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Amanda Todd commited suciude on october 10th 2012, because of being bullied. 2 years ago she was in a online chatroom with people she knew, they asked her to flash her boobs and she did. A year later a guy said unless she went with him one on one, he would send pictures of her breasts to everyone. She didnt and a week later police showed up at her door, the pictures were sent all over. She became depressed and her anxiety was off the charts. She changed schools and she was fine for a month, but the guy caught up with her and sent the pictures to everyone at her school. Then everyone hated her, her friends left her and she became even more depressed. After 2 girls attacked her at school, she drank bleach trying to kill herself. She was rushed to a hospital where she was saved. When she looked on facebook everyone said to do it again and just die. She tried many times and finally succeed on wednesday october 10th 2012. This event comes with a lesson, dont put something on the internet youll regret because it never goes away.

Welp, unpopular opinion time.

A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4. She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. Fuck you! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

We should be talking about the ones who were bullied and managed to survive through it all. The success stories. Because that's what gives kids hope, the ones who know what it's like to be in their shoes. The ones who have walked that road before and came out ok.

What kind of message does it send to impressionable teens that if you go ahead and kill yourself that you will get thousands of likes on a facebook page and everyone will feel sorry for you and give you attention? If you have any self respect for the future then you'd stop and think about where your morals are. If you're too confused with your emotions and common sense, then just get off the internet entirely. No one wants to read your idiotic comments and your emotion filled rage tantrums.

tl;dr Stop giving pity to a dead girl. Give it to the ones who deserve it.

Wow, I just exploded.../endrant

KiraDood5, on 14 October 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

THANK YOU! Everone feels bad for her, but she chose to flash and she paid for it. Unless everyone who killed themselfs because of bullies get praised, no one should. You made great great pionts kiradood and I agree with you fully

This post has been edited by DeathfromAbove: 14 October 2012 - 01:40 AM

KiraDood5, on 14 October 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

I agree with (most) of this but...

I don't think you wrote that, buddy.

You guys shouldn't be shaming people who are sexually active and are experimenting with their bodies and socializing about them. That's an awful and dehumanizing attitude.

This post has been edited by Seppucrow: 14 October 2012 - 04:13 AM

Okay, so, for starters, I find what CJSBiliskner posted to be completely hilarious. But, like a good chunk of that post, what I find funny is pretty pointless. I noticed two fundamental flaws with that bulleted list; flaws that a fan page like 4chan does not have the self-respect to ever care about or correct (I've corrected fan pages before and they are infamous for spreading misinformation for popularity).

I will strike out everything irrelevant in that list, and I will place an ironic, superscript number next to everything that needs a source.

KiraDood5, on 14 October 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

As for the rest, it is the copy and paste opinion of every up-and-coming, newage liberal who is convinced he or she knows how this world works. People like this can typically be spotted by certain aspects of their behavior; a few examples are as follows:

• Attempting to be edgy
  
• Not getting mad [over the Internet]
  
• Spending countless hours stealing memes from funnier people
  
• Spending countless hours creating memes (that usually aren't funny)
  
• Finding people with things they don't agree with, and reacting with annoyance, displeasure, or hostility
  
• Unable to grasp the simple concepts of logic, but still claim it proves everything they state
  
• Enjoy dry spaghetti Almost never provide proof for anything they say
  
• If they provide "proof" for a claim, it is usually awful and untrustworthy
  
• Expect people to act in ways that are not biologically or psychologically possible for them (debatable)
  
• Often have good points, but their poor ability to perceive basic existentialism and logic leaves most of things they say SHORT-SIGHTED

I'm not impressed by some random shit posted on a fan page that has never impressed me. Amazing how these people can claim hypocrisy as a logical counter-argument (It isn't, by the way, that is actually a common fallacy) while simultaneously making all these claims and not providing a drop of fucking evidence. Don't get me wrong; I know what these liberals are trying to say/do, but they're going about it in an uncalculated, pseudo-intellectual fashion (See: short-sightedness). People are naturally swayed by sensationalism. Is it fair? No. But that doesn't mean this girl should be demonized; it doesn't mean these people should be hated; and it doesn't mean their concerns are misplaced, though, maybe a bit unjust in the grand scheme of things.

Welcome to reality.

CJSBiliskner, on 14 October 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT
*MGS1 Encounter music plays*

sorry it does kinda make you look like an asshole

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yeah wow i mean how unfair is it for that girl to get so many likes on facebook, i bet she was planning for that attention all along so she could enjoy playing the victim what a vile little attention whore

oh wait she actually cannot enjoy the support and mourning BECAUSE SHE'S FREAKEN DEAD

what a load of nonsense. Regardless of what she did, whatever blame game that occurred, a young girl was still pushed to kill herself. Killing yourself is not some lah-dee-dah thing that you just do, there is no advantage to it. There is no going back. You have to be pretty deep in despair to do that, and people need to be aware of those signs so they can stop other people from doing it. That's why it's good to acknowledge what has happened rather than "focus on someone else", the ideal situation is to be able to be there for everyone that suffers :U

Loads of girls have had pictures or videos of their boobs or worse put on the internet and didn't die because of that. But besides all the stories, truths and make ups there's a teenager who committed suicide. I will give her pity and simpathy regardless of her motives, and I will never be ashamed about it.
Truth is, it is always comfy to feel sympathetic or outraged when we read the news, it makes you feel better than the "bad guys in the story". Much less comfy is to actually care for the real people around you, so that you can tell when they are silently screaming for help with their actions, and maybe stretch an helping hand.
It's the same old sad story, and I don't think turning it into just another exercise of "find out who is to blame the most" would do any good.

Regardless of what she did or why she did it, it's important to remember that the girl is freakin dead guys. I mean Jesus no matter how you spin it this girl, even if she was young and impulsive, still honestly thought the only way out of this situation was to kill herself. Slut-shaming her is just terrible to do right now when she obviously needed some real help here and its still a tragedy that she killed herself because no one ever told her that what some little shits from high school though about her will not matter the second after you graduate. And jeez that guy still tried to take advantage of her, is everyone just going to ignore that fact?

Yes we do need to focus on the cases of bullying still going on today but don't start saying "Oh well she doing it of her own free will her fault, no one else's!" She was 15 years old, do you remember some of the dumbass shit that you did/do at 15? Don't try to act all high and mighty because she slept with people, when the reason she probably did it was because it was the only way she could feel liked. Have some sympathy for a girl who was pushed to take her own life, having apathy in this situation is just about the worst thing you can do for bulling.

Lesson of the Day: Don't Be A Dumbass.

What are you talking about.

Worst poster of the Day: Dr. Klaus

I don't know, Meowth. KiraDood5 and DeathFromAbove are still some pretty terrible posts in here.

KiraDood5 for posting a copied post that pretty much shames the girl for her level of sexual activity and DeathFromAbove for being terrible enough to agree with the post

Yay, I'm a terrible post.
(feeling so accomplished right now)

Ya, sometimes I'm stupid.

I somewhat admire her courage to actually comit suicide but thats just the easy way of getting rid of ALL your problems. But the guy did take it to far to follow her to her new school. Some pepole are just mentally unstable to begin whith.

bluefox, on 15 October 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

She is a hero to us all.

Meowth, on 15 October 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

I wish I was as strong as someone who had that sort of courage. True Hero.

Pants, on 15 October 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Yup, a girl who commited sucuide as our role model. Seems like a good idea

This post has been edited by DeathfromAbove: 15 October 2012 - 02:43 AM

Teen girl does dumb shit, over-emotes and self-destructs. Color me surprised.

I fail to see how she is a hero.

Meowth, on 15 October 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Don't you mean AN HERO?
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE







pleasegodhelpme

looks like we found the biggest fag in the bcb forums

Why does this suicide get special treatment?

Read the thread.

I think I'm more impressed with Klaus's courage to post outside the pony thread.

Purin, on 15 October 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

It's not that impressive. The frequency and concentration of my posts in the pony thread has recently taken quite a dive. There's a gap from Sep. 8 to Sep 28., and only 4 posts so far in October. The influx around Sep. 29th was because of the convention.

Kaxbe, on 15 October 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Only the biggest.

DeathfromAbove, on 15 October 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

bluefox, on 15 October 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

KiraDood5, on 15 October 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Let me break this down for you so you can understand why we both made a post using sarcasm

1) Bluefox makes a very rude, childish and unthoughtful comment regarding the situation

bluefox, on 15 October 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

2) Meowth and I both mock this, by commenting how we find her to be a role model (Hero). Our responses are so ludicrous in responding to Bluefox, that a normal person would understand that we are using sarcasm to mock how absurd and puerile his post is.


And attempting to be edgy in your responses after clearly copying something, instead of being frank and admitting you just copied another post isn't funny or ironic KiraDood5. Your just being a douchebag. Please let your balls drop and grow up, being 14 means you have a lot to learn in life and you clearly need to being doing something more productive then random postings on cat forums that show how you have poorly developed social skills.

This post has been edited by Pants: 16 October 2012 - 04:09 AM

Ueahhhhhhh

Pants, you are in rare form this evening.

I, for one, don't think there are enough suicide girls.

Im sorry my rudeness and ignorance is showing. I try to keep them in check.

Pants, on 16 October 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

Here's a shock, butI actually agree with you full-heartedly.
When I read those posts now, I just say "Holy shit, Kira, you shifted into maximum retard there", and I just forget about them. I admit, I can act like a total faggot without noticing, but I can learn from my past mistakes and move on. Believe it or not, I'm not THAT big a douche, I'm actually a pretty nice and easy-going guy once you get to know me well. I just take nothing seriously. Sure, I'm bound to make some moves that are absolutely stupid, but don't we all? I'm not one of those generic kids on the internet who can't take criticism, oh no, I'm far from that, I just need to be more cautious about my actions.
tl;dr I'm a huge faggot, but I'm one who can learn from his shortcomings.

She brought it all on her self so im soory to say I dont have no sympathy for her. Im just a heartless monster I guess. And I assumed it was sarcasm but it's hard to tell whith no tone of voice. It takes courage to comit suicide I no I wouldn't be able to do it no matter how bad something happend to me because I value my little life to much.

bluefox, on 17 October 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

At least you admit it.

bluefox, on 17 October 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Now we're just beating a dead teenage girl horse.

I'm not sure what to think about this Amanda Todd thing.

The first thing about it all is exactly what happened. I don't know, and I'm sure most of you can't recount the tale word for word either. It's the same situation that happens a lot on the internet. I've seen so many entirely different viewpoints and scenarios that I have absolutely no idea which one is correct. I'm not the type of person to make judgements unless I'm nearly positive the information I know is fact, and now you see my problem (hopefully). There's no way for me to make an honest judgement because there's no way to tell what's true and what's false. At the same time, I have an impulse to call all of you out for making your judgements even though you probably don't know the facts either. If you do, please share. But I digress, I won't act on my aforementioned impulse because that would be douchey.

The second thing about it all is my standpoint on suicide. I may probably will get bitched out for this paragraph, but whatever. To me, suicide is just... It's just stupid. I've had thoughts of suicide myself in the past, but I got over them pretty quickly when I realized how much pain I'd be causing everyone around me. It's like the grenade mentality form The Fault in our Stars. If you die now, it'll only be like a grenade of emotional trauma and turmoil exploding. You are the grenade, and everyone around you is caught in the blast and sub-sequentially terribly emotionally wounded. The only thing your death will accomplish is hurting the people around you more than you may think you already are. At the same time, however, I recognize that depression may blot out logic and prevent this trail of thought from connecting in your head. I figure I probably just wasn't depressed enough for that to happen. Or maybe I was just a sniveling teenager who wasn't actually truly depressed at all. That's ishkabibble at this point. Anyway, enough about me, this thread is about the late Ms. Todd. The previous paragraph comes into play here, because it's the critical hinge of whether I care or not. If Amanda was truly a victim of depression, something pretty bad (the bullying mentioned in previous posts, possibly) must've happened to do that. But, it may also not have been depression, it may have been teen angst like what I may have almost succumbed to. Either way, she still committed suicide, which is bad. But the teen angst way makes me less inclined to care. I may be entirely wrong though, and the "second way" I've created never actually leads to suicides, just thoughts of it. Anyway, I'm over self-analyzing this. There's also no way to know if she was really depressed or not, because she's dead now.

So, all in all, the biggest judgement I can make here is that she was pushed to the point of suicide, and that's bad. But why make such a huge deal about it? There have been thousands of others that have done the same thing. In fact, there have probably been more than a few teens that have committed suicide in the last week since she did. Instead of focusing on Amanda Todd and her oh-so-tragic story, let's focus on ending teen depressions and suicides altogether.

tl;dr: Since the internet jumbles facts with lies, and Amanda Todd is dead, there's no logical way to make a better judgement than that she committed suicide and that's bad. And I agree with the majority that instead of focusing on her, we should be tackling the problem at its source.

This post has been edited by Oxenkses: 18 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

KiraDood5, on 14 October 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

I agree so strongly.
Plus why over one dead girl.
Ever heard of Rachel Ehmke?!

@Oxenkses

For starters, I'd like to point out that you're not obligated to make a judgement about the whole Amanda Todd thing. In fact, it is probably better you don't, for logical and ethical reasons.

Second, I'd like to argue a few things you said, that seem to be beliefs shared by a great deal of people. I feel confident these beliefs are entirely mistaken.

Oxenkses, on 18 October 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

People may not like me for this opinion; however, I have to disagree. No, suicide does a lot more than that. I would say the most motivating factor of suicide is the escape factor. It ends the pain, doesn't it? No more delusions, no more pain, no more obscurity. And while that can be a deeply Philosophical discussion, I ask you keep it simple. After all, most people do not consider "ending the pain" to be very Philosophical, since most people have a very finite view of death.

Another, lesser reason would be sensationalism, which is something I will be discussing in response to something else you said. Let's say I want to say something to the world, but I'm not sure how to go about it. I would literally die in order to get this message out there... In fact, I will! In a case like this, a person could kill him or herself in order to spread this information through a very sensationalist media. Not to say this always works. In fact, I would even say that while it is effective in the short term, it really doesn't work long term. Look at the KLF and how they took a giant shit on the pop industry. Media sensations are a lot like the pop industry: dying stars from the moment of conception.

It is also important to consider that emotional grenade effect you considered, because you would be surprised how spite can influence a person -- especially when combined with other intense emotions (depression, anyone?). What if hurting people is what the 'suicidee' is attempting to accomplish? This person might be hateful toward the people who didn't offer to help, or only made things worse with their selfish behavior. They might resort to suicide in order to hurt them.

But enough about why we should all kill ourselves.

Oxenkses, on 18 October 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

I've always found comments like this immensely irritating. Depression is a pretty simple thing. The complications lie in the CAUSES and the CURES. The definition of depression is easy, and may as well be "sadness." Oh wait, it pretty much is.

My point is this: teen angst IS depression. Maybe you've forgotten what it is like to be a teenager, but I can assure you it is pretty miserable. While some people may just have doubts and occasional sadness, there are a lot of kids AND adults that have extreme bouts of depression from reasons that are too complicated to even bother going into here. You have to consider culture, race, counter-culture, family life, biology, counter-counter-culture, media/mainstream implications of various things like beauty and success...ect.

I'm not telling you to pity her. I'm not telling you to congratulate her. I'm not telling you to not pity her. I'm just telling you that yes, teen angst is real depression. Those feelings are as real as any other, no matter how depressing that is to accept.

Oxenkses, on 18 October 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Sensationalism. People are obsessed with having martyrs (Jesus), idols (Obama before he didn't do anything), faces of sympathy (Adalia Rose) and figureheads (Queen Elizabeth). Now, I'll admit, maybe the adoration for some of these people is a little bit more than sensationalism, but here's the deal: people need a hero. Batman wasn't fucking lying to you. We need a batman. Whether that hero is a famous actor gangraped by a bunch of flying rats in a cave, or if it is a girl who drank bleach because conservatives suck ass, we need someone to base our hopes on. Something tangible and concrete.

Maybe if we put our hope and support into something great, something great will happen. Why don't we do it ourselves? Well, that is another deeply complex issue that sounds extraordinarily unpleasant to discuss.

Amanda Todd is just the/another face of the "war against bullying," or whatever clever title they've given this shit.

Karkat, on 18 October 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

You're a little late:

Grass, if you agree with what it is on that meme, you are objectively a fucking idiot.

What I don't get is why she showed her tits to people she knows, that was a big mistake on her part.

Wait, what? Flashing your tits to strangers is better?
If anything, I'd modify your statement to be, "What I don't get is why she showed her tits to people she knows [who aren't close friends], that was a big mistake on her part."

p.s. is it bad joke time?
"Tits or Gtfo"
"Lol how about both"

This post has been edited by Dr. Klaus: 21 October 2012 - 04:18 PM

Well if it's to strangers then she should at least not show her face in the photos. They same can't be said for people she knows, as it would be incredibly informal to not be show your face to people you know, and kind of pointless because they would have already established that they know each other through what ever kind program they were using to communicate.

4chan's really the only place you could do that sort of thing completely anonymous.

What a crap of nonsense and sensacionalist shit.

Look, I'm sorry she decided to suicide, but now everyone showing simpathy for her is simply stupid. There are many points in this story we don't know. And all those who said "she deserved it", you are idiot. No one deserves to be bullied and humilliated like that ever, no matter what mistake he/she did in the past.

My questions are the following:

- Where were her parents when she decided to flash her boobs on the net, being 13?
- Where were her friends to support her? I can't believe ALL her friends turned back on her bacause she flased her boobs.
- Why did not the parent open an investigation to find out the man that was behind that? If Anonymous managed to do it, a professional IT investigator can do it too.

I'm sorry, but we don't know all what hapenned in this story. I believe she probably had some kind of familiar problems.

Oh yeah! And you guys, the ones who think that "she deserved it", have you ever been bullied for months, or years, when you were childs? Because I was. And it's not as easy as you think to get out of this kind of crap.