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paulpopebatman, on 28 November 2011 - 05:52 AM, said:

You've clearly never heard the saying "have a cat in hell's chance".

This post has been edited by Sparkfur: 28 November 2011 - 06:28 AM

Sparkfur, on 28 November 2011 - 06:17 AM, said:

I sure as hell have not. But it's appropriate for this situation.

SpaceMouse, on 28 November 2011 - 03:59 AM, said:

Oh right. Also Lucy x Dumpster

Ace, on 28 November 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:

That train left the station after the second trimester.

Hey, when you chop up the body to fit in the garbage bag, it's like getting multiple baby sized pieces!

Ok first why is everyone calling Mike a jerk? Have you READ the comic? Cause Lucy is totally the jerk here or is this the usual guy vs girl thing? girl = innocent victim guy = evil perpetrator. I dunno about you all but I understand Mike cause he's like me. Though i sure as hell didn't have a gf in kindergarten and wasn't popular or anything and like lucy i was bullied BUT i did make friends and all that. Being bullied sucks but i learned something PEOPLE SUCK. i gave chances to many people only to still be treated like a toy you play with then throw away when you get tired of it. So i don't give people second chances, i dunno who came up with that "hitting your crush = lovey lovey time" or whatever but i never knew that and well.. fought people...yes girls if they had crushes on me well yeah not anymore. I can't STAND being around someone I hate for 5 minutes the tension is very apparent with "ignoring, no eye contact, little communication and NEVER staying in close contact with you or being alone with you". throughout the comic you can see mike's face when Lucy calls him names and hit him and ect. the MikexLucy thing was always just off to me when i saw it. Mike like me likes to keep his inner thoughts/emotions to himself and in the comic he states to someone he felt like he was obligated to stay with Lucy he NEVER considered her a friend he felt sorry for her and felt guilty treating her like Sandy when she wasn't and leaving her alone with NO FRIENDS would be messed up and stayed with her all this time to well redeem himself. He felt this way probably all the time probably putting it off LYINGto himself.

You know kids do that right? You hate someone's guts but you think "no,no i like them." Probably after being with her for so long developed feelings and whatnot but probably mostly just false emotions he put on her because of the loose of Sandy like in that comic page posted before as an example. I dunno HOW the hell Mike lasted so long doing that but he felt obligated to be with her so yeah that's the only reason he probably stayed with her. That outburst in class hell i did stuff like that before oh how i'd of like to burst out like that and scream at an enemy but thank god i never was CONSTANTLY paired with them in group projects.killed me every time. Mike pushed off his hateful emotions toward Lucky who he treat well most of the time(i forget when he was not all that great) only for her to be all "*punch* Haha your so gay!" almost CONSTATLYI would of beaten her to a bloody pulp a long time ago with all that. But he felt to guilty and stayed with her. Lucy treats him like trash and if she REALLY likes him she's screwed up in the head, which is apparent in all the comics or whatever i'm not sure. She is suppose to like mike but ALWAYS makes fun of him and his emotions and how he acts and how "gay" he is and if you understand how the person you like is WHY make them miserable? WHY? You like them right? If anything YOU'D make a fool of yourself then making them feel horrible, unless your a bully. She is clearly in denial she probably unconsciously knew Mike was only being with her as a matter of guilt and did all that constant bulling so he'd feel even MORE obligated to stay around so she won't break down and go off and kill herself.

i'm sure in this chapter your all "BUT THEY HAD SOME FUN TIMES TOGETHER JUST NOW!" yeah sure of course if your around someone long enough your gonna have a moment or two of fun. They've been together for years and putting off there bitter emotions and thoughts and just went and had fun together. That's a darn volcano ITCHING to burst. Mike reconnected with Sandy and all the emotions and thoughts he put off or forgotten and whatnot about Lucy re-emerged and ticked him off even more. Lucy even though Mike tried to break off ties with her was still in denial try to re-connect there messed up relationship. I agree that SandyxMike probably won't last but you never know and MikexLucy will never happen unless she recognized all the wrongs she's done and fix herself cause how she is now is not good for ANYONE for whatever relationship she wants with Mike or anyone else she wants. She needs help and if she does and becomes a better person(or just alot less crazy-messed-up girl) Mike would probably be friends with her again or who knows what.

Mike is a nice guy that just feels way to guilty for how he treated Lucy in kindergarten he never got over it i feel guilty about things from YEARS ago and don't think saying "sorry" would be enough. Mike's been bullied emotionally for YEARS(10?) by Lucy and for once when he FINALLY tells her he doesn't want to be her bodyguard (trying not to hurt her feelings to much because he doesn't want to make her more sad and feel even more guilty because he's a nice guy) ya'll call him a "jerk" with how Lucy has treated him over the years being the"jerk" she was and is that no bodyguard/friend thing makes him a total dick. Then its safe to say Bullies are the innocent victim and all the kids being bullied are aholes. He just now told her how he really feels and i suppose now he's a d-bag. i'm sorry mike it seems it'd of been better if you offed yourself in kindergarten and maybe things would of been better off...then Lucy would of probably of killed herself and there'd be no BCB so yeah that'd ruin everything. so yeah that's my opinion in all this >_>

I could tell you why we call Mike a jerk, but it would end up as a pointless war of words with neither being the victor.

So here's Amaya:

This post has been edited by Lunariaus: 28 November 2011 - 12:01 PM

After rereading through BCB, I don't think Mike and Lucy deserve to be together. I can relate to Lucy in so many ways. I mean, it was sad to read that Mike "ignored" her(not on purpose)while Sandy was in school with him. I can relate! It's a very hurtful thing to be forgotten by a friend. But she's so abusive to Mike. Being so untrusting and insecure is tough but she never laid off... and it wasn't fair. I was hoping she'd crack and change her ways the entire time I read through this. Also blabbing her problems with Mike to her friends was also unfair. Friends will always try to be protective, and they choose sides. Mike endured so much for Lucy. While she does love him, she is far too immature to ever give him the love he needed. As much as I love LucyXPaulo, I think she needs to spend some time with Augustus to set her straight.

I am on Yashy's side, Hell yes! From the latest comic I have seen, Sandy looks overly worried like a Third-grader. As if she doesn't know that the man usually protects the family of people.

BK_1, on 28 November 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Can we get the abridged version?

This post has been edited by Moosack: 01 December 2011 - 03:01 PM

Dear god no..

If you keep bumping old topics with a useless post, you will get special ed, buttered toast.

okay I am just going to say this,

Lucy would be an idiot to go back to Mike

Considering he doesn't even want to know her and she (HOLY FUCKING SHIT) is giving him space, I'd consider this a non-issue until Taeshi expands upon that glimmer of character development we saw.

i think they would be a good couple itz obvious they lik each other and mik should just give up on sandy cuz im pretty sure she already got laid

Sandy did not already get laid. She's still a virgin.

Uwah... My habit in general is to not ship the leads together... (Paulo/Lucy is my current fave.) Mike is acting like a jerk. Yes. Granted, Lucy has some issues with the violence tendencies, but she is a believable character. Everyone has their quirks. So, I guess I mean to say is, while in the end the two are probably gonna get together (and even be cute together), I don't really like the idea of the two of them together.

I punched my girlfriend in the mouth. I'm just quirky like that.

Jerk, on 05 February 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Damn those double standards!

I kicked this kid's crutches away the other day. I'm just quirky like that.

*puts thinking cap on*

I'm not saying this is right, but...

I think a lot of these posts take for granted what the comic tells us. Lucy's been a bitch all these years, Mike's gotten sick of it, and their relationship slowly detoriat--detoriora---- breaks apart. good, okay.

see, we've already seen Lucy's side. A lot. Much of the later chapters are focused around her dealing with her rejection.

But we haven't seen Mike's side. I mean, there aren't a lot of chapters where he honestly confides in someone. There were the few times that he ranted to Lucy and a few other characters about how much he hated her. I think that after Lucy confesses, Mike feels a tugging; but he's already so bound to Sandy that he feels guilty, and purposely tries to distance himself from her, albeit by being a jerk(face).

sorry if I'm just screwing an old thread

No, this is exactly how one should necromance an old thread: with a thoughtful, well-written post that significantly contributes to the topic of the thread.

(For reference to Mike and Lucy's early history, it's worth rereading "The First Meeting", "First Interaction" and "Development of Friendship" in the extras section, followed by "Left Behind" and "Unfulfilled Fantasy" in the main archives.)

Let's go back to the start, shall we? In preschool, Lucy didn't fit in with any of the other kids. She never wanted to do any girl stuff, yet the guys rejected her because she wasn't a boy. So when Lucy first met Mike, she instigated a rivalry with him because he was a boy and she wanted to prove she was better than him. Yet at the same time, Lucy liked Mike because he didn't expect her to be all girly. Mike was the only one back then who accepted Lucy, and that was the beginning of Lucy clinging to him and following him around. For a long time, Mike was the only guy friend that Lucy ever considered. And all during this time, she was competitive with him, punching him and calling him a jerkface and trying to beat him at games.

Then came third grade, where Mike virtually ignored Lucy in favour of Sandy. It's hard to fault him for spending so much time with Sandy though, since she was actually nice to him in a way Lucy never was. Despite this, Lucy still hung around nearby, and Sandy often invited her to join in their activities. However, it always ended up that Mike focused his attention on Sandy, so that Lucy was left all alone once again. That was partially assuaged by finding the egg Yashy was born from. Yet once Sandy moved away, Lucy went right back to Mike. And Mike let her, since he felt kind of bad that he'd ignored Lucy the whole year.

At first Mike and Sandy wrote to each other frequently, but as time passed, the letters became less frequent. Lucy was always around though, and Mike grew closer to her and began to develop feelings for her. In seventh grade, Mike first kissed Lucy, but she pushed him away because she wasn't ready to get close to anyone romantically just yet. Then at the end of "Confrontation", Lucy kissed Mike, but told him not to think more of it. In a way, Lucy was toying with Mike's feelings, giving him hope for a relationship, and yet keeping her distance from him. And when Lucy did finally confess her love to Mike? It was too late, because he'd already committed to Sandy, a fact which Lucy knew perfectly well. And in point of fact, it was Lucy who got Mike to realize Sandy was his girlfriend. So when she confessed to Mike, really, what could he do?

That was when Mike began getting tired of Lucy's behaviour, of her clinging and dependence and yet pushing him away all the time. Then later when Abbey talked about bullying, Mike realized (panels 2 and 3) that was what Lucy had been doing to him all along, with the abuse she'd been heaping on him for years. And he'd borne it all along because he was the only one Lucy chose to be close to. All this time, he'd been Lucy's pillar of support/punching bag. That was the point where he decided to ignore/avoid Lucy as much as possible, so as to get away from her and force her to become less dependent on him. Note how Mike got annoyed when he thought Lucy was trying to cling to Augustus instead, and then again when Lucy clung to him once more in her delirium.

Now Mike is definitely a quieter guy and not one to share his problems with other people (and especially not Lucy). The few times we see Mike actually confiding in someone are with Sandy. Mike didn't really want to burden his long-distance girlfriend with his problems, but Sandy was genuinely concerned for Mike, and she helped convince him that he shouldn't be around Lucy if she was hitting him so much. Abbey's rant about bullying was just the final catalyst for that decision.

So there it is: Mike has now broken ties with Lucy, because she never was that much of a friend to him. He was always supporting her, but what did she really give him in return as a true friend? Friendship is all about giving and taking, but in this case it was Lucy doing all the taking. Lucy basically abused their friendship, and Mike finally had enough of that. He pushed her away for once, and who can blame him for that? His actions are entirely understandable in context, since Lucy was always alternately punching him and clinging to him emotionally. Such abuse should never be acceptable, which is why I tend to favour Mike over Lucy on this whole thing. Both of them have lessons to learn, but Lucy more so than Mike.

Yet I do have some sympathy for Lucy; perhaps everything would have been different from the start if she'd been born a boy. At least then she would've been accepted by the other boys, and wouldn't have become so dependent on one single person. In retrospect, it's kinda too bad that Lucy's mom reinforced the gender divide by giving her a pink bow to wear.

And it could be argued that Paulo's right and Mike is a total pansy, just for not having stood up to Lucy even once during all this time. Indeed, if Mike had told Lucy from the start how she was hurting him and asked her to stop, then they might have been better friends afterwards. And with a solid friendship as a base, they might even now be in a relationship. Of course, that didn't turn out to be the case; even Mike admitted he was a total pushover back then.

Yet even someone as laid-back as Mike has a boiling point, and in "December" he reached it. He ran out of patience with Lucy and outright told her he hated her. That was the one thing guaranteed to make her leave him alone. And in truth, Mike has cause to be bitter towards Lucy. He can hold a grudge for a long time too, so I think it will be quite a while before the two reconcile again. They might be ready to be friends again a year from now, presuming that they've both matured and learned their lessons during that time.

Oh man, this got long. Definitely not apologizing for that though. Not giving you a TL;DR either, so read the whole thing or skip it.

Follow-up post, because apparently I don't remember everything:

Mike started disliking Lucy even before she confessed her love to him, because she was always being clingy and needy. And Zachary pointed out to Lucy that she was "kind of abusive" towards Mike, and suggested that perhaps she should treat him better. And of course with his foresight, Zachary told her that Mike would leave her one day, and mentioned that she had more friends than just Mike.

I wonder if Lucy is now recalling not only Augustus' words, but also Zachary's. Perhaps she would dig up a phone number for Zachary somewhere, and call him up just to talk and let her feelings out. "And look... if anything happens to you, I'll be there... Somehow."

Does Half of this actually answers ANYTHING? "Being in love with someone but not accepting it".

http://www.tumblr.co...b7ywS3jf1r4hqsr

This post has been edited by JeffsCatimation: 24 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

Oh boy, why don't we all just forget that Mike and Lucy are only, what, fifteen? As terrible as Lucy may treat Mike, and as devastating as Mike's outburst may have been, teens of their age act impulsively on their emotions, and these two "star-crossed lovers," so to speak, are no exception to the psychological rule. That, and the areas of their brains most associated with planning ahead and forsight are the last portions of their brains to fully develop.

I honestly don't see either of them harboring these fantastical schemes that have been suggested, especially the ones that are spread out over long periods of time. They are impulsive, immature teenagers who act only on what is on the forefront of their minds exactly when it is on the forefront of their minds, nothing more, nothing less.

But I'm applying human psychology to cats, so how accurate can I be, hm?

... To answer the question, though, I'd have to say that doing so at this point in the narritive would be a terrible, terrible mistake; in a few years, it might be a good idea, but definitely not now.

Er, wacko, forgetting how SHE SAVED HIS FUCKING LIFE!? TWICE!? That's enough proof for me that Lucy is a good person cat deep down inside. Also, I agree with Windless Zephyr. It's largely hormones.

Well, just once really, because both Mike and Lucy might have drowned were it not for Paulo. I will give you "Confrontation" though. And in a similar vein, you could also point out how Lucy saved Yashy from the big wave in Acapulco.

However, even if Lucy is willing to step in and rescue her close friends when they're in grave peril, that doesn't really entitle her to treat any of them (least of all Mike) badly the rest of the time. And do hormones really cause a person to want to punch another person or call them "jerkface" all the time? Lucy was always so competitive with Mike, but she didn't need to be. And her actions started well before puberty.

Confrontation is kind of weird because people like to say that Lucy full-on rescued Mike when it was more they rescued each other.

Lucy just saved Mike's ass first, but he had to save her ass later and they banded together like bros and saved the day.

People who think Confrontation is just a Lucy victory are being shortsighted and shortchanging Mike who was pretty active except for when he was getting his head pounded.

Drunk Mike is best Mike except for acting Mike who is best Mike.

Lucy is gaygayagayaguagayagauagayguagayagay

She should've roofie'd and raped Mike when she had the chance.

Ace, on 04 March 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

If you squint at certain parts of this sentence it looks like Ace is saying "Lucy is aguyaguyaguyaguy".

That would be a twist. Or maybe I just have that on my mind because I was just at that transgender poll thread.

Lunariaus, on 23 November 2011 - 08:54 AM, said:

To be honest I just started reading this comic two days ago and when I got to this part. I was shocked I even started to tear up, but after I started to read the next chapter I noticed something that gave me hope, Mike is still thinking about Lucy when he is talking to Sandy. I think he still has some feelings for Lucy in more ways than looking out for her.

Now I do agree that Lucy did use him like a drug, I feel that you point is proven when she goes into shock and gets sick, but I don't think it is all hopeless and there is more to this than what you are seeing. First I want to talk about Sandy. While she is her own person, she is also using Mike as a drug too. When I think back to chapter 14 I think, the one when Sandy is introduced for the first time, you can see that she had no controll of her life. This is apparent when she tells Mike that her parents never let her do anything special in her life and for her that special thing is Mike. She is using Mike as the one thing she can controll in her life and you can see this even more when Daisy tells about her relationship with Sandy. So when you think about it Sandy is just as guilty as Lucy.

But there is more to this story then this when you bring the goth kid that Lucy talked to in the December chapter. Now he did give her some good advice on what she should do, but I still don't trust him completely. In some of the earlier chapters we find out that he is working for the guy from chapter 12 that got his butt whooped by Mike and Lucy. I do feel that he doesn't like what he is doing but I also feel that he is trying to ruin the lives of the crew one by one for his boss.

Now just so you know I,m on team LxM but I do understand where you are coming from, but I don't feel that Sandy cares about Mike's own life or his friends. I also think I know what might happen in the future.

When Sand shows up, she will find that guy from chapter 12 and dump Mike for him and Lucy will find out from the goth kid and go looking for Mike. Destroyed and heartbroken; Mike will go to the river where he almost drowned and jump in and Lucy will dive right in after him and pull him over to the riverbank. When Mike comes to, they will have a heated fight with Lucy slapping him and tells him why she always loved him, bring him back to his old self and says he is sorry for his actions and they become a couple for life. And they realize that Lucy jumped in to a river and she faints, just to bring in a little comedy.

Now they just need to take care of the guy from chapter 12 and how to bring Pualo and Tess together.

This post has been edited by yuyupiece: 21 March 2012 - 04:04 PM

That was the worst bullshit I've ever read.

It could certainly be argued whether Sandy is 'using' Mike in her own way. Sandy's parents want her to become as successful as they are, and push her hard into doing so. They think a relationship would just get in the way of that at this point. Due to the lack of control over her own life, it's probably no surprise that Sandy wants to hide the relationship from her overbearing parents (her mom especially).

yuyupiece said:

Actually, Augustus was just being brutally honest to Lucy, which was something she needed at that point.

Your conjecture may come into play later this school year (or whenever Alejandro actually puts his 'plan' into action), however I think Augustus will ultimately choose to protect Daisy and possibly Lucy as well.

yuyupiece said:

I would point out that Sandy doesn't even know about Alejandro ("Confrontation Cat" from chapter 12), nor does Alejandro know about her.

yuyupiece said:

Tess will be departing from the cast once she graduates at the end of this school year. While she may resolve her lingering feelings for Paulo before then, I don't think she and Paulo will get back together. (Especially since Tess is a fan character, and we know how Taeshi feels about those. )


And now, to correct something from Lunarius' original post:

Lunarius said:

Actually, Sandy invited Lucy to join her and Mike in their games on several occasions, but Mike kept ignoring Lucy in favour of Sandy, so Lucy stopped joining in.

This post has been edited by wacko: 21 March 2012 - 05:09 PM

Okay I guess your right, but I wish that every thing would turn out in some way that Lucy and Mike would get back together, you know

And don't write off Tess just yet you never know what's going to happen.

yuyupiece, on 22 March 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Wacko knows more about BCB than Taeshi, he knows everything.

yuyupiece, on 22 March 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

*sniff* i share your blind hope my friend.

Keep reading, guys. You never know regarding Mike×Lucy.

As for Tess, she is definitively departing upon graduation. A resurgence of Paulo×Tess seems rather doubtful, considering they've both moved on by this point. Tess as a character was basically there to develop Paulo, and Paulo's grown from the experience.

Thanks for that, and the whole thing with Paulo, Jasmine, and Tess it feels like a Scott Pilgrim deal to me. And if Tess does come back, it might be as a student teacher.

Tess won't come back. She's a fan character, and Taeshi has been eliminating those. The only fan characters that still appear in the main story are Tess and McCain, and Tess is on her way out (the chapter "Fade Away" is a big hint). I doubt we'll see a lot of McCain in the future either, although he's a junior and has one more year of school left.

ugh, I know Tess is a fancharacter but still. I love her in the fact she's got a background story, is active with the others, and was a character that got redemption. Tess was a good character, and deserved to be with Paulo. Then there's Jasmine who we don't know SHIT about, came in randomly like "Oh hey everyone this is Jasmine and she will be here so there's a legit pairing for Paulo that's not Tess.". It's not just that she appeared randomly, nor that we know nothing about her, it's that her character seems...too good for Paulo, seriously Jasmine seems more like Daisy in that she's forgiving, understanding, and innocent.

still as a TessXPaulo shipper I cling to Tess.

Agreed. I understand that Taeshi doesn't like fan characters, heck I hate it when my friends want me to add someone they came up with to a story I'm working one and I can find it insulting and a pain when I'm hit with a wave of them. But they some times come up with a character that just makes me go, " Why the heck didn't I come up with that?" I just think that it would be a shame for Tess to go poof before most of the main drama is finished at the moment and not any future drama.

Now I'm not saying she should in every chapter from now on, just until Lucy and Mike get their act together. But this is not my comic, it's Teashi's and it all up to her not me or anyone else. This is just how I feel on the subject.

And I know the whole thing with Lucy and Mike won't be done with for a long time from now.

This post has been edited by yuyupiece: 23 March 2012 - 03:43 PM

Tess' background story was designed by Lily (Tess' creator).

Tess does have good chemistry with Paulo, no question about that. However, she felt that both she and Paulo weren't ready for a real relationship yet, and that she couldn't make him wait for her while she went off to college. They did almost get back together near the end of the Acapulco trip, but Paulo broke that off because he couldn't get Daisy out of his head. Tess does still have feelings for Paulo (which she showed in "Back and Forth"), but by that point Paulo was already involved with other girls.

As for Jasmine, her 'random' appearance basically stemmed from David pushing Paulo towards freshmen girls. Jasmine is actually fairly mature in that while she's glad to be with Paulo, she won't be too upset if the relationship doesn't last forever. For her, it's just a high school romance, something to dip her toes into.

If it makes you feel better, I don't think Paulo and Jasmine's relationship will last too long. I could easily see Paulo becoming overly concerned about Lucy, which might put a strain on his relationship with Jasmine. Heck, Paulo was already glaring at Mike at the Christmas party because Lucy didn't show up.

True.

In fact...
HOOOWEEVER...
I still think that Jasmine and Paulo looks better than Lucy x Paulo...
HOOOWEVER...
Mike x Lucy it's out of the question, despite of all...
HOOOOWEVER...
I still have faith in the two becoming friends again...
AND BEING TOTTALLY OFF-TOPIC...
I still think Daisy could forgive Augustus and give him a second chance (as friends, obvious)
HOOOWEVER... (its becoming annoying, no? )
Ah, no, no "howevers" this time...
But i still think there's more tan the eye can see in all this...
And with the Sandy's coming and the play coming too...
"Isso vai dar merda, isso vai dar merda!!!!"

I find that relationships that start in early high school very rarely last (boyfriend/girlfriend relationships that is) for good reasons. Kids are just at the tip of the iceberg of figuring themselves out because they are approaching college which is where the real personality development beings on their own without parents being around and other factors controlling their life. It is completely in their hands. To be honest, there are 2 people right now that I actually get along really well with that I DESPISED in high school. I actually met both of them at the rock climbing gym and found that we now have very similar interests . So, I would not really be surprised if Lucy and Mike had some sort of relationship in the future (if they keep in touch). They obviously had some sort of a friendship growing up, so maybe once they have some time apart (which I think is the best case scenario currently) they might actually develop personalities that are compatible. These developments, however, are very dependent on who they interact with and how their interests evolve so it could go either way.

Although Mike's most recent encounter with Lucy was incredibly harsh, it needed to happen. It could have definitely gone at least a little "better", but this will be the ultimate test for Lucy so she can survive emotionally on her own and get her thoughts sorted. Counseling might even be a good idea right now (if she can accept that she has a problem).Once she has repaired herself, then I think she can start thinking about a relationship. For now, I feel she is best to be left single. Also, the more she hangs out with her friends in a constructive manner (i.e. she isn't completely clinging to them for 100 percent support)the easier this process will be and the less of a dependence she will have on mike. So, I guess I can make a drug analogy them in Lieu of the topic. I like to think of nicotine addiction. Some smokers use it as a stress relief or something to do on breaks..This addiction is hard to break. Quitting cold turkey is really hard and sometimes simply just weening off of it doesn't work either. So, there are other options like the patch, gum, those fake cigarette things where your just inhaling water vapor and nicotine, etc. Then, when you get stressed in the furtur or whatever activity lead to smoking, it is easier to turn to other options besides smoking. So I guess the analogy here is : a councilor would be like a nicotine substitute for lucy and then her friends and hobbies would be the long-term alternative to the "mike addiction"

So many against MikexLucy, it actually really surprised me. I thought there would have been more people who saw it my way. As someone who's a senior in high school now, i'm getting a lot of whats going in this comic about every day of my life, lol. Anyway, from what i'm seeing going on this comic, there's still a lot to me that screams mikexlucy. So many people are saying that Mike is being a jerk, and yet have we all forgotten the first 2/3 of this comic? Lucy was a straight up bitch to him, of course he's going to eventually push away from that. However, as we saw around midway in december, Mike does still enjoy time with Lucy. And of course Lucy still feels for Mike. However the main dividing factor is, Sandy.

With sandy in the equation, Mike is not going to change. To mike, Sandy is stability, and stability to him, someone who has not had stability, is nice for now. However there's on problem with Sandy that i have. Everytime mike told her about what happened with lucy, she would cry; and by crying, that would start convincing mike that in order to keep Sandy happy and to keep the stability in his life, he will have to hate lucy. Another big problem i have with sandy, is that it's all long distance. He hasn't had a TRUE relationship with her in person (elementary school doesn't count, anyone here actually still call their elementary school GF's their exes?) What if in person, they don't get along as well?

My final point about sandy that i dont like, is that in the chapter "To the Top", we see some of Sandy's other side come out near the end. She has a bit of a violent side? What will that do for them in person.

Im gonna post this now, I'll edit with more reasons why MikexLucy is NOT impossible like a lot of people are saying.

EDIT: As for why i believe that MikexLucy is still completely possible, as shown in December, their true emotions start to come out for each other when they're playing video games with each other, letting loose, and remembering the GOOD times that has been shared between the two of them. There's still an obvious care that mike has for Lucy, but because of Sandy, he's had to become a straight up jerk to her. In my opinion, a lot of what he said at the end of December wasn't his true feelings, it was what Sandy has fed him and told him he should feel (not that bluntly, but you get what i mean). Another thing that i notice, is the difference between Bluescarfed mike, and newscarfed mike. The blue one symbolizes his inner feelings, the feelings he truely feels, and yet can't show off to the world, hence why it remains in his locker (and why he has not gotten rid of it completely). The new scarf symbolizes a false face that he know gives off to everyone, the face that hates lucy, and is more of a dick, rather then his true, caring nature. Being hateful is a lot easier then putting up with the bad and trying to help and care for others. I think that's a strong message that Taeshi is trying to put out there.

And that, my friends, is my opinion towards why I think MikexLucy is the true pairing.

TL;DR - Para 1: Lucy was a bitch to Mike, why all the hate towards Mike?
Para 2: Sandy is stability in Mike's life, unlike Lucy. Sandy has also made mike form a new opinion of Lucy, one that may not be his true beliefs.
Para 3: Mike's true feelings to Lucy shine during the middle part of December when they play games, he forgets his misconceptions of her, and remembers the good. Blue scarf = Mike's true feelings that are locked away, but not forgotten (In his locker, not in the trash) New scarf = Mike's false face, his hatred towards Lucy, and his less kind, caring heart.

This post has been edited by SmashFiles: 13 April 2012 - 03:58 AM

SmashFiles, on 13 April 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Wrong, Mike does not hate Lucy to keep Sandy happy. Sandy's shock that a friend would treat Mike like this helped Mike realize that Lucy just bullys him. Basically he genuinely hates Lucy.

Murderer, on 13 April 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

You can't exactly say it's "wrong" with a comic like this... As someone who has gone through something similar, and how Taeshi has unfolded the story, I would argue til the end of time that Sandy is definitely some of the reason that Mike hates Lucy. He was having a blast with her, until he gets a text from Sandy, then all of a sudden "you should go". While yes, you might be right, her crying may have made mike realize it, i'm still not convinced. But no matter what, in either scenario, Sandy has greatly shifted Mike's perception of Lucy.

Edit: Finished my previous post

This post has been edited by SmashFiles: 13 April 2012 - 03:56 AM

Actually, Murderer is pretty much right. Sandy was genuinely concerned about Mike's well-being, and she helped Mike realize that Lucy was being abusive to him. (Also note Taeshi's other comments on those specific flashback pages.)

Some readers seem to think that Sandy is 'evil', when Taeshi has repeatedly said that's not the case at all.