Pillow Talk The discussion thread.
Doesn't explain Jessica continuing to play up her new slutty image, though. Or maybe Jess just decided the easiest path was to go along with it and grab some booty while she was at it? Of course, in that sense, Jessica might just be using boys (Paulo included) in much the same way Roger did with girls (Tess included).
Still eliminating the fan characters, eh, Taeshi? ^_^ Yet Tessa still has more than half a year of school left, and there are still a couple of loose ends to wrap up regarding her. So I doubt she'll be exiting stage left as quickly as all that, though she'll probably fade into the background for a while (especially with the upcoming shitstorm that is mid-December to mid-January in the comic).
Still, it's nice to have the Jess/Tess backstory explained. Perhaps Tess can apologize, and Jessica can agree to bury past grudges? Then a resolution would be achieved.
- 23 March 2011 - 05:44 PM
I see what you did there.
I dunno. I think maybe she was attacked or pressured into doing it, and then began liking it perhaps.
- 23 March 2011 - 06:40 PM
- 24 March 2011 - 12:15 PM
- 24 March 2011 - 01:17 PM
- 25 March 2011 - 07:16 AM
As for Tess, she didn't have to get revenge for her boyfriend, but she chose to. Tess was vindictive in those days, and now she regrets it. Her lies and rumor-spreading were the things that initially caused Jessica to be seen as a slut. Though I agree it's not entirely Tess' fault if Jessica later chose to fall into that slutty role. Personal decisions have to count for something, after all.
- 25 March 2011 - 07:07 PM
"The person who made you a whore is completley untouchable"
And then comes the part where Tess gets dumped. Hmmmmmmmm.
- 25 March 2011 - 11:09 PM
I mean, there's cruel, but then there's cruel!
- 25 March 2011 - 11:25 PM
Gawd, either way, I feel so sorry for her. Getting drugged and rape couldn't have been fun, to say the least.
- 26 March 2011 - 02:08 AM
- 26 March 2011 - 03:01 AM
Tess did first have sex with Roger in her freshman year. However, Roger wasn't the only guy she dated. She also went to a dance with a senior, which is when she was drugged (see here). That doesn't mention anything about rape though, so we can't necessarily assume that's what happened.
- 26 March 2011 - 03:05 AM
Anyway, my exact thoughts about this: I agree with almost everything said here: Jessica is not particularly slutty because of Tess, but probably is still missing us something. I mean, we don't see yet what made her to become like that. Living in the rumors and becoming a real slut? Maybe yes, maybe not, hum.
Tess made a dick move to make Jessica to regret even more for her approach of the dog boy in order to gain access to information that would give a chance to take Roger down somehow. Obviously that revealed to be too risky, but we know that Jessica did that for Rachel's sake. She might be a slut, but is not a bitch.
I somehow compare Jessica with Augustus: they both got their nasty moves but something is hiding under their feet that is preventing us to see why they are like that. For now. Since we are seeing now part of it thanks to the current canon chapter and the incentive comic. Very briefly but is giving us an idea. They are both minor characters but thanks to the big impact that they are doing to the series, is just a question of time until we fully be able to understand them.
Well, now let's see how this "party" is gonna over, lol
- 26 March 2011 - 03:01 PM
This page makes me wish I could be there for Jess too, so she could have... well, more than just one friend who ignores the rumors.
I guess it's possible too that Rachael has already .. done stuff by now .. so she just doesn't care if any of the rumors are true.
- 28 March 2011 - 07:58 AM
- 28 March 2011 - 11:18 AM
Now, if it had been hinted that Rachel was anything but a Paulo fangirl in terms of romantic wishes...
- 28 March 2011 - 12:55 PM
This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 28 March 2011 - 02:46 PM
- 28 March 2011 - 02:44 PM
- 28 March 2011 - 05:38 PM
Judging from the current page, Rachel is a true friend to Jessica, and sticks by her. Pretty heart-warming, I'd say. Probably the reason why Jess loves Rachel. (Maybe more than platonically - I'd suggest the feeling is closer to agape.)
This post has been edited by wacko: 28 March 2011 - 06:17 PM
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- 28 March 2011 - 06:44 PM
This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 01:45 AM
- 29 March 2011 - 01:04 AM
Well, we don't KNOW that Jess has ever slept with anyone besides Paulo - ignoring the fact that we don't know about any of her other relationships, with men or women, Paulo had no way of knowing whether or not Jessica was a virgin when they made love. I'm no expert on this, and if women out there wanna correct me go for it, but as far as I know, the hymen doesn't always break and bleed on a woman's first time, AND it can breake BEFORE she has her first time. I'm not saying Jessica never slept with anyone besides Paulo, I'm saying that it is possible. Our only real way of knowing is from Jessica herself. I wouldn't trust anyone who says they did it with her, as people - men especially - tend to make up stories about having sex to look good, and considering Jess's image, they'd probably say it was her to make it believable. So, Jerk, we don't know that she became a slut.
This post has been edited by Smash Genesis: 29 March 2011 - 01:33 AM
- 29 March 2011 - 01:32 AM
But maybe you are onto something here Smash...So much so that I have a new theory! (an actual good one this time, it has evidence and everything). We know that within a year before Tess changed her ways that Jess was just an average student, there was no reason to call her a slut or anything, it is half safe to assume that her virginity was still intact at this point. This was fairly recent, and with the current comic suggesting that she isn't as slutty as people believe her to be, there is a chance that Paulo could have been her first time.
Look at her experience with Paulo, from what we can see she had absolutely no incentive to call him a bad lover, even though he is apparently amazing, if she wanted to cover up her virginity (which seems one of the only possible reasons she would have insulted him like she did) then she could have said something else which wouldn't have been so hurtful to Paulo, so why would she say this? She might have actually believed that it was a bad experience. Why would she think this? Because she has not ever had anything to compare it with. The problem did not lie with Paulo, the problem is Jess, she didn't enjoy the sex with someone who is good at sexing, she must not be bi, but completely gay.
The list of things which make her gay:
- She found her possible first sexual experience with a male terrible
- Her only two possible love interest are both Female, Lucy, and the chart says possibly Rachel
- To a smaller extent, but still supporting my claim, she backed down from her advances on dog boy a few pages ago
Like to see someone try find a flaw in this one
This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 02:31 PM
- 29 March 2011 - 01:52 AM
First off, that was Paulo's first time before he had been with Rachel, who if you'll remember taught him many things and was a lot easier on him than Jessica. There is no adequate proof that Paulo did a good job his first time, in fact there is more pointing towards him doing very bad.
Secondly you'll notice that Jessica seemed incredibly nervous when talking to the Craig dog and he was making moves towards her. Something had to happen between then and the time she slept with Paulo to make her less anxious about sex.
I have had the theory you had before, but there is just hardly any proof and a couple of holes, so I ditched it.
This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 29 March 2011 - 10:18 AM
- 29 March 2011 - 10:18 AM
The thing that mainly has me wandering is why would Jess want to make people think Paulo is a bad lover? There must be some incentive behind it.
This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 11:08 AM
- 29 March 2011 - 11:07 AM
Because she's evil?
I dunno, I don't think there's a need to explain it, though it would be cool if there was an ulterior motive ^_^
- 29 March 2011 - 12:44 PM
Neither Jess nor Rach wanted to hurt Paulo particularly - it was just a way to get back at Tess.
- 29 March 2011 - 02:15 PM
- 29 March 2011 - 03:14 PM
"Not hearing rumours" is basically what friends do, if they are good friends. ^_^
- 29 March 2011 - 05:28 PM
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- 30 March 2011 - 04:45 AM
Seriously speaking, it was getting really heart-warming. BCB has a knack of stopping the drama and letting you laugh a bit. One of the best traits of the comic, if I do say so myself.
- 30 March 2011 - 04:54 AM
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This post has been edited by RickAstley: 30 March 2011 - 07:26 AM
- 30 March 2011 - 07:26 AM
...it's not entirely clear what Paulo was referring to [by his 'around the block a bit' statement]:
Their quality in bed? Paulo's a master lover, without even knowing it - the pleasure he had could be nothing to do with the girls' abilities. Any 'tips' from Rachel were probably things he was doing anyway, given how pleased she was.
Their willingness to 'shtoink' him? We know that was all Jess' plan to get at Tess, so Paulo could have been an exception.
The fact that they talk about past lovers? All possibly part of the act, since we don't hear of it before Back and Forth.
The rumours around the school? Well, that's the whole point of this section of Pillow Talk...
I feel validated in my existence.
Thanks, Tae. <3
- 30 March 2011 - 08:34 AM
"Well I'll be, should've trusted my instincts and not overanalyzed things when we first discussed Jess virginity in the irc a month or so ago. Also you gotta love David and his facial expressions. They are quite hilarious."
That'll be the last time Space leads me astray.
- 30 March 2011 - 10:10 AM
Oh you. ^_^
Actually, nothing on this page surprises me. While the Jessica revelation is big, somehow Yappy managed to convince me. David's presence was almost a given, really, considering the hints given before.
Still, I hope Tess and Jess and Rachel somehow make up. Oh, not in the "let's be friends forever unicorn rainbow ponies bunny kitten candy!" way. But an acceptance, and a grudging "sorry" from both sides, at least.
- 30 March 2011 - 02:43 PM
- 30 March 2011 - 03:51 PM