Those who know me know sharks are one of my few passions, and that shark finning is--in my view--one of the worst crimes you could commit. It's not just the blatant cruelty of cutting the fins off a live shark and leaving them to die, or the wastefulness of taking only the fins and throwing the rest into the sea. Its the flat-out violence and organized criminal activity displayed by the perpetrators in order to get a tasteless ingredient to an expensive chicken-broth dish.
Apparently Gordon Ramsey, a well known chef, agrees. Just look at what happened to him when he tried to expose the industry in Costa Rica.
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Note: My first topic in Social Studies, if I put it in the wrong forum I apologize.
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Shark Finning - Amoral, Criminal or Just Tasteless? Gordon Ramsey votes for option 2.
All of the above. If it's not against the law, then it needs to be.
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- 04 January 2011 - 05:11 PM
- Carcharocles
- BCI Member
Actually Kaxbe, shark fins have no flavor. They're valued for they gooey texture.
- #4
- 04 January 2011 - 05:24 PM
- Seg
- Member
Kav, on 04 January 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:
It's wasteful to only take the fins. The whole shark should be processed. I think it's a good idea to hunt sharks, though, because their overpopulation can be a danger to swimmers as well as cut into the population of other useful fish resources.
Sharks kill on average 5 people a year.
You're roughly ten times more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by a shark.
Edit:
On any given year, that is.
This post has been edited by Seg: 04 January 2011 - 11:25 PM
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- 04 January 2011 - 11:18 PM
Kav, on 04 January 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:
It's wasteful to only take the fins. The whole shark should be processed. I think it's a good idea to hunt sharks, though, because their overpopulation can be a danger to swimmers as well as cut into the population of other useful fish resources.
Can you cite this? I was taught that shark populations were actually on the decline, just like fish we like to eat. Natural predators are no competition for fishing boats.
- #9
- 04 January 2011 - 11:20 PM
- KAS Bat
- Member
In my opinion it's more wasteful than anything else. As long as you can clean and cook it right, almost all parts of a shark are edible.
@Kav Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1
@Kav Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1
- #10
- 04 January 2011 - 11:23 PM
- Cloud
- Member
Jesus H fucking Christ in a strip club.
I knew it was bad, but I didn't realise the crime behind it was -that- organised.
For that reason alone I think it's a fucking travesty.... legalise shark hunting (not finning, full blown hunting, no waste, no abuse), set limits on the number of shark killings, and watch the crime slowly disappear.
The actual killing of sharks I don't disagree with, so long as it's not depleting the stocks, though I must admit I find it a little sad, sharks are far more intelligent than "just fish" after all. But finning them and wasting the rest? Pff.
Just like how native Americans had their buffalo hunting down and perfect until some retards came and fucked it up by taking too many and wasting next to everything.
I knew it was bad, but I didn't realise the crime behind it was -that- organised.
For that reason alone I think it's a fucking travesty.... legalise shark hunting (not finning, full blown hunting, no waste, no abuse), set limits on the number of shark killings, and watch the crime slowly disappear.
The actual killing of sharks I don't disagree with, so long as it's not depleting the stocks, though I must admit I find it a little sad, sharks are far more intelligent than "just fish" after all. But finning them and wasting the rest? Pff.
Just like how native Americans had their buffalo hunting down and perfect until some retards came and fucked it up by taking too many and wasting next to everything.
- #11
- 04 January 2011 - 11:34 PM
- Kav
- Member
Sorry, I did not mean to say sharks are overpopulated. They are limited by hunting. I just think it is a good idea to keep hunting them, but they should support more industries than soup.
I figure that if they were not hunted, they could become a bigger threat to the fishing industry and to swimmers.
5 people dead a year is nothing to sneeze at, nonetheless. McCain would tell us that drawing attention to other death statistics is irrelevant!
I figure that if they were not hunted, they could become a bigger threat to the fishing industry and to swimmers.
5 people dead a year is nothing to sneeze at, nonetheless. McCain would tell us that drawing attention to other death statistics is irrelevant!
- #12
- 04 January 2011 - 11:37 PM
- ChewySmokey
- BCI Member
This sort of thing has been on my mind for the past week, sparked by another thread about hating animal cruelty vs eating meat. Shark finning ranks right up there with live animal skinning and whatnot, it's just revolting. Someone should cut off their arms and legs, throw them into the ocean and see how they like it. It's things like this that make me wish PETA organized terrorists (aka activists) had access to nuclear subs... BOOM.
I remember taking my girlfriend to a restaurant call "Alfredo's" and shark was on the menu... now I wonder which part of the shark is being served? Does anyone know if there is such as thing as "shark farms" out there where there bred for eating?
I remember taking my girlfriend to a restaurant call "Alfredo's" and shark was on the menu... now I wonder which part of the shark is being served? Does anyone know if there is such as thing as "shark farms" out there where there bred for eating?
This post has been edited by ChewySmokey: 05 January 2011 - 12:58 AM
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- 05 January 2011 - 12:53 AM
Lycan, on 05 January 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:
It's a crime, but not the worst of them, imo.
I mean, it's pretty cruel, but I can easily think of worse crimes...
I mean, it's pretty cruel, but I can easily think of worse crimes...
Yeah, unfortunately.
- #16
- 05 January 2011 - 01:56 AM
- Carcharocles
- BCI Member
@Cloud: Costa Rica is a cesspool when it comes to shark finning. A few years ago, practically every cop in the country was in these guys' pockets.
@Kav: Sharks kill on average 5 people a year, worldwide. They attack about 70 people a year, world wide. This number does not increase or decrease with the number of sharks, but it does with the number of swimmers. And considering the unbelievable number of swimmers that enter the water each year, 5 deaths and 70 attacks may just as well be none at all.
It is legal to catch and kill most species of sharks, but the problem is the rest of the fish is worth very little compared to the fins. As for shark being edible, that depends on what you consider edible, really. As predators, shark meat is very high in mercury. The fins are worse--a couple bowls of shark fin soup in one week can leave you sterile for life.
@Kav: Sharks kill on average 5 people a year, worldwide. They attack about 70 people a year, world wide. This number does not increase or decrease with the number of sharks, but it does with the number of swimmers. And considering the unbelievable number of swimmers that enter the water each year, 5 deaths and 70 attacks may just as well be none at all.
It is legal to catch and kill most species of sharks, but the problem is the rest of the fish is worth very little compared to the fins. As for shark being edible, that depends on what you consider edible, really. As predators, shark meat is very high in mercury. The fins are worse--a couple bowls of shark fin soup in one week can leave you sterile for life.
This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 05 January 2011 - 12:18 PM
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- 05 January 2011 - 12:15 PM
- Cloud
- Member
Thing is, we're actually starting to think Whales may have as complex a social mind as ours. Perhaps not quite science and philosophy levels, but we certainly know they have big social communities and communicate, and are vastly intelligent. Perhaps what'd happen if humanity gave up caring about science and religion and whatever else and just -lived-. It's also why Whalers could have issues with em, they remembered being attacked, and told others about it. >
They're not to be sneezed at, that joke in HHGTTG about dolphins being the most intelligent creatures probably applies more to whales ^^
They're not to be sneezed at, that joke in HHGTTG about dolphins being the most intelligent creatures probably applies more to whales ^^
- #21
- 05 January 2011 - 09:27 PM
what the fuck is shark finning ?
what is it,like ghost riding or something ?
what is it,like ghost riding or something ?
- #22
- 05 January 2011 - 09:34 PM
- Seg
- Member
oddguy, on 05 January 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:
what the fuck is shark finning ?
what is it,like ghost riding or something ?
what is it,like ghost riding or something ?
Let me google that for you
- #23
- 05 January 2011 - 09:57 PM
@Kav If they were cutting into fish population, then they wouldn't be here today.
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- 05 January 2011 - 10:03 PM
- Carcharocles
- BCI Member
whf, on 06 January 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:
is animal cruelty wrong? gee i think we should make a milion topics to find the answer to this nearly impossible question on a forum full of furries who love animals so much they want to fuck them
While this is what the thread has evolved into, the original topic was less "it's cruel" and more "look what the psychos who practice this do to keep their actions quiet." Christ, they doused an international celebrity in gasoline just to keep him from filming what they were doing (seriously, read the original link). The Costa Rican Police department's response? "We won't even try to protect you. Leave the country or you will die."
This post has been edited by Carcharocles: 06 January 2011 - 04:07 PM
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- 06 January 2011 - 04:07 PM
- SuitCase
- Administrator
whf, on 06 January 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:
is animal cruelty wrong? gee i think we should make a milion topics to find the answer to this nearly impossible question on a forum full of furries who love animals so much they want to fuck them
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- 06 January 2011 - 05:04 PM
- Cloud
- Member
whf, on 06 January 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:
is animal cruelty wrong? gee i think we should make a milion topics to find the answer to this nearly impossible question on a forum full of furries who love animals so much they want to fuck them
This is more or less what I make of this forum and the BCB fandom at times but ANYWAY.
I digress, fucking criminals. Need to get batman on their ass, clearly.
I'm serious about legalising it though, would cut the crime, impose some limits on it and make them use the whole shark etc, even if the original criminals dont clean up their act somebody will come in and set up a business (away from the criminals I suspect ^^) and rake it in, killing off the black market.
Same thing happens with drugs, though certain drugs just.... really should -never- be legalised. To be honest you're a rem if you're taking them anyway, but at least legalising them would kill the violence behind it >.>
- #30
- 06 January 2011 - 07:14 PM
- Aika
- Member
That's pretty sad and wasteful. Hunting for the sake of an animal's societal value is just wrong. Sadly, a lot of areas in the world engage in something similar. A lot of animals are hunted for their exotic meat. Dolphins for example are slaughtered in great numbers in Japan, or taken (with other similar marine mammals) to be put in aquariums and such. Even Sea World has gotten their animals as a result from hunts. 
- #31
- 07 January 2011 - 05:00 AM
FUCK SHARKS !
WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE FOR ME ?!
WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE FOR ME ?!
- #33
- 07 January 2011 - 01:10 PM
Jerk, on 07 January 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:
It's not as bad as that restaurant in Japan that lets you fuck the animal before its cooked and eaten.
Or maybe not, there are a lot of furries here after all.
Or maybe not, there are a lot of furries here after all.
Are you serious?
- #34
- 07 January 2011 - 01:42 PM
- Goldwulf Q. Triplesexy
- i'm really goddamn proud of this one photo of me in a hat
Member 
FUCK SHARKS !
WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE FOR ME ?!
Pestered Roy Scheider for years
if they are not going to use the rest of the meat and release the animal to die painfully thats just being a dick and wasteing perfectly good meat
WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE FOR ME ?!
Pestered Roy Scheider for years
if they are not going to use the rest of the meat and release the animal to die painfully thats just being a dick and wasteing perfectly good meat
This post has been edited by Goldwulf Q. Triplesexy: 07 January 2011 - 03:51 PM
- #35
- 07 January 2011 - 03:49 PM
- bigdogstan
- Member
poor sharks
can't they kill the shark first quickly.
it would save them the pain of having their fins sawn off then tossed into the sea to die slowly..
can't they kill the shark first quickly.
it would save them the pain of having their fins sawn off then tossed into the sea to die slowly..
- #36
- 09 January 2011 - 08:24 PM
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