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Circumcision

View PostItu, on 12 January 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

View PostSeppucrow, on 12 January 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Oh, and what complications are these?



Adult Circumcision - March 15, 1999 - American Family Physician

Kaplan: Complications of Circumcision

Complications of circumcision in male neonates, infants and children: a systematic review

Sorry, can't go through this too much right now, just refer to these links. Gotta go right now.


I don't see anything that shows a different set of complications in adults compared to infants. These articles mostly just describe the process and the complications and no regards of a significant disparity between ages.

How about we have no complications by not circumcising.

View PostPurin, on 12 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Man my circumcision was so painful. I still remember it to this day.

Can you answer my question?
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I was circumcised like right after birth. I don't remember it, but I know my parents had them do it more for the health benefits than the "god wants them to cut up your dick" part.
I'm actually happy they did it because it does have serious benefits, and it does look better IMO. (I guess that's a weird thing to say)
  • #52

Ah, what kind of "benefits" do they entail?
  • #53

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Circumcision is shitty and I hate it. I think people just make excuses like "Oh it's healthier to have it cut so I'm gonna cut my child." How about actually teach them proper freaken hygiene rather than mutilate their penis because you're too freaken lazy to educate them on not making their penis reek of smegma.

Also it looks creepy. I actually get really freaked out when I see cut penises.

Also the foreskin is just so much fun to play with. I mean christ people ramble about diseases and hygiene and shit but man you could eat your meals off souppy's dick i tell ya what
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I for one would rather chop off my child's penis than talk to him about it.
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View PostTaeshi, on 12 January 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Circumcision is shitty and I hate it. I think people just make excuses like "Oh it's healthier to have it cut so I'm gonna cut my child." How about actually teach them proper freaken hygiene rather than mutilate their penis because you're too freaken lazy to educate them on not making their penis reek of smegma.

Also it looks creepy. I actually get really freaked out when I see cut penises.

Also the foreskin is just so much fun to play with. I mean christ people ramble about diseases and hygiene and shit but man you could eat your meals off souppy's dick i tell ya what


Yeah see I am the complete opposite of this.

It's looks and feels cleaner to me. It's not like I don't wash the damn thing every day you know. Also, cut looks amazing! I don't even know you anymore. Foreskin just looks creepy and scary to me. I mean, it's so much flesh and it looks blech :|

Mine was religious, but I think I would really considering having it done for my child as a social decision more then a religious one. I wouldn't consider it healthier or anything, just keeping the same look between father and son. Might be a little on the "tradition and copying poor habits" sort of side, but so be it.

I don't have any sexual or health repercussions from it. I've given it more then it's fair share of test drives, and the engine runs silky smooth :-*


Either way, have it or don't. I prefer it, but telling me the health or "feeling" aspect of the argument is a moot point to me. Want to argue pain side of it, that might be a worthwhile debate.
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View PostTaeshi, on 12 January 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

you could eat your meals off souppy's dick i tell ya what


I guess I didn't think of that. I mean, Smegma has gotta fall into one of the food pyramid groups....dairy maybe.
  • #57

What's the point of bringing up "cut looks better"? It's just an opinion, and I know a couple people who prefer the other -- does their opinion matter to you if they disagree?

Another ridiculous thing I want to point out that is how hard people are trying to rationalize it by saying people prefer this and that. Okay, let's do a bad thing because allegedly some women like it. Sounds more like peer pressure and not an esteemed opinion.

This post has been edited by Seppucrow: 12 January 2012 - 01:55 AM

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At the end of the day, your penis is still mutilated. No matter how much you justify it~
  • #59

Who do I go to see about reparations for the state having chopped off potentially the best part of my penis? :nope:
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There are actually ways to get the foreskin back if you want to be a weirdo. Though that would mean you want to be Jay Naylor :U;;;;;

Foreskin restoration oh baby
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I don't know what exactly how it goes, but I heard some people feel emotionally way better when they restore it because they felt "deprived"
  • #62

what no fuck no that's the opposite of what I want

seriously, if it makes me less like Jay Naylor please cut off more of my dick
  • #63

How about looking at it this way. By getting a circumcision, you now have less stimulation. For a guy, that may not necessarily be a bad thing. Last thing a woman wants his her man getting aroused too quickly and finishing before she even has a chance to enjoy a climax.

In the end, it just comes down to personal preference. I think of it more as a social issue than health. You can develop urinary tract infections, but that is an easy fix with antibiotics anyways.

This post has been edited by Purin: 12 January 2012 - 02:02 AM

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Wouldn't circumcision promote erectile dysfunction though because it removes arousal? It is a problem too.
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Jerk will only be pleased when the rest of the dick is gone.
  • #66

I'm holding out for prehensile cocks before I'll let them anywhere near my scrote with their knives.
  • #67

No. At least there is no well studied correlation. ED is mostly do to metabolic diseases or anxiety, which effects blood flow and circulation.
  • #68

The foreskin has veins which circulate blood flow, so wouldn't circumcision promote ED because it's affected by blood flow and circulation?

This post has been edited by Seppucrow: 12 January 2012 - 02:11 AM

  • #69

Will someone else click Taeshi's link and look at that penis? I need a second opinion: is it just me or is his dick retreating?
  • #70

Erectile dysfunction has little to do with arousal, unless your girlfriend is fat or something. Also, I don't much like looking at my penis and thinking of it as 'mutilated' because it's not wearing a living turtleneck. I feel mine still has too much skin as it is, I can pull it up around the head and simulate a foreskin, even when erect. It feels funny, I can't imagine how much there'd be if I wasn't cut.

Also, how is it that preference doesn't count only when cut people prefer cut? Sounds like sour grapes to me :-*

And yeah Jerk, it reminds me of cartoons when they'd suck stuff through a straw.

This post has been edited by Bourbon: 12 January 2012 - 02:19 AM

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Oh Jerk. I just read the quote, I didn't go all the way down to the penis. And, slightly? Maybe a bad day.

Shit there is a lot of people reading this topic.
  • #72

Well Bourbon, it's been said that Erectile Dysfunction is affected by blood flow and circulation, and cutting the foreskin off would affect that because it has veins.
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View PostSeppucrow, on 12 January 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Wouldn't circumcision promote erectile dysfunction though because it removes arousal? It is a problem too.


????

I can still get the lead pipe (No ED). ED is related to lack of blood flow, not sure how circumcision directly effects that persay. Now if you want to talk about how sensitive? Feels good to me bro 8-) Obviously you cannot compare from having to not when it's done at birth, but stuff works well for me.

I won't say it's the greatest medical procedure invented to man, or that it's not superficial (Because, it is). All medical procedures have risk, including circumcision. I personally just like it.
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People can feel awkward about their penis being mutilated, but fact is.. it IS mutilated. There's no way going around that, at the end of the day that's what happened. There really is no genuine reason to cut it, it's something that was done as some religious thing that people are beginning to take as some sort of social norm, and desperately trying to justify it, but it still is mutilated. People can prefer circumcision, but to act like circumcision is the "norm" and not mutilation is just plain deluded.
  • #75

You're probably having erectile dysfunction because you've reached a point where women no longer appeal to you the way they used to.

You'll look over your shoulder one morning and think to yourself, "Well God damn, was my cat this sexy yesterday?"
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View PostTaeshi, on 12 January 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

People can feel awkward about their penis being mutilated, but fact is.. it IS mutilated. There's no way going around that, at the end of the day that's what happened. There really is no reason to cut it, it's something that was done as some religious thing that people are beginning to take as some sort of social norm, and desperately trying to justify it, but it still is mutilated. People can prefer circumcision, but to act like circumcision is the "norm" and not mutilation is just plain deluded.


Could easily argue that religion is "mutilation" of the mind, as it is forced upon a child without them deciding weather they want it or not.

I agree it does remove a part of the human body, but it's a moot point in terms of pro or con defending the act (at least when we do eye to eye comparisons of similar decisions made during childhood by parents)
  • #77

I agree with Taeshi, only because it makes me feel slightly better about being one of the only kids in elementary school not circumcised, and I was slightly shunted for that for a while. Those dicks.
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Those mutilated dicks ;)

Pants you realise I will easily go "yes" to your analogy of religion being a mutilation of the mind :P NOT EXACTLY HELPING YOUR CAUSE
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View PostPants, on 12 January 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I agree it does remove a part of the human body, but it's a moot point in terms of pro or con defending the act (at least when we do eye to eye comparisons of similar decisions made during childhood by parents)

You're right, it's moot. Now start defending circumcision instead of blabbering about how you like your penis.
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View PostTaeshi, on 12 January 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Pants you realise I will easily go "yes" to your analogy of religion being a mutilation of the mind :P NOT EXACTLY HELPING YOUR CAUSE


I know :P Double negative argument go! haha

View PostSeppucrow, on 12 January 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

You're right, it's moot. Now start defending circumcision instead of blabbering about how you like your penis.


I dunno...I do really like my penis 8-D

Honestly, there are hundreds of point counterpoint arguments to be found on the subject. See here for example (Male Circumcision – Pros and Cons | The Art of Manliness)

Fact wise, neither camp has had a definitive answer. The health benefits and risks for promoting circumcision are very reduced these days, but they still exist.
  • #81

Well I'm glad you didn't consider defending it.
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View PostSeppucrow, on 12 January 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Well I'm glad you didn't consider defending it.


I'm not going to go on a full scale rant on it :P

It looks better to me (debate), there is some medical benefits (debate) , It's tradition (debate), Like father like son (debate).

You can't argue without solid facts. Like trying to argue for abortion.
  • #83

I don't mind if you back down.
  • #84

What's a foreskin?
Just kidding, but yeah, I dont have a foreskin they gave me a circumcision after being born since I had more foreskin than the necesary and it would've lead to a desease.
I dont notice the difference ALSO, FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IS SICK TWISTED AND UNJUSTIFIED, IT CAUSES WOMEN TO FEEL ONLY PAIN!! >:(
  • #85

Well of course you don't notice the difference because you didn't grow up with one.

Funny thing is that the same rationalizations for female circumcision is the same as male. Female cutting is said to prevent disease, aids, STDs, because people prefer it, etc.

This post has been edited by Seppucrow: 12 January 2012 - 02:47 AM

  • #86

Wait, let's back up for a second: maybe some women shouldn't be able to orgasm?
  • #87

I wonder if Taeshi has mutilated pierced ears :P

Seppu is doing that 'you can't prove your point, so I'm right' thing. Only now that I said that he'll say he never said he was right and yadda yadda.
  • #88

No, it's more like "You can't prove your point, therefore you are wrong."
  • #89

Anyway the only one that feels the difference are the ladies,
EXCEPT FOR SOME WOMEN IN AFRICA!(the circumcized ones)

This post has been edited by NeonDfro: 12 January 2012 - 02:55 AM

  • #90

That's different. They all have AIDS so they shouldn't be having sex anyway.
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I'm a fucking atheist and i'm going to get my kid circumcised.
Personally, I find uncircumcised penises fucking repulsive. I can't fucking stand it.
But yes, I know it isn't some "Normal" cultural shit. I personally find it easier to just cut the shit off and not have to deal with cleaning it. Well, I mean when you are a baby.
You won't remember it and it just seems much easier in the long run.

This post has been edited by Grass: 12 January 2012 - 03:04 AM

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Penn & Teller: Circumcision - YouTube

Thought I would throw this in here since I was watching it last night.

I love how the babies go into shock because of the pain. Must be great seeing that happen to your child.
  • #93

Grass how hard would you think it would take to clean your skin?
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Seppucrow I'm just talking about how you won't have to fucking do it.
Personally i'm happy that I got circumcised. But its not like i'm telling everyone to get one.
  • #95

Well you're going to circumcise your kids so that's an issue to me.
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@Virdus Penn and Teller is awesome.

This post has been edited by Adams: 12 January 2012 - 03:15 AM

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  • Grass
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Okay seppu, come take my kid when I have him. You obviously know what my kids should get and not get.
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Pants said:

It's tradition (debate),

This is not a good reason to have an unnecessary surgery performed on your son. As pointed out above, female genital mutilation also happens to be "traditional" in the cultures where it's practiced.


Pants said:

Like father like son (debate).

I fail to understand why you would need to make your son look like you. He's going to be his own individual when he grows up, isn't he?


Grass said:

But yes, I know it isn't some "Normal" cultural shit. I personally find it easier to just cut the shit off and not have to deal with cleaning it. Well, I mean when you are a baby.

Man, you'd make a terrible father. Cut off your son's foreskin just because you think it'll make it easier to clean the dick. Pretty uneducated thinking there, sonny. Here's a hint: you're not supposed to pull back a baby's foreskin, because it's usually still attached to the glans at that stage. The foreskin slowly separates and retracts as the child grows. The inside basically cleans itself, so just leave it alone and clean the outside just like you would with a circumcised baby.
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View PostPurin, on 12 January 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

How about looking at it this way. By getting a circumcision, you now have less stimulation. For a guy, that may not necessarily be a bad thing. Last thing a woman wants his her man getting aroused too quickly and finishing before she even has a chance to enjoy a climax.

In the end, it just comes down to personal preference. I think of it more as a social issue than health. You can develop urinary tract infections, but that is an easy fix with antibiotics anyways.


Actually it is bad, because it feels better. If you're too much of a pussy to hold on because you've got that extra sensation you shouldn't be allowed to stick it in in the first place.
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