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Chapter 71: Just Beautiful

Honestly, I think Lucy would kiss the soil Michael walks upon.
It's not like she doesn't want to see him ever more. She just feels like she isn't allowed to.
  • #751

View PostCavara, on 08 August 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Honestly, I think Lucy would kiss the soil Michael walks upon.
It's not like she doesn't want to see him ever more. She just feels like she isn't allowed to.


God that would be terrible. Lucy needs to stand on her 2 feet. *Sigh* After this, I'm not even sure I WANT LucyxMike to happen. It would be terrible for both of the people involved.
  • #752

I don't think Lucy will "kiss the soil Mike walks on" anymore. The question is will she begin to kiss someone elses ass or will she stand on her own for once and woman up?
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I agree that the only reason Mike even went near Lucy's house was because Sandy told him to talk to her. Otherwise, he probably wouldn't have bothered; his reluctance to talk to Lucy was shown two pages ago.

I think Lily recognizes, correctly, that Lucy just can't deal with Mike right now. So she simply tells Mike to leave. Here, Lily's looking after Lucy: it's way too soon for Lucy to be able to talk to the person who's hurt her so painfully. The two really do need some separation for a while, so that they both can heal.

Fortunately Lucy recognizes that she can always count on Paulo. I hope she will reach out to her other friends too. I think she'll eventually learn to stand on her own two feet, with the support of her friends. (Of course, Mike is no longer her friend at this point, a fact that she will need to deal with.)

Yashy seems dismayed at Flea leaving. She's really obsessed with the Mike×Lucy OTP, isn't she? Perhaps the last page will be Lucy finally telling Yashy the truth: that Lucy was never Mike's girlfriend, and that Mike already has Sandy.
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I'm not sure if Lucy reaching out to Paulo right now is the best idea. He is having a mini drama cyclone of his own and throwing Lucy in will just make it worse since she is part of his drama already. I also believe if she reaches out to him she will end up being dependent on him because of the accepting nature Paulo has. Lucy needs to reach out to one of her other friends who will help her but do not have a personality that will make her dependent on them.

I think Yashy already knows. She's just in denial.
  • #755

It really appears that Lily knows exactly what happened. Her words suggest a hint of anger and a lot of disappointment, so simply having him go away for the two of them to heal cannot be the whole story. So yeah, I'm guessing part sympathy, part protectiveness and definitely some anger and disappointment aimed at Mike. It wouldn't be out of character for Lily to get Lucy talking, after all, she's done it before.

However, I highly doubt Lucy would've told Yashy anything. If she had, Yashy would be PISSED. In the past, Yashy has not hesitated to lash out at Mike for unjustified reasons, so the justified ones would really get her to rage. Furthermore, Lucy has gone to great pains not to let Yashy know they're not dating, so I doubt Lucy would be willing to tell her.
  • #756

I meant that Yashy kinda gets that they aren't really together on their own, but is in denial because she WANTS them to be. Yashy is pretty smart, I think she can figure stuff out without people telling her but she still has a childish hope and innocence that leads her to try and pretend everything is normal even though she must have noticed Lucy's depression.
  • #757

View Postcrystalgardian, on 08 August 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I'm not sure if Lucy reaching out to Paulo right now is the best idea. He is having a mini drama cyclone of his own and throwing Lucy in will just make it worse since she is part of his drama already. I also believe if she reaches out to him she will end up being dependent on him because of the accepting nature Paulo has. Lucy needs to reach out to one of her other friends who will help her but do not have a personality that will make her dependent on them.


Lucy does have plenty of other friends she can reach out to, but it's Paulo who goes out of his way the most for her. It's hard to tell how much of an impact his attempt to visit her and having their short phone conversation has left on Lucy. Paulo basically told Lucy he misses her, which is her little glimmer of light in the wake of Mike unleashing on her his built-up emotions. Whether or not Lucy and Paulo ever get really close doesn't matter too much because he's made it clear he is there for her no matter what. Other than Mike, he is the only other person she really trusts. I'd be surprised if she doesn't open up to him first about everything that has happened. Anyways, if she decides to seek console from someone even at all, her best bet would be with him.

I'm not sure what you mean by her becoming dependent upon Paulo. If you mean as him becoming her new emotional crutch, then I'd have to to disagree. Paulo has dealt with her whiny bullshit before. The difference between Mike and Paulo is that Paulo tells you straight up when you are doing something in the wrong. Mike just internalizes it or dismisses it. Paulo would never let his friendship with Lucy get to a boiling point as it did with Mike. She needs someone who accepts her for what she is right now, even if she has a lot of maturing to do. She'll get there someday.
  • #758

It still seems as if she could become dependent on him. And I think she needs to learn to trust others through this, not rely on someone she already trusts. Falling back on old crutches is never good.
  • #759

What? How? Why?

What?
  • #760

I hope the next page is Lucy growing some lady balls and telling Yashy her OTP ship sang months ago. You know, like she should have done months ago?
  • #761

Lily did the right to tell Mike off, considering what he had done to Lucy in the "December" chapter. The two really need to be separated to let old wounds heal for the moment. It's good to know that Lucy's pets are one of the few who are sympathetic to her plight.

As for Yashy, she really needs to know that anything that happened between Mike and Lucy is over.
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View PostNimbus26, on 08 August 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Lily did the right to tell Mike off, considering what he had done to Lucy in the "December" chapter. The two really need to be separated to let old wounds heal for the moment. It's good to know that Lucy's pets are one of the few who are sympathetic to her plight.

As for Yashy, she really needs to know that anything that happened between Mike and Lucy is over.

You know, Mike came by and sought Lucy on his own accord, which I assume Lily was aware of. At the very least she should let the kid have his piece before kicking him out of sight.
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View PostMoosack, on 08 August 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostNimbus26, on 08 August 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Lily did the right to tell Mike off, considering what he had done to Lucy in the "December" chapter. The two really need to be separated to let old wounds heal for the moment. It's good to know that Lucy's pets are one of the few who are sympathetic to her plight.

As for Yashy, she really needs to know that anything that happened between Mike and Lucy is over.

You know, Mike came by and sought Lucy on his own accord, which I assume Lily was aware of. At the very least she should let the kid have his piece before kicking him out of sight.

Not to be a Mike hater, but he did NOT come of his own accord. He came because Sandy told him to man up not realizing how badly he'd hurt Lucy and only because he doesn't want to piss his girlfriend off. And he didn't even mean to come this soon! He ended up there during random wanderings in which he was trying to sort out his feelings. He needs to say his piece, yes. But when he really means it and actually makes a decision on his own instead of following others around when they lead him with carrot sticks. This false apology now would only have excaberated the problem.
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crystalgardian said:

I'm not sure if Lucy reaching out to Paulo right now is the best idea. He is having a mini drama cyclone of his own and throwing Lucy in will just make it worse since she is part of his drama already. I also believe if she reaches out to him she will end up being dependent on him because of the accepting nature Paulo has. Lucy needs to reach out to one of her other friends who will help her but do not have a personality that will make her dependent on them.

You're right, it might not be the best idea. Someone like Sue might be a better choice. And that might be exactly why Lucy deliberately kept the conversation short with Paulo last chapter. She doesn't want him to become a security blanket for her, as Mike was.

However, Paulo has shown that he's available and willing to listen to Lucy, and furthermore Lucy likes him as well. The problem where Paulo is concerned is that he has a crush on Lucy, and yet he's currently in a relationship with Jasmine. I foresee him eventually breaking up with Jasmine and getting closer to Lucy. Of course that could be bad from the point of Lucy potentially becoming dependent on someone else, however Paulo could probably put up with her antics way better than Mike ever could. Lucy and Paulo have rather similar personalities, so they get along quite well.


crystalgardian said:

I think Yashy already knows. She's just in denial.

Actually, Yashy still doesn't know. See also this.


Carcharocles said:

It really appears that Lily knows exactly what happened. Her words suggest a hint of anger and a lot of disappointment, so simply having him go away for the two of them to heal cannot be the whole story.

I would tend to agree with you. Lily knows, or at least suspects, more than she lets on.

This post has been edited by wacko: 08 August 2012 - 07:20 PM

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View Postcrystalgardian, on 08 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostMoosack, on 08 August 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostNimbus26, on 08 August 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Lily did the right to tell Mike off, considering what he had done to Lucy in the "December" chapter. The two really need to be separated to let old wounds heal for the moment. It's good to know that Lucy's pets are one of the few who are sympathetic to her plight.

As for Yashy, she really needs to know that anything that happened between Mike and Lucy is over.

You know, Mike came by and sought Lucy on his own accord, which I assume Lily was aware of. At the very least she should let the kid have his piece before kicking him out of sight.

Not to be a Mike hater, but he did NOT come of his own accord. He came because Sandy told him to man up not realizing how badly he'd hurt Lucy and only because he doesn't want to piss his girlfriend off. And he didn't even mean to come this soon! He ended up there during random wanderings in which he was trying to sort out his feelings. He needs to say his piece, yes. But when he really means it and actually makes a decision on his own instead of following others around when they lead him with carrot sticks. This false apology now would only have excaberated the problem.


Those are my feelings exactly. It's moments like these when I wish I had the power to enter the universe of the stuff I read. I would tell Mike straight up to his face how badly he'd hurt Lucy and that he should be better, also the fact that he should think for himself. Then I'll give him an ultimatum. Figure out how you really feel about Lucy and learn to freaking work your problems out or just leave the table now, like he was planing to do.

You know it's funny, when Mike said he leave the table we all thought it was hilarious and he is taking things way out of proportion but really it would signify the end of everything. It may not be the most flashy way of doing it but that's what it does. Poor Mike, now you're the one that's all alone.

He is disappointing me more and more. I hope he can make the right decisions in the comic. :(

This post has been edited by AllJustShadesOfGray: 08 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

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View PostAllJustShadesOfGray, on 08 August 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Poor Mike, now you're the one that's all alone.


He wouldn't be alone! He'd have his girlfriend whom he sees for 15? 20? minutes every five years!
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AllJustShadesOfGray said:

I would tell Mike straight up to his face how badly he'd hurt Lucy and that he should be better, also the fact that he should think for himself. Then I'll give him an ultimatum. Figure out how you really feel about Lucy and learn to freaking work your problems out or just leave the table now, like he was planing to do.

We already know exactly how Mike feels about Lucy. The only reason he even went to her house was because of Sandy.

Also, what about how badly Lucy had hurt Mike over the years? Of course, that doesn't excuse Mike for becoming vindictive at the end, but he did need to stand up for himself at some point.
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View Postcrystalgardian, on 08 August 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Not to be a Mike hater, but he did NOT come of his own accord. He came because Sandy told him to man up not realizing how badly he'd hurt Lucy and only because he doesn't want to piss his girlfriend off. And he didn't even mean to come this soon! He ended up there during random wanderings in which he was trying to sort out his feelings. He needs to say his piece, yes. But when he really means it and actually makes a decision on his own instead of following others around when they lead him with carrot sticks. This false apology now would only have excaberated the problem.

The "man" up part about hurting her in the first place is an apology for the sake of apology. We shouldn't forget the large amount personal pain Mike had gone through for Lucy, and regarding the current situation, Lily does not have the foresight to see that Mike's not doing it solely because he wants to, so it's really just her rejecting him outright. You can bring that moral dilemma to a head, but Lily doesn't know, and it really shouldn't matter. Apologies suck and it's harder to do so the longer one puts it off--even a fake apology suggests that one is willing to humiliate him or herself to mend a situation. Saying so won't fix anything between them, but I do foresee some more drama upcoming simply because Lily slammed the door before he could say a word. I get the feeling that because it hasn't happened now, we will not hear the words "I'm sorry" from Mike for a long time.

This post has been edited by Moosack: 08 August 2012 - 09:29 PM

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I personally can't understand people who can make fake apologies. As in, I don't understand how one is capable of such a thing. Not as a moral issue but an actual event; I cannot, literally, make a fake apology. I can only apologise if I feel I'm at fault somehow.
  • #770

Judging by the look in his face in the page's final panels, I'd say he's definitely feeling guilty at this point. It's entirely possible that Mike didn't realize how bad she'd take it. Acting without thinking is the modus operandi of a teenage boy (young adults too.) So he may have been there because Sandy told him, but it does appear that now he is probably genuinely sorry.
  • #771

Short version: Lucy did not cause much harm to Michael in my opinion anyway

Long version:
Spoiler

  • #772

Unfortunately, it's been shown that she was significantly more abusive toward Mike than most of the archive shows. For instance, she bloodied his nose and kicked his knee so hard he could barely stand. There's also the Pokemon chapter where Abbey, Paulo and Mike had the shit beat out of them for dawing at her showing affection to her pets. We didn't really notice it in those contexts because it was played for laughs, and while Mike did go too far, claiming she didn't hurt him much is flat out wrong.

This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 08 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

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Maybe this will make it clearer.


(Yeah, Lucy's been punching and insulting Mike for years. That was the purpose of the flashback sequence in "December", to show that it wasn't merely playful rough-housing or isolated events. And that was when Mike finally stood up for himself and told Lucy why she wasn't a good friend.

And yes, Lucy's also done the same thing to other characters, Paulo included, but it was Mike who bore the brunt of the abuse.)

This post has been edited by wacko: 08 August 2012 - 11:06 PM

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View PostthetaEpsilon, on 08 August 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I personally can't understand people who can make fake apologies. As in, I don't understand how one is capable of such a thing. Not as a moral issue but an actual event; I cannot, literally, make a fake apology. I can only apologise if I feel I'm at fault somehow.

It's about being tactful. There are going to be situations in which you are completely in the right, possibly both morally and technically, but the offended party will not budge. Why bother playing that game of arbitration when you can just swallow your pride? I'm not talking about changing what you believe in, but at least put in the effort to grant someone this formality. You don't have to admit any guilt in an apology, the sympathy resides in the fact that you and x person do not see eye to eye.
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View Postwacko, on 07 August 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Mikanada said:

There really isn't that much of a difference between the two. Although it sometimes goes way out of sync, like with the Summer Arc. The recent chapters are throwing it out of sync again as well.

Comic time has not been in sync with real time since the end of chapter 41, "Moving On".

Well it became fairly in sync again around chapter's 60-62, fell out sync with chapter 63, in sync at chapter 68, and now with all the recent chapters it is once again out of sync.
  • #776

Yashy will run away and be with his own kind for a while to cope with the pain.
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Lucy was under that pile of snow? Didn't know that.
  • #779

Dammit Mike, push the midget out of the way! You're on a mission, dammit! >:(
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View Postwacko, on 08 August 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Maybe this will make it clearer.


Yeah, that is well known nonsense. Poor girl doesn't know what she is talking about.
The alien conspiracy clearly got her already.
I rest my case.
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View Postabowden, on 08 August 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

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The first page in the chapter that isn't a cliff hanger-hooray!

[] Told.
[] Damn, he got told.
[] It sure is getting told in here.
[x] Welcome to Told Stone Creamery.
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This gets better, I pity yashi

the truth hurts
  • #783

Fine-fucking-illy yes. Also that might be the best Yashy face ever, I would be so happy if the last to pages of this chapter were just that face pasted over and over again.
  • #784

Wait WHY is Yashy shocked? I mean she's known Mike was dating sandy since that Halloween arc.... Is that no longer cannon or something?
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View PostMaxcine99, on 10 August 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

Wait WHY is Yashy shocked? I mean she's known Mike was dating sandy since that Halloween arc.... Is that no longer canon or something?

she never actually knew, it was shrugged off as Mike spouting nonsense in a drugged state.
http://www.bitterswe...om/c60/p18.html
that is what you meant, right?

This post has been edited by ChewySmokey: 10 August 2012 - 05:16 AM

  • #786

I recall a moment way back when when Yashy knew about Sandy. This was during the pencil sketch chapters. Supposedly, she just forgot or something. Unless Taeshi changed the dialog when the Volume 1 book came out, I'm pretty sure it's a plot-hole... In the Halloween chapter, Mike and Lucy kind of danced around the subject for the sake of Yashy. She can tell that there's tension between the two lovesick cats. But yeah, it's a little strange...


Regarding the new page: And so the truth comes out...in the most hurtful and jarring way possible. I hate Yashy, so I was kinda hoping for this to happen like it did. But was this really both the finished page and the last page in the chapter? The last panel of Yashy leaves a lot to be desired artistically. The vague, empty space to the right... I expected a descent of panels of Yashy, going from a mortified/shocked expression to a very sad/bleak/hopeless one. NOT TO MENTION, where's the "The End" thing in the bottom right hand corner? Isn't that usually to officially signal the end of the chapter?

Er, whoops. I'm sorry; I didn't notice the page count change to 33 instead of 31. So there will be more. :P

This post has been edited by NintendoSegaSonyGuy: 10 August 2012 - 05:17 AM

  • #787

Kinda glad that fially happened.. Yashy annoyed me with the Mike/Lucy forced shipping thing. Kinda reminded me of Pearl from Phoenix Wright.
Anyways, I'm glad there's two more pages. It just wouldn't be right ending it like this.

This post has been edited by Raven: 10 August 2012 - 06:02 AM

  • #788

man, I can't get over how awesome Lucy looks in the first panel, great shading :love:
  • #789

Gah, eyeless Lucy is SCARY.
I mean.. scarier than usual! :unsure:
  • #790

And so the truth comes out.

And either Yashy's little heart is crushed.

Or she goes into denial and possibly a rampage.
  • #791

Man, the idea of Mike being Yashy's surrogate father just became kind of ridiculous.
I mean, I know it's just a story about teen cats and I can't be realistic about it, but...
I hope Yashy won't be all in tears because of the whole "divorce" thing. It would be just too much :)

This post has been edited by eniena: 10 August 2012 - 01:23 PM

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Oh neat, two more pages. 8-D I guess the final two pages will indeed be about Lucy explaining things to Yashy and consoling her. About time, too. Wonder if there could be actual character development for Yashy?


NintendoSegaSonyGuy said:

I recall a moment way back when when Yashy knew about Sandy. This was during the pencil sketch chapters. Supposedly, she just forgot or something.

Yes, that is correct. Page two of "A Difficult Choice". No dialogue changes on that page. Taeshi explained it away by Yashy deeming it a dumb rumour and forgetting about it afterwards.

Of course, after that Lucy kept trying to hide Sandy from Yashy in order to protect her innocence (in chapters 32, 43 and 60). Perhaps Yashy was actually a proxy for Lucy's feelings: so long as Lucy denied the fact of Sandy to Yashy, she could still hold out hope for Mike (as Yashy did). But now that it's been made all too clear that Mike is no longer her friend, and she's accepted that fact, it's time for Yashy to face the truth. (And so the angst spreads to the pets...)

Also, I do believe we may have hit upon the upper-left scene in LOL VARIOUS SPOILERS, with Yashy reaching towards Lucy. Except that Lucy chose to hide behind a bush rather than a snowman, but that's just a minor detail.
  • #793

Well if Yashi isn't crushed enough by that news she could spend the next two pages reporting the assorted degrees of "he loves you" that she has enjoyed in December. XD
  • #794

Seeing Yashy's expression followed by Lucy's outburst was quite stunning. Quite sad, but at least now she knows the truth. :(

I'm willing to bet that Yashy will now treat Mike with nothing but disdain and contempt for his action.

Anyway, looking forward to the last two pages next week.
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View Postwacko, on 08 August 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

AllJustShadesOfGray said:

I would tell Mike straight up to his face how badly he'd hurt Lucy and that he should be better, also the fact that he should think for himself. Then I'll give him an ultimatum. Figure out how you really feel about Lucy and learn to freaking work your problems out or just leave the table now, like he was planing to do.

We already know exactly how Mike feels about Lucy. The only reason he even went to her house was because of Sandy.

Also, what about how badly Lucy had hurt Mike over the years? Of course, that doesn't excuse Mike for becoming vindictive at the end, but he did need to stand up for himself at some point.


Yes I agree that he did. But how he's going about it is making him a tremendous douchebag. I feel more terrible about this than I should because I identified with in the most and set him as the main protagonist in my head. Now it's all going bonkers. D:

On another point... Ah Yashy, that's what I thought too... me too.
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View Postwacko, on 10 August 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Also, I do believe we may have hit upon the upper-left scene in LOL VARIOUS SPOILERS, with Yashy reaching towards Lucy. Except that Lucy chose to hide behind a bush rather than a snowman, but that's just a minor detail.


So, how many of these scenes have played out? I kinda rushed my way through the chapters, and while I've seen a few, I can't place the others.
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View PostChewySmokey, on 10 August 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

View PostMaxcine99, on 10 August 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

Wait WHY is Yashy shocked? I mean she's known Mike was dating sandy since that Halloween arc.... Is that no longer canon or something?

she never actually knew, it was shrugged off as Mike spouting nonsense in a drugged state.
http://www.bitterswe...om/c60/p18.html
that is what you meant, right?

Yeah I thought it was this (whoops!) and like someone else said in the pencils chapter before halloween I remember lucy pretty much telling her and yashing asking her how she felt/something like that. And Yashy looking back at Mike sadly, which appears to either have been changed or remembered wrong either way my bad. If this is the first time she's finding out thank you! D: It's SOOO annoying having her keep pushing them together, plus its weird she hasn't told her. I do think Lily should let Mike apologize if thats what he was going to do...
  • #798

I'll be honest, I've liked Yashy and her various attempts to bring together Mike and Lucy. Though now it seems that my only hope for a fun, happy, angst-free chapter lies with David... Oh well, I suppose Yashy had to find out sometime.

Also, I'm slightly creeped out by Lucy's power to make her own eyes vanish (Mike's got Slendercat after him, poor guy).
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View PostMasterchef, on 11 August 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

I'll be honest, I've liked Yashy and her various attempts to bring together Mike and Lucy. Though now it seems that my only hope for a fun, happy, angst-free chapter lies with David... Oh well, I suppose Yashy had to find out sometime.

Also, I'm slightly creeped out by Lucy's power to make her own eyes vanish (Mike's got Slendercat after him, poor guy).

DavidXFlower Girl is some angsty shit, I tell you what.
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