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Chapter 71: Just Beautiful

  • wacko
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I don't think Sandy was texting anyone. She seemed to be scrolling back through previous texts from Mike.
  • #451

  • ILB
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I found so much elation in the video Taeshi posted. ^_^ My goodness, how the world turns.
  • #452

That video was pretty freaking awesome. XD

It makes me laugh thinking of all the BCB Art meme's with Sandy as the worst character. Seems like soon enough she is going to be the favourite what with her sensibleness. At this rate Mike can kiss goodbye to the chance to put his tongue in her mouth.

The nice half of this chapter is over. BRING ON THE emotional PAIN!!!
  • #453

View PostRC!, on 11 July 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

I wonder if any Sandy haters can keep it up? She's really sweet and sensible. Mike is really being immature about all this, though. I want to know who Sandy was texting a few pages ago, though.


They never had much of a reason in the first place. Just upset shippers. Any real fans of Lucy would realize that December was a good thing to happen to Lucy, as now she knows she has to strive to become a better person for it.

As soon as she stops being a mope anyway.
  • #454

Anyone think this text might be a way for Mike to reconcile with Lucy and start rebuilding the rubble that is their friendship?

Now I am not saying this rebuilding will happen overnight, but maybe it could happen?
  • #455

No. It's over for them. Go back to your cave.
  • #456

I don't think it would happen at all. As Jerk and Carmen brought up, she still invaded his privacy, and no matter the intentions and/or result, he's still well within his rights to be really really pissed off at her for it.
  • #457

Well I guess I would have to say my suggestion had high hopes, but I still say it has some merit. As I said before it is not going to happen overnight, or even for a while, but Sandy does seem to sypathize with Lucy in a small way. Maybe she will help mend the destroyed friendship of Mike and Lucy.
  • #458

View Postwacko, on 11 July 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Are you saying that the way Lucy treated him over years wasn't abuse? Yes, Lucy used Mike as an emotional crutch, but not only that, she also physically hit him (hard!) and insulted him on numerous occasions. That's not how one should be treated by a friend, and Sandy was absolutely correct to point that out. Mike deserved to be treated better than that, if Lucy was indeed his friend. That's not entitlement, that's just called treating people the way you'd want to be treated.


The part that bothered me the most about "December" was how Mike's justification for hating Sandy seemed to focus so much on the physical abuse. Yes, throughout most of the early comics, Lucy will often hit Mike, and these actions would constitute actual assault in the real world. However, the early comics play the violence for laughs and treats them as comedy. In comparison to what Lucy does to some other characters (for example, launching Paulo skyward with a kick or making his head bleed when she throws him through the glass popcorn case), Lucy's treatment of Mike seems more akin to playful shoves than actual abuse. Suddenly expecting the reader to reinterpret this slapstick humor as actual abuse did not sit right with me.

Part of the reason I dislike the focus on the physical abuse, however, is that I think that Mike is perfectly justified in hating Lucy for her emotional abuse without even taking into consideration any type of violent behavior. Many early comics show how Lucy jerks Mike's emotions around, for example, how she kisses him after "Confrontation," yet returns to her tsundere ways the next day. Indeed, Taeshi really poignantly makes the point in "Pillow Talk" when Lucy recalls pushing Mike away after he kisses her. It's these scenes, not those of Lucy's cartoon violence against Mike, that make me sympathize with Mike. He's tired of the mixed messages, dealing with the crazy emotional highs and lows, and the constant frustrations of dealing with someone who just encases her real emotions in the façade of her surly personality. In contrast, although Taeshi has not revealed too much about Sandy to the reader, she seems much more open and honest, which is likely part of her appeal to Mike. I also agree with AllJustShadesOfGray: any residual feeling Mike held for Lucy were likely crushed when she pursued Paulo (and later Augustus) right after confessing her love for Mike. Those actions confirmed his belief that Lucy didn't actually love him; she just needed someone onto whom she could cling. He believes (correctly or not) that Lucy's confession was just a lie, simply a manifestation of her dependency issues and not an actual expression of love.

Did Mike go a bit too far in "December?" Probably. Should he apologize? I think the answer here is no. Some people often forget that, of all the characters in BCB, Mike knows Lucy best. While he's probably not motivated to act in her best interests, he knows that apologizing to her would just give her false hope, and she would likely misinterpret his apology as an attempt to be friends again. Perhaps his decisions were colored by his interactions with Daisy in "Love My Way." He had to very forcefully and cruelly reject Daisy in order to finally get her off of his case (and it may have not worked completely). It's probably flawed logic to think that the same approach would work with Lucy, but that may play into his reasoning for his actions in "December."

This post has been edited by Catalyst: 12 July 2012 - 12:28 PM

  • #459

View PostRC!, on 11 July 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

I wonder if any Sandy haters can keep it up? She's really sweet and sensible. Mike is really being immature about all this, though. I want to know who Sandy was texting a few pages ago, though.

It was possibly her mom.

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 12 July 2012 - 09:34 AM

  • #460

Time to start bashing Mike to death and woshipping Sandy like a god.

Brilliant.
  • #461

View PostCatalyst, on 12 July 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

View Postwacko, on 11 July 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Are you saying that the way Lucy treated him over years wasn't abuse? Yes, Lucy used Mike as an emotional crutch, but not only that, she also physically hit him (hard!) and insulted him on numerous occasions. That's not how one should be treated by a friend, and Sandy was absolutely correct to point that out. Mike deserved to be treated better than that, if Lucy was indeed his friend. That's not entitlement, that's just called treating people the way you'd want to be treated.


The part that bothered me the most about "December" was how Mike's justification for hating Sandy seemed to focus so much on the physical abuse. Yes, throughout most of the early comics, Lucy will often hit Mike, and these actions would constitute actual assault in the real world. However, the early comic play the violence for laughs and treats them as comedy. In comparison to what Lucy does to some other characters (for example, launching Paulo skyward with a kick or making his head bleed when she throws him through the glass popcorn case), Lucy's treatment of Mike is seems more akin to playful shoves than actual abuse. Suddenly expecting the reader to reinterpret this slapstick humor as actual abuse did not sit right with me.

Part of the reason I dislike the focus on the physical abuse, however, is that I think that Mike is perfectly justified in hating Lucy for her emotional abuse without even taking into consideration any type of violent behavior. Many early comics show how Lucy jerks Mike's emotions around, for example, how she kisses him after "Confrontation," yet returns to her tsundere ways the next day. Indeed, Taeshi really poignantly makes the point in "Pillow Talk" when Lucy recalls pushing Mike away after he kisses her. It's these scenes, not those of Lucy's cartoon violence against Mike, that make me sympathize with Mike. He's tired of the mixed messages, dealing with the crazy emotional highs and lows, and the constant frustrations of dealing with someone who just encases her real emotions in the façade of her surly personality. In contrast, although Taeshi has not revealed too much about Sandy to the reader, she seems much more open and honest, which is likely part of her appeal to Mike. I also agree with AllJustShadesOfGray: any residual feeling Mike held for Lucy were likely crushed when she pursued Paulo (and later Augustus) right after confessing her love for Mike. Those actions confirmed his belief that Lucy didn't actually love him; she just needed someone onto whom she could cling. He believes (correctly or not) that Lucy's confession was just a lie, simply a manifestation of her dependency issues and not an actual expression of love.

Did Mike go a bit too far in "December?" Probably. Should he apologize? I think the answer here is no. Some people often forget that, of all the characters in BCB, Mike knows Lucy best. While he's probably not motivated to act in her best interests, he knows that apologizing to her would just give her false hope, and she would likely misinterpret his apology as an attempt to be friends again. Perhaps his decisions were colored by his interactions with Daisy in "Love My Way." He had to very forcefully and cruelly reject Daisy in order to finally get her off of his case (and it may have not worked completely). It's probably flawed logic to think that the same approach would work with Lucy, but that may play into his reasoning for his actions in "December."


If only all those bashers of Mike in the comments knew all this. They may give him a break I reckon.
  • #462

  • wacko
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Indeed, I think Catalyst makes some astute observations.
  • #463

MIKE IS BEING ONE STRESSED OUT FRUITCAKE
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  • #464

View PostShishkebab, on 12 July 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

MIKE IS BEING ONE STRESSED OUT FRUITCAKE
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good image
  • #465

View Postdragonmaster77, on 12 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

View PostCatalyst, on 12 July 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

View Postwacko, on 11 July 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Are you saying that the way Lucy treated him over years wasn't abuse? Yes, Lucy used Mike as an emotional crutch, but not only that, she also physically hit him (hard!) and insulted him on numerous occasions. That's not how one should be treated by a friend, and Sandy was absolutely correct to point that out. Mike deserved to be treated better than that, if Lucy was indeed his friend. That's not entitlement, that's just called treating people the way you'd want to be treated.


The part that bothered me the most about "December" was how Mike's justification for hating Sandy seemed to focus so much on the physical abuse. Yes, throughout most of the early comics, Lucy will often hit Mike, and these actions would constitute actual assault in the real world. However, the early comic play the violence for laughs and treats them as comedy. In comparison to what Lucy does to some other characters (for example, launching Paulo skyward with a kick or making his head bleed when she throws him through the glass popcorn case), Lucy's treatment of Mike is seems more akin to playful shoves than actual abuse. Suddenly expecting the reader to reinterpret this slapstick humor as actual abuse did not sit right with me.

Part of the reason I dislike the focus on the physical abuse, however, is that I think that Mike is perfectly justified in hating Lucy for her emotional abuse without even taking into consideration any type of violent behavior. Many early comics show how Lucy jerks Mike's emotions around, for example, how she kisses him after "Confrontation," yet returns to her tsundere ways the next day. Indeed, Taeshi really poignantly makes the point in "Pillow Talk" when Lucy recalls pushing Mike away after he kisses her. It's these scenes, not those of Lucy's cartoon violence against Mike, that make me sympathize with Mike. He's tired of the mixed messages, dealing with the crazy emotional highs and lows, and the constant frustrations of dealing with someone who just encases her real emotions in the façade of her surly personality. In contrast, although Taeshi has not revealed too much about Sandy to the reader, she seems much more open and honest, which is likely part of her appeal to Mike. I also agree with AllJustShadesOfGray: any residual feeling Mike held for Lucy were likely crushed when she pursued Paulo (and later Augustus) right after confessing her love for Mike. Those actions confirmed his belief that Lucy didn't actually love him; she just needed someone onto whom she could cling. He believes (correctly or not) that Lucy's confession was just a lie, simply a manifestation of her dependency issues and not an actual expression of love.

Did Mike go a bit too far in "December?" Probably. Should he apologize? I think the answer here is no. Some people often forget that, of all the characters in BCB, Mike knows Lucy best. While he's probably not motivated to act in her best interests, he knows that apologizing to her would just give her false hope, and she would likely misinterpret his apology as an attempt to be friends again. Perhaps his decisions were colored by his interactions with Daisy in "Love My Way." He had to very forcefully and cruelly reject Daisy in order to finally get her off of his case (and it may have not worked completely). It's probably flawed logic to think that the same approach would work with Lucy, but that may play into his reasoning for his actions in "December."


If only all those bashers of Mike in the comments knew all this. They may give him a break I reckon.


This combination of posts through quotes is EVERYTHING I have to say, but better. Thank you for saving me the trouble.


...also... Taeshi posted a video? Where?

This post has been edited by AllJustShadesOfGray: 12 July 2012 - 07:41 PM

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View PostAllJustShadesOfGray, on 12 July 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

...also... Taeshi posted a video? Where?

Find it yourself you lazy faggot.
  • #467

  • wacko
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Now now, Jerk. Not everyone pays attention to what Taeshi says. :D

AllJustShadesOfGray: here you go. It's LackLuster's video, as originally posted in this thread.
  • #468

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I laughed.
  • #469

After reading the latest page, I bet Mike didn't saw that one coming.

It was a good thing Sandy did what she has to do and if she has to slap him a dozen time to put some common sense in him, then I say, go for it. 8-)
  • #470

Go, Sandy! Knock some sense into that motherfucking asshole! :D

So now Mike is wishing death upon Lucy? Harsh. Like, really, REALLY harsh. :(
  • #471

Don't make Mike's mistake: know your audience, you autistic nigger faggots.
  • #472

Mike just jumps from one abusive relationship to the next. What rotten luck. Whiny masochist.

This post has been edited by Purin: 13 July 2012 - 04:17 AM

  • #473

A lot of if not all the BCB problems would probably be solved if Lucy did die.
huuurrr

But anyway, god bless Sandy, she is really magnificent.
  • #474

That could make for a fun side comic. What BCB life would be like without Lucy around.

Edit: Actually, it might be pretty boring if there were no problems...nvm

This post has been edited by Purin: 13 July 2012 - 05:00 AM

  • #475

YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED MORE OF? ANGST.
  • #476

Last panel. Foreshadowing? (probably not, but a guy can hope, right?)

This post has been edited by Catalyst: 13 July 2012 - 05:11 AM

  • #477

I thought Sandy would be pretty generic and just be a mindless lover of Mike. Not by any fault of Taeshi--merely that that was designated to be her nature; that she would be a plot device to just make Mike all happy and generate conflict between Mike and Lucy.

But, nope! I'm loving her character so far--she seems to have her head on straight while still being very gentle and kind (gentle, as I don't imagine a slap that would make a "bap" sound effect would genuinely hurt). Although, I wonder: in the nature of this comic, everyone except for some minor characters and, uh, David, have inner conflicts and trouble and such. Does that mean Sandy will, too, or will she actually simply be the solution to the problem that she unwittingly set in motion by existing and being Mike's boyfriend?

I think at this point she's one of my favorite characters, which is funny, considering how little I've seen of her. But ahhhh she's just so friendly and nice and to some extent rational! Which is more than you can say for Mike. I'm not gonna go so far to say he doesn't deserve her, since he's just another angsty teenager and I'm assuming (praying) he didn't mean that "death" comment.
  • #478

bad kitty! say that again and you get the spray bottle!

oh Mike, you angst-ridden little fool.
  • #479

Ouch, way to add fuel to the anti-maishul crusade I guess.
But seriously, I think Mike is cuter when he's in angst :P

This post has been edited by Cavara: 13 July 2012 - 07:37 AM

  • #480

Oh yeah, Mike was talking all that good shit just a second ago. Then he got slapped in the face. Serves him right.
  • #481

Wow. That's some serious hatred. I wonder how Mike is going to react to being hit by Sandy.
  • #482

View PostChewySmokey, on 13 July 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

bad kitty! say that again and you get the spray bottle!

oh Mike, you angst-ridden little fool.


It will be more effective if she screams out loud has Mike is weak against loud sounds.

Ontopic: Saying that someone "must die" is really dark, there is obvious context and context. But right now saying something like that because you don't want to believe that even if you got abused by a girl you did have your share of being-a-jerk moments. The thing is that Mike and Lucy problems aren't black and white like most fanboys try to make it look:

- Poor Mike he is the victim, being bullied by a girl
- Poor Lucy she is all alone

Mike don't realize that his words maybe will become true has it seems that Lucy might try to kill herself.
I don't blame him for being a moody teenager, HELL if I make shitload of mistakes at his age! If things go on both Lucy and Mike will end being insolated from their friends.
Happynes is a rare luxury that not Mike or Lucy should waste if they can obtain it... Lucy will likely bee "forever alone" with that bosnian attitude while mike will end losing his relationship with Sandy if he lives on by hating other person.

View PostCatalyst, on 13 July 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

Last panel. Foreshadowing? (probably not, but a guy can hope, right?)


One day Mike will come to class with Lucy's head on a plastic bag... just kidding

This post has been edited by Royal_Naga: 13 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

  • #483

Sandy looks just so mature in comparison to Michael, it's almost like a mom teaching her cub not to hate his friends for a childish quarrel.

This post has been edited by Cavara: 13 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

  • #484

Well sandy is still hitting has that damn
  • #485

I can understand Mike saying that. We all have at some point wished someone would die whether it's a bully at school, a parent, a sibling or even a friend your having a fight with <-(this applies to all bout the bully). Sure we have never said it out loud but we have said I wished such and such would die in our heads I believe. As for Mike he may hate Lucy but I don't this he really wishes death on her

This post has been edited by dragonmaster77: 13 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

  • #486

OH MY GOD SANDY HIT HIM SHE IS A TERRIBLE PERSON SHE DOES WHAT LUCY DOES BURN HER
  • #487

View PostNimbus26, on 13 July 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

After reading the latest page, I bet Mike didn't saw that one coming.

It was a good thing Sandy did what she has to do and if she has to slap him a dozen time to put some common sense in him, then I say, go for it. 8-)



Actully looking at the last panel, judging by the way Sandy's hand is and the fact the sound effect word is BAP and not SLAP. I think she just bapped Mike on the nose upwards.

This post has been edited by dragonmaster77: 13 July 2012 - 03:38 PM

  • #488

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Sandy is quite mature, yes. Too bad she's dealing with obstinate Mike. (Stop acting like me, Mike.)

The light bapping of Mike's nose to 'correct' him would be hilarious if not for the fact that it would totally remind him of the way Lucy used to hit him. I don't think he's going to be happy with that little comparison in his mind, and he definitely wouldn't be happy with being treated like a little kid the way Sandy's doing. He might well flare out at Sandy, or get cold and passive-aggressive with her. In fact, I now wonder what the chances are of Mike himself destroying this relationship?

Of course, what Sandy says is true, but Mike's not ready to hear it yet. The problem is, he's been abused by Lucy for years, and he kept his feelings bottled up, and only released his fury on Lucy a week ago. Having put up with it so long, it would take him quite a while to get over it and deal with his feelings. So just one week later, it'd be entirely natural for him to still see Lucy as interfering in his life by using his phone without permission to text Sandy (of all people). No wonder he wishes Lucy would get out of his life.


Lux Aeterna said:

... by existing and being Mike's boyfriend?

If Sandy were Mike's boyfriend, that'd definitely be something interesting to learn about her. ;)
  • #489

Granted, wacko, there's no guarantee he'll be able to see her that often, so it's kind of important that she says what she does now--because her words might not give off the same effect, considering some of the communication would be lost by phone.

So, even if he's not ready to hear it, it's still a good idea to at least get his mind on the possibility of making up with her--to think about later, if he can't do it now (well, he shouldn't dote on it now anyway, since his girlfriend is here).

View Postwacko, on 13 July 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Sandy were Mike's boyfriend, that'd definitely be something interesting to learn about her. ;)

OH GOOD GOD at first I had "Mike being her boyfriend" or something like that and I forgot to change it. ;__;
  • #490

View PostRoyal_Naga, on 13 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

View PostChewySmokey, on 13 July 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

bad kitty! say that again and you get the spray bottle!

oh Mike, you angst-ridden little fool.


It will be more effective if she screams out loud has Mike is weak against loud sounds.

Ontopic: Saying that someone "must die" is really dark, there is obvious context and context. But right now saying something like that because you don't want to believe that even if you got abused by a girl you did have your share of being-a-jerk moments. The thing is that Mike and Lucy problems aren't black and white like most fanboys try to make it look:

- Poor Mike he is the victim, being bullied by a girl
- Poor Lucy she is all alone

Mike don't realize that his words maybe will become true has it seems that Lucy might try to kill herself.
I don't blame him for being a moody teenager, HELL if I make shitload of mistakes at his age! If things go on both Lucy and Mike will end being insolated from their friends.
Happynes is a rare luxury that not Mike or Lucy should waste if they can obtain it... Lucy will likely bee "forever alone" with that bosnian attitude while mike will end losing his relationship with Sandy if he lives on by hating other person.


Happiness is a state of being, you cannot 'obtain' happiness. Events don't make people feel the way they do, it's their perception of the events that causes their emotions.

I hardly think Lucy can stand herself. A lot of rampant self-esteem issues are present in her. I bet she is very mean to herself. Why does Lucy feel so sad? Probably because she believes everything Mike said in Chapter 68 is completely true and that she cannot change anything. While it's true she can't change what other characters are going to do, she can change her behavior and her perception of the world and herself. She needs to learn how to be her own best friend before conflict will resolve itself. That's not going to happen for quite a while, but she's going in the right direction. (hopefully x:) Some people will probably have to keep leading her in the right direction because she simply won't find it on her own.

This post has been edited by JjinttaSet: 13 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

  • #491

Rereading, I'm seeing how Mike's perspective is distorted.
Lucy is definitely a tomboy. Casual violence is a key facet of male bonding. Mike is a wuss.
Put two and two together and you get a pussy pussy.
  • #492

The last panel proves that my theory is still possible.
  • #493

Next time you post that stupid fucking comment nobody cares about I'll ban you.
  • #494

^Not sure who you're referring to... did you delete the post in question???

(...slightly paranoid that I'm the one who pissed Suitcase off.)

View PostJerk, on 12 July 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

View PostAllJustShadesOfGray, on 12 July 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

...also... Taeshi posted a video? Where?

Find it yourself you lazy faggot.


I tried, but then got bored of trying like a lazy faggot. :D
  • #495

View PostAllJustShadesOfGray, on 13 July 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

(...slightly paranoid that I'm the one who pissed Suitcase off.)


Don't worry, you wouldn't be the first or the last one.

Admins are supposed to be angered by stupid shit. It's their job.
  • #496

Surprise, surprise. You twits are easily confused by something right the fuck in front of you. Again.

View Postfalconboy99, on 06 July 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

My theory is still possible.

View Postfalconboy99, on 09 July 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

It's been three updates and my theory still is possible.

View Postfalconboy99, on 11 July 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

With a little tweak, my theory is still plausible.

View Postfalconboy99, on 13 July 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

The last panel proves that my theory is still possible.

View PostSuitCase, on 13 July 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

Next time you post that stupid fucking comment nobody cares about I'll ban you.

  • #497

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JjinttaSet said:

Probably because she believes everything Mike said in Chapter 68 is completely true ...

Lucy may have believed that at the start, but after the events of "Piece of Cake", she now knows that Paulo still cares for her. Hence Mike is incorrect in one point at least: not all of Lucy's friends will leave her. She can still count on Paulo, and it will most likely be Paulo who leads the way out of her current melancholy.

Even though Sandy's encouraging Mike to air things out with Lucy, I still think it's far too soon for the two to talk. They both need time apart so they can deal with the fallout of "December" and their feelings relating thereto. Lucy needs to discover that she can count on her other friends as well, and Mike needs to let go of his anger and put what Lucy did to him past him. An honest talk with Lucy would've been a good strategy when Mike started getting angry at her abuse and dependency on him, and that's probably what Mike should have done at that time. He didn't though, and now they both need to cool off and deal with their shit before they can come together again.
  • #498

Saying "it's possible" is like saying what the author has already determined is still up for debate, and the fact that you can't see it yet means it could be right. Or wrong.
It's the Schrodinger's Cat, which is pointless anyway once you drive a pickaxe through the box.

This post has been edited by Dr. Klaus: 13 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

  • #499

  • ILB
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A lot of if not all the BCB problems would probably be solved if Lucy did die.
huuurrr


This is possible. Then again, a slew, stack, sight and even spate of other problems would soon arise. :smirk:

Oh dear, this is just slightly unexpected - then again, it was also an unexpected slight. Michael, you are now crossing the line; much as there is reason for your anger at Lucy, that slap was entirely justified. Just be happy that Paulo is not nearby, you cranky Korat you are. ^_^

On a completely unrelated note, I find great amusement in the correlation between the spoken word "Bad!" and the onomatopoeia "Bap".
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