- 13 July 2012 - 10:58 PM
- 13 July 2012 - 10:59 PM
I'm sorry if I caused a fuss.
I like drawing for the kids I volunteer with too, they love being drawn, and it makes them happy.
- 13 July 2012 - 11:05 PM
See I can do fanart okay, but I just can't do a comic. And thats what I REALLY want to do. I'm just so scared of it being stupid.
- 13 July 2012 - 11:25 PM
Ah, sorry. XP I guess I did offend some people with that comment... I'll set the settings on the vulgarity of my comments a bit lower next time. ( '_' )
This post has been edited by AllJustShadesOfGray: 14 July 2012 - 07:47 PM
- 14 July 2012 - 07:47 PM
Like all medical issues, it's no surprise that caring for people with disabilities come at a cost. Are you all that surprised? What about people who become morbidly obese? People in comas? People who do drugs, smoke, are alcoholics but have trouble recovering despite receiving care? People with other rare but still very real illnesses that require 24 hours, seven days a week aid? They ALL require care and cost. You can't just disregard autistic individuals but still provide care for those with other disabilities. Where do you draw the line as to who deserves a chance to live and who doesn't? Can we even assert such a right to decide? Many people, including those that have become famous, have proven doctors and people wrong by showing they can live and thrive despite whatever disability they may have.
There's still much debate as to whether autism is being overdiagnosed, but it isn't the only disorder. Regardless, to get an actual diagnosis requires extensive testing and continuous assessment of a child (if diagnosed with autism). How it's done depends entirely on the parents' healthcare providers, and sometimes schools can be involved as well. A doctor can't just look and talk to a child before deciding, "welp, looks like the little one has autism". It's not that easy.
If you think having a mental illness automatically makes one crazy, you are incredibly ignorant. The stigma that comes with having a mental disorder in anyway is still so prevalent that people or the parents of children with disorders refuse/are in denial to seek help.
I know I'm sounding really bitter, but I can't help it especially since I have personal experience working with individuals who have disorders. Some of you need to do some research.
This post has been edited by Aika: 15 July 2012 - 03:23 AM
- 15 July 2012 - 03:22 AM
2. Euthanasia and eugenics. It's not that big of a deal. No, you shouldn't get the right to decide if you expect your government to play any role in care for your miscreant.
3. That didn't stop them from misdiagnosing ADD and it didn't stop them from expanding the definition of autism to include the ramblings of a Nazi doctor naturally obsessed with der ubermensch.
- 15 July 2012 - 04:45 AM
1) Medical cost is the obvious outcome of over-diagnosis of mild mental disorders (and major disorders are much more costly).
2) Melodramatic analysis of Jerk's character and misinterpretation of his tone and words.
3) Euthanasia is wrong.
As much as Jerk's words will inflame and enrage anyone sensitive Autism, he does have a point outside the obvious disregard of mainstream humane ethics (the weird obsession of trying to keep human vegetables alive to leech off society).
1) In the case of mild autism (Asperger's, for instance) the amount of articles online stating a general overdiagnosis is unsettling. Truly, what differentiates someone with functional autism and a person with a terrible personality and general social ineptness is incredibly ambiguous (to me, at least). In what way can someone differentiate between someone who is nurtured into such a social recluse from someone's general nature and birth granting such a disorder? It's hard to tell, so how does one deal with this dilemma? They diagnose according to the signs currently present (and there are ways to truly diagnose someone with Autism, but brain-scans are not used for everyone). This leads to a ridiculous parity in Autism.
NYT: "Nevertheless, children and adults with significant interpersonal deficits are being lumped together with children and adults with language acquisition problems."
I can post a large array of articles with the same general impression, but I feel as if I've wasted enough of my time writing out this response in the first place.
2) You're response to Jerk's policy on Euthanasia has been and will continue to be debated. You can channel your anger at him, but at the cost of looking like two children and never coming to an mutual understanding. I personally do believe in euthanasia for the incredibly retarded and those inflicted with debilitating mental disorders (for instance, anyone who no longer can control their thoughts: such as some paranoid schizophrenics who are advanced in their disorder [whose lifespans are shortened already by the disease]). When the person in question can not even begin to think for him/herself, is it alright to continue on with life? Is being a parasite an acceptable life to lead?
For tl;dr, just read the first sentence of the numbered points.
- 15 July 2012 - 06:07 AM
With how medicine and studies are, it's unfortunate (though unsurprising) that we don't have absolute answers or definitions for everything. Yes, I'm against over diagnosing (I'm quite aware of it), but could we go through ALL the studies and cases to make sure that everyone was diagnosed properly 100%? Who knows. Terms and definitions are also continuously changed with research and data as well. I'm also not too familiar with the diagnosing process, but I do know (at least with the company I work with) the children undergo regular assessments. Hopefully, then, doctors and researchers can come up with a better, more accurate process.
We also don't know how autism is caused entirely. I know also that there's genetic testing for disorders such as downs syndrome, but I don't think there's anything for autism yet - and it especially doesn't help that autism is a spectrum disorder, too. I bring that up because it's ties into whether people could choose to abort should they find out that the fetus has a certain chance of having a certain disorder, which relates to euthanasia.
- 15 July 2012 - 06:58 AM
Doing anything BUT aborting it is irre-fucking-sponsible.
- 15 July 2012 - 03:49 PM
It would seem that it is more of a curse than a blessing for people with severe Autism to live. But then again, killing them? We as humans don't have any right to end another's life simply because it "would be better this way". Until we can predict the future with startling accuracy (or rather non-startling accuracy, as we'll have predicted it) we can't say someone's life will be better if they just ended it right then. Who knows if a severely Autistic person actually views his or her life a certain way?
Of course the point I'm going on about doesn't cover economical stances, social stances, etc. Right now what I'm contemplating is only if allowing them to live is actually worse than killing them.
Funny thing is, even if we can predict the future, how many people will ACCEPT it? We as humans live our entire lives believing we have the ability to choose for ourselves. Movies of wrestling with fate and coming out victorious are some of the best.
After we get rid of that problem we have the other ramifications to consider, all of which are controversial.
One morally ambiguous issue often leads into another, and another after that. It's like one big chain of questions imitating Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
I don't know how my train of thought turned out this way. I don't think I've added anything to the debate. :B
This post has been edited by AllJustShadesOfGray: 15 July 2012 - 04:26 PM
- 15 July 2012 - 04:25 PM
Choosing the abortion seems like the best way to me, but debating the ethics of abortion is already covered somewhere in a clusterfuck'ed thread on this forum.
- 15 July 2012 - 05:44 PM
- 15 July 2012 - 06:17 PM
It's funny to me because the people who abhor abortion are usually pretty enthusiastic about taking adult life.
- 15 July 2012 - 06:30 PM
There is only one case I know of where an individual that is fairly high on the spectrum was capable of communicating their thoughts not through speaking, but typing. You don't need to watch the entire video to get the gist of what Carly (the autistic individual) was capable of doing. Note: Start at 5:07 to see specifically the kinds of things she types.
Although it's once case I know of, who knows how many are like Carly, who have trouble controlling their actions or can't even speak but appears to be completely mentally sound. But again, it's just one case, and we can't generalize it to all cases of autism.
This post has been edited by Aika: 15 July 2012 - 07:33 PM
- 15 July 2012 - 07:25 PM
My brother is what you might call a "High functioning autistic" And before you say "that doesn't exist" he was born low functioning, we worked very hard. He went from the six year old who could only say three words, Milk, Cheese and More, which he would only say in desperation, to the guy he is now. As to you, Marshmello, saying he says he hates you, so does my bro. He thinks of life as a low quality sit-com. The best friends have an awful fight, every episode, yet always forgive each other. That doesn't mean you should coddle them. I roll my eyes and laugh at anyone who thinks that autism deserves any special treatment socially. You are just making it worse. How else are they going to learn if nothing negative happens? The world isn't a padded room and if you want them to one day be normal like my dad who is also autistic but has very few autistic habits left to show, you gotta let there be negative consequences. If you feel he's using you say no. If you feel he is being a jerk treat him as such, just walking away isn't gonna make him feel bad but do so if you wish.
I love my brother, and I can't imagine life without him so the thought of him not being there but being stem cells in someones leg scares me a bit. I could understand people who have no brain control but... ALL autists? What about Albert Einstein? What about my dad? My brother already narrowly escaped death. He was born two months early and was in ICU for a few weeks. He was born with his brother. A still born. I'm glad he stayed alive. Now my parents tried coddling him at first. Ha. I was only a year older than him. If he shoved me, I shoved him back. We went to the drinking fountain I played with the water level to continually splash his face. Little kids make no allowances. They are ruthless. And I believe my brother is better off for it. He knows I won't take any shit from him trying to use his autism as an excuse. Because either he was unaware and it was truly autism and therefore he can't use it as an excuse in the first place, or he damn well better take it back before I kick his ass for trying to cop out and not own up to his own mistakes like a man.
I'm aware that he could do better. I know that the reason he has ceased to improve on the road to "normalcy" is his own fear of what happens if he goes any further, Like a horse that balks at a snake in front of it. He could do better, but its got to be his choice. I'm not going to make it any easier for him though, its HIM who is holding him back, and I'm going to do my best to get him over that hurdle because I love him enough to do that. I realize this isn't quite as relevent as I planned it to be, but I hope no one holds it against me.
- 25 July 2012 - 10:29 AM
TL;DR: milk milk more milk cheese more MORE MORE MILKCHEESE
- 25 July 2012 - 02:19 PM
- 29 July 2012 - 06:46 PM
Does it make any difference in your eyes if a child is diagnosed with any kind of autism at a very young age, than a teenager or adult believing they have it and getting a diagnosis?
- 30 July 2012 - 11:59 AM
not if they're autistic
- 30 July 2012 - 10:16 PM
- 31 July 2012 - 08:16 AM