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WW3 Right now NK and SK you dicks
- Saint Christopher
- Member
From what I've heard, South Korea (SK) is going to war with North Korea (NK). America has a treaty with SK about if we get attacked, they help us and vise versa. A New Korean War Would Be Devastating, but It Could Happen Fuck.
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- 20 December 2010 - 05:31 AM
Saint Christopher, on 20 December 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:
From what I've heard, South Korea (SK) is going to war with North Korea (NK). America has a treaty with SK about if we get attacked, they help us and vise versa. A New Korean War Would Be Devastating, but It Could Happen Fuck.
I wouldn't really call that a declaration of war, that article seems to be mostly speculation. That air raid drill is disturbing... and the state run news of NK prints many disturbing things.
I'm not sure there ever was another conflict that lasted generations. Do you guys know of any?
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- 20 December 2010 - 05:39 AM
- ClosetLucy
- Member
Worthless! This is nothing but a terrible scheme the media is using to gain attention. ANYONE can say "hey guess what could happen?" but if you say it and you have a media label it all of a sudden makes it real? Fuck that. If America goes to war with North Korea which they probably will eventually, true, we will have nuclear winter. America will be nuked, and I'll be dead. Or I will be signed in to the draft that will be inevitable in a war against North Korea and on the day they come to pick me up they can watch me shoot my fucking brains out right in front of them. Everywhere it goes, all over them. Than they'll see how effective a draft is. Fuck dying for my country, fuck going through unnecessary carnage and death and watching limbs blown apart, just because some country that won't matter to me will lose it's independence. War is inevitable, but I will DIE before I become a part of it. I'd rather die sooner than suffer through the rest and die later.
- #3
- 20 December 2010 - 06:09 AM
Agreed. I don't want to kill anyone. Hell, I've never been able to even physically hit someone... I'd die before doing that.
(ClosetLucy... Canada's against drafts, and has been for the longest time. You could come hide out here!)
(ClosetLucy... Canada's against drafts, and has been for the longest time. You could come hide out here!)
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- 20 December 2010 - 06:29 AM
- ClosetLucy
- Member
Star, that's been my plan for 4 years. I plan on moving to Vancouver. I have everything planned out.
It's not the fact that I don't want to kill anyone. When I think about it, if someone is pointing a gun at me ready to shoot, that motherfucker is going to do it. I fear death the most out of anything else. and I will kill to keep my life alive. It may sound selfish I guess. But war is different, when in war it's like there's a feeling of no way out. Your trapped, there's no doubt, you will die. You have to be lucky not to. But if a person is in my house with a gun ready to kill, I don't care if they are ready or not. My house will be their last.
Write a note to yourself: Don't come to my house with a weapon, in the dark
It's not the fact that I don't want to kill anyone. When I think about it, if someone is pointing a gun at me ready to shoot, that motherfucker is going to do it. I fear death the most out of anything else. and I will kill to keep my life alive. It may sound selfish I guess. But war is different, when in war it's like there's a feeling of no way out. Your trapped, there's no doubt, you will die. You have to be lucky not to. But if a person is in my house with a gun ready to kill, I don't care if they are ready or not. My house will be their last.
Write a note to yourself: Don't come to my house with a weapon, in the dark
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- 20 December 2010 - 08:05 AM
Generally not a good idea to go into anyones house with a weapon in the dark nowadays. 
I've got 3 (very friendly to us, but very loud and protective) dogs living in my house. Nobody's sneaking in here in the middle of the night either.
I've got 3 (very friendly to us, but very loud and protective) dogs living in my house. Nobody's sneaking in here in the middle of the night either.
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- 20 December 2010 - 01:37 PM
I guess I meant more contemporary examples... anything else since the 1800s? I couldn't find one...
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- 20 December 2010 - 01:48 PM
Oh yeah, I guess if you count cold war like things then there are a few.
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- 20 December 2010 - 03:03 PM
I honestly don't know what to do if the draft came around; if I had to fight in a war I'd probably be in the first list of casualties. My only hope would be that I'd be able to dodge any drafts with college enrollment.
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- 20 December 2010 - 05:44 PM
- Mister Nikel
- The Prosecution is always ready your honor.
Member 
Bah! Those crazy Koreans have been doing this crap for thirty years now. Nothing is gonna happen. Stop being such panic chickens. No one in the world is crazy enough to Nuke spam as it equals suicide and total anihilation of humanity as a whole. Self preservation comes before ambition.
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- 20 December 2010 - 08:50 PM
Pick Yer Poison, on 20 December 2010 - 05:44 PM, said:
I honestly don't know what to do if the draft came around; if I had to fight in a war I'd probably be in the first list of casualties. My only hope would be that I'd be able to dodge any drafts with college enrollment.
I think I'd just fall to the floor and stop moving before someone puts a gun in my hands.
Do you guys really think that there could be another draft?
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- 20 December 2010 - 09:35 PM
@ Mister Nikel - Hmm. You seem to have forgotten about the religious nuts. Many people are very ambitious and entirely willing to kill absolutely everybody to achieve those ambitions. Of course, we all know that many who practice Islam seem to think that this is the way to go, but let us not forget that in Asian culture a glorious death is held equally as high. Maybe moreso. Still, I do agree with you that nothing is likely to happen. I'm not sure if Jong-il has the guts. However, we have yet to see a good representation of Jong-un's attitude, so you never know.
This post has been edited by Scotch: 20 December 2010 - 10:02 PM
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- 20 December 2010 - 10:00 PM
- (nameless)
- *heavy sigh*
Member 
Looks like NK is backing down on their threats to respond to SK live fire drill.
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- 20 December 2010 - 10:16 PM
Good. 
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- 20 December 2010 - 10:55 PM
- DritchJaul
- Member
To those of you wanting to move to Canada if the war starts:
If this war were to start, there would be nukes. The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth? Not to mention the fact it's right between where Russia would be launching missiles at the US, so all the radioactive missile debris that was shot down by the US would be on Canadian soil. That "End Of Ze World" video had it right, move to Australia, nobody cares about them enough to nuke them.
If this war were to start, there would be nukes. The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth? Not to mention the fact it's right between where Russia would be launching missiles at the US, so all the radioactive missile debris that was shot down by the US would be on Canadian soil. That "End Of Ze World" video had it right, move to Australia, nobody cares about them enough to nuke them.
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- 20 December 2010 - 11:36 PM
- Quaddy
- Member
The point stands that North Korea has only set off one nuke, and it fizzled: there are conventional bombs more powerful. I'm not afraid.
Note: I actually support a draft. It would make people think, before they vote for a politician who wants war, 'If I do this, I may be called on to die for my country.' Our volunteer military makes it a whole lot easier for a detached voting public to choose a war which will never affect them.
Note: I actually support a draft. It would make people think, before they vote for a politician who wants war, 'If I do this, I may be called on to die for my country.' Our volunteer military makes it a whole lot easier for a detached voting public to choose a war which will never affect them.
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- 20 December 2010 - 11:53 PM
- ILB
- secretly a man
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The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth?
A nuclear winter is not horrible because it is cold. It is horrible because it is nuclear. ^_^
Besides, a bit of cold never hurt anyone. Granted, if you build a house near the North Pole there will be trouble but who does that? Quebec, or Saskatchewan, would be far enough. ^_^
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That "End Of Ze World" video had it right, move to Australia, nobody cares about them enough to nuke them.
Except Australia also got bombed in that video.
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- 21 December 2010 - 12:00 AM
- ClosetLucy
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DritchJaul, on 20 December 2010 - 11:36 PM, said:
If this war were to start, there would be nukes. The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth? Not to mention the fact it's right between where Russia would be launching missiles at the US, so all the radioactive missile debris that was shot down by the US would be on Canadian soil.
Um...what the fuck? You do know that winter in nuclear winter, is not the same winter as in, the cold season :|
Also, Russia launching missiles at the US? What is this 1965? The Cold War is over dude, has been for a long time. So just what the hell are you on about?
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- 21 December 2010 - 07:25 AM
- ClosetLucy
- Member
I've just been upset lately but yes I feel very strongly about my fear of death.
This post has been edited by ClosetLucy: 21 December 2010 - 07:44 AM
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- 21 December 2010 - 07:43 AM
hmm If I was drafted I would be dead in minutes. I don't want to speculate what it would be like if I killed somebody. Heck It probably won't register until I can have the time to think of something other than "Oh my god im going to die. Holy sh*t what will i do. ect.
But that's also speculation.
But that's also speculation.
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- 21 December 2010 - 08:35 AM
- Saint Christopher
- Member
There is most likely going to be a war. SK Is still drilling their men, they have fighter pilots in the air everyday just in case retaliation from NK. This most likely will lead to war.
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- 22 December 2010 - 06:24 AM
ClosetLucy, on 21 December 2010 - 07:43 AM, said:
I've just been upset lately but yes I feel very strongly about my fear of death.
Fearing the inevitable is a fool's plan. Everyone in this world WILL die, but fearing death is a waste of time and thought. Whether there's a draft or not, you will die.
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- 23 December 2010 - 06:18 PM
- (nameless)
- *heavy sigh*
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ILB, on 21 December 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:
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The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth?
A nuclear winter is not horrible because it is cold. It is horrible because it is nuclear. ^_^
I'm about fifteen miles from the nearest major city...think it's far away enough to avoid slow painful radiation induced death? I'm thinking no...
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- 23 December 2010 - 06:33 PM
(nameless), on 23 December 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:
ILB, on 21 December 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:
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The world would be in nuclear winter, so your plan would be to move to one of the coldest countries on earth?
A nuclear winter is not horrible because it is cold. It is horrible because it is nuclear. ^_^
I'm about fifteen miles from the nearest major city...think it's far away enough to avoid slow painful radiation induced death? I'm thinking no...
You are, and you can survive the initial flux. Use iodine tablets to protect your thyroid.
Radiation dose is proportional to distance, but also time. It is possible to escape to anywhere underground, most of the hard radiation emitted by a nuclear blast can be stopped by a few meters of dirt.
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- 23 December 2010 - 08:20 PM
- (nameless)
- *heavy sigh*
Member
Hence the slow and painful part...there the hills would likely block the initial radiation, the the west-to-east winds would blow the fallout right to me.
- #29
- 23 December 2010 - 08:58 PM
The short lived isotopes that decay producing gamma rays (which are really the only threat to you at this hypothetical point) will decay into their daughter particles within 2 to 3 weeks TOPS. You have to minimize exposure until then, but after that it's the slow, long term exposure to the environment that will kill you.
I'd wait until after the short lived isotopes decay and then move, as fast as I could, to a safer part of the world.
Also eating food / plants that absorb the initial radiation will hurt you, stay away from them.
I'd wait until after the short lived isotopes decay and then move, as fast as I could, to a safer part of the world.
Also eating food / plants that absorb the initial radiation will hurt you, stay away from them.
This post has been edited by Starwatcher: 23 December 2010 - 09:35 PM
- #30
- 23 December 2010 - 09:35 PM
If there is ever a serious possibility that a nuke will be sent to the U.S., I am hauling ass to NYC. Columbus probably stands a good chance of getting hit too. I don't wanna fuss around with all that radiation business. I will relish the opportunity to die in one of the coolest ways possible.
That said, since North Korea is the only country which is highly likely to launch a nuke right now, and their bombs are shit, I'm not horribly afraid. We can shoot down mist nukes headed our way anyway I think. It's really quite unlikely that a major city will be hit.
That said, since North Korea is the only country which is highly likely to launch a nuke right now, and their bombs are shit, I'm not horribly afraid. We can shoot down mist nukes headed our way anyway I think. It's really quite unlikely that a major city will be hit.
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- 24 December 2010 - 04:12 AM
- (nameless)
- *heavy sigh*
Member
And I'm fleeing to Central California, good agricultural bases, plenty of food.
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- 24 December 2010 - 04:21 AM
I'm fleeing to the university I go to. Plenty of food / water stored there and there is ample shielding in the modern physics lab to contain the radiation there. Kinda ironic, but that seems like a good place to hide.
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- 24 December 2010 - 04:56 AM
At this time, I really would not worry much about a nuclear strike from North Korea hitting mainland North America. North Korea's long-range missiles have not been successfully tested yet, and they would require modification to extend their range.
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- 24 December 2010 - 05:14 AM
History lesson, kiddies. Let's find out why Korea split in the first place:
After WWII, the Soviet Union detonated a nuclear bomb, ending American monopoly of the weapon. The power of the soviets was increasing at an astonishing rate, the US feared communism would take hold of all of Asia, not financially good for us.
We'd already lost China, and the USSR forces had begun invading Korea. To respond, we sent troops to the south and pushed to declare the invasion a threat to peace, or something. Bear with me, I'm going off memory.
A resulting 'proxy' war took place, a war backed by two foreign nations. Joseph Stalin called upon the aid of whoever was running China (again, going off memory) to defend north Korea. Etc etc war years of internal conflict, Kim Jong-il, etc I'm done. The entire reason we might actually enter another world war is partially our fault.
Typing on a phone is a bitch.
After WWII, the Soviet Union detonated a nuclear bomb, ending American monopoly of the weapon. The power of the soviets was increasing at an astonishing rate, the US feared communism would take hold of all of Asia, not financially good for us.
We'd already lost China, and the USSR forces had begun invading Korea. To respond, we sent troops to the south and pushed to declare the invasion a threat to peace, or something. Bear with me, I'm going off memory.
A resulting 'proxy' war took place, a war backed by two foreign nations. Joseph Stalin called upon the aid of whoever was running China (again, going off memory) to defend north Korea. Etc etc war years of internal conflict, Kim Jong-il, etc I'm done. The entire reason we might actually enter another world war is partially our fault.
Typing on a phone is a bitch.
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- 25 December 2010 - 01:48 AM
- Seg
- Member
Sani, on 25 December 2010 - 01:48 AM, said:
History lesson, kiddies. Let's find out why Korea split in the first place:
After WWII, the Soviet Union detonated a nuclear bomb, ending American monopoly of the weapon. The power of the soviets was increasing at an astonishing rate, the US feared communism would take hold of all of Asia, not financially good for us.
We'd already lost China, and the USSR forces had begun invading Korea. To respond, we sent troops to the south and pushed to declare the invasion a threat to peace, or something. Bear with me, I'm going off memory.
A resulting 'proxy' war took place, a war backed by two foreign nations. Joseph Stalin called upon the aid of whoever was running China (again, going off memory) to defend north Korea. Etc etc war years of internal conflict, Kim Jong-il, etc I'm done. The entire reason we might actually enter another world war is partially our fault.
Typing on a phone is a bitch.
After WWII, the Soviet Union detonated a nuclear bomb, ending American monopoly of the weapon. The power of the soviets was increasing at an astonishing rate, the US feared communism would take hold of all of Asia, not financially good for us.
We'd already lost China, and the USSR forces had begun invading Korea. To respond, we sent troops to the south and pushed to declare the invasion a threat to peace, or something. Bear with me, I'm going off memory.
A resulting 'proxy' war took place, a war backed by two foreign nations. Joseph Stalin called upon the aid of whoever was running China (again, going off memory) to defend north Korea. Etc etc war years of internal conflict, Kim Jong-il, etc I'm done. The entire reason we might actually enter another world war is partially our fault.
Typing on a phone is a bitch.
Actually, the USSR was never directly involved, and recent documents revealed by the opening of the Soviet archives following its dissolution show that Stalin had given only reluctant approval and tertiary aid at most, contrary to popular opinion at the time. The American intervention was the initiation of the "proxy" war, not the Soviet Union, as it interfered once North Korea's (with the hesitant green light from Stalin and more enthusiastic green light from Mao) surprise tank offensive nearly struck down South Korea. After the joint South Korean and US forces pushed the NK army north, China interfered by sending in troops under the promise of Soviet aid. The PRC's army pushed back and was stopped at about the line where North and South Korea are separated today. At that point, an armistice was arranged and the two countries have remained at cease fire ever since.
A formal peace treaty was never created nor signed.
They never actually "stopped' being at war.
This post has been edited by Seg: 25 December 2010 - 02:23 AM
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- 25 December 2010 - 02:19 AM
- ClosetLucy
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(nameless), on 24 December 2010 - 04:21 AM, said:
And I'm fleeing to Central California, good agricultural bases, plenty of food.
You do now that over here would probably be a destination for a nuke. Sacramento or San Franciso.
This post has been edited by ClosetLucy: 25 December 2010 - 05:50 PM
- #39
- 25 December 2010 - 05:49 PM
- Ammanas
- Member
The nuke is the end-all weapon. The last resort. Any country that uses it will incur the backlash of every other country. No country wants to be the first to trigger the first nuclear war because its basically suicide. It is held as a threat only most of the time and is what has prevented any wars between major powers after WWII. The Cold War not counting because it is just that, cold.
If memory serves anyway.
If memory serves anyway.
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- 25 December 2010 - 07:02 PM
- ILB
- secretly a man
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There have been many indirect conflicts between the superpowers since then. Take the Vietnam war, for instance, or the aforementioned Korea war. Soviet supplied one side with weapons, while the USA supplied the other. No nukes, though. Wisely they avoided giving anything to their "allies" that could result in them assaulting them.
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- 25 December 2010 - 07:13 PM
- Ammanas
- Member
Exactly. Indirect. The reason they were forced to do that instead of an actual war is the threat of nukes. I wonder what would actually happen if nukes were taken out of the equation entirely. If it would go back to how it was before with countries warring with each other at whim, or remain as it is, all afraid to make direct conflict.
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- 25 December 2010 - 07:27 PM
Two words. Divine Wind. Remember, suicide bombers do exist. And many religions, including Shinto and other Asian beliefs, endorse this. If Jong-il really wants to drop a nuke, he will.
This post has been edited by Scotch: 25 December 2010 - 10:34 PM
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- 25 December 2010 - 10:34 PM
- Seg
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Scotch, on 25 December 2010 - 10:34 PM, said:
Two words. Divine Wind. Remember, suicide bombers do exist. And many religions, including Shinto and other Asian beliefs, endorse this. If Jong-il really wants to drop a nuke, he will.
Religious beliefs aside, he's also quite mad, terrible at caring for his country, desperate for global attention, and in poor health.
In his eyes, what are we gonna do?
Give his corpse a stern talking-to?
This post has been edited by Seg: 25 December 2010 - 11:02 PM
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- 25 December 2010 - 11:01 PM
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