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Are people really freaking out over this? Sure shooting it is a little odd, but it serves the same purpose as taking it away just with a little flare. Yes a suppose putting it on facebook might effect her socially, but I'm sure she would have gone to school the next day and said guess what my crazy father did. Everyone in that town would have known about it just as fast as putting it up on the internet. I don't see what damage he did.

This post has been edited by Rawrdinosaur: 10 February 2012 - 04:05 PM

I'm sure all the people freaking out are other ungrateful kids her age.

If I own something expensive, I fucking bought it. My family has never had the money for that kind of stuff. Most people don't understand, even relatively, the value of money until they're in their 20s and on their own.
It's funny though because my parents used to ground me off of things I paid for.

But yeah, this Dad is awesome.

That was an awesome video to watch.

Wonderful.

One less dumbfuck on the internet

Let's go back for a second and remember the Texan judge who beat his daughter for using the internet. Now compare that to this.

He has a daughter whose attitude is septic enough that there are probably people waiting in line to give the snotty little cunt a black eye. Instead, he ends her privileges with an exclamation point on the end for all to see. Putting it up on the internet like that took a lot of balls too considering the sheer volume of whiny teenagers on YouTube alone.

When I clicked on this topic, I was expecting something a lot less reasonable. It's hard to argue with clearly establishing a punishment for certain unacceptable behavior and then carrying it out when necessary.

All I'm left to wonder is whether she ever tried to bring up her complaints in person.

As much as I'd like to say that shooting the laptop was a bit much I honestly can't say I disagree with the main point of this. To many kids these days (oh god I sound old) seem to be of the mind set that they should be able to just ask for shit and be disrespectful simply because it is in or cool. That and they don't seem to realize there is a point to which you can bitch and whine to the people who freaking feed, clothe and pay for everything you own while you are ungreatful and don't do shit in return before they finally give up and lose it.

I think a couple of people I know should see this.

It`s an interesting punishment , i watched the video and it`s great! well explained and kinda funny ,poor laptop

I'm not going to go on a "When I was a kid"-type rant, but this guy is bang on the money. His kid overstepped the line once too often, and didn't see the consequences, so she got what was coming to her. I also admire his taste in handguns, as superfluous and often unnecessary as they are.

Good on this guy From what the media interviews said, it sounds like his daughter may have a little more respect for her parents and not be such a whiny shit

Oh wow, at first I thought this would be any other thing like with that judge beating his daughter, but this actually seems justified. Wish more parents had balls like that.

I approve of this, his kid crossed the line, acted like a bitch, and got what she deserved. I hope she learned her lesson.

as for the shooting part, it It didn't really bother me as much as I see it bothering others. perhaps I'm a bit desensitized to it as like, every other household has one here in southern Oregon, but he did it in an open field with no people around, so it was safe. also firing into soft ground which would have caught the bullets instantly, if the hollow points had not disintegrated into the computer.

but yeah, you go dad!

0:00 - hello i am from texas
0:30 - guys i know computers, alright?
up to about 2:53 - reading of a whiny teenager complaining about her first world problem
2:53 - i will now tell you, even though one sidedly why this is bullshit
4:30 - i am everything good in my groin infestation's life
4:40 - me me me me me
5:15 - this is the second time why am i surprised and offended by the internet
5:30 - but i made threats how could she feel threatened by me it's just aweful
5:38 - did i say that the threat involved me having a gun?
<shit gets pretty facetious so i am skipping the commentary a bit >
7:18 - this right here? this is my penis penis penis
7:22 - that was the first penis
7:25 - these are penis penis penis penis
7:28 - did you catch my penis yet?
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tl;dr whiny kid, but her father is a violent idiot and i have only little sympathy for him

McCrumbs, on 10 February 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Is that what you took from the video? I don't think he was trying to prove how macho he is by unloading a gun into a computer. His daughter overstepped the established boundaries and made a rude facebook post. Simply taking the computer away wouldn't have delivered the message to her because she would eventually get it back, no harm no foul. He even told her next time she did something like that he would literally put a bullet through the computer. He did the right thing by sticking to his word and letting her know that he's not going to take the disrespect she spouted on facebook that she thought she'd get away with.

Fathers like that give me hope that some kids will be raised to be a little more respectful.

Sell the computer if you don't want her to get it back. Or donate it to charity.

Deliberately choosing a gun to solve his problems is a testament to how he handles things in life: overkill. Furthermore, there was no need to shoot the damn thing, and doing it makes me suspect that he's not the responsible person on the planet. He treated that gun like a toy.

But yeah, his kid was out of line and disrespectful, but Jesus H. fucking Christ on a cracker his response was disproportionate.

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

No, his response was not disproportionate at all. He warned her that he would put a bullet in her laptop and he followed through. In fact this man is a far cry better than most people here who don't follow through with shit and end up being whiny little bitches who think they understand anything.

Dad deserves medal.

So he followed through with a threat he made. So what? He used a lethal weapon to dispose of something that could've been disposed in other less dangerous and less wasteful ways. If my kid pulled something like that, I'd show her humility by taking her with me while I sold it to a tech shop or donated it to a school. Guns shouldn't be used to solve such minor problems. Furthermore, he let his anger and immaturity get in the way of making a rational decision twice which, by the way, is exactly the number of times she did. That makes him just as immature as she is.

The response is disproportionate and immature because guns should not be handled this way, and his threat was disproportionate and immature because you don't threaten to use guns in that manner.
Again, I point out that there are safer and less violent ways to handle this situation. There are also more legal ways, as firing a gun in this manner is often a misdemeanor.

This is the most innocent way I know of using a gun. Remember that guns are usually used to kill people and animals, shooting a laptop is really ethical if you think about it. From your argument, I'm getting the idea that you'd like it better if he used the gun properly, and say, maybe shoot his daughter instead.

I don't think it would be a misdemeanor, he could be on private property, where you can shoot all you want.

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

Ace, on 11 February 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

Wow, Skmojo, way be a dumbass. I don't know where you could have reasonably concluded that I thought homicide was a rational response to this.

No, I'd rather him use the gun responsibly, at a firing range where a gun like this is meant to be used, and where conditions are set where any damage from stray bullets/ricochets are in place, and where the proper equipment is used. He could've killed a passerby, or injured/killed himself. Furthermore, he showed a violent response to his kid being the typical bratty and rebellious teenager, which tells me he doesn't need to own a gun (and it isn't innocent, either, as you know, he's responding to a situation of words with violence). Simply put, he should not have used a gun in this situation. Period.

Edit: I'm not even going to respond to that, Ace.

This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 11 February 2012 - 02:32 AM

If I was his kid I'd take him to court over destruction of property and misuse of a firearm.

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

I don't give two shits

He works in IT, so I'm going to guess he recycled the laptop after destroying it. That's responsible enough, right?

Now I don't know the firearm laws in his state, but I'm pretty sure he has a license to use his pistol on his property. We would have seen news that he was charged for misusing his firearm by now. Plus he was firing into the ground as opposed to propping the laptop on a fencepost and picking it off from there. There's no chance of ricochet off the surface of that laptop (I highly doubt a plastic shell can deflect a bullet hitting it directly), so he wasn't putting anybody in any danger.

@Rickastley: I'm pretty sure HE bought the laptop, not her. It's technically his property since she's still under his parental guidance. She would have no right to sue for destruction of the laptop.

This post has been edited by Nurematsu: 11 February 2012 - 02:39 AM

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

They were hollow point rounds they exploded as soon as they hit the computer. The worst that could happen is him accidently shooting his foot.

This post has been edited by Rawrdinosaur: 11 February 2012 - 02:48 AM

I understand the video for the most part, and agree with the father's sentiments. The "exploding hollowpoints" made me wince a bit though. Hollowpoints are known for expansion, and not explosive power. Hollowpoints are legal for sale, whereas explosive ammo is largely not. But alot of folks make worse mistakes, so meh.

Now as for this action being immature and wasteful? That depends on his background and financial situation. His being employed in the IT industry and the alluded to cleaning service, I would hazard he makes a good bit of money. In addition to this, the handgun used (a variant or clone of a colt 1911) is typically rather expensive. Genuine colts run close to $1000, whereas custom models by premium customer manufacturers can be closer to $3000. Add that to most firearms enthusiasts are loathe to waste hollow=points on anything other than their intended uses due to their high cost compared to normal ammunition (hollow-points will typically be twice the cost or more of standard ball ammunition) I am inclined to believe that money is little object to this man.

So in his eyes, the loss of $130 in software + the cost of the laptop itself is worth less than driving home a lesson to his daughter. And this lesson was "I had expectations with consequences laid out for not meeting them. You did not meet said reasonable expectations and the aforementioned consequences will NOW, without a shadow of a doubt, occur".

On the basis of a misdemeanor for firing his weapon, there are very few states/counties which restrict how one may recreationally fire their firearms on their own property. From the area behind him, I would hazard a guess that he lives on a few acres. And most states do not require a license to posses or fire a weapon. There are licenses/permits for concealed carry, but that is a seperate beast entirely.

On the idea he could have harmed himself or others, he properly backstopped his target against the ground, and fired in a fairly vertical angle. The slow, heavy .45 caliber rounds would have lost a fair amount of energy going through the laptop, before fragmenting into the earth.

And finally Guns are to many people tools as well as weapons. Tools themsevles are benign until we set them to a task or define them. Firearms are used everyday by firearms enthusiasts in the guiltless pleasure of destroying property which they are no longer going to use, ranging from Soda Cans, Water Jugs, Watermelons, Printers, and all sorts of other paraphenalia. And if you don't believe me, check Youtube. There are THOUSANDS of videos showcasing people doing just this.

Just because he used a firearm in a manner you personally are not comfortable with, does not make his use wrong or illegal.

This post has been edited by Toracat: 11 February 2012 - 03:21 AM

McCrumbs, on 10 February 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

He lives in North Carolina according to Facebook. That "violent idiot" didn't abuse his daughter in any way, so it's a pretty weak accusation. Plus, selling his daughter's laptop wouldn't have been as poignant as destroying it and he wouldn't have been able to do it so calmly with, say, a sledgehammer. That much at least is just showmanship.

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Think of any parental punishment you can think of. Spanking, for example. Do you think the parent particularly enjoys hitting their child? No! They don't, and it's good that they don't lest they become attached to it.
This guy seems like a knowledgeable guy, he'd know his gun safety rules, and firing his weapon with one hand in an open field with no barriers to stop stray bullets from hitting pedestrians would certainly make him feel uneasy.
You see now, he was punishing himself by purposefully disobeying the rules to stop himself from doing it again in the future. Who knows what could happen if he were to take his daughter's property down to the firing range, with no penalty to himself?

I'm wondering how many people here bothered to read the extra spoilered stuff, seems like a number of you didn't from the way you're talking.

The spoilered stuff is really great, this guy is a good person

Oh, reddit.

skmojo, on 11 February 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

lol nice

Some people seem to have missed the point. Sure it was a bit much to shoot the laptop, but the shooting of the laptop isn't the main point of this. It's that the girl has been disrespectful and ungrateful to her parents and those around her one to many times and this is the consequences of her actions (even if it is done in a rather over the top fashion).

Both of them seem pretty stupid to me.

The dad doesn't seem stupid. It's his laptop, after all.

My Dad and I watched this together actually. We both thought that was just plain funny at the end
I have to say that man deserves a trophy alright. And it would say "Ballsiest Parenting of the Year"

-Honestly though I bet that girl's dad is also the talk of her school now

This post has been edited by ThatGuy: 11 February 2012 - 11:21 PM

Fucking perfect.

I can understand the reason behind how far (which wasn't very far to be honest) this was taken. Her parents, like any other half-decent parents, pretty much sacrifice a good chunk of freedom in their lives so they can take care of a child. When you think that they offer her a place to live, food to eat, etc etc etc and don't expect her to contribute all that much in return, and she repays them by publicly slandering them and being a whiny bitch in general (I'm not going to criticize her use of swearing because then I'd be a massive fucking hypocrite more so than I already am), the anger that he felt made sense. Besides, there are a lot worse things he could've filled with bullets.

IMO The people who say this is too extreme are the people who turn into parents who raise shithead kids.

But yeah this is just my take on this, and I'm just a dumbass 16 year-old kid on the internet, not a parent.

His parenting skills are redneck but he is right about it.
The little girl was whiny and complaining, stomp on the father's love.
I would have gave that girl some learning tips with Mr.Belt!
That incident would stop quicker than a bullet.

Carcharocles, on 11 February 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Guns were meant to shoot things. If he wants to shoot something in his own backyard he can do that. I mean look at his property! It's probably way out in the country in a county where it's perfectly legal to shoot guns.

Yes it may have been a little irresponsible to just shoot with one hand, but that's his problem.

Toracat, on 11 February 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

That surprised me too, as exploding rounds are illegal mostly everywhere. from what I found on the website of a company that makes rounds similar to this, it looks like they were hollow points made to fragment, not actually explode. I think the exploding might have just been a tagline.

(also, in this situation, fragmenting rounds would have been safer, as total fragmentation would probably take up something like 80% of bullet velocity, and remove all chances of a ricochet.)

The exploding most likely was a tagline. If they had been actual exploding bullets you probably would have noticed it in the video.

Codysseus, on 18 February 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Knives are meant to stab things, fists are meant to hit things, etc. etc. There is no argument here on this matter. There's a reason I consider yard shooting (or plinking as it's called) irresponsible, and that's bullets travel pretty far. Most handgun rounds will travel 50 yards upon firing. Also, just pointing it out, you should always be cautious about ricochets regardless of where or what you shoot. A flat surface-plastic or not- hit at an angle as seen in the video is the perfect recipe for a ricochet. But I digress.

As for him saying the round exploded, I *really* hope he's bluffing. Frangible bullets--bullets that fragment on impact--are not hollow points and are illegal due to the impossibility of tracing them. Likewise, exploding bullets (say, Mercury fulminate tipped hollow points) are illegal because they are "too lethal." As a civilian, you're lucky--you get to use expanding hollow points. The military cannot use anything but ball, fullmetal jacket and hardcast ammo--if it deforms easily, it makes using it a war crime.

No, at no point in any of my arguments have I said guns or bad, shooting guns is bad, or the child wasn't out of line. This girl was a snotty, vindictive little bitch who really needed a reality check. I have used safety and legal points to back up my argument, and most (not all) of these have been disproven. My initial point, that using a lethal weapon sets a bad precedence for him and his child, has not even been discussed. As flashy and "cool" as it looked, using a gun to punish a child--even indirectly--is a good indicator that you will use guns in other situations where they are not appropriate. My personal experience with using "shock tactics" tells me this won't work, either. If the kid isn't afraid of the parents, it won't be any more effective than taking it away. She is going to act out again. If she's afraid of the parent, then she may not act out directly, but the stress and fear WILL encourage bad behavior. Most likely, she'll start acting out in school. Keep in mind that fear is a very shitty way to control someone. When a person is afraid, they will be compliant, but if they feel immediately threatened they themselves may become the aggressor. This is exactly why I consider this a bad decision--this will not solve the problem. It will only create new ones.

Judging by what her father has said (and keeping in mind the girl herself hasn't talked to the press), she is reveling in this shitstorm. That means that she's going to do something like this again. What will the father do this time, if shooting a laptop just made things worse? He's set a precedent here, and if she starts to milk it, it's going to turn very messy.

I maintain that this was an over the top act, which was completely out of proportion to the situation, and that it bordered on violence, was an inappropriate use of a gun and was an emotional response. The father has already said he deserves criticism for acting emotionally. Unfortunately, it's too late to fix this. Will he lose his daughter? Probably not. But according to him she finds the situation funny, which means she hasn't learned her lesson. Yes, shooting the laptop made a clear point--to us, not to her. Making it worse (and completely contrary to what many of you believe), he broke the law. She hasn't filed charges, but she can if she wants, because despite the popular misguided opinion, that was her laptop, not her fathers. As a parent, he can do what any other authority figure can do and regulate how she uses it (you know, like taking it away for a week) but destroying it is vandalism. See, the child has not been considered property of the parent for well beyond my lifetime. They are considered their own persons. A good way to illustrate why the popular notion doesn't work is to put your child's name on your house deed. Now try to sell it. Guess what? You're going to need your child's permission to do it, and if you sell it without their permission they can recoup their portion of the house's worth by taking you to court. Chances are, the daughter doesn't know this, and if she did she's likely too high off the attention to use it. But that can change in an instant, and that will make her father's life very very shitty. What's worse, is that by law you are not to act in your best interest in raising your child, but your child's best interest. The only person who stood to gain from this incident is her father. That would hit very hard in the courtroom.

Besides civil laws, many people have corrected me on the criminal aspects. Well, depending on state laws there's felony vandalism, but I don't think that applies here. She'd have to file a complaint anyway, and from they way it sounds the DFS only got involved in response to the video. She hasn't filed a complaint. Assuming he's not lying (I don't have any reason to believe he's vicious, just misguided and irresponsible) his daughter wasn't hurt, so there probably won't be legal action unless she decides for some reason to fuck his world up. Given the state's current involvement in the situation, I'm sure this has been explained to him. I just hope he learns from this incident and doesn't do it again.


Oh, and Cody, firing a gun with only one hand isn't irresponsible, its just difficult to do properly. The best way to do it is to raise the non-armed hand over your chest, tilt the gun in just slightly (you still need those sights), clench your free fist as tightly as you can, keep your wrist locked, your shoulder stiff, and your elbow slightly bent but not stiff. While it's perfectly possible to do the stand completely sideways, you're opening up a vital shot to your opponent here, so it's inadvisable. It's not really a responsibility issue, it's just very, very hard to pull off accurately. Consider the M1911 is a fairly accurate gun, you can get a sense of why most people don't do this from his rather shitty grouping on the laptop.

Edit: Here's something to read to get a better understanding of what I'm saying.

And a point by a therapist.

This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 18 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

Nurematsu, on 11 February 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Nurematsu is right, that is my dad actually except white and countrified.
If only all fathers where like him.

Carcharocles, on 18 February 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

If you can't fire it properly there is a risk of endangering other people. That's what's irresponsible.

Edit: Oh lookie me, I'm arguing your point. Fantastic.

This post has been edited by Codysseus: 18 February 2012 - 11:15 PM

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Using hollow points is a war crime? we are lucky to get to use them? please explain this to me.

In my experience, I have found HP Rounds much preferable to solid rounds for many reasons. while they were made to expand inside a target and create a larger wound tract, There are many benefits as a civilian to using HP rounds over solid rounds

when a HP round hits a target it deforms. the deformation causes a loss of the kinetic energy and speed of the round. thus, as I said before this reduces the chances of the round ricocheting. Another bonus is that hollow point rounds have very low penetrative qualities, so if it were to hit a solid target with some give, like a plaster wall, they would likely stop, where as a solid round might continue through the object and hit an innocent bystander. this makes hollow points much preferable for self/home defense. hollow points are also less aerodynamic, making them have less range. if someone was stupid enough to shoot at a target without a adequate backdrop to catch any misses, they would travel a shorter distance, or if they hit something, carry less power on impact. one thing that has always confused me is that HP's have the nickname "cop Killers" when A HP round is much less likely to make it through a Kevlar vest. it would seem that they would be much less effective against police because of the qualities I have listed.

So the war crime classification confuses me, because the rounds seem to be safer. I can see why the less range/penetrative qualities would be negative to the army, because they would be less effective. bit a war crime? I don't know why that would be. in a war zone, a stray FMJ round is much more likely to continue into the next village and strike down some innocent. during our weapon safety class that we had to take to get our gun licences, they warned us that a stray round can travel for miles! (this the reason you always shoot with a solid backdrop, like a hill, because you can't see for miles. it's always safer to fire into an object you know will catch that rounds (without reflecting them)

The Geneva convention bans rounds that are designed to increase killing potential. The deformation makes them more lethal than traditional rounds (they displace more tissue and do significantly more damage), as such they are banned. This actually makes them more effective for personal defense though.

This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 19 February 2012 - 12:18 AM

well that answers that! I'm not going to argue the geneva convention!

but yeah, to me it seems for civilians, it would make more sense to use Hollow points over solid rounds, unless there is something i'm missing.

I actually didn't argue against them being best for civilians, my point was that frangible and explosive rounds were illegal. I honestly don't know why I brought up the illegality of hollowpoints in wartime.

What I was responding to was

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I thought you were trying to say you thought they should not be legal for civilians, I must have misunderstood the tone of your post.

This fucking dad is awesome. Kids these days don't a boot up their ass like they fucking should. My brother and my sister didn't, and they turned out to be entitled fucks who think EVERYTHING SHOULD COME TO THEM.

Obviously this girl assumed the same thing, "Oh boo hoo my life is so hard I have to do chores."
Bull-fucking-shit.

What the dad did was one of the greatest things i've ever seen. He paid for that computer, he laid down rules, hell, he even upgraded it for her! Destroying the fuck out of her computer? Great. Shoulda put more rounds into that bitch.
Also, Rick, Please fucking tell me you are joking.

This post has been edited by Grass: 19 February 2012 - 03:08 AM