You can call it arbitrary, you can call it stupid, you can even call it an illogical fool's philosophy, and you'll never shake my belief. Enjoy your liberation. I'd rather have purpose. It's not like I'm blinding myself to anything, I keep an open mind and continue to read the papers and consider other's views. I simply choose to think positively about the universe and it's existance and meaning. Perhaps it means nothing, perhaps there is no purpose to my life, perhaps I'm simply insane and we're all just animals who have made it too easy for ourselves to live and thrive. Who's to know? I know that murder is a sin, is wrong. That's all I know.
You have confused knowledge and belief. You BELIEVE that murder is wrong.
And I think quite positively about the universe. I just know that it doesn't give two shits about people on a little blue and green rock.
It is irresponsible to beat children. It is irresponsible to raise children to be intolerant. It is irresponsible to not teach children the right way. It is completely responsible to give the child a chance.
The greatest harm you can inflict upon someone, short of death, is brain damage. Why is it that Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is seen as such an awful thing? The brain damage.
Mentally retarded children have fucked up brains which are equivalent to fairly severe general brain damage.
Ergo, giving birth to a mentally retarded child is... let's wait for it... deeply, deeply wrong!
The outcome is the same (mental retardation); it doesn't matter how they got there.
I am willing to hit my head against this brick wall for as long as you are, TD. A mentally incapable PERSON, no matter what you qualify as incapable, has the right to procreate as much as you do, and they deserve it despite how much you look down on them. All logic and reasoning you are, riding high on your ideals and suppositions that you know best for society. Could you stare into a mentally handicapped person's eyes and be the first to tell them that they do not have the right to exist and/or reproduce?
Absolutely. Hell, I told you your mother should have aborted you, what makes you think I'm not willing to tell someone who is mentally retarded the same thing?
Because they perservered, and clawed their way from the dirt from which they were born in. Or, much more likely, they were dragged to their feet, told to sit up straight and to do their homework like robots, taught the right behaviors like dogs, and stifled into becoming a perfectly obedient drone to society who produces and contributes enough to satisfy even your sad idea of worth. I pity you if you cannot see that no matter how much money the engineer makes or how terrible a worker the McDonalds employee is, they both interacted with people, they both made impacts on people's lives, and they both have equal worth.
Society, insurance companies, and reality beg to differ.
Value of an engineer > value of an unskilled laborer. They produce vastly different amounts of useful things for other people. VASTLY. There's a reason why everyone wants engineers, and there is far less demand for unskilled laborers.
Also, its pretty ironic that you're talking about the "right behavior" when you are embracing false values that are "held" by many people who are too cowardly to realize that they don't really hold them. You value that engineer far more than you value that McDonalds' worker, because the engineer brought you your computer, and the McDonalds' worker, unless they work at YOURS, did nothing at all for you.
If you don't like children then say it outright, TD. Say it, and don't have them, and don't let any of your female kilth and kin have any either if it floats your boat. I, on the other hand, love children. My father was a degenerate, his mother was schitzophrentic and his father was bipolar. My mother is scatterbrained and uneducated, and her mother is SOME sort of crazy, yet out of that comes me, sharp as a tack and nothing wrong with me at all. Pretty damn handsome, too, if I say so myself. Genetic abberation? I have three little brothers. None of them are insane. I am going to have a double handful of kids if my wife lets me, and the chances are that one of them's going to have some sort of mental disease like at least three eighths of their genetic material's originators have. Don't care. Because they'd be my kids, my legacy, my descendents that will carry on my bloodline, and you'd have to shoot me to stop me from having them.
I never said I disliked children. If one living creature dwells in the flesh of another, draining nutrients from it to fuel its own growth, we call it a parasite (unless it is a symbiotic relationship, but the baby isn't giving anything back to the mother). A fetus is a parasite, and it is a drain on a woman's health.
You see, you are what is wrong with the world. You are selfish and destructive. The world already has 7 billion inhabitants, and you want to pollute it with a double handful more? If everyone did that, they'd all be eating each other in 30 years. The world can't take even 7 billion sustainably, let alone 35 billion.
Every child you have takes resources away from everyone else on the planet, because in the end the Earth-Sun system is essentially closed. Ergo, resources must be divided between all those who dwell on the planet.
You say murder is wrong, yet you are willing to cause mass murder, democide even, via your reproductive choices, because in the end, if there are 35 billion people, they will kill each other until there aren't. Its simple really - the planet cannot sustain that many people. Ergo, some must die. Be it starvation, or disease, or war, they will die.
Moreover, you are taking resources away from the rest of society. Who will pay for your childrens' education? It costs nearly $100,000 to society to raise a child. If you have 10 children, that's a million dollars. Are you going to pay a million dollars in taxes, PLUS pay back the $100,000 we spent raising you? Hell, more than that really, as your family, being destitute, likely saw a lot of government support. Way to steal from the rest of us, dude.
What was that about where your rights end?
Not everyting in life is about logic. The world doesn't work like that.
The world operates entirely on logic, I'm afraid. What do you think physics are? Why do you think math exists?
This post has been edited by Titanium Dragon: 14 March 2012 - 01:26 AM