If we didn't eat cows they would go extinct they do not have any self defense capability intelligence or speed for that matter. If every cow was set free they would go extinct in about 3 months. Also in my opinion most animals from humans die a better death then they would in the wild I wouldn't want to die with my intestines ripped out.
Any vegetarians here? I'm thinking of becoming one.
- #51
- 01 January 2011 - 08:00 PM
- (nameless)
- *heavy sigh*
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All three members of my immediate family are vegetarians (my parents for health reasons, my sister for moral reasons), I am not though as a consequence I eat far less meat than I used to.
- #52
- 01 January 2011 - 08:32 PM
- Anialator
- Member
lolwut, on 01 January 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:
jesus the amount of pain in that stew would just add so much flavor.
I hear the chinese boil their cats alive because the adrenaline makes the meat taste better.
Oh, and a dog recipe where making the dog suffer causes the meat to become an aphrodisiac. 0_0
- #53
- 01 January 2011 - 10:18 PM
you see? don't stop eating meat! it is the only food with emotion to it!
- #54
- 01 January 2011 - 10:37 PM
- Ammanas
- Member
Anialator, on 01 January 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:
lolwut, on 01 January 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:
jesus the amount of pain in that stew would just add so much flavor.
I hear the chinese boil their cats alive because the adrenaline makes the meat taste better.
Oh, and a dog recipe where making the dog suffer causes the meat to become an aphrodisiac. 0_0Adrenaline makes meat bitter. Its why they kill the cows without getting them riled up and panicky.
- #55
- 01 January 2011 - 11:10 PM
- Seg
- Member
Anialator, on 01 January 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:
lolwut, on 01 January 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:
jesus the amount of pain in that stew would just add so much flavor.
I hear the chinese boil their cats alive because the adrenaline makes the meat taste better.
Oh, and a dog recipe where making the dog suffer causes the meat to become an aphrodisiac. 0_0Are you always full of bullshit or do you just do this to annoy people?
- #56
- 01 January 2011 - 11:14 PM
me or anialator because i just love looking at how i always manage to end up in the library detention section
- #57
- 01 January 2011 - 11:24 PM
We Nede MOAR Trolls.
- #58
- 02 January 2011 - 12:02 AM
- CaptainBaconMan
- Member
Starwatcher, on 01 January 2011 - 03:08 AM, said:
lolwut, on 01 January 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:
read Omnivore's dilemma. What is being talked about is known as specieism (sp. needed) It is the act of when a person favors a member of their own species over another being. While this seems quite obvious as it would be a core necessity to the survival of a species, the book uses an example as a mentally retarded child or a human suffering from total paralysis still being favored over other organisms that have a better ability to survive and serve as a part of their environment. Starwatcher, if you are serious about your food then I highly recommend this book or at least reading some reviews and summaries. It condenses large amounts of information into easily understandable figures and has an entire chapter devoted to the argument that is at the heart of this thread, but still much of the book concerns the problems with manufactured foor and industrious farms. I think it might be a bit steep reading for someone who isn't truly motivated to pick it up, but i urge you to try to understand the concepts that it brings up. I'll try to find a philosopher to quote for this.
Thank you. I will pick it up from the library the next time I'm out. This is kind of a big issue for me, so it will be good to understand.
If you're going to pick that up, I'd recommend watching the documentary films Food Inc., and King Corn. They both provide excellent information on the shape of the food industry and it's processes.
- #59
- 02 January 2011 - 02:08 AM
- ChewySmokey
- BCI Member
Oh pssha, there's nothing wrong with being against animal suffering/cruelty (i.e. floggings, cock-fights, the severe beating of pets, etc) and eating the occasional cheese burger at the same time.
To me, what it can boil down to is how my meat was treated before it was just a piece of meat. Sure, those PETA propaganda images of thousands of chickens in extremely cramped conditions will put me off from buying certain brands of eggs (for a while), but if it's just a case of my beef getting a sledge hammer to the forehead after a somewhat short life of grazing, then I don't give a damn.
I seem to have lost myself in what I was spouting from lack of sleep...
Besides, you fart more from veggies. Do you really want to clear the room for the rest of your life?
To me, what it can boil down to is how my meat was treated before it was just a piece of meat. Sure, those PETA propaganda images of thousands of chickens in extremely cramped conditions will put me off from buying certain brands of eggs (for a while), but if it's just a case of my beef getting a sledge hammer to the forehead after a somewhat short life of grazing, then I don't give a damn.
I seem to have lost myself in what I was spouting from lack of sleep...
Besides, you fart more from veggies. Do you really want to clear the room for the rest of your life?
- #60
- 02 January 2011 - 08:13 AM
I like all the animal stuff, but I don't like PETA their a terrorist group in my mind they use scare tatics and anger did you see they made the game they made just because cooking mama wouldn't come out with an all vegetarian game. It was brutal.
Cooking Mama, The Unauthorized PETA Edition: Mama Kills Animals | PETA.org
Cooking Mama, The Unauthorized PETA Edition: Mama Kills Animals | PETA.org
- #65
- 02 January 2011 - 06:25 PM
- CaptainBaconMan
- Member
I have yet to see PETA do anything to further animal rights or improve pre-existing conditions for animals. The only purpose they serve is to make animal rights activists look like extremist idiots.
Also, fuck ALF and ELF.
Also, fuck ALF and ELF.
- #66
- 02 January 2011 - 06:35 PM
- Quaddy
- Member
Believe it or not, actual vegetarians often find Peta / Extremists just as annoying as everyone else.
If you annoy or anger someone, they will never even consider your point of view.
Ruining someone's $200 leather coat with read paint will only make them go out and buy another one, and a cheeseburger out of sheer spite.
If you annoy or anger someone, they will never even consider your point of view.
Ruining someone's $200 leather coat with read paint will only make them go out and buy another one, and a cheeseburger out of sheer spite.
- #68
- 02 January 2011 - 07:58 PM
Doing stuff like that sucks. They need to work on positive things instead. I bet there's loads of good stuff you could do that wouldn't annoy anyone... might even be viewed as positive by everyone.
- #69
- 02 January 2011 - 09:19 PM
- Anialator
- Member
Seg, on 01 January 2011 - 11:14 PM, said:
Anialator, on 01 January 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:
I hear the chinese boil their cats alive because the adrenaline makes the meat taste better. Oh, and a dog recipe where making the dog suffer causes the meat to become an aphrodisiac. 0_0
Oh, and a dog recipe where making the dog suffer causes the meat to become an aphrodisiac. 0_0Are you always full of bullshit or do you just do this to annoy people?
Bwahahahahahahahaha oh god this post is beautiful. Why is it people rage when i'm not trollin.
I googled "Cat boiled adrenaline" and the dog rumor was the top post. http://itstheirdesti...t/dogslife.html
and further down the google page I see the quote "Eating a cat that was boiled alive in China! Quote. Adrenaline makes meat taste better. A lot of animals die brutally when being ..."
- #70
- 02 January 2011 - 10:23 PM
Is it legal to eat dog in the United States I tried to look it up but all I got was stuff about whether eating dog was ethical or not. I think it depends on your state though
- #71
- 02 January 2011 - 10:32 PM
Anialator, on 02 January 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:
Rawrdinosaur, on 02 January 2011 - 10:32 PM, said:
I think it depends on your state though
Everything in america depends on state, if they could agree and get along they would become a super power and would take over the world.
Meh one of America's strong suites is its diversity this way if someone doesn't like something they blame the state they live in not the country then they move to a different state. Also it keeps traveling interesting
- #73
- 02 January 2011 - 11:34 PM
Hmm I wonder if over times will evolve differently like dogs did lets see the only thing I could think of how they would change is being more cuddly.
- #75
- 02 January 2011 - 11:58 PM
- Ammanas
- Member
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- #77
- 04 January 2011 - 04:39 PM
- bigdogstan
- Member
meat is important you can't just live off eggs for protein
...
(my mum is a veggie
so i eat lots of veggie food)
- #79
- 08 January 2011 - 12:01 PM
- #80
- 09 January 2011 - 05:21 AM
ahahahah! Yeah, wouldn't mind that one bit. Then again, most of the die hard vegans are kinda nuts and militaristic, so I guess it's a trade off.
Anyways, I don't buy the whole "hurt animals just as bad as hurting plants" thing... plants lack a central nervous system so they really can't "feel" anything at all in the conventional sense. They'd have no perception, no point of view.
Still am thinking about this, for now I'm cutting back on the amount of meat I eat.
Anyways, I don't buy the whole "hurt animals just as bad as hurting plants" thing... plants lack a central nervous system so they really can't "feel" anything at all in the conventional sense. They'd have no perception, no point of view.
Still am thinking about this, for now I'm cutting back on the amount of meat I eat.
- #81
- 09 January 2011 - 05:32 AM
- CaptainBaconMan
- Member
Starwatcher, on 09 January 2011 - 05:32 AM, said:
ahahahah! Yeah, wouldn't mind that one bit. Then again, most of the die hard vegans are kinda nuts and militaristic, so I guess it's a trade off.
Anyways, I don't buy the whole "hurt animals just as bad as hurting plants" thing... plants lack a central nervous system so they really can't "feel" anything at all in the conventional sense. They'd have no perception, no point of view.
Still am thinking about this, for now I'm cutting back on the amount of meat I eat.
Anyways, I don't buy the whole "hurt animals just as bad as hurting plants" thing... plants lack a central nervous system so they really can't "feel" anything at all in the conventional sense. They'd have no perception, no point of view.
Still am thinking about this, for now I'm cutting back on the amount of meat I eat.
And why does having a mode of perception make them any more important? Things are also much too subjective for you to say 'we can't kill/eat intelligent things' because it's impossible to draw a line anywhere.
And how do you know the human mind isn't just layers of coded responses to stimuli? Lot's of animal behavior has nothing to do with any sort of conscious, and is nothing short of genetic programing.
- #82
- 09 January 2011 - 06:58 AM
I think that it's not a question of whether something can read, write, talk etc.. it's whether it can suffer. Whether or not we're completely pre-determined is another question, but in any case, we do have the ability to suffer.
It's not a "mode" of perception that I was denying plants - I was denying them any perception at all. If something lacks nerves, a brain, or even the ability to communicate at all it is safe to say that it doesn't have the necessary hardware to experience suffering.
Besides, if we're all pre-determined that doesn't change anything. Whether or not I have the freedom to decide what I'm going to do, when I get punched in the face or degraded intellectually it still hurts.
I don't think that this is subjective at all. Either something has the ability to suffer or it does not. If it can suffer, it is wrong to subject it to circumstances that make it suffer (WITHIN REASON - ie the law and punishing criminals, but that's beside the point here).
It's not a "mode" of perception that I was denying plants - I was denying them any perception at all. If something lacks nerves, a brain, or even the ability to communicate at all it is safe to say that it doesn't have the necessary hardware to experience suffering.
Besides, if we're all pre-determined that doesn't change anything. Whether or not I have the freedom to decide what I'm going to do, when I get punched in the face or degraded intellectually it still hurts.
I don't think that this is subjective at all. Either something has the ability to suffer or it does not. If it can suffer, it is wrong to subject it to circumstances that make it suffer (WITHIN REASON - ie the law and punishing criminals, but that's beside the point here).
- #83
- 09 January 2011 - 04:38 PM
- matty_batty0
- Member
"It's life Jim but not as we know it!"
Also jellyfish don't have brains so you would assume they are incapable of...well acting like an animal,but the fact is that they do function as a living animals (to some extent) so what is to stop a plant feeling pain? have you ever asked a plant if it feels pain? Do you have any idea what it is like to be a plant? I don't think so
On a more seriouse note, people need to understand that If I am ever argueing for something, that does not mean I am taking it's side or agree with it... for real I once argued that communism isn't all that bad.
Also jellyfish don't have brains so you would assume they are incapable of...well acting like an animal,but the fact is that they do function as a living animals (to some extent) so what is to stop a plant feeling pain? have you ever asked a plant if it feels pain? Do you have any idea what it is like to be a plant? I don't think so
On a more seriouse note, people need to understand that If I am ever argueing for something, that does not mean I am taking it's side or agree with it... for real I once argued that communism isn't all that bad.
This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 10 January 2011 - 07:54 AM
- #84
- 10 January 2011 - 07:53 AM
- ILB
- secretly a man
Member
Well, our nervous systems are what register pain. Anything that does not have one (rocks, plants, or so on) do not feel it when they get hurt, not at all.
At the same time, it is difficult to know with animals like jellyfish and starfish, since the brain is normally required to sense the signals from the nerves. I would not think that they have either (they definitely do not have brains), especially since a starfish can lose all its limbs and regrow them without apparent discomfort. Naturally, observing discomfort on animals like that is a bit of a silly idea either way, but still.
At the same time, it is difficult to know with animals like jellyfish and starfish, since the brain is normally required to sense the signals from the nerves. I would not think that they have either (they definitely do not have brains), especially since a starfish can lose all its limbs and regrow them without apparent discomfort. Naturally, observing discomfort on animals like that is a bit of a silly idea either way, but still.
- #85
- 10 January 2011 - 12:37 PM
- CaptainBaconMan
- Member
Cloud, on 12 January 2011 - 11:54 PM, said:
Jellyfish are actually colonies of various other organisms, with a controlling organism at the centre. Weird shit. Not quite plants but not quite animals. (Something like this anyway)
That's how multicellular life originated. At first it was colonies of bacteria, and then certain types of bacteria began to change over time to perform certain tasks for the colony (like locomotion). When it gets to the point where the colony has bacteria (or cells) that are specifically for reproduction, then it's considered an organism.
This post has been edited by CaptainBaconMan: 13 January 2011 - 12:19 AM
- #87
- 13 January 2011 - 12:17 AM
Actually there are no recorded instances of multicellular bacterial organisms, BaconMan. I think you meant:
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- #88
- 13 January 2011 - 12:22 AM
- CaptainBaconMan
- Member
Yeah, I was paraphrasing my textbook from memory. Couldn't remember what it said exactly, so.
That and taxonomic terms have changed so fucking much. Everything they told me in middle and highschool is pretty much useless now. It's actually to the point of inhibition, because I get confused. Protists aren't even a kingdom anymore.
That and taxonomic terms have changed so fucking much. Everything they told me in middle and highschool is pretty much useless now. It's actually to the point of inhibition, because I get confused. Protists aren't even a kingdom anymore.
This post has been edited by CaptainBaconMan: 13 January 2011 - 12:47 AM
- #89
- 13 January 2011 - 12:46 AM