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Chapter 71: Just Beautiful

View PostCarmen, on 04 July 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Wow, really, nobody thinks it was wrong for Lucy to invade Mike's privacy? Regardless of intentions she was in the wrong by doing that. Not to mention Lucy told a big ol' lie pretty much, because when she talked about how Mike seemed down he pretty much told her he was only annoyed/bothered/etc around her, so he actually doesn't have any issues.

Though I think yes, he is overreacting some, you have to look at it from his viewpoint-Lucy was someone he was abused by for YEARS and he was finally able to confront her and seemingly get her out of his life, and now she has come right back around like the typical parasite he views her as-she just won't stay out of his life. Would that not bug the shit out of you? ESPECIALLY when it comes to having to deal with it with your girlfriend, who you are finally seeing after so many years? Even with good intentions it's still meddling which is the last that Mike probably wants from Lucy. NOT saying Mike is in the right completely here.

Also, I highly doubt Sandy would dump him over something like this specifically? In any case, guess what, she is probably going to take Mike's side-this is her long-term boyfriend, and probably once she realizes(if she does) that this is the same Lucy from before I don't think she will see any wrong in what Mike did, especially if she is going to hear it from his point of view.

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I'm amazed that Mike goes into berserk mode just by hearing his former friend's name (not to mention still able to hold a deep grudge). I get it that he is still upset for what Lucy had done to him since most of his childhood, but nevertheless, he needs to let bygones be bygones (though easier said than done). Otherwise, Sandy will just turn her back on him.
  • #352

You can't let bygones be bygones if a previous girl who made your life hell is sending texts to your girlfriend.

Man this was such a stupid thing for Lucy to do.

This post has been edited by Vigtyr: 04 July 2012 - 02:06 PM

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The drama begins
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Wow, Mike is really flipping out over Lucy. It's somewhat ironic that Lucy has let go of Mike, but Mike still isn't over what Lucy did to him. Can't blame him really, he was basically abused for years by Lucy, and now he thinks she's interfering in his life yet again. Hopefully Sandy can calm him down and tell him what Lucy said. After all, the message couldn't have been very upsetting to Sandy, if she didn't mention it to Mike until now. Of course, this is presuming Sandy remembers that Lucy was the one who abused Mike.

I believe back in the "December" thread I said that Lucy shouldn't touch Mike's phone. And quite possibly that still holds true. I think Royal_Naga said it best:

Royal_Naga said:

Yes, good intentions don't always lead to good results. No matter how friendly you are with other persons, you don't invade their privacy like that...

So while Lucy might have had good intentions in asking Sandy to take care of Mike, she still shouldn't have touched Mike's phone without his permission.

Also, Borg Lord was right. :O


Ellie said:

Moosack said:

Calling her "flaky" because she doesn't remember the kids she hung out with in (third?) grade is a little strange to me. I can't really get behind that whole "but... we were the best of friends!" fixation that Daisy has for someone who disappeared (from her life) for 7 years.

Exactly. I remember third grade, I had many friends and now I can't remember half of them. Yeah some I might have even considered "best friends" at the time. It's nothing too flaky, just the brain not holding on to unimportant information. (No offense Dasiy.)

If I call Sandy 'flaky', it's only because Taeshi said so. :D

Yes, Sandy forgets things. Hell, she barely remembers that it was Lucy who sent the message to her. But sometimes her actions go beyond mere forgetfulness and into outright flakiness. Daisy and Sandy were best friends in third grade, yet Sandy seemed to forget all about Daisy once she started spending more time with Mike. Not only that, but she never even told Daisy that she was moving to Rickter.
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View PostCarmen, on 04 July 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Wow, really, nobody thinks it was wrong for Lucy to invade Mike's privacy? Regardless of intentions she was in the wrong by doing that. Not to mention Lucy told a big ol' lie pretty much, because when she talked about how Mike seemed down he pretty much told her he was only annoyed/bothered/etc around her, so he actually doesn't have any issues.

Though I think yes, he is overreacting some, you have to look at it from his viewpoint-Lucy was someone he was abused by for YEARS and he was finally able to confront her and seemingly get her out of his life, and now she has come right back around like the typical parasite he views her as-she just won't stay out of his life. Would that not bug the shit out of you? ESPECIALLY when it comes to having to deal with it with your girlfriend, who you are finally seeing after so many years? Even with good intentions it's still meddling which is the last that Mike probably wants from Lucy. NOT saying Mike is in the right completely here.

Also, I highly doubt Sandy would dump him over something like this specifically? In any case, guess what, she is probably going to take Mike's side-this is her long-term boyfriend, and probably once she realizes(if she does) that this is the same Lucy from before I don't think she will see any wrong in what Mike did, especially if she is going to hear it from his point of view.


The problem here is that, well, frankly, we don't know how true that is. Mike said it... but the problem is that there's a damn good chance its not true. Why is this?

1) We've seen Mike snapping at people more lately.

2) Haley, who has to deal with him on a daily basis, notes that Mike gets a "stick up his ass" whenever he gets off the phone with Sandy.

3) We can see this moodiness in the present arc - every time it wasn't Sandy showing up, we can see some major doubts or anger or unhappiness surfacing.

I've seen a lot of people act like this, and its really not a good way to be. And Lucy's text was well-intentioned. She could have easily said something else, but instead she expressed worry over Mike, and we can see right now Mike breaking down.

Mike has worked very hard to convince himself that Lucy is evilbadwrong! lately, and the trouble with doing that is that people tend not to be wholly one thing or another. When your mental model of another person breaks down, denial often results.
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View PostTitanium Dragon, on 04 July 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

The problem here is that, well, frankly, we don't know how true that is. Mike said it... but the problem is that there's a damn good chance its not true. Why is this?

1) We've seen Mike snapping at people more lately.

2) Haley, who has to deal with him on a daily basis, notes that Mike gets a "stick up his ass" whenever he gets off the phone with Sandy.

3) We can see this moodiness in the present arc - every time it wasn't Sandy showing up, we can see some major doubts or anger or unhappiness surfacing.

I've seen a lot of people act like this, and its really not a good way to be. And Lucy's text was well-intentioned. She could have easily said something else, but instead she expressed worry over Mike, and we can see right now Mike breaking down.

Mike has worked very hard to convince himself that Lucy is evilbadwrong! lately, and the trouble with doing that is that people tend not to be wholly one thing or another. When your mental model of another person breaks down, denial often results.


1.I don't feel like Mike has been snappy at others lately unless it's involved Lucy(like with the teacher when he was assigning the pairs/moments with the play). We haven't seen an awful lot of him lately as well, so it is kind of hard to go by anything. I could be wrong so examples would be awesome if anyone can find any!

2. I think Taeshi said somewhere on her formspring that Haley's interpretation of Mike isn't totally correct? Because Haley can be bothersome or something like that? If wacko wants to help me out on this hahaha(I'll try to find it). Plus, if there is total truth in the statement, I assume he'd be in a bad mood because he probably hates having to get off the phone with Sandy anyway.

3. I think that all of his reactions in this arc are totally understandable and explainable. He has had his fall outs with trying to meet up with Sandy before(as mini-flashbacked on one of the pages) and those are bad memories and the fact that this could very easily be one of them all over again is probably really stressful and worrying. Not to mention his nerves are probably wrecked, considering the situation itself.

Like I said, even well-intentioned she shouldn't have done ANYTHING. She should have known that the best thing she could have done for Mike was just stay out of his business and personal life completely, because that's what he wanted from her. Mike is breaking down because he thinks that it's going to be impossible to ever be able to fully get rid of Lucy. How can he know it's well intended anyway?

While I agree with your last point pretty much, I also think it was Lucy that eventually pushed him to the point he's at with her. I think it's hard to see the light of goodness in someone after you've actually realized the shit they've been really putting you through for years.
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I find it slightly amusing that we go straight to assigning blame when it is so obvious that neither party is a paragon of virtue and completely in the right. :smirk:

However, what we see of Michael now is not at all his most flattering side - just like Lucy was not seen in a very positive light in arcs like Vacation, or at least in pieces thereof. The question of whether his reactions are understandable or not is well-placed, but if we are talking about his mistakes, then it is quite irrelevant. Likewise, anyone holding up Lucy's intentions and good deeds will have to realise that she is also to blame, inevitably.
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View PostILB, on 04 July 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

I find it slightly amusing that we go straight to assigning blame when it is so obvious that neither party is a paragon of virtue and completely in the right. :smirk:

However, what we see of Michael now is not at all his most flattering side - just like Lucy was not seen in a very positive light in arcs like Vacation, or at least in pieces thereof. The question of whether his reactions are understandable or not is well-placed, but if we are talking about his mistakes, then it is quite irrelevant. Likewise, anyone holding up Lucy's intentions and good deeds will have to realise that she is also to blame, inevitably.


Both are crazy, hormonal teenage cats and that pretty much explains itself.
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And that is something we can, and must, all agree on. ^_^
  • #360

Hey long time no see and all that jazz. *looks at page 9 then goes back to 3* It's the same guy! XD Does that show have one security guy tonight anyway....*reads page* Aww nice surely nothing to ruin my getting good...*reads latest page*...mood. Excuse me *goes to the closet and loud scream is heard, comes out* I feel better but seriously Mike Lucy is your friend (and slight romance interest) not a demon from the underworld that is destined to make your life a misery.

(Sorry but I wanted to make my return to this forum a little entertaining I promise not all my comments will be like this.)

Edit: Can I also ask why all the library sections (minus Time Capsule) are locked?

This post has been edited by dragonmaster77: 05 July 2012 - 01:26 AM

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The threads in the Library have been deemed to have no further use and are locked so that no one can necromance them.


Carmen said:

2. I think Taeshi said somewhere on her formspring that Haley's interpretation of Mike isn't totally correct? Because Haley can be bothersome or something like that? If wacko wants to help me out on this hahaha(I'll try to find it).

Would this be what you're looking for?

Carmen said:

Plus, if there is total truth in the statement, I assume he'd be in a bad mood because he probably hates having to get off the phone with Sandy anyway.

As Taeshi said, Mike got grumpy when he wasn't talking to Sandy.
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View Postwacko, on 05 July 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

The threads in the Library have been deemed to have no further use and are locked so that no one can necromance them.


I see well I will miss the Recess section.
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Ah carmen, you are wonderful. It's great to see someone who isn't all over Lucy and demonizIng the poor Mike.

And oh man oh man are we going to get another TD and ILB fight?!
Of course, I use the term fight loosely, but still
  • #364

I'm surprised Lucy was able to send a text and not having Mike pick up on it earlier. Even if Lucy deleted the history on his phone, you'd think Sandy would text something back to him that would make him suspicious.
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View PostPurin, on 05 July 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm surprised Lucy was able to send a text and not having Mike pick up on it earlier. Even if Lucy deleted the history on his phone, you'd think Sandy would text something back to him that would make him suspicious.


Plot-hole? :O
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View PostPurin, on 05 July 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm surprised Lucy was able to send a text and not having Mike pick up on it earlier. Even if Lucy deleted the history on his phone, you'd think Sandy would text something back to him that would make him suspicious.


What if only the number was off Mike's phone and the message sent via another one?
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Sure, assuming Lucy has a cell phone, that could be a possibility.
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That doesn't really make much sense. You can't just send a text from one phone and have it be recognized as another phone. More than likely, Lucy deleted what she sent to Sandy off Mike's phone.

Unless Mike is totally unobservant to how iPhone's work, which again doesn't make much sense considering he stared holes into his phone after Lucy left
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And oh man oh man are we going to get another TD and ILB fight?!
Of course, I use the term fight loosely, but still


Highly unlikely, what with religion and philosophy being so far out of the picture. :smirk:

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Unless Mike is totally unobservant to how iPhone's work, which again doesn't make much sense considering he stared holes into his phone after Lucy left


Oh, but the explanation to that is simple - Sandy could just have sent back an appreciative message, and Michael would have, as it were, misunderstood. Or she could have sent a reply to Michael, saying that she loved him, missed him, or something along those lines.
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Given that Sandy knows it was Lucy who texted her using Mike's phone, she may not have seen any need to respond to the message (because Lucy most likely wouldn't still continue to be on the other end).

However: would Lucy have been familiar enough with the iPhone to know how to delete a sent message? Is it easy to do? I know little about iPhones myself. Although I am assuming even if Sandy had sent a relatively innocuous text back, Lucy's sent text would still have remained visible on the screen (unless Sandy actually sent several texts in a row).
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View PostAce, on 05 July 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

That doesn't really make much sense. You can't just send a text from one phone and have it be recognized as another phone. More than likely, Lucy deleted what she sent to Sandy off Mike's phone.


Point to me where it was stated and confirmed that the message was sent from Mike's phone?

I might just have seriously missed it but I cannot remember such a mention.
  • #372

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It's based on what Sandy said to Mike on the current page: "She texted me on your phone..."
  • #373

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I'm interested in seeing how Sandy reacts to Mike's flipping out.
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I have the hope that Sandy will be able to calm Mike down and tell him exactly what Lucy said. Then maybe Mike can get past that and just focus on Sandy.
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View Postwacko, on 05 July 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

I have the hope that Sandy will be able to calm Mike down and tell him exactly what Lucy said. Then maybe Mike can get past that and just focus on Sandy.


and most likely able to try and make up with Lucy for how he has treated her as of late as well.
  • #376

That text was Lucy's form of closure, though. Regardless of what malice Mike thinks it entails.
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View Postwacko, on 05 July 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

It's based on what Sandy said to Mike on the current page: "She texted me on your phone..."


Thank you. I missed that.
  • #378

I'm glad to see that the comic is still going strong and continues to be both interesting and engaging. No complaints here.
  • #379

Just read the latest page and I have to say I'm impress. Sandy has shown to be far more understanding and probably sympathetic to the situation (not to mention mature) and for that, kudos for her. :D

As for Mike, he really needs to hear from Sandy what Lucy actually wrote and not get the wrong impression as always.
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Oh shit, what is this? A plot development? :x
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  • #381

My theory is still possible.
  • #382

Gosh Sandy sure is awesome
  • #383

YES! She's showing him what Lucy said! Yes! :D
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View PostNintendoSegaSonyGuy, on 06 July 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

YES! She's showing him what Lucy said! Yes! :D


Woah, calm your shit bro.
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I can't imagine how long they were standing there sifting through their message history. One week of texting could be like thousands of messages. I guess it's easy to point out an actual written sentence amidst all the emoticons and xoxoxoxo texts.

This page does clarifies things a bit. I appreciate how Sandy is handling this conflict. I don't think this really makes her "flaky". She did follow on Lucy's word of not to say anything back, but at the same time she isn't being dishonest with her boyfriend about what tipped her off about his sadness. And through it all, she seems very understanding thus far. So maybe she isn't good at keeping in touch with people, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to dislike her. We never really heard Sandy's perspective on her faded friendship with Daisy, even though it is just assumed she merely had forgotten about her when she moved away from Roseville.
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I hope that this will finally end Mike's hatred of Lucy and he can try to apologize for acting they way he did to her.
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View PostPurin, on 06 July 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

I can't imagine how long they were standing there sifting through their message history. One week of texting could be like thousands of messages. I guess it's easy to point out an actual written sentence amidst all the emoticons and xoxoxoxo texts.

This page does clarifies things a bit. I appreciate how Sandy is handling this conflict. I don't think this really makes her "flaky". She did follow on Lucy's word of not to say anything back, but at the same time she isn't being dishonest with her boyfriend about what tipped her off about his sadness. And through it all, she seems very understanding thus far. So maybe she isn't good at keeping in touch with people, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to dislike her. We never really heard Sandy's perspective on her faded friendship with Daisy, even though it is just assumed she merely had forgotten about her when she moved away from Roseville.


Well the thing is that there is no reason to hate Sandy because we know very little about her, the problem is this forum is that there are lots and lots of fanboys/girls around Mike and Lucy ass. No point in trying to convice them. So far I'm having the feeling that Sandy will be the mature person in the relationship between them, that's if there is a relationship after. All no matter what you people say the relationship that Mike and Sandy shared until now was kinda Shallow. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that some things might change now they are going to spend more time together.

Like someone mentioned before: They are teenagers, they are going to make stupid mistakes and believe that they are the center of the world (*cof* Mike *cof*) or be extremely bosnian (*cof* Lucy *cof*). Some people mature faster, other slower, by this I don't say that they aren't doing wrong (Hell they are). But you can't go around judging them that easily.
  • #388

Sandy's gay. You're gay.
  • #389

Finally we will know what lucy wrote to sandy, but the most important thing will be Miguel after knowing it
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I agree, I like how Sandy is handling this. She's not mad at Lucy, and she's keeping Mike calm. Then again, Sandy's older than Mike, and she already has plenty of experience in dealing with high-pressure situations. I don't think Mike really realizes how lucky he is to have Sandy as his girlfriend. Especially when he's getting all upset over nothing, the big pussy. (Mike actually reminds me a bit of myself, because I can make mountains out of molehills too. :unsure: )

Hopefully Lucy's words will make it clear that she has let go of Mike, and that she wants Sandy to make him happy. And hopefully Mike realizes this and finally lets go of his anger at Lucy, and just enjoys the rest of his time with Sandy.

I don't think this minor drama will really affect Mike and Sandy's relationship in any material way. And given they only have the one evening together, they won't have enough time to really explore their relationship and decide where they want to go with it. So there has to be something else that'd upset the apple cart... :x


Purin said:

So maybe she isn't good at keeping in touch with people, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to dislike her. We never really heard Sandy's perspective on her faded friendship with Daisy, even though it is just assumed she merely had forgotten about her when she moved away from Roseville.

I think it's more than just assumed. Taeshi's made it pretty clear that Sandy's a rather forgetful person. Not only did she forget about Daisy, she also forgot about Lucy, even though Lucy hung around Mike and Sandy most of that summer after third grade, and Sandy even invited her more than once to join in their activities. Then again, third grade was a whole six and a half years ago, and Sandy by now may have matured enough to be more mindful of keeping in touch with her close friends.
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Maybe this wasn't as stupid as I thought. As long as she comes completely clean about everything anyway.
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With regard to Sandy forgetting about Daisy, perhaps this is just a headcannon of mine, but sometimes I'm not so sure how much I'd trust Daisy's characterization of their friendship. For example, consider the opening to Helping Hands. Even though she's a genius academically, she can be somewhat oblivious socially. I mean, she was essentially the last one to figure out that Abbey had a huge crush on her. With regards to friendships, she wants to be liked so much that maybe she imagines more to her interactions than actually exists. Maybe Sandy is someone who would be nice to her and sometimes play with her, but did not actually consider Daisy too much as a friend. This probably falls more in the category of an alternative interpretation, but it does sort of fit with how the rest of Daisy's story has played out (and makes her backstory a but more tragic), in addition to being a bit more sympathetic to Sandy.
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...Well, now. I don't even feel like putting up "Living On A Prayer" this time. Hmmm...



Mike hates Lucy.

View Postwacko, on 06 July 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

I agree, I like how Sandy is handling this. She's not mad at Lucy, and she's keeping Mike calm. Then again, Sandy's older than Mike, and she already has plenty of experience in dealing with high-pressure situations. I don't think Mike really realizes how lucky he is to have Sandy as his girlfriend. Especially when he's getting all upset over nothing, the big pussy. (Mike actually reminds me a bit of myself, because I can make mountains out of molehills too. :unsure: )

Hopefully Lucy's words will make it clear that she has let go of Mike, and that she wants Sandy to make him happy. And hopefully Mike realizes this and finally lets go of his anger at Lucy, and just enjoys the rest of his time with Sandy.

I don't think this minor drama will really affect Mike and Sandy's relationship in any material way. And given they only have the one evening together, they won't have enough time to really explore their relationship and decide where they want to go with it. So there has to be something else that'd upset the apple cart... :x


Heh... That'd be nice. Did I call this? I don't remember.
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This is progress, even if it is slow. I doubt Michael will turn away the evidence of his own eyes, especially not given Sandy's presence. Then again, I also doubt he will do an instant turnaround. Likely as not, explanations will now commence. ^_^

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I'm glad to see that the comic is still going strong and continues to be both interesting and engaging. No complaints here.


Why, *Ninja, it has been ages since last time. How have things been treating you? :love:
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Not dead yet (though that may be subject to change) and still unfortunately busy (and that is not subject to change). It's quite refreshing to see that this comic and its community continues to thrive. It reminds me that there may yet be something that's right in the world. Or at least not far wrong. ;)
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Catalyst said:

With regard to Sandy forgetting about Daisy, perhaps this is just a headcannon of mine, but sometimes I'm not so sure how much I'd trust Daisy's characterization of their friendship. For example, consider the opening to Helping Hands. Even though she's a genius academically, she can be somewhat oblivious socially. I mean, she was essentially the last one to figure out that Abbey had a huge crush on her. With regards to friendships, she wants to be liked so much that maybe she imagines more to her interactions than actually exists. Maybe Sandy is someone who would be nice to her and sometimes play with her, but did not actually consider Daisy too much as a friend. This probably falls more in the category of an alternative interpretation, but it does sort of fit with how the rest of Daisy's story has played out (and makes her backstory a but more tragic), in addition to being a bit more sympathetic to Sandy.

I think this is a good point. Daisy has always been insecure about herself, and she's always wanted people to like her and for boys to be attracted to her. So she attaches quite a lot of importance to personal relationships, perhaps more than she should. She's rather jealous of people like Lucy who always seem to receive attention without exerting any effort. And given how she rationalized away Katie not having invited her to a sleepover, Daisy's take on relationships could very well be warped by her insecurities. Not that this really excuses third-grade Sandy for having suddenly dropped her friend Daisy in favour of Mike (and the relationship chart does specifically state that Daisy used to be best friends with Sandy), but really, Daisy needs to learn to become more comfortable and confident of herself as a person so that she can move on from incidents like that (which was something Augustus recognized). Furthermore, Daisy should realize that people always change and friendships always come and go throughout life, and so in that context, it'd be irrational for her to still be upset about Sandy even six and a half years later. It's past time she moved on from that, but oh, how childhood insecurities can affect us later in life...
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WARNING: what follows is NOT a spoiler, but it is indeed an unjustified wall of text. Unless you are interested in the lenghty rants of a stranger from the other side of the world (that would be me, pleased to meet you) you can merrily skip to the next post!

Spoiler


I guess we'll know something more in the next hours and days, but i keep my hopes high.

Cya

This post has been edited by Cavara: 08 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

  • #398

Sorry but Taeshi's pretty much confirmed that Michael hates Lucy, correct me if I'm wrong anyone. There is no "love" there, hasn't been for a while though it certainly did exist at some point in their lives.

The whole argument about Mike being "jealous"/still attached/etc especially in scenes where she is with others like Paulo or Augustus is pretty easily explainable and can be, IMO, taken two different ways. The first way is simply the fact that Lucy is just confirming Mike's ideas of her-that she just needed him as purely a security blanket, and when she looses that security blanket she is simply going to hop to another one, never having a true, honest relationship with anybody-this would also cancel out her confession which maybe had been her last redeeming hope with him, because he did seem genuinely disturbed over it, not to mention Lucy had been slightly fixing up her attitude previously. So she takes this possible ray of hope and smashes it by becoming an absolute bitch the day after the confession and attaching herself to different boys because she's needy, making Mike frustrated and annoyed.

The second one is simply that even though Mike hated Lucy/was reaching "peak hatred" with Lucy, they have grown up together, and it's still going to be tough to let go. I don't think Mike initially forgot about all their good times or the time when he cared romantically for her, or else he would have probably completely dropped her much faster. Mike isn't some mindless jerk hate machine, it took a build up for him to reach the point he got to, and having to jump between remembering the few good times but remembering the fact that Lucy was verbally, physically, and kind of sorta emotionally abusive towards him probably sucked. I don't think this difficulty indicates old feelings of love are "still there" or that it should negate Mike's hate for her, just that it is simply part of probably anyone's process of trying to rid poison from their lives despite an extensive history with said person. I don't think he forced himself to hate her at all, it probably came very naturally to him once he hit his realization, but forcing himself to except that he needs to get away from her for good? Maybe.

This post has been edited by Carmen: 08 July 2012 - 11:24 PM

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d'aaaw, that's so... sad? I'm pretty conflicted on how I feel about her text. It's sad that she promises never to bother someone she really likes, but it's sweet and kinda heart felt. Or am I just reading it wrong?
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