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is cooler than me

What part of "if you don't have much of merit to post, don't post" didn't you understand? This is not a recess game. Post when you actually have something concrete to say rather than "HURPA DURP DIS AVATAR IS A BIT SILLY!!!" or "HURR HURR THAT PERSON IS FLAWED WITH AWESOME!!!!!!!"

Tvtropes' "Cursed with Awesome" page fits well here

I think the problem is that even if there is someone for whom you write a well-thought-out, insightful, detailed criticism with case-by-case examples and quotes from experts in BCBforumology all in a compelling read that will inspire them to change their ways and become a better person forever...

...you're not going to get the spot below that person. Someone will ninja you first.

(Thus we post what we can with the time we have!)

OT: The "MikexLucy fans genetically engineered to be idiots" thread seemed harsh.

The implication that any scientist, while mixing up a new batch of "idiotic internet whiners" zygotes, would purposefully code them to also favor one webcomic pairing over another... why that is an insult to the scientific community as a whole!

And how does being 'ninja'd suddenly invalidate what you're saying?
Despite being somewhat of a recess game, it's still in social studies, and as such the primary objective should be discussion. If you have criticism about the person above you that you think they should hear, you should say it not caring if you're going to be ninja'd or not.

And by the way, what I don't like about you is that I get this slight arrogant vibe from you.

This post has been edited by Hero: 02 November 2011 - 03:55 PM

@Kritanikam-alamma ding dong:

You know what I don't like about you? You are too nice. And I don't mean that as a compliment. I actually mean that as a negative thing, especially when coupled with your incredibly sarcastic and snarky posts. It's as if several of your posts are designed to make certain people happy and other people incredibly pissed off. And honestly, when you combine this "niceness quantity" with your "sarcasm factor", you come off as incredibly condescending. Your anti-confrontational attitude you seemed to be stouting earlier seemed to match this. "Just send them a PM". "This is just for fun". It's as if you're laughing at the people who wish for this to be a more serious thread.

@Hero:

THANK YOU.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 02 November 2011 - 04:01 PM

Yeah Krit seems like ILB if ILB didn't mean everything he said and didn't come off as holier-than-thou "tsk tsk." Also ILB can take a joke, he just smiles at Jerk and his really offensive posts, and it just seems genuine rather than "ooh why you gotta use such NAUGHTY WORDS, Jerk."

Also just because I don't want people to shitpost doesn't mean that they have to post gold in this thread. People can say what they think, so long as it's more than just a pretty obvious attempt to try and participate even if they don't have much to say. Like "umm i don't know who you are", THEN DON'T POST.

@Kaxbe, now haven't we established a rule against "you are too nice" as an insult?
But seriously, there are far worse insults you could have given me.

"niceness quantity" + "sarcasm factor" is far better than a"harshness quantity" + "sarcasm factor", wouldn't you agree? And so if you see anyone on this forum (not pointing any fingers) who is both mean and sarcastic well lets both be glad I'm not one of them!

I'm not sure where you see condescending in me, though. I apologize profusely whenever I am wrong, and I'd say an anti-confrontational attitude is LESS condescending than the drive to tell other people what is wrong with them that I see in you.


I did not mean to make you "pissed off". I admit I should have done more to try and make amends with you, but I had no idea how to do that because I'm never sure what you're so mad about.

@Taeshi, I was hoping I wouldn't have to bring this up, but

Taeshi, on 28 October 2011 - 04:00 AM, said:

This post has been edited by Kritanakom: 02 November 2011 - 04:16 PM

Kritanikomalinglong is a pretentious dick.

You wound me, dearest pinkie pie.

Seriously though, I hope I haven't made a permanent enemy out of you. Weren't we having a nice discussion about "bronies and how you are most definitely not one because eww"? Can't we go back to those days before an irreconcileable difference about how an internet thread should be run cut our blossoming friendship shorter than Miss Kardashian's wedding?

P.S. So much for your desire for serious discussion, Kaxbe. You've embraced the short, sweet, and unconsctructive poster's mindset. Some would say you've become what you claim to hate!

This post has been edited by Kritanakom: 02 November 2011 - 05:09 PM

If you ever scowled at me for saying inappropriate things, it didn't leave much of an impression obviously since I don't remember it ever having happened. But the fact that you have to leave these long, defensive responses just makes you seem desperate that everyone like you. "Apologize profusely?" "Seriously though, I hope I haven't made a permanent enemy out of you?" Jesus Cunt-Eyed Christ. That's a pretty tangible target for criticism. Not to mention your saccharine tone doesn't really convince anyone that you're taking this playfully and not, say, defensively. It's really just annoying. I can at least say that I've found some happy medium between your desire for verbosity and the economy of words I'd need to articulate exactly what it is that you do that annoys me.

Or maybe I'm just actively trying to find something I don't like about you. I'm guilty of some of those accusations above; so I guess this helped introspectively. Of course, I don't feel particularly passionate about posting in this thread at all. I can't tell whether this is some Recess-style game or a genuine attempt to air out that unspoken hostility between people who don't have the guts to say it outright. What can I say about someone here that haven't said elsewhere? I'd like to think I'm pretty blunt about what I think of you regardless of where we're talking.

Actually, I don't remember ever "scowling" at you. Before this thread I don't think I've ever replied to anything of yours. Not sure where people got that idea. Like I said, I think you're pretty funny

I guess I try too hard when typing, but I didn't think people would mind as long as I'm understandable...

Hate to jump on some bandwagon, KritterKorner, but you do seem pretty pretentious, and I don't think you understood what Jerk said at all. Your chipper attitude seems very fake too, it's annoying. I mean, I hope that doesn't offend anyone, I'm not pointing fingers. If what I said upset you or anyone reading this comment, please PM me for a personal and sincere apology.

To be honest, I think that you rub your talent into other people's faces by redrawing their work many times better. I don'tknow whether this is intentional or not, but it must be fairly offputting to present your greatest works online, with apprehensions of the blowback you'll get from a community best known for how conceited and judgemental it is, and then have a genius come and really burn the wound by showing how crap you are in comparison.

(Actually, I think you're amazing. I was just taking a crack at the roulette wheel.)

Aww man, I really hoped I didn't give off that vibe.

Honestly Sammy, I used to think you were like this hardcore asshole, but that's mostly because when I made my first thread here and got the sarcastic welcome wagon, you were driving. You seem a lot cooler now though, and I probably needed the kickstart into the BCB universe.

I don't believe in telling people how much of a special snowflake they are and how they just need to make effort; if they're blubbering manchildren, then I call them out. Generally, I try and be helpful with criticism, but I do often come across as "the troll".

you can be pretty harsh sometimes, and while you do hand out fair criticisms and seem widely intelligent, you should watch out, so you aren't crossing over from well deserved sarcastic criticism, to general sarcastic harshness.

Tends to bitch about something and is back to normal the next day. Annoying at times but still a good guy.

Bee bee is a great guy, but could use some more courage. Lost a lot of chances with that girl, mate. I guess you're set on your path now, though. It'll come with time.

Sammy, on 02 November 2011 - 09:22 PM, said:

Eh, as long as you're trying to help someone improve at some aspect with genuine advice, sometimes being harsh is the only way to get a point across, especially if they tend to act ignorant of previous attempts to help. The sooner resolved, the better.

Marshmallow's been drawing using lines now, which makes me miss the lineless ones. He's better than me at drawing too. From humans, cats, rabbits, and mechs so I'm jealous.

I don't think I've ever seen Marshmallow flip out. So I can't say anything actually negative about him.

I'm not as fond of your art style as I feel I should be. I think it's mainly because of the facial structure, since the eyes tend to bleed out into parts of the face and look really durpy a lot of the time. There's something not quite right about them, like the placement of the glow in the eyes, sometimes a mild misplacement of the eye glow can cause a serious case of lazy eye, which I tend to occasionally see in your drawings. And it seems to suffer the same habit I used to have with my eye style before I switched to the newer style, in which going the white of the eye bleeds over into other parts of the face. There were times where I would draw the picture, and when I got to colouring, I would realise that I would colour the white part of the eye over a blush mark, for example. Which looked plain wrong.


This drawing for example, the green character, look at how his eye GOES PAST HIS NOSE. His eyes are on his cheek!The tip of your nose is not often aligned with your eye at all. And you're not really sure what the red guy is looking at.


It always reminds me of this, look at how the eyes go past the dot of her nose, and there's that weird glazed dead-looking expression on her face. Not saying you're as bad as she is, but I have admittedly thought of this picture when I sometimes saw your drawings, which is honestly not a good thing!

Also I find it kind of irritating how you go to drawings on Candybooru that obviously could use a lot of work and say really unhelpful stuff like "it's lazy" or "that's bad", you cannot improve with that kind of critique. Lazy how? Bad how? What is there to change? I remember people were dogpiling on one artist at one point, and I instead gave her a giant lecture on how bad her facial structure is, and shock and awe she wasn't offended by what I said, but got defensive at the generalising remarks. You have proven before that you know how to critique, like with Meeleman for example, so it seems kind of odd you then make sweeping statements towards other people and I suppose expect them to be fine with it? Even though it's more of a lazy attack than actual critique?

When I said it was lazily done? I remember saying what was wrong and how she should work with the faces in an earlier drawing already. I didn't think I had to repeat saying everything, but I didn't want to stay quiet. Granted I do have problems with faces too. And uh... I think it was obvious. The pics didn't look like it took more than five minutes to make.

That issue is something I notice a lot in certain cartoon characters, particularly those that don't have a clearly defined facial structure. I still struggle with that from time to time as well, heh. (Interestingly, I find it a lot easier to draw human heads than I would an anthro character, mainly because I'm so used to drawing proportions in human terms.)

You are too fluffy. Stop being so fluffy

If you're gonna use the excuse that the drawings only took five minutes to make, then am I allowed to say the work lazily done and you should spend more time on them? If Silvia is supposedly not allowed to do quick things for fun, why can you? I looked up the pictures that were "too quick" and they actually were an improvement from her previous work, I'm not expecting leaps and bounds but I am seeing some consideration since the last time I spoke to her. You can't really do too much with "take more time." I used to be an artist so quick that taking my time would just confuse me, because I wouldn't know what to do. Just.. draw slower? Some artists really can't grasp that sort of thing. So it's useless criticism. Anyone could "take more time."

http://fc02.devianta...l12-d3kmjh9.png Did this take five minutes? Because it still suffers the same issue as in the eye kind of melts down into the cheek and over the nose.

http://fc06.devianta...l12-d46uuyg.jpg And this one suffers glazed-eyes looking nowhere syndrome, especially on the orange cat. And just looking giant and weird over the face, it just doesn't look like the faces ever have structure other than maybe the angle they look at. The angle of where they're supposed to look is drawn and then.. giant eyes splashed on. Without much consciousness to the placement of the nose and mouth. It seems to be a similar chibi-facial structure that sometimes just looks awkwardly-proportioned, and the facial expression is such an important tool!

Taeshi, on 03 November 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

dam look at that mothafuckas thumb!!!

ps. i understand tae is often prone to spontaneously crying at things one shouldnt cry about also she is too forgiving

In my opinion, a generally unfunny, stubborn asshole.

Takes things too seriously

Ahhhhh. Yes, I thought it over and it is needless to keep saying it's lazily done without saying anything constructive. And I didn't consider the whole process in her point of view at all. But from experience, my old criticism didn't start too well with Meleeman. So I wanted to try a different approach. I think. It'd be better if the artist has a topic in the forum. Then I'd actually feel like she's reading what I type and everyone gets to post reference pics and stuff.

//

Why am I only hearing that I have a problem in drawing faces that way only now? Yes, I'll start working on that, but still. Everyone just kept quiet about it.

i hate how i've seen you around her for a long time, yet i still don't know much about you

You basically ignore people's comments or critiques.

I like the cartoony minimalism of your style, but you could use an upgrade in the detail apartment. What you do now is great for short paneled comics but regular drawings are harder to appreciate like that.

Your humor makes up for it though.

Mousecat: To be kind of blunt, a lot of people here have really low standards for art (In before a joke about myself hurrrpadurrrpdurppp). Admittedly I never came across you to critique you because I felt I was of a low minority and I didn't wanna appear like I was picking a fight or that I had a score to settle with you, also because despite all the WORDS WORDS WORDS I use, I always feel I don't make too much sense when I critique. I think I critiqued your inking style at one point, though?

And just to be extra clear (Because I still feel uneasy about the first thing I said), I'm not saying your work is "low standards", I just mean there are other artists around that people here treat like royalty when they're not very good! And because you're one of the better artists, of course nobody is going to really critique you. Your style is kind of a lot different, so it's hard to really point out what's "wrong" or whatever, but it's at least really distinctive, and even though I have said I'm not as fond of the style as I could be, I recognise there's talent and hope I don't come across that I think it's junk!

And yeah, I can imagine the critique with Meleeman going sour and discouraging you, no you were very good! Some people will just never listen, I mean you don't have to be as morbidly detailed as Meleeman's critique, but yeah. You were doing really well with it!

Snooths: hahahahaha are you still remembering that time I cried because I thought I accidentally posted a question to lesnick and i was scared shitless. I KNOW ;___; cry everyday 24/7

Captainbaconman: Are you ever on skype anymore? You seemed to like.. have disappeared, which is a shame because we have weekly skypes. I do think you were pretty amusing even if you did scream a lot of the time, LET THIS BE MY EXCUSE TO CALL YOU OUT ON MISSING FOREVER

Nervous train-wreck who didn't have the compassion to say something she hated about me even when posting after me and instead carries on criticisms of other people.

You're not important enough to hate.

Bourbon, on 04 November 2011 - 05:42 AM, said:

Makes me swell up in anger and then break down and cry in the corner for awhile....

If I had a job where I carved up animals on a daily basis, I'd have more fun with it what with animals not having souls and all.

Meowth, on 03 November 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:

man, i thought we were cool for a bit. what happened? can you provide any elaboration or anything? i agree with 2/3 of that but i want to know how you came to that conclusion

also i used to be sort of annoyed how jerk would derail threads on the old forum but i dont feel that way anymore. i love jerk.

Gnukko, on 04 November 2011 - 12:23 AM, said:

actually, if you haven't known already, thing's have changed.

i hate how neutral i am towards you.

Ace: OKAY I WILL GO

You give off this vibe that you're some sort of irritated robot who gets fed up by shenanigans and it makes me feel worried as hell because if you imply boredom or indifference in a chat I'm like OH GOD DO YOU HATE ME, like I keep thinking I got you angry somewhere along the line, though I think it's more you occasionally make passive aggressive remarks towards Souppy so I figure you hate him and the track record of my life indicates that if people have a problem with souppy then they have a problem with me and it scares and worries me YOU KNOW

though this shows more of a problem with me than with you, but I figure I irritate you by being emotional and because you're like an objectivist Borg you find it annoying and I don't wanna be annoying and that's the scoop yo

PS I remember once thinking of you a that guy who wouldn't stop licking Starberry's vagina, but that's dated and old and I think that was the only genuine problem I had with you and I still feed bad I snapped at you before for that THOUGH YOU WERE KIND OF OBSESSED HA

While I'm at it:

Bourbon: I dislike you. Your initial post on the forums gave me a really bad impression of you that I hope goes away over time like it has with plenty of other bad impressions. You're the kind of person I recognize and admire as an artist, but have trouble liking as a person. You can be obnoxious a lot of the time and come across as passive aggressive, there's been multiple times you've said weird things that just seem antagonist for no reason. Like you're trying to be Jerk but we know Jerk is fun-loving and funny so you just come across like an actual jerk.

Pretty ace jack of all trades though.

Snooths: I find it weird you seem to act clearly offended when people misjudge you/misremember you/ or label you as "the troll". It's correct to say if people talk to you more and get to know you they will think differently, but only by so much. You're a really nice guy who can be sensitive and needs to get over a lot of confidence issues, but it's annoying how secretive you can be and then diminish the idea that someone might care about you just because you're on the Internet. I think it's a destructive mindset to have, since you really do seen to want approval from people, but you refuse to talk to people and get really angry at yourself when you open up. I can understand your irritation, I dislike attention whores who whine and whine and whine about everything, but I think if you're worried about being that way you got a lot to go to be that way. 

I just hope you can get into your head that it's fine having friends on the Internet and that it could be just as meaningful as RL tm

It_amazil: until your artwork starts making vast improvements, gnukko is more than valid to say that. You really have trouble taking critique, and make excuses. It's hard to spend time creating critique when it will just be tossed against the wall with "WELL I SEE BUUUTTT" etc

That was long.

I just think you care a little "too" much about what people say. It's not always good to listen to others all the time since sometimes they are only doing it to be mean, but you listen anyway and get all sad.

It's not healthy really, and nobody like it when mom is sad.

Taeshi, on 04 November 2011 - 07:26 AM, said:

i find it more amusing than anything
the rest is pretty true probably

i dont know level 50 fighter well enough to have an actually meaningful opinion about him, and i was just responding to tae so whoevers below me you should do him

Lvl50: Personaly, I dont really have a problem with you, so this comment is more towards your idea you were talking about last night. The idea of you and some friends doing some stupid vids on the internet could be actually be prety funny, but honestly you are pretty much gonna be doing idiotic things in a sea of idiots. It will then become a challenge to find something that will make your stuff stand out above the others, and that could take a very dangerous turn. Doings stupid things is alright, but doing stupid things that will get you hurt or worse is another story altogether. Just leave that to the people who do that kind of stuff for a living and entertainment on tv and in movies. You probably were never gonna take it this far in the first place, so hopefully the dangerous stuff wont happen, but this is a thing to consider. No need to get yourself hurt for the internet. Just my two cents.

Awww, everyone always thinks I'm an asshole...

Beach, I am not a fan of your sweating in the sun, you'll spoil. That umbrella is doing nothing to impede that.

I don't like how all of a sudden you've switched from seriously telling someone what you don't like about them to making a statement that wasn't all that humorous.

also taeshi ugghhhhhhgh why did you have to post that picture ;;

whf, on 04 November 2011 - 06:28 AM, said:

We were cool for the longest time, but honestly, I just got tired of talking to you. Sorry if that sounds harsh; I'm just being honest. Let me explain.

You're unfunny, because, well, I got sick of your humor. It appears to me to be repetitive, immature, unclever, and often blatant trolling. I'm not saying everything you say needs to be gold, but when you carry yourself and give off such an aura of self-confidence (in a very ironic way), I'm expecting more then just 'ur mom,' or 'oh man bounce krew up in dis shit gona be takin over.' By the way, I don't know if you thought this, but closing yourself off from the world and showing self-esteem issues does not in anyway entitle you too act the way you do. Maybe I am wrong to assume that is the case, but I felt like I should add this.

As for you being stubborn, I got sick of you pushing your opinions so strongly, and without good reason. Everyone has done it at some point, including me, but when you do it as chronically as you, things get old. Talking about music with you became a chore, because it seemed majority of the time we disagreed you were difficult, did not understand that your opinion is not fact and there are people out there with different ones, and at times didn't even seem to listen. I can also assure you that this isn't being said because I'm mad you don't automatically side with me; I am saying this because it seemed that when we didn't agree, you would not even accept what I had to say as being valid. The best example of this would be when we talked about Slayer and when they covered the song "Guilty of Being White." You seemed to be in your own little world.

As for being an asshole: you're often needlessly rude and, contrary to what you say, you seem to troll a lot as well. I should clarify that when I say 'asshole,' I don't mean you're a bad person. You, unlike certain others out there, actually do know how to control yourself when things become serious, but most people are like that too. When things do, in fact, become serious, they will either try to help or bow out of the conversation - with certain exceptions. The problem is that knowing when to calm down is something everyone needs to know, but actually making an effort not to be a complete dick - even when things aren't serious - is a discipline. I have been called oversensitive, a whiteknight, self-righteous, and I'm sure a plethora of other related things. They're excuses. If you want, you can make all the excuses you want and you can call me the same things, but in the end is boils down to your ability to control yourself. I could also be called a hypocrite too because I've been needlessly been mean myself, but the difference is I actually try not to be.

And once again, sorry if this sounds harsh, but this is just the way I feel about things.

I find it kind of annoying that we've had I-don't-know-how-many conversations about all sorts of dirty things and you still seem to I'm this "pure, clean innocent."

@SmashGenesis: I think you are still sort of wishy-washy and not incredibly interesting IMO, but I don't dislike you, and you've gotten better as of late, so good for you!!! I'm glad you and Starwatcher don't talk about your days as much.

@Meowth: At the moment I don't really have the willpower to respond to all that and I don't think I care enough about your opinion of me to explain myself and attempt to justify what I do to you in hopes you'll suddenly turn around and say "Oh OK (smiley chirpy.gif).", but I dunno, maybe I'll be inclined to later. If this discussion were to continue though, it would be better if it were through PM or something, as continuing some particular internet bullshit drama discussion between 2 people in a thread which is about general internet bullshit drama discussion between everyone, seems like it would be annoying to other users. I just kind of wanted to know what made YOU dislike me, and if it was some particular incident. I will say a few things though:

1. Honestly, I think you generalize a lot. You back up some of what you say pretty well, but you make a lot of really broad statements and assumptions. You make some reasonable observations but I think you're too confident in what you say regarding my intentions behind what I do, and how I act overall, based on what you've seen as of late. Also worth noting that being tired of something is more your problem than the thing you're criticizing. Someone could eat kiwis until they pass out and just the idea of a kiwi could make them stress-vomit, but that's not to say kiwis are a bad food. You back up what you say after you claim to be "sick of something", but I just want to note that saying that is a little silly. You also don't really elaborate on why exactly I'm an asshole, you just sort of start trying to cover your own ass in case I decide to make a similar claim, which I won't so DON'T WORRY OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think you're an asshole or any of those things, (except over-sensitive and maybeee white-knighting a bit but I think that's just a product of your over-sensitivity) and I don't hate you or anything.

2.

Meowth, on 04 November 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

lol

warning- next bit is for meowth only: no one else cares or knows anything about this i think

Despite not really wanting to invest with your opinions of me for the moment, I'd like to respond to your bringing up of the Minor Threat/ Slayer debate, because that's something I actually care about.

I thought I was pretty reasonable, I don't know what on earth you're talking about with "being in my own little world". I said that stereotypes about metal were silly and unreasonable but that cover was sort of tasteless. I backed up everything I said and I don't know where you thought I disregarded what you were saying, but it felt like you just thought I was outright attacking metal and making broad claims about the genre, which I really wasn't. You being a lover of the genre (something I am as well) seemed to get incredibly defensive and, in turn, throw out incredibly specific reasons trying to constantly defend this thing I wasn't interested in attacking.

Slayer are a metal band, and metal is known for having more right-wing fans than punk. Slayer covered a song that was often misinterpreted as being racist and a song which inspired a lot of racist skinheads in the 80's, but was actually speaking out against racism. The songwriter had been subjected being bullied in an all black neighborhood due to the fact he was white, and was an angry teenager writing about his own experience and just venting frustration, never expecting it to be taken from there. This song was quite controversial within the punk community and the band's fans, and Slayer not only covered it, they changed a lyric to make it even more self-righteous than it was before. These are facts. This doesn't mean that there aren't racist punks, and this doesn't mean everyone remotely involved in metal is racist. Those are fucking ridiculous claims. I'm saying that Slayer's choice to cover the song was slightly tasteless, and it was seen as such by many people, including the person who wrote the fucking song. I'm not interested in attacking metal, or attacking Slayer as I love both, but it's just kind of something that makes me go "come on now guys." I really don't see how any of this is me being in my own little world, you just seem to have misinterpreted what I said and been annoyed with me.

Sorry you find debating in a non-malicious manner a chore, but I think that conversing with people about a subject you both care about but hold different views on in order to better understand each other's thinking, is a pretty basic idea and one that yields a lot of interesting results! I have opinions, and you have opinions, and we both feel strongly, so why not?

I apologize for this last part being irrelevant to the thread, so if you feel the need to continue this conversation Meowth, shoot me a PM!

This post has been edited by whf: 04 November 2011 - 11:58 PM

I dislike very Snooths very much because he has offended me by saying that Star and I don't talk about our days anymore. WE JUST DO IT OVER OUR TELEPATHIC LINK THAT WE FORMED VIA BUTTSEX YEESH IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED

But yeah, I don't really like or dislike you either.

This post has been edited by Smash Genesis: 05 November 2011 - 12:13 AM