't think I can and I don't really feel like I want to for the reason you stated. It's just something I deeply can't stand and makes me wish I was less involved and instead of those people that appears once in a blue moon to greet IRC and then go off and do more work.


Off the top of my head within the communities i've been in, no.

However, you don't need to comment on those images if you feel so perturbed by them. It's very common knowledge after a week of being on the irc that you dislike fancharacters, and I always wondered why you ever commented on them to begin with ever since i was on irc. I think it something that you place too much emphasis on irregardless of your activity. In saying that however, i am a different person then yourself a suitcase, nor have i been in your situation.

~~

Side note

Feel bad if you want for making a fancharacter/comic, but apologising is the absolutely wrong course of action. There is no need, and it makes zero sence. If you feel bad, stop and stuff. Apologising just has no context in this sort of discussion.

This post has been edited by Pants: 08 December 2010 - 01:57 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:54 AM
  • SpaceMouse
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if i may -

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

And Mousey I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that. You did start off Melody for fun, but people really bloody loved her. So you felt compelled to draw more and more of her, and then you became yet another dumb fancharacter maker who only draws Melody and gets happy over Melody fanart and ohgod melody could actually date Paulo!?!?!??! that makes it okay!!!

suit was the one who pushed me into making more than one fancomic. totally and completely. i had no intentions to do anything more than admiration originally.
i frankly take offense that i'm someone who only draws my fancharacter - you would know i've been drawing a bunch of other pictures, inclusive are gifts i've given to you. i do get happy when someone draws melody art, because i find it flattering - it's not something i ever really expected.
re: melody actually dating paulo, i never once suggested that. i remember a skype conversation where other people were talking about it, but i've never once said it as an actual thing. you were the one who talked about how "everyone but mike and lucy can change who they date", if i also remember from the same convo.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

Liam COULD date Lucy, Larken COULD date Lucy. That doesn't mean they have a freaken snowball's chance in HELL.

And that goes for Larken freaken being into Amaya. WHY DO FANCHARACTERS HAVE TO WANT A REAL CHARACTER. WHY. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. GET OVER IT. STOP THINKING THAT. THEY WILL NEVER BE FRIENDS, THEY WILL NEVER DATE. IF THAT WERE THE CASE IT WOULD BE IN THE COMIC LIKE MCCAIN OR TESSA.

you get angry when someone makes their characters do their own thing. you get mad when they interact with your characters in a meaningful way, and then go rewarding them.
nothing personal tae, but you're extremely, extremely bipolar here.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

You had to constantly apologise to me over me rolling my eyes at yet another dumb Melody comic and be all "but they made me do it wahh!!!", you either decide to please the masses or please me. I can understand you going for the former because - hey - you're getting attention from a WHOLE BUNCHA PEOPLE, but don't go apologising and feeling sorry for yourself every step of the way. You KNOW I hate fancharacters. You SAW my reaction when Melody was FIRST introduced. Is it REALLY that surprising?

your first reaction, and i remember exactly from the skype conversation, was a 'OH NOOOO' running away from the mic, and then coming back and saying "i can put her in the background of this comic i'm drawing". exact. reaction.
i'm not suprised. i know how you'll react. but i also know that you've been completely love/hate at me the entire way. your first post in my melody thread here on the new forums says, and i quote, "a tolerable fancharacter".
you're my friend, tae. when everyone who i also consider my friends messages me to make more of something they enjoy, and i know one of my friends would be upset by it, of course i'm going to have an internal conflict over it. but you know from me talking to you that i said i wouldn't make any more.
i would apologize for the way i act, but i believe apologizing for apologizing is rather meaningless - i've also, as i know i've talked with with suit, been doing a lot to not just break down and babble that you hate me. i think i've been doing that pretty well.
i also don't really think that what was said to you in private conversations really belongs out here on the forum. i'm kind of upset about that, tbh.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

You either do it shamelessly and get my scorn (In that ONE thing because jesus, I don't hate Kaxbe or Toasty or Mousey for making fancharacters, they're like some of my closest bros), or you don't. Simple as that.

And look, guys, i can understand people thinking "GEEEZ LIL IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL MANY SERIES GET FANCHARACTERS IT'S INEVITABLE", but the problem with that is the creators of those communities aren't involved enough in said communities to be involved in that kind of shit. I have to deal with that shit all the time. I used to gets notes about people's stupid fancharacters and how bad they want to be cameo'd in BCB, there was even one person who THREATENED to take down their pictures if I didn't include their fancharacter. And don't get me freaken STARTED on fucking getting fucked in the ass.

Look, I could easily get away from this community and allow you guys to make all the stupid fancharacters you want. I mean if you think fancharacters "aren't that bad", step in my shoes! Let's see if you can do it better than I can! I was tolerant back then, hell I used to love fancharacters. Why else would I have included them in the comic? I became jaded, realised that was a horrible mistake to have made, and it's difficult to clean myself off of it now. It really is. Because I will be like "ughghgh fancharacters" and people will be all "WOT ABOUT MCCAIN LOL YOU LIKE HIM DOUBLE-STANDARDS"

They're unimaginative, irritating, and diminishes all the work I put into doing this comic. I know it's not perfect, but when I have people flooding candybooru with some shitty fancharacter just because they're the hot topic of the day and going on about how they're better than Lucy, that really boils my shit something fierce.

just a note here - 10% of the posts (roughly) on candybooru involve any fancharacter. any. mccain/tess/getting fucked in the ass/etc inclusive. this is including kaxbe's larken comics. this really isn't as big a problem on candybooru as you see it as - when you want to see something, you will. as such, you will notice when there's a relatively high % of fanchars on the frontpage of candybooru (comparitively), but not at all when there isn't.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

Seriously, that's one thing that has made me ANGRY. People who are like "Oh Melody is a much better character than Lucy" or "Oh McCain should take over BCB and become main", like how freaken dare you? How dare you diminish that work? For some stupid half-baked character whose sole purpose is to be "cute" and "nerdy" and "into Paulo"? Like seriously? It shits me because I don't want to offend Mousey, but when you're acting like they're this superior developed awesome character, it is just goddamn offensive! I don't go around and say "Oh hey Susan that's a nice fanfic BUT NOT AS GOOD AS MAVERIK'S" or "MAN CARMEN'S DRAWINGS ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN SOCKS"

i have honestly never heard anyone say melody is better than lucy, and i know for a fact i've never made direct comparisons like that.
i am sorry that i have caused such irritation in that regard, and i am fine taking complete responsibility for it.
dear jerks: don't do this please.


View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

But like.. yeah, they shit me immensely. And it's depressing that it had to come to making a freaken topic about it for people to get the point. Because we have people like Mousey who are all "Tee hee i made this character based on susan tee hee BUT DON'T HATE ME TAE THEY MADE ME DO IT"

of course I'm gonna hate! Because you freaken should know by now how much I had to deal with this bullshit! I can't wait till BCB ends some days, because I know when I made my next comic, I will have learned to not even CONSIDER a fancharacter. Just go my own way, no cameos, nothing.

I can't even do CAMEOS anymore without someone bitching about how badly they want their fancharacter in a cameo (I'M LOOKING AT YOU KOU)

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

>:O

re: the susan thing that was a joke from irc i don't think susan ever really intended to do anything with - shotgun_wizard drew it in a irc comic because it was playing off the whole spacemousexsusan joke that people love to throw around.
what with how much you abuse-love, i honestly hadn't meant that as anything more than an innocent joke. i hadn't even thought of it as anything more since then.

my intentions have never been to actively cause you hurt. you know that. you have also never honestly conveyed to me in any serious way that i have in fact been honestly causing you hurt. if there is any way i can make it up to you, please let me know.
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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:54 AM
I feel like Toasty only stopped drawing Liam because he's becoming ashamed of BCB and is more interested in videogame bullshit and MSPA these days, just like Evan.

View PostJPEspinoza, on 07 December 2010 - 04:12 PM, said:

but we should say this is price for being known.
I can accept that, but BCB has a very strange culture of fancharacters, beyond most things in the world I can think of, not even just with webcomics. I could probably write a list of 50 fancharacters, for a readership of 10,000. Where is the equivalent number, let alone proportional number, for QC, Ozy and Millie, Gunshow, etc? Does this happen elsewhere? I don't think it's a problem you can explain away with "oh it's because you're popular".

View PostSpaceMouse, on 07 December 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

part of the problem does in fact come from the completely frankly bipolar nature of tae on the topic. (nothing personal, tae.)

Yeah, sure, but I think a lot of the shit I'm getting for calling out friends is part and parcel of the real response to the problem. Melody, Liam and Larken are not magically excluded from the idea of being bullshit self-insert fursona things along with Visionary's stupid dog, they're entirely the same thing, and I'm doing my best to make it clear that they're very problematic in the same ways.

View PostPants, on 07 December 2010 - 06:25 PM, said:

Stop giving it so much attention all the time, and it won't be discussed so much

I don't think this happens. It's occasional bitching in IRC or whatever. This thread is supposed to centralise discussion. But either way, do you really think making it obvious that excessive fancharacter shit annoys us will lead to more being made? It seems that the majority these days are made by confused furries that stumble into Candybooru without realising that their fancharacter isn't going to be treated like some fantastic new story concept that we'll be grateful for.

View Postlolwut, on 07 December 2010 - 08:27 PM, said:

suitcase, your strong dislike of fancharacters hast given me an idea. I need to get on gmod, and make fancharacter skins for left 4 dead zombies. then put in the game and just blow the shit out of 'em. burning melody? DONE. Sniped Larken? BAM. the amount of time it would take to achieve this goal? GRATUITOUS. still, it has become a side project on my wall of endearing thoughts.

This is the sort of shit like that Aria comic that gets really annoying especially when it's framed as a conscious response to the problem. No! Just because it involves killing them doesn't mean it's more bullshit celebrating the characters. Go start your furry commune somewhere else and leave us alone.

View Postwhf, on 07 December 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

Also you must remember, lots of people get their start just doing fan-art. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't drawing sonic fanart and stuff like that help Taeshi develop HER style? Lots of people work on their art skills by using a universe that is already well-defined to develop ideas and practice their art. One day they might feel confident enough to start their own series of sorts, but until then they just want to come up with their own stories in a world that's already constructed instead of making the full effort of creating a fresh new comic.

A good argument, but I think it only applies for early teens and under. A lot of people are making fancharacters yet are adults or older, and this is the stupid part of it all. Not that Veronica is completely representative of everyone, but she started doing good original stories at about age 14, and was still creating characters in their own universes for like 7 years before that. Why can't a mature person do what she did at 7 years?

View PostPants, on 07 December 2010 - 10:48 PM, said:

The biggest confusing I still have with your post suitcase is calling out spacemouse. I do recall she was quite worried after the first comic because of the opinion yourself and taeshi had on the comic. You did give her your blessings, and off she went.

Are you referring to the time she made a good comic with a fancharacter but left it with a shit ending, and I said "finish off the story, please"? That has nothing to do with this argument and doesn't affect the fact Melody contributes to the problem this thread cites.

View PostPants, on 07 December 2010 - 10:48 PM, said:

I do understand where your coming from in terms of the issues these characters bring, but it comes across two faced because of the bias you place on particular people. Its not intentional, but its very hard to ever figure out where you stand occasionally.

That's the point of calling SpaceMouse out. There's no bias here. The cameos can be addressed by Taeshi if you want to hear why certain characters can get in, but if you think Kou's in the comic because Vero thought he's an excellent character and better than __random thing from candybooru__ then you're dead wrong.

View PostSpaceMouse, on 08 December 2010 - 01:31 AM, said:

suit specifically mentioned cases

haw
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  • 08 December 2010 - 01:56 AM

View PostSpaceMouse, on 08 December 2010 - 01:31 AM, said:

nothing personal vins, but i think this is exactly part of the problem.
suit specifically mentioned cases where the bcb cast has basically nothing to do with the fancharacter - they're tired of people making fancharacters that have nothing really to do with BCB.

Another reason I gonna stop it. The last thing I want is draw stuff with the thought "it gonna upset someone" in my head all the freaking time.

This post has been edited by Visionary: 08 December 2010 - 02:12 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:02 AM

View PostSuitcase, on 07 December 2010 - 10:48 PM, said:

Are you referring to the time she made a good comic with a fancharacter but left it with a shit ending, and I said "finish off the story, please"? That has nothing to do with this argument and doesn't affect the fact Melody contributes to the problem this thread cites.


I am referring to that.

It has everything to do with it, she specifically asked both of you because she felt it was bad to continue the comic because you both hate the fancomics so much. If you have a hardline stance, then stick to it and tell people the honest truth. She should have been told that she could continue it if she pleased, but it's not something yourself or Taeshi would prefer.

This post has been edited by Pants: 08 December 2010 - 02:03 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:02 AM
I don't see how it's so hard to understand. She started something with an annoying premise that should have been done without the use of a self-insert fancharacter. Then she wrote a 15 page comic with a shitty ending, and I said "oh, that's kind of a letdown". She then said "but I have an idea to continue it" and I said "go with that, I might have preferred you do a story about official characters originally but now you've started it'd suck to let this story end on such an anticlimactic note".
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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM
  • Taeshi
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Pants: Yeah I don't mean to pull a "OH HEY WELL YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE", but I really do wanna stress that I used to not always hate them. I used to be very happy over any ol' thing! I mean I still think despite fancharacters, I'm still quite tolerant. Like if I got stupid vore or inflation art, I wouldn't really care. It'd be funny! I guess one reason I still try to respond to fancharacters is because 1. I like the person (Kaxbe, Toasty, Mousey, Gnukko), 2. I don't wanna be mean. I guess it's unfortunate that I have to have this double-standards with wanting to be nice to people I like because that cultivates the image of people thinking "maybe she will like my character!!! I mean she likes these people's characters!!!"

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You get angry when someone makes their characters do their own thing. you get mad when they interact with your characters in a meaningful way, and then go rewarding them. nothing personal tae, but you're extremely, extremely bipolar here.


What the hell do you mean? I mean didn't I just cite that Lisa has Fiona and went off to make Fiona her own thing? That's what Ved is doing with Jack and Suri. I have absolutely no qualms with that, I in fact WELCOME that they're trying to make their characters into something more than just some fancharacter. I always want to encourage people to make their own thing, that's why I badly want Kaxbe to work on Awesome Mediocrity.

I really cannot understand what you mean. I mean characters can interact in meaningful ways, that does not mean they're gonna be included in the comic. People need to get that through their heads. It doesn't matter how much Grass draws Keith being pals with Jasmine, that won't be in the comic. That is more my point.

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your first reaction, and i remember exactly from the skype conversation, was a 'OH NOOOO' running away from the mic, and then coming back and saying "i can put her in the background of this comic i'm drawing". exact. reaction.


Pretty sure my first reaction was on twitter when you were like "You'll be soooo mad at me Toasty made me do it uguu" then I found out on IRC about it and I rolled my eyes but tried to be nice because I know how much shit you would stir if i showed disapproval. You realise half of the time I was bipolar was because I didn't wanna offend you - because frankly you don't take things well. I try to be more tolerant of people I like. I remember Xetchie being all "I have a fanchar :(" and i coulda freaken DESTROYED her but instead got all "Oh he's pretty cute i guess i can see him getting along with abbey :DDD;;;"

Pretty sure I said I would put her in a background as a joke/just to be nice. Guess I shouldn't have been nice?

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also don't really think that what was said to you in private conversations really belongs out here on the forum. i'm kind of upset about that, tbh.


Uhh, where? Pretty sure I've been stating what's been going on on IRC. What I've been citing has been public. I guess your apologising has been private, but you kind of made it public in your initial post? I am confused.


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i have honestly never heard anyone say melody is better than lucy, and i know for a fact i've never made direct comparisons like that.
i am sorry that i have caused such irritation in that regard, and i am fine taking complete responsibility for it.
dear jerks: don't do this please.


It wasn't you, Jerk has said this on multiple occasions. He said that at times in the old thread, I guess he's just trying to praise you but it's pretty.. how I say.. jerkish to do that lol
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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM
@Taeshi: I was wondering when you would post some incredibly long response...(you know another incredibly long response, they are always fun to read)

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  • #63
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:17 AM
I have to agree with Taeshi here. From her perspective and her explanation, this whole situation has bad news written all over it. Normally I'd be indifferent about it, but since Taeshi's post filled in some of the things that I didn't know about (such as her close relationship with the community and everything) I'm in favor of the anti-fan character side for this particular situation.

Of course, I just got here yesterday and I don't know much about the whole deal with SpaceMouse and everything else, so I'm afraid I know too little to give an actual view in this whole situation.

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  • #64
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:18 AM

View PostSuitCase, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

I don't see how it's so hard to understand. She started something with an annoying premise that should have been done without the use of a self-insert fancharacter. Then she wrote a 15 page comic with a shitty ending, and I said "oh, that's kind of a letdown". She then said "but I have an idea to continue it" and I said "go with that, I might have preferred you do a story about official characters originally but now you've started it'd suck to let this story end on such an anticlimactic note".


I know it's a small argument to stand on, but I know you didn't just say that during the conversation. It was rather lengthly, and she had no reason to finish it (she actually didn't want to).

Why would it suck to end it differently. She didn't want to completely it only because of yourself and taeshi. By telling her to do so, you were basically giving your permission for the comic, intentionally or otherwise. If the comic bothered you both this much, then its not fair to tell her to complete it considering she was concerned in appeasing you both in the first place.

And Tae, you don't have to hate fancharacter stuff! Just, don't take any of it with more of a grain of salt. If it's good art, then it's fun to see. If its bad, tell them thanks for the art and thats that. People will always ask for self inserts, just give them a canned response and ignore em.

This post has been edited by Pants: 08 December 2010 - 02:25 AM

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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:23 AM

View PostMarche100, on 08 December 2010 - 02:18 AM, said:

I have to agree with Taeshi here. From her perspective and her explanation, this whole situation has bad news written all over it. Normally I'd be indifferent about it, but since Taeshi's post filled in some of the things that I didn't know about (such as her close relationship with the community and everything) I'm in favor of the anti-fan character side for this particular situation.

Of course, I just got here yesterday and I don't know much about the whole deal with SpaceMouse and everything else, so I'm afraid I know too little to give an actual view in this whole situation.


over the years, Taeshi has had several fancharacters be reoccuring characters in the cast. (McCain, Tess, getting fucked in the ass.)
So over the years, people have been like "I would like to be in the comic." and Taeshi is like "Nope. :nope: "
And SpaceMouse was recently cameo'd and then this thread was opened and people were staiting opinions and stuff.
And everyones general idea of people with fancharacters are "If i knew you in real life, I would murder you."
  • #66
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:23 AM
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Pants: I'm allowed to hate it! Christ, the fact I've been so wishy-washy about it has gotten us here in the first place! I haven't been direct with people because I wanted to be a nice guy, SHOWS WHAT THAT DOES.

i mean yeah as i said, what good is this going to do anyway? Fancharacters will always be coming, this isn't gonna stop anything. People are encouraging me to be more direct because mannn taeshi u so bipolar you either like a fanchar or ya don't lol

It's hard to ignore something when it's being shoved right in yo face
  • #67
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:26 AM
Whoopps, meant you are allowed to hate*

Typing too fast, blarg.
  • #68
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:28 AM
Personally, I thought getting fucked in the ass was a bit too predictable. If someone was to ever try to bring back getting fucked in the ass they'd have to flesh her out with a good backstory.

View PostPants, on 08 December 2010 - 02:23 AM, said:

I know it's a small argument to stand on, but I know you didn't just say that during the conversation. It was rather lengthly, and she had no reason to finish it (she actually didn't want to).

Why would it suck to end it differently. She didn't want to completely it only because of yourself and taeshi. By telling her to do so, you were basically giving your permission for the comic, intentionally or otherwise. If the comic bothered you both this much, then its not fair to tell her to complete it considering she was concerned in appeasing you both in the first place.

Unless she's been sharing logs (which would OFFEND ME SO!!) I am pretty sure this is not the case. She came across in the typical way which is "I hate myself I'm terrible don't mind me tell me to go die in a ditch btw I want to make this Melody comic but I don't please hate me for it ok" and I said what I said above.

I don't really care if there was some misinterpretation of things that leads me to be constrained in what I can say now. I'm saying what's true, not what adds up against some weird interpretation of what I said to SpaceMouse in PM in some conversation months ago.
  • #69
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:30 AM
  • Migrant
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Taeshi said:

Can you cite a creator involved in a given community enough to literally be on IRC most of the time and able to directly get first-hand fanart from fans?
I'm not Pants, but I remember the DreamKeepers forum with the creator and his partner being very involved. I never went on any IRC channels there, though. If you think BCB has a lot of fancharacters, you should check those guys out, they even charge for comissions and make [very good] drawings of people's fancharacters! It's like, every second person there has one. The creators even supply "canon" material for the RPG games the fans have running on the forum...
As far as I can tell it's a much smaller fanbase there, though.

That said, I agree it must be annoying as hell having random people asking for cameos or art or whatnot. And while everyone has to deal with annoying people on a daily basis (it's a skill you can learn), those people really should STOP.

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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:31 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

Whereas we have people like Kaxbe who do nothing but bitch about how much they hate Larken yet make like a freaken novel about Larken comics. I know he's trying to get out of it, but it's still kind of unnerving because it's like "finish the damn story already" and "shit but if you finish the damn story there will be more comics"


I do not understand this statement. Are you saying that when I finish the story, more people will just make comics of him?
  • #71
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:31 AM

View PostSuitCase, on 08 December 2010 - 01:56 AM, said:

I feel like Toasty only stopped drawing Liam because he's becoming ashamed of BCB

are you saying that if you werent an admin you wouldnt feel ashamed to be here sometimes
also i will ask him about this

View PostSuitCase, on 08 December 2010 - 01:56 AM, said:

View Postwhf, on 07 December 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

Also you must remember, lots of people get their start just doing fan-art. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't drawing sonic fanart and stuff like that help Taeshi develop HER style? Lots of people work on their art skills by using a universe that is already well-defined to develop ideas and practice their art. One day they might feel confident enough to start their own series of sorts, but until then they just want to come up with their own stories in a world that's already constructed instead of making the full effort of creating a fresh new comic.

A good argument, but I think it only applies for early teens and under. A lot of people are making fancharacters yet are adults or older, and this is the stupid part of it all. Not that Veronica is completely representative of everyone, but she started doing good original stories at about age 14, and was still creating characters in their own universes for like 7 years before that. Why can't a mature person do what she did at 7 years?

Thanks bud! :) I don't really think it works like that though.

1. First off, what's "older then an adult"? I doubt any user here is even over the age of 25.

2. People all start drawing and developing ideas at different ages, and it sounds like she started drawing very early. It's like asking why a 60 year old who barely even picks up a pencil can't draw as well as a 20 year old who has been drawing everyday since they COULD pick up a pencil. Everyone gets into it at a different age, and people develop at different paces. Maybe they haven't gotten around to thinking about doing something with the scope of a completely original comic yet, and are just doing these for fun, or maybe they feel they wouldn't be successful at something like that. BCB already has quite a large and devoted fanbase, and when someone makes fan comics or drawings, they already have an audience who are willing to look at it and offer critique or praise, meaning they don't have to work as hard as you both did to get this comic. It's a cheap way, but it's effective as a way to gain experience as a comic artist.

3. And who's to say they're not developing their own ideas? They might not even want to make a full fledged comic or anything, but I'm sure everyone who has drawn had developed at least some original characters and possibly thought about the universe they inhabit, no matter how atrocious and furry they may be.

4. lah dee doop only you can stop bullies
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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:34 AM
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View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

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You get angry when someone makes their characters do their own thing. you get mad when they interact with your characters in a meaningful way, and then go rewarding them. nothing personal tae, but you're extremely, extremely bipolar here.


What the hell do you mean? I mean didn't I just cite that Lisa has Fiona and went off to make Fiona her own thing? That's what Ved is doing with Jack and Suri. I have absolutely no qualms with that, I in fact WELCOME that they're trying to make their characters into something more than just some fancharacter. I always want to encourage people to make their own thing, that's why I badly want Kaxbe to work on Awesome Mediocrity.

I really cannot understand what you mean. I mean characters can interact in meaningful ways, that does not mean they're gonna be included in the comic. People need to get that through their heads. It doesn't matter how much Grass draws Keith being pals with Jasmine, that won't be in the comic. That is more my point.


the issue more here is what exactly determines meaningful ways - i remember from irc talks on the subject you've said that whenever people just make a fancharacter in the world and don't even have them interact with the cast, you get angry. i suppose this is seen as fixed when the person in question moves to their own thing, and out of bcb.
on the other note, to use grass as an example, he's trying to write a meaningful interaction of grass being pals with jasmine. i don't think he's expecting to be included in the comic. i was more referring to your apparent hate of when someone does do a fancomic (like that), that does have meaningful interaction, you also get upset.
i suppose more what i'm going on is that i remember either you or suit going "at least have them interact with the bcb cast", and then now being upset when they do. but i suppose that is just a case of hating all fancharacters than some hypocritical thing.
eh, that wasn't really worded how i wanted, but i can't figure out any other way to say it.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

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your first reaction, and i remember exactly from the skype conversation, was a 'OH NOOOO' running away from the mic, and then coming back and saying "i can put her in the background of this comic i'm drawing". exact. reaction.


Pretty sure my first reaction was on twitter when you were like "You'll be soooo mad at me Toasty made me do it uguu" then I found out on IRC about it and I rolled my eyes but tried to be nice because I know how much shit you would stir if i showed disapproval. You realise half of the time I was bipolar was because I didn't wanna offend you - because frankly you don't take things well. I try to be more tolerant of people I like. I remember Xetchie being all "I have a fanchar :(" and i coulda freaken DESTROYED her but instead got all "Oh he's pretty cute i guess i can see him getting along with abbey :DDD;;;"

my first post to you on the subject was on twitter saying i was sorry in advance, but didn't say anything about what it was i was sorry about.
i posted the fancomic while i was on a skype chat with people, and i linked it in skype. that was the first anyone but toasty had seen melody. and that was your exact reaction. faking running off yelling and then saying you could draw melody in since you needed someone in the background.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

Pretty sure I said I would put her in a background as a joke/just to be nice. Guess I shouldn't have been nice?

well, that's exactly one of the causes of the whole problem to begin with, and what i've said was. i'm going to bold it for emphasis.

as long as you keep rewarding this behavior, it will continue.

you put cameos of fanchars, people will make them because they want to catch your eye / have the rap-shoutout in the chorus as well. they want to see they're loved, too. you make a votey chapter about liam, and people think they can have that happen too.

your two choices on the matter are pretty much these two:
A) Continue.
or
B) Stop.

If this is a huge issue for you, make it a huge issue. If it's a mild annoyance, it'll stay at that level until you do something about it.

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

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also don't really think that what was said to you in private conversations really belongs out here on the forum. i'm kind of upset about that, tbh.


Uhh, where? Pretty sure I've been stating what's been going on on IRC. What I've been citing has been public. I guess your apologising has been private, but you kind of made it public in your initial post? I am confused.

diverted to private chat on irc ...

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

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i have honestly never heard anyone say melody is better than lucy, and i know for a fact i've never made direct comparisons like that.
i am sorry that i have caused such irritation in that regard, and i am fine taking complete responsibility for it.
dear jerks: don't do this please.


It wasn't you, Jerk has said this on multiple occasions. He said that at times in the old thread, I guess he's just trying to praise you but it's pretty.. how I say.. jerkish to do that lol

you could say Jerk was... a Jerk 8-)
  • #73
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:34 AM
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
  • #74
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:38 AM
*nostalgic sigh* Jerk is who he is...hmmm, can't seem to find the the right emoticon...

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  • #75
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:39 AM
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hi im nameless im gonna type "sigh" over the internet so they all know how disgusted i am with all of them and just how above their petty bullshit i am I SURE OWNED THEM

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  • #76
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:40 AM
Something I still don't get Taeshi, why do you complain about furry fans in your fanbase... when you advertise at furaffinity.net
(yes, I am a furry 8-) Deal.
  • #77
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:40 AM
  • Taeshi
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Also Smoothie the only fancharacter I made was Lil Hedgie and that was at the age of 10 and she only existed to be friends with these other stupid fancharacters and they had nothing to do with Sonic. I was stupid and Lil Hedgie died.

The Sonic fancomics I don't feel too bad about (Other than the drama I had with people being all WHY YOU DRAWING CATS DRAW MORE SONIC COMICS) because I never included fancharacters and always wanted to just.. have Sonic interacting with his canon pals. NONE OF DEM FANCHARS >8(

Kekon: Souppy does all the advertisements :(
  • #78
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:41 AM
adult fanfiction too you guys just ask for this shit
  • #79
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:42 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

Kekon: Souppy does all the advertisements :(


8-D
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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:42 AM

View Postwhf, on 08 December 2010 - 02:40 AM, said:


hi im nameless im gonna type "sigh" over the internet so they all know how disgusted i am with all of them and just how above their petty bullshit i am I SURE OWNED THEM

._. That hurt, I was being serious, and I was complimenting Jerk.

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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:43 AM

View PostTaeshi, on 08 December 2010 - 02:41 AM, said:

Kekon: Souppy does all the advertisements :(


8-D
(btw, apollo justice references are always welcome anywhere.)

This post has been edited by kekon: 08 December 2010 - 02:44 AM

  • #82
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:43 AM
  • Taeshi
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SMOOTHIE WHAT PART OF HE DOES THE ADVERTISEMENTS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ;___;
  • #83
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:50 AM
yeah kekon you just make that post twice why dontcha just in case everyone didnt crack up the first time
nameless its true you do it a lot and you DIDNT EVEN GET THAT GIF IN THE QUOTE IT WAS SO GOOD TOO
taeshi i got that he does em but hes also complaining about this and im just saying ads on adultfanfiction arent really solvin shit here if YA FEEL ME
  • #84
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:53 AM
I haven't met someone that has come from AFF just yet.

View Postwhf, on 08 December 2010 - 02:34 AM, said:

Thanks bud! :) I don't really think it works like that though.

1. First off, what's "older then an adult"? I doubt any user here is even over the age of 25.

2. People all start drawing and developing ideas at different ages, and it sounds like she started drawing very early. It's like asking why a 60 year old who barely even picks up a pencil can't draw as well as a 20 year old who has been drawing everyday since they COULD pick up a pencil. Everyone gets into it at a different age, and people develop at different paces. Maybe they haven't gotten around to thinking about doing something with the scope of a completely original comic yet, and are just doing these for fun, or maybe they feel they wouldn't be successful at something like that. BCB already has quite a large and devoted fanbase, and when someone makes fan comics or drawings, they already have an audience who are willing to look at it and offer critique or praise, meaning they don't have to work as hard as you both did to get this comic. It's a cheap way, but it's effective as a way to gain experience as a comic artist.

3. And who's to say they're not developing their own ideas? They might not even want to make a full fledged comic or anything, but I'm sure everyone who has drawn had developed at least some original characters and possibly thought about the universe they inhabit, no matter how atrocious and furry they may be.

OLDER THAN AN ADULT obviously meant 18+ I was just being articulate and well spoken as always

Snooths, I think this is a difference of opinion issue. I find it hard to tolerate the idea of basing all your ideas in someone else's universe beyond a certain age. It's like being an artist who only produces (genuine) fanart. It shows a lack of creativity that should be scorned. You seem to feel like it's okay to take baby steps at first, but I don't see it as excusable. If you have stories to tell, you should be able to tell them without someone else's furry comic framework. Otherwise you need to read some books and get exposure to more pop culture or something and get some inspiration - which I think is inexcusable not to have after going through high school.
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  • 08 December 2010 - 02:55 AM

View Postwhf, on 08 December 2010 - 02:53 AM, said:

yeah kekon you just make that post twice why dontcha just in case everyone didnt crack up the first time
nameless its true you do it a lot and you DIDNT EVEN GET THAT GIF IN THE QUOTE IT WAS SO GOOD TOO
taeshi i got that he does em but hes also complaining about this and im just saying ads on adultfanfiction arent really solvin shit here if YA FEEL ME


I didn't even see it double post :P
  • #86
  • 08 December 2010 - 02:58 AM
i agree that basing all of your work on some other persons work is shitty, but i doubt anyone here is serious about it/ looking to make a profit off this shit so blehhh
  • #87
  • 08 December 2010 - 03:02 AM
  • Migrant
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Also not everyone here aspires to be a professional artist. Some people are just making a few drawings for shits and giggles.

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  • 08 December 2010 - 03:06 AM

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i agree that basing all of your work on some other persons work is shitty, but i doubt anyone here is serious about it/ looking to make a profit off this shit so blehhh

(sorry 4 engrish, this is my interpretation of how fanchars could affect bcb)
but maybe profit isn't the core problem here. i think that its the fear of Veronica is to see the whole BCB world as a public domain. people getting a free platform to start their own adventures, without leaving the BCB world. so, Veronica sees a menace in fan chars, which could transform the bcb original storie and adapt it to these new chars, giving more or less protagonism to other characters. but how this could happen, Vero is the author and decides what is canon and what's not, right? maybe, but if these new chars get popularity, there's a chance for them to become canon, without Veronica's permission. that popularity could be even stronger if its from new readers! with a lot of fan chars lurking, the whole concept of BCB, as i said, it probably would turn into a free fountain of inspiration, and with less and less posibilities to get credit for the original idea.
  • #89
  • 08 December 2010 - 03:17 AM
In my defense and to stay clear my characters are mine they ARE not fan characters of BCB in anyway, i making my own world own plot own setting own story. I was working on my comics before i knew BCB.The only thing is that i was making( or still i making it after reading this i don't know if i should continue it) a crossover of my comic and BCB and use Paulo design for one of my character that about it, i not a wannabee loser that dont have creativity that paint sonic purple and say is a new character

P.S.: The reason i was making the crossover it was to practicing my art skill with the panels background,proportions,color etc....

This post has been edited by Raxki: 08 December 2010 - 03:46 AM

  • #90
  • 08 December 2010 - 03:37 AM
I AM DOWN WIT DIS !

every word here is solid rock.
i can tell you as someone who almost made a fancharacter.

(yes ! ALMOST ! "lisa" dose not count ! no one but vero remebers who she is anyway
and i didn't mean for her to be a fancharcater in the first place.)

when the comic was just starting out,i had thought up a bilsteringly awful charcater.
how dose "natt" the fat,smokeing dalmatian sound to you ?
not too good ? didnt think so.
i never submited it for lil's approvle,cuz soon after makeing him i realized how lame he was.
he was half wish fulffilment,half self insert.
totally didn't fit in with the tone of the comic in general...and... well..
if i was to make my own comic,i would make the main charcater just like this...
(only not a dog.)
but i'm not,so pawining him off on vero-chan is beond pathetic.


all n' all,most of these are lame... even the ones that did make it to be oc...
i mean... tess looks like a fusona of her creator,
getting fucked in the ass has an overly tragic past that is an entire story in an of itself.
an McCain... his creators name is matrix(x) an he is dressed like neo... ?!


but its fun to watch lil rage over this...
since this comic is the kind of thing that just demands FC's and fanfics.
this comic is the kind of relationship centerd thing
that makes people first pair oc with eatch other and start stupid "ship"ing war.
and then with their stupid fancharacters.
only thing is... the guy whe made "avatar the last airbender" dosent have to read this tripe.
liling,on the other hand, has no cvoice but to.
witch leads to waht i like to call:
"lilvomit"

point is... all of you...
if you wantto make bad fancharacter,its your bussines.
but pleas remember this:
your fancharater suck,and by extention,you suck.

(sorry for all bad spelling and grammer.)
  • #91
  • 08 December 2010 - 07:34 AM
While I agree fancharacters are lame, I think they're lame primarily due to reasons #2 and #3. #1 is not a reason why fancharacters suck; people use the real world as a setting all the time, and there's nothing lazier than that, and many books set in the real world are actually quite good (of course, most are utter shit, but that's hardly surprising).

Likewise, #4 is not a real reason. Beyond furry fandom, there's actually a very good reason to use anthropomorphic animals. The truth is that people of all ages have enjoyed anthropomorphic animals in legend and art for centuries, and they appear in folklore and mythology around the world. Using them taps into certain veins and can be quite useful, and making someone literally a fox is likely to give you some ideas about their characterization from the get-go. Moreover, according to Scott McCloud, a character who is more abstract is more easily identified with by the audience; by making a character familiar but distinct from the human norm, you achieve a certain level of abstraction. I suspect this is also why many anthropomorphic characters are more iconic than realistically drawn; in short, the reason why furries are appealing is in part because they are "cartoony".

The real reason fancharacters suck is the same reason they exist in the first place - their creators are incapable of the level of expertise required to make a good character. Basically, if you're making fancharacters, its because you can't make real ones that are any good.
  • #92
  • 08 December 2010 - 07:51 AM
oh ! wait wait !

i forgor one thing !!




NO U !
  • #93
  • 08 December 2010 - 08:06 AM
Well, I will say a few things before going sleeping :D

1st: About the fancharacters, it is impossible to stop it, Tae and SuitCase. Thats because, when you create something liked by a lot of people, they want to became part of it. By writing fanficts, creating music :smirk: , drawing... or creating fancharacters. Yeah, I understand it annoys you to see how people wants those "false" characters be part of the history. But it is unstoppable.

Yeah, you could say "no fancharacters in my website!". And you will not have fancharacters... in your website. They will appear somewhere else. So, you can get annoyed by it, or simply ignore it.

And in second place: Damn, Im so glad to not include any fancharacter of mine in my fanfict 8-)
  • #94
  • 08 December 2010 - 08:47 AM
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I love you Oddguy.

In a platonic way.
  • #95
  • 08 December 2010 - 10:14 AM
I know this may sound stupid, but I seriously don't get it. Why even make fancharacters, I mean, there is a great story going on with well developed characters which is very satisfying, and then you make some lame, unknown, and under-developed character and try to include him in the story via fancomics or fanfiction. I honestly do not see the appeal here because it just seems silly. And yes this is an obvious statement sorry, but I just felt like speaking my mind here.
  • #96
  • 08 December 2010 - 11:22 AM
...Well this is odd.
Kinda glad I decided to write my own story.
Anyways, my opinion.

You can't kill FCs, but you can sure as hell reduce the numbers.
By the time BCB end, most or all FCs will go down with it.
That here is thinking optimistically.

Pro-FCs:
- the main point most people say is that they feel their commitment to the comic and community.

Anti-FCs
- BCB actually does have an abundence of FCs. Even to a point where it could resemble a portion of the Sonic Fandom. And I know what it's like down there.
- Some/Most of the FCs introduced aren't even alive the first couple hours they are introduced. Just clutters up Candybooru.

Is there a solution where everyone can be happy? Boy I hope you haven't been living a sheltered life.
SuitCases's and Taeshi's way to explain (more like venting) is debatable, but neverless they do make their points.

Now to be ignored. :D
  • #97
  • 08 December 2010 - 11:48 AM
I have a solution. Taeshi should go back and edit out all the fan characters from the comic. :O

Awesome thread guys btw. XD I dont really get the whole FC thing, but I guess some people just don't do fan characters. :P
  • #98
  • 08 December 2010 - 01:20 PM
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This topic has grown more than I can bear overnight.
I don't care about fanchars, I don't read many fanstuff, and when I do, even though they are sometimes great, that doesn't compare to the original BCB story, because the original was the one to set the basis for all derivations.

I know as a fact that people don't really want BCB to end. If Taeshi-san is not having fun doing it, we are really close to the end. I don't want that.
I've adopted a anti-fanchars flag now, because of the argument I just made.
I only know the fanchars through the comic. Can't you stop using them altogether? The cameos are cool, but they only please a veeeeeery small part of your BCB fans. To all others, they don't make any difference at all.
  • #99
  • 08 December 2010 - 01:21 PM
So, it came to me in a dream, like most absurd things do, but what is youse guys opinion of fanart in general?
I know that I've thrown up some pretty incomprehensible slag, but like, Raylene's, for example. It doesn't use any shallow or crummy fancharacters, just faceless extras in one panel. The focus is Paulo and Lucy and Yashy. All OCs (do not steal). It's also pretty, but my feelings are not on trial here.
But isn't this also piggybacking off of the established universe instead of making your own, co-opting the views of otherwise BCB-readers, drawing cats for the sake of drawing cats, and so forth? How is fanart different from fancharacters, in your opinion?
I'm terrible at lurking, so maybe somewhere you've already said UGH FANART WOTTA PROBLEM, but if you ehn't said your feelings yet, I'm curious to know them.
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