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Don't try to twist the word pro-life, because it doesn't work. Having a stance against abortion is what defines pro-life, and there's no alternative to that definition.

headacher, on 09 November 2011 - 04:26 PM, said:

It's just Taeshi, not the patron Goddess of cartoon animals . By the way, if you really are 14, I commend you for speaking up on a subject like this. It shows you are unashamed to add your point of view on something most people your age couldn't give a flying hotdog about.

Just don't let what taeshi says make feel like a celebrity is pickin' on you.

He's 14. No big deal. There are worse things to be (like wrong).

pro-life is a phrase it can be used however any one pleases that's like saying that people against abortion legally own the phrase. Which cant happen

moozers, on 09 November 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

Thats fine. Just know your definition of pro-life is not what the rest of the population defines it as, so be preappled to confuse people.

moozers, on 09 November 2011 - 05:05 PM, said:

You're a moron. First of all, pro-life isn't a phrase; second of all, it's a matter of semantics and not a matter of however anyone uses it like they please. Using your stupid logic, you might as well call all dogs cats, but nobody will care, because in all the books, definitions, television programs, etc, the cats have been called cats, and dogs dogs, and that's why semantics is objective (but they can be changed with subjective unanimity)

This post has been edited by Seppucrow: 10 November 2011 - 02:10 AM

headacher, on 09 November 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:

That's fine that you're pro-life. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. My only problem with people making such stances is that they're misinformed. Just to play devil's advocate, everything you've said can be said the same way for general pregnancy, which has also been mentioned earlier in this post. I am all for taking responsibility, but let's face it, the world is a bitch and things will happen regardless of how much caution you take. The most anyone can do is be as responsible as they can be, but NO METHOD short of chopping off your testicles or tearing out your uterus is a 100%-baby-proof method (except for the obvious of not having sex, but for the sake of this post I'm discussing people who are having sex). I know people who have conceived even though they got their tubes tied or got a vasectomy. Why should they be forced to carry a child they obviously made plans to not have? And although there's a smaller percentage of those who are raped or face pregnancy complications, should they be forced to go through the pregnancy? Even more extreme, there's even cases of CHILDREN as young as five year's old (or eight, I forget) who, for one reason or another, matured rather early and were raped. Their bodies THINK it's ready for pregnancy, but their overall body and frame is obviously not meant for it just yet. Even though these scenarios are rare, I still think they're aspects of the issue that people should look at. I'm not here to tell you to change your mind, but only to consider those circumstances as well. If you are against abortion no matter the circumstances, that's great that you care that much about human life. I personally can't call myself pro-life even if I would refuse to have an abortion. We can only go so far as to dictate how we should allow people to treat their own bodies. I believe no one is absolutely right or wrong.

One big issue I have that I didn't mention earlier was also the process of in vitro fertilization. Many people who are pro life believe that life begins at the moment of conception. As such, they are against the idea of in vitro fertilization. However, I know people who have had fertility complications and conceived a child through IV. Why take that away from parents? Then I also hear the argument of adoption, and that those parents should only be allowed to adopt. Why, if they have the potential to have children using their eggs/sperm, should they be only given the option to adopt? And a lot of the time, many pro lifers I know DON'T have adopted children at all. They only have their own, biological children - which is fine and all, but makes for a weak argument if you bring up adoption. "Oh, you should adopt if you can't have kids, we both have the potential to have them but the difference is that I can actually conceive naturally. IV is wrong and is just like abortion." Then there's also mention in my previous post, where I said that some people fight for the legal ban of birth control, including but not limited to the pill, patch, IUD, emergency contraceptives, etc - people find these methods of abortion as well.


In an ideal world, there wouldn't be propaganda like the video in the original post - I would like to see completely, unbiased documentaries that present statistics and facts. Of course nothing perfect, so we all have to deal with what we can, and if possible, take the responsibility to educate ourselves as much as we can about those issues. I just don't believe ANYTHING in this world is black or white, and that we shouldn't approach issues as if they were.

I don't think Rex sounds uninformed...

In fact reading his posts gives the impression of a person who's considered several viewpoints.
Maybe he made a post in the past from which everyone is getting their opinion of him, but I don't see it.

Whoops, I made it sound so bad in my post; I'm speaking generally, and not specifically targeting anyone. I'm not saying that those who are against abortion are misinformed, but that I have an issue when you make statements that makes you sound like you are. For example, saying that people who decide to have an abortion will face serious complications, whether medical or whatever. If you take a stance on something, it's really difficult to have a discussion when you make claims to pass off as fact. Anyone can be misinformed, no matter what side of the issue you're on.

This post has been edited by Aika: 09 November 2011 - 07:44 PM

No I'm pretty sure the people who are against abortions are misinformed.

Hi #name and matty.

I realise that my veiw is compleatly unatainable. The only human thing to do is to let people self-impose the things that are best fo them. The current situation of 95% mis-using is the horrid result.

Meleeman, on 09 November 2011 - 04:44 AM, said:

Oh, TOTALY different section of the argument.
The simple version of my opinion, either the fetus is a human organism and the sperm is a human organism and the fetus that will later generate the sperm is a human organism and so on until the first human cell is reached and we are all one organism and murder is just amputation, a horridly painful prosses that should be avoided when unessisary, or the fetus in not a human and every stage of human development is a different creature. ie: every cell in your body is new and in a different configuration from 20 years ago so you are not the same.

Migrant, on 09 November 2011 - 05:50 AM, said:

Ok, first, many people dissagree with what you are telling me. Second, "not harmful" was a bit to far on my part.I kind of mispoke because I was taking into account that we are compairing things to childbirth which is also harmful to a compairable degree. Though, as I said, the pain part can be delt with. My point was that goverment has stuck it's nose is some odd places before, not that people should or should not do drugs.
While we are at it, alcohol mimics the brain molicules for happyness so that when you drink you end up fealing happyness for no reason. "brain molicules" means as little as "chemicals"

matty_batty0, on 09 November 2011 - 05:33 AM, said:

YES, someone broke the adoption solution! I have never heard such an opinion before. Let the new argument COMMENCE. If you are going to say that hormonal inbalance and instinct is a medical problem, you are implying a whole bunch of things, you realise. You are saying that human will is by nature, self destructive and irrelevant(irrelevant through it's chemical basis, self destructive through the lack of reason. If this is the case, the law has free moral rein to regulate everything and the responcability to do so. Respond.

Also, 14 year old's fucking at all is a compleatly different topic and yet I STILL already covered it. 14 year olds have a high helth risk. Get that shit out of here.

This post has been edited by Craft aids: 09 November 2011 - 07:59 PM

Kritanakom, on 09 November 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

No sir. This is my first time getting yelled at here

This post has been edited by Rex: 09 November 2011 - 07:59 PM

Aika, on 09 November 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

That's funny. You're funny.

I say that, If you can afford the baby and really want to a spawn, go ahead. But if you can't afford, don't do it. If you accidentally get pregnant (rape, contraceptive fails, etc,etc) and don't have the money or time to support a baby, go ahead and get an abortion. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it also isn't a bad thing.

TL;DR My mom worked at an abortion clinic for a few Saturdays to help young women past protestors to the inside, and I learned a lot about Abortion and developed an opinion around that time.

Did she start that before or after you were born?

I agree with that. If you want a baby and have the ability to take care of one and fully take care of all it's needs; then yes, by all means have a child. If you're raped or your contraception prevention method fails then I think you're within your right to have an abortion. And if you can't take care of the baby and don't have the means to raise the baby in a stable and loving environment I don't think a person should bring a life into the world. While most people say a woman who runs around and is easy should be punished for her lifestyle and forced to keep the baby I fully believe that is wrong. That's also punishing the unborn baby. Better for the life to be terminated before it becomes aware than to have it grow up in a broken home with a mother who resents the child and views it as a punishment.

Comes from experience. My mother hated me and wanted to abort me. My grandmother stopped her. While I am immensely grateful to my grandmother for giving me a life and raising me in a comfortable and stable home, I was rather saddened that my mother never wanted anything to do with me and considered me a burden. Especially since she went on to have my sister who she dearly loves. Even then, my grandmother eventually came to resent me for having her waste the remainder of her life raising yet another child when she had already raised 5 of her own children and my cousin. It's hard knowing that your mother hates you, your father abandoned you long before you were born and that your only other parental figure eventually grew to resent you. Would I rather have been aborted? Well no, this me, the one typing currently, rather enjoys life. Of course the me alive today doesn't want to cease to exist. But had I been aborted? I would not have cared, because I would not have known. As I am aware of life now, of course I want to live, but had I not been aware, how would I have known any better?

Overall I believe abortion is a choice. It impacts the mother and the future child; not the cells that do not have a will to live yet.

Aaaaa I'm sorry about your mother and grandmother ;____; Do you have any parental figures that are nice to you because you seem like such a nice person and that sounds like such a terrible way to be aaaa

Most of my relatives come from broken homes themselves. Single parents, divorced parents, favored children and what not. It's not like I was just immensely hated. My whole family is like that to one another. Most of them all hate each other and everyone has been divorced at least 3 times. The only good that came out of it was it motivated me to work hard and appreciate the people around me.

I moved out of state when I turned 18. Currently attending a great college with my boyfriend whom I live with. His parents adore me. So I have them as a sort of parental figure. I have a great job and a decent little apartment to call my own. My boyfriend and I rarely (If ever.) fight with one another and when we do it's usually done with very quickly.

Overall, my life has a happy ending. Or happy midway. I don't really know what to call it since I'm still pretty young in age and I hope I don't get hit by a truck or something anytime soon.

Jerk, on 12 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

Actually, it ended around 3 months ago. started about 5 months ago.

I've actually read part of a book named Freakonomics, it said in there that abortion has lead to a decrease in violent crimes.

It's a really good book it talks a lot about the economy and links together things that you normally would not have connected together and I highly encourage that you read it. :-)

But... I've read Freakonomics... and there's actually very little about economy in it? Also, those two parameters don't even correlate well, let alone one causing the other.

hmm *edit* But wait I wasn't talking to you specifically, I was just saying to those who haven't read it, and I probably should have stated that earlier.

Hmm maybe I should rethink what I.. think about this huh?

This post has been edited by JjinttaSet: 13 November 2011 - 02:35 AM

No! Not really! You're right in thinking people should stop being so stupid about abortion!! You're just wrong in thinking that abortion would cause a decrease in crime!! There are many other variables that could explain why crime is lower in places where abortions are less villified by the public! Correlation does not imply causation!

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 13 November 2011 - 06:30 AM

Kaxbe talks in exclamation points! All the time!

I would support abortion ONLY IF extreme complications were made known before the child's birth. Other than that, I would rarely condone such barbarism. To me, it would be best not to let a child suffer through some hellish condition that it might not even survive.

This post has been edited by Giygas: 13 November 2011 - 08:17 AM

somewhat relevant and probably posted already but I'm too lazy to check