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I'm voting for Sue. Abbey's a little dick who can't handle a little bullying and doesn't believe in warnings. Abbey's platform includes detention for your first tardy and Saturday detention for missing the trash can.

Vote for Sue.

Also,


PUNCH HIS FUCKING FACE IN

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 15 December 2010 - 12:50 PM

He also raped his little sister.

Abbey's slight grin in Radial's edit is surprisingly hot to me :-[

Also ha ha ha you can tell in the comments section of the site who are the crazies that support death penalty and shit

abbey is so fucking emotionless in the new chapter
and when he does express emotion he looks like a monkey

This post has been edited by whf: 15 December 2010 - 01:03 PM

also daisy sucks

this never stops being relevant.
so glad i made it.

Say what you want about Abbey. He still has the single most direct and effective solution to bullying possible.

Speaking as one of many who did suffer in high school, no form of punishment ever stopped bullies. Culled from the herd sounds like a good move to me.

Abbey is the worst character in the comic.

Unless something bad is happening to him. Then he's my favorite.

Jaythefirst, on 15 December 2010 - 01:45 PM, said:

*rolls eyes*

Why yes, that's a great idea! Let's help the school system create another failure instead of trying to help turn another child into a functional member of society! Speaking as one of the many who did "suffer" in high school, no form of punishment ever stopped bullies. However, showing them that they had no power over you did.

But, hey, I'm all for expulsion of bullies. Let's trade four miserable years for a miserable life!

VOTE FOR SUE

This post has been edited by Kaxbe: 15 December 2010 - 03:06 PM

I prefer a warning or similar system myself, first time a warning, second time suspension, third time expulsion.

i don't hate the guy but... expulsion?
vote Sue definetly. but , i must mention that im not happy at all with the political monopoly Sue is planning... well, that's politics.

All the bullies I know have grown up to be failures anyway, regardless of what the school did. It was nothing, by the way. One of these bullies shot himself in the foot with a handgun on the first day of deer hunting season. I am quite confident that there is nothing we can do to help these people. That said, the best way to deal with bullies personally is to poison your food. Eventually, they'll put two and two together and stop taking it.

But anyway, I actually kinda like Abbey. He seems like he's taking this more seriously, even if his policies are occasionally wack. Then again, Sue is rilly hot, so fuck him.

Expulsion won't do crap with bullies. Tried that with mine, made things worse.

Sue is an awesome character, with great design and as far as I'm concerned more development.

Not to mention Sue is looking to improve the school system, it's quite obvious Abbey is taking his own personal life of violence and being against it and making things personal. It's not about being personal it's about finding the solution that will help the people.

Sure, punishment is necessary for tardies and bullying and overdue books but it sounds like Abbey is taking things to extremes.

Not to mention who's typically going to get the job done better, the popular kids that are quite easily manipulated (Abbey not too sure but Daisy IS A FREAKING CHEERLEADER WHO HAS BEEN MANIPULATED BEFORE, and didn't Augustus do some manipulating of Abbey as well? I don't want a puppet in control!), or lesser known smarties? (Sue is always in command of her life never being controlled, only having to have gotten advice before from McCain whom is at her side making sure Sue has no slip ups and we know McCains very few slip ups have been cleaned up respectively by Sue)

Abbey X Daisy (Which we know is divided between the Paulo X Daisy, Abbey X Lucy, Mike X Daisy, Augustus X Abbey, Augustus X Daisy pairings as well)
VS
Sue X McCain (Which competes with Sue X Amaya, that's it...)

Finally, Sue we know is a good director and strongly into politics, Abbey seems moreso there just to go against Sues beliefs. He doesn't really give a crap as to being a winner or not, so long as Sue doesn't win. HOW CAN YOU VOTE FOR A GUY LIKE THAT?

I believe I speak firmly and give enough opinions AND FACTS as to why Sue ought to win and dominate over Abbey.

And in response to Kaxbe, yes, for the sheer fact he's running for the sole purpose of going against Sue, I want to punch his stupid face in. I WANT TO PUNCH HIS FUCKING FACE IN.

Arc Impulse, on 15 December 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Wait seriously? You're mad because he's running because he disagrees with Sue? That's what elections are for guy If you agree with a kid, you don't run against him.
I kinda like Abbey for this :3 Taking a stand for things he believes in! Not just hanging out in the background and whining.

Yeah I'm probably gonna burn my vote on the third party candidate though.

Scotch, on 15 December 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

Well then, look at this...

Arc Impulse, on 15 December 2010 - 05:20 PM, said:

Vote for Sue

don't forget abbey needs daisy there to reassure him he has a spine during the debate

everything abbey does is just to try and get daisy to love him

which won't work~!

Because that gorgeous korat works all the seduction just by EXISTING.

Also I really hope people don't think I'm trying to strawman here. I mean Abbey and Sue are both really smart and yeah - what is wrong with running against someone you disagree with? I think people are being a wee bit too harsh on Abbey with that point. I'm sure if Abbey was running and Sue noticed all his "platforms", she would totally rage and fight hard to compete against. She'd be the same in his position.

Also Daisy is just there because she likes to support, he could do it on his own, but she chooses to help. I mean Daisy is kind of a massive nerd too, I don't see why people are being harsh to Daisy when Paulo was aiding Jasmine in her campaign tons. And McCain was helping Sue and knows of her plan, they're not any better.

Taeshi, on 15 December 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:

SHES FOLLOWING HIM AROUND AND CLINGING TO HIM SHE SUCKS

Weird, several of the arguments I would use against Abbey right are the same arguments I use against the death penalty...

Taeshi, on 15 December 2010 - 12:59 PM, said:

I hate the U.S. for abolishing the death penalty. Murderers are scum who deserve no less than a painful death for being a blight on society.

VOTE 4 ABBEY

"I can't solve problems by myself, I'm going to run for something with power and abuse it to get rid of my problem"

Shotgun Wizard, on 15 December 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

I doubt this would be considered abusive. I'd have the same rule about bullying. Zero tolerance.

If they want to get help to stop being an ass and a blight on the educational system, they can do it at some other school and not my own to spare my students the agony of suffering with these low-life people.

I love Abbey now, I've always been a disciplinarian and this just speaks volumes to me about Abbey. I'd date him~

What is this Abbey/Death Penalty nonsense? It's simple: Abbey is a humorless dick and the death penalty is hilarious.

is abbey a main character though and sue is just a side character

Shotgun Wizard, on 15 December 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

What power? Student government is meaningless.

What's Sue's position on bullying? I don't think we've heard it yet.

If it were me, I wouldn't vote for either of them. I mean, if you're bullying someone, that signifies a problem with you, and it has to be corrected. How? I think the best way would be to create some kind of program... something that shows bullies that their victims are humans as well, that that what they're doing hurts.

Probably some mandatory (for people caught bullying on 1st offence) after school / weekend class that involves:

• Former bully victims telling how much it hurts, and how pointless it is
  
• Mandatory volunteering for a good cause (choices from a list) eg/ animal shelter, reading to kids, etc
  
• And in the end, writing an essay about how what they did was wrong, and how they are going to improve as a human

I agree, we're never going to be able to *fix* some bullies, but we've got to try. Save suspension and expulsion for 2nd and 3rd time offenses, or cases where the law is broken (eg assault). Let's face it, if they go through all this and still wind up being bad people, there's not much hope for them. Remove them from the vulnerable population and let them fend for themselves, but only after trying to change them.

What do you guys think?

Starwatcher, on 15 December 2010 - 07:44 PM, said:

Missionary.

Susan, on 15 December 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

Does killing them make us like them?

After all, wouldn't the OPTIMAL outcome be converting a bully to a good person? We shouldn't expel them all and throw away this possibility!

Vote Sue, cus she'd use her newfound power to seduce Amaya. And we all know that hot lesbian sex between those two is exactly what everyone wants.

This post has been edited by Sammy: 15 December 2010 - 08:15 PM

I like Abbey, but he would not be a good secertary. Vote Sue!

I do think Abbey is being a bit harsh, maybe if he changes expulsion to suspension or ISS or OSS then he would most certainly be the best secretary. Though he's a cooler character than Sue, but then I look at how he looks different and I rage out.

Taeshi, on 15 December 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:

I really wish that weren't true

This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 15 December 2010 - 08:42 PM

Oh you silly tolerant Americans amuse me to no end. The bullies are closer to animals than to people. And the only way to control animals is trough fear and power. First offense should be penalized with a two week suspension. Second offense should be a 100 euro fine like they do in Europe. Third offense should be expulsion. People who talk about humanity and tolerance clearly haven't been bullied enough.

I can accept the possibility that some people can be converted but the amount of them is so low that it's not worth it. Power and Fear. This is what keeps monsters like that in chains. A buddy of mine in Canada was so traumatized that he dropped out from school at sixth grade and formed a Sociophobia disorder. Just now eight years later he has finally started to fight it. I'll say it again if you keep saying that bullies are just doing what they do because they lack attention or other bullshit like that you clearly haven't had enough experience with them. Sometimes an emotional trauma can be a thousand times worse than a physical one.

I declare sue the victor
beside the fact that abbey is a total pussy

Starwatcher, on 15 December 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

No, because when you kill a human in cold blood you forfeit your humanity and rights. Therefor, killing murderers for murdering someone does not have the same repercussion on the state because the murderer is no longer a human and does not deserve any rights whatsoever.

i said nothing

This post has been edited by WTF: 15 December 2010 - 09:04 PM

Susan, on 15 December 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

*coughsoldiersinwartimecough*

@Nikel: I've seen both sides, I was something of a bully in elementry/middle school (I have always been easily annoyed, I didn't always use *heavy sigh*s to express it), than when I lost most of my more powerful friends so to speak, was in turn bullied from late middle school/most of high school. Power, fear, threat of force, those methods are utterly useless, they didn't mean anything to me or my old 'friends', why should it? It was the word of several of us against the word of one person...sorry I'm getting off topic...

Kaxbe, on 15 December 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

*coughwarisdifferentcough*

Except war crimes. No difference between murder and a war crime.

Susan, on 15 December 2010 - 09:20 PM, said:

*coughwhyiswardifferentcough*

Murder is murder, isn't it? Oh, oh, oh! But wait! This murder is okay because it's the government deciding that these people are okay to kill! That makes it all better!

Oh dear...

Kaxbe, on 15 December 2010 - 09:06 PM, said:

Pretty much.

Enemies of the state are enemies of me.

It's okay to make jokes about terrorists and serial killers.
It's not okay to make jokes about Old Sparky converting a murderfucker into something vaguely resembling beef jerky.

I'm sorry, I'm too callused not to find this amusing.

Susan, on 15 December 2010 - 09:31 PM, said:

I'm imagining you as a North Korean right now, wanting everyone dead.

I apologize if this is long, but I felt I needed to post it.

First off, I’d like to say that I’m an Abbey. Well, not entirely. I’m more like a combination of Abbey and Amaya. But there’s a lot about Abbey’s personality that I relate to. And now that I’m older, I can see the drawbacks of his personality as well, having learned from my own mistakes.

Take, for example, today’s comic. Abbey gives a decisive answer to Tess’ question. "Expulsion." And that is a natural Abbey answer. He has a very strong sense of right and wrong. Grey areas don’t exist for him. In Abbey’s view, anyone committing a grievous wrong should be punished severely, without exception. This in part comes from his own experiences. When he was young, his father abused his mother, and he was powerless to stop that. Now he wants to change that. Wherever a wrong is committed, he wants to see swift justice done.

But if justice is blind, then so is Abbey. His personality and strong morals often cause him to make snap judgments without necessarily considering all sides of the story. If Tess were still bullying kids, and Abbey the judge, then Tess would be expelled from school. Yet Tess has changed from two years ago. She now wants to make friends instead of bullying people. True, the seniors and juniors are slow to forgive her, because they remember what she used to do. Still, to her credit, Tess has stuck to her decision to overcome her past. Would expulsion have been the answer for Tess? It would have stopped her bullying, at least temporarily, but it would not have changed the way she was. Rather, it was Tess' decision to change herself that made the difference.

Abbey in his single-minded idealism thinks punishment alone will correct a wrong, when this is not always so. Sometimes the person who commits the wrong needs to be helped, to realize what they did was wrong and to change their ways for the future. Tess was strong enough to make this decision for herself, and to commit to it without encouragement from anyone else. However, not everyone is so strong. People often fall back into old habits unless they receive help and support from others.

I think Abbey has a lot to learn about the world, and about himself. Currently, his personality and his views tend to polarize people. He wants to control the outcome of situations, to do what he thinks is right, but he is just as likely to turn off people as to attract their support. He needs to become a softer person, one who can broaden his horizons enough to see multiple sides of a given situation. He needs to learn that things are not always black and white, and that the instinctive solution is not always the best solution. I think in future comics, a lot of the conflict surrounding Abbey will come from his personality and how it affects and clashes with others. Abbey will need to deal with his demons, and not only those from his past.

In this storyline, I like how Taeshi has put the characters in differing roles. Abbey is the candidate with strong and polarizing views, whereas Sue is the candidate with the more pragmatic policies. So, who would I vote for? It's true that I identify a lot with Abbey, but right now, I’d have to lean towards Sue, because she seems to be the more realistic and grounded person. Though one concern I have with Sue is her stated desire to control the entire student government so that she can actually effect her changes; this seems a little creepy and totalitarian to me. Regardless, I’d be interested in hearing Sue’s response to Tess’ question about bullying.

This post has been edited by wacko: 15 December 2010 - 09:48 PM

You know those books that are all "X and Philosophy"? Like "Harry Potter and Philosophy" and "South Park and Philosophy"?

Your post, wacko, makes me want there to be a "Bittersweet Candy Bowl and Philosophy".

shouldn't this be who are you ROOTING for? I mean surely Taeshi has already written the outcome.

Anyways, I'm for Abbey. Of course, why wouldn't I be?

ClosetLucy, on 15 December 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

Poll is there for reason. So we can vote.

I'll admit I should have voted Sue, even though I like Abbey more as a character, I do not fully agree with his opening statement. We shall see if my opinion changes later in the debate. Guess I'll change my vote now as to not be someone who only votes for something because I like it more or am a member of it's political party.

This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 15 December 2010 - 10:24 PM

Sue so far.

Look, the last time Sue set up a grand puppetmaster plan, the end of it was apparently to ship Mike x Lucy, so we can see that while Sue is pretty good at plotting, she's also clearly absolutely insane. This bid for power in the student government is just part of a larger scheme! Wheels within wheels! A vote for Sue is a vote for Mike x Lucy! Are you all so blind?!
Moreover, the real question is who's gonna be the president. This secretary position that Abbey and Sue are jockeying for - small potatoes! Who's running for the true reign of student council? Who's gonna sit on the Throne Incarnadine? Who will McCain have to kill before he can assume the political power that his girlfriend urges upon him!? I KNOW HOW I'M VOTING
So yeah, vote Jessica 4 prez. We'll rock this write-in style.

EDIT wait is Jessica seriously not a senior
are there no heroes left in man

This post has been edited by rocketpony: 15 December 2010 - 10:25 PM