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  • #951

  • wacko
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Now we see Tess' motive for spreading lies about Jessica: she wanted to get back at Jess for trying to do something about her boyfriend Roger. So she humiliated Jess and then slammed her head into a locker, which seems pretty typical of her bullying behaviour back then (judging by what she and Roger did to Aaron). Of course, when Tess realized that Roger was just using her and decided to change her life around, she then had to accept that people would always hold grudges against her for what she'd done to them in the past.

Doesn't explain Jessica continuing to play up her new slutty image, though. Or maybe Jess just decided the easiest path was to go along with it and grab some booty while she was at it? Of course, in that sense, Jessica might just be using boys (Paulo included) in much the same way Roger did with girls (Tess included).


Taeshi said:

I wanted to get her sorted out as much as I can so I have no more use for her, so this was needed.

TheDude said:

I think this is going to be her last go round in the spotlight and possibly one of the last chapters where she is featured at all.

Still eliminating the fan characters, eh, Taeshi? ^_^ Yet Tessa still has more than half a year of school left, and there are still a couple of loose ends to wrap up regarding her. So I doubt she'll be exiting stage left as quickly as all that, though she'll probably fade into the background for a while (especially with the upcoming shitstorm that is mid-December to mid-January in the comic).

Still, it's nice to have the Jess/Tess backstory explained. Perhaps Tess can apologize, and Jessica can agree to bury past grudges? Then a resolution would be achieved.
  • #952

  • SushiJaguar
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God damnit it. Paulo x Tess ._.
  • #953

View PostILB, on 23 March 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

Actually, in this universe, that is a bit of a faulty statement. ^_^

I see what you did there. 8-D

View Postwacko, on 23 March 2011 - 05:44 PM, said:

Doesn't explain Jessica continuing to play up her new slutty image, though. Or maybe Jess just decided the easiest path was to go along with it and grab some booty while she was at it?

I dunno. I think maybe she was attacked or pressured into doing it, and then began liking it perhaps.
  • #954

  • ILB
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So did I, Bass. ^_^
  • #955

Is it just me or is Tess's arm look shriveled in the last scene? :unsure:
  • #956

  • Lycan
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SLAM.

Will she lock Jessica inside the locker? XD
  • #957

You know, in an earlier comic the cast were talking about hearing that you can fit a whole person in the lockers. They couldn't have heard this unless someone did get stuffed into a locker before.
  • #958

  • ILB
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Huh. I never even considered that possibility, but now that you mention it... Or perhaps that would be rather contrary to the purpose. Being stuffed in a locker is a staple for nerds and geeks, not people who act promiscuously (or are believed to do so). If anybody was stuck in there by Tess and her associates, I would believe it to be somebody else.
  • #959

I don't really have sympathy for Jessica. Tess didn't "make her into a whore," she just spread the rumor and then Jessica fell into that role. She did something horribly stupid, and she paid for it. I still can't see Tess as any kind of villain. A bitch, yeah, but honestly? Jessica had it coming for trying to get shit on Roger in the first place when she could've just left the damn thing alone. Moron.
  • #960

  • wacko
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I don't disagree that Jessica went about this the wrong way, but I think some sympathy comes from her motives: she was trying to do something for her friends Rachel and Aaron (who both were impacted by Roger).

As for Tess, she didn't have to get revenge for her boyfriend, but she chose to. Tess was vindictive in those days, and now she regrets it. Her lies and rumor-spreading were the things that initially caused Jessica to be seen as a slut. Though I agree it's not entirely Tess' fault if Jessica later chose to fall into that slutty role. Personal decisions have to count for something, after all.
  • #961

"He'd do anything for me. Roughs up anyone that looks at me wrong."
"The person who made you a whore is completley untouchable"

And then comes the part where Tess gets dumped. Hmmmmmmmm.
  • #962

Are... people ever really like this? :question:

I mean, there's cruel, but then there's cruel! :unsure:
  • #963

The date rape was Tess's freshman year, right? I mean, if it wasn't, I'd say getting raped by Roger was what made her realize what she had been doing was wrong, which would cause her to become the person we see when she is introduced. Of course this can't work if Tess really was raped freshman year, as she is a sophomore now.

Gawd, either way, I feel so sorry for her. Getting drugged and rape couldn't have been fun, to say the least.
  • #964

If that's even the real story smash, it was never confirmed to be more than just an overhyped rumor. I doubt it would have been by Roger if it actually did happen anyways.
  • #965

  • wacko
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Smash Genesis, if you're interested in Tess and Roger's backstory, you can read this.

Tess did first have sex with Roger in her freshman year. However, Roger wasn't the only guy she dated. She also went to a dance with a senior, which is when she was drugged (see here). That doesn't mention anything about rape though, so we can't necessarily assume that's what happened.
  • #966

This chapter is being quite interesting as long we are learning about Jessica and Tess's early high school days, even is not the prettiest ones.
Anyway, my exact thoughts about this: I agree with almost everything said here: Jessica is not particularly slutty because of Tess, but probably is still missing us something. I mean, we don't see yet what made her to become like that. Living in the rumors and becoming a real slut? Maybe yes, maybe not, hum.
Tess made a dick move to make Jessica to regret even more for her approach of the dog boy in order to gain access to information that would give a chance to take Roger down somehow. Obviously that revealed to be too risky, but we know that Jessica did that for Rachel's sake. She might be a slut, but is not a bitch.

I somehow compare Jessica with Augustus: they both got their nasty moves but something is hiding under their feet that is preventing us to see why they are like that. For now. Since we are seeing now part of it thanks to the current canon chapter and the incentive comic. Very briefly but is giving us an idea. They are both minor characters but thanks to the big impact that they are doing to the series, is just a question of time until we fully be able to understand them.

Well, now let's see how this "party" is gonna over, lol
  • #967

  • ILB
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EclecticShipping: Jessica and Augustus. :smirk: ;)

They fit ^_^
  • #968

Rachael: True Friend <3

This page makes me wish I could be there for Jess too, so she could have... well, more than just one friend who ignores the rumors.

I guess it's possible too that Rachael has already .. done stuff by now .. so she just doesn't care if any of the rumors are true.
  • #969

Rachel has actually heard the rumors about Jess, she is just hanging out with her because she wants to turn into a total whore and is probably the reason Tess turns into one as well. That, and she is hoping to get between Jess's legs...why else would she have hinted that Jess is Bisexual? Something must have happened in the past for her to hint at this ;)
  • #970

  • ILB
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Ah-hum. That has to do with her feelings for Lucy, as evidenced by the relationship chart and her demeanour in Rehearsal, as well as hinted at earlier in Pillow Talk. ^_^

Now, if it had been hinted that Rachel was anything but a Paulo fangirl in terms of romantic wishes... :smirk:
  • #971

Yes, but Rachel wasn't there during Rehearsals was she? And she couldn't have seen the relationship chart, so there must have been something else which made her even think to hint at Jess's possible bisexuality. Something fishy going on here :P

This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 28 March 2011 - 02:46 PM

  • #972

  • ILB
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The relationship chart also says that she fancies Paulo and David. There is no good or plausible reason at the moment to believe that Rachel is bisexual, or attracted to Jessica. :x
  • #973

Link to this relationship chart?
  • #974

http://www.bitterswe...32?search=chart
  • #975

  • wacko
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ILB is right, Rachel herself isn't bisexual. She is, however, a very good friend of Jessica's, so she knows Jess has a thing for Lucy.

Judging from the current page, Rachel is a true friend to Jessica, and sticks by her. Pretty heart-warming, I'd say. Probably the reason why Jess loves Rachel. (Maybe more than platonically - I'd suggest the feeling is closer to agape.)

This post has been edited by wacko: 28 March 2011 - 06:17 PM

  • #976

Oh boohoo. You whine about a rumor that you're a slut so you actually become one. Way to go.
  • #977

Fair enough, I really do have almost no evidence at all the suggest that about Rachel, it was initially just meant to be a joke thrown onto the end of my real prediction. But really, no one finds it suspicious that she apparently didn't hear the rumors going around about Jess? Also just want to point out, that chart was made a while ago, nothing saying that Taeshi can't mix things up a bit, its called character development, besides character relations change over time, there could have been something between them in the past but in the present they are now just friends.

This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 01:45 AM

  • #978

View PostJerk, on 28 March 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Oh boohoo. You whine about a rumor that you're a slut so you actually become one. Way to go.

Well, we don't KNOW that Jess has ever slept with anyone besides Paulo - ignoring the fact that we don't know about any of her other relationships, with men or women, Paulo had no way of knowing whether or not Jessica was a virgin when they made love. I'm no expert on this, and if women out there wanna correct me go for it, but as far as I know, the hymen doesn't always break and bleed on a woman's first time, AND it can breake BEFORE she has her first time. I'm not saying Jessica never slept with anyone besides Paulo, I'm saying that it is possible. Our only real way of knowing is from Jessica herself. I wouldn't trust anyone who says they did it with her, as people - men especially - tend to make up stories about having sex to look good, and considering Jess's image, they'd probably say it was her to make it believable. So, Jerk, we don't know that she became a slut.

This post has been edited by Smash Genesis: 29 March 2011 - 01:33 AM

  • #979

Even if she hadn't before Paulo (it is still implied heavily that she has though) she still acts like she has, making her a slut.

But maybe you are onto something here Smash...So much so that I have a new theory! (an actual good one this time, it has evidence and everything). We know that within a year before Tess changed her ways that Jess was just an average student, there was no reason to call her a slut or anything, it is half safe to assume that her virginity was still intact at this point. This was fairly recent, and with the current comic suggesting that she isn't as slutty as people believe her to be, there is a chance that Paulo could have been her first time.

Look at her experience with Paulo, from what we can see she had absolutely no incentive to call him a bad lover, even though he is apparently amazing, if she wanted to cover up her virginity (which seems one of the only possible reasons she would have insulted him like she did) then she could have said something else which wouldn't have been so hurtful to Paulo, so why would she say this? She might have actually believed that it was a bad experience. Why would she think this? Because she has not ever had anything to compare it with. The problem did not lie with Paulo, the problem is Jess, she didn't enjoy the sex with someone who is good at sexing, she must not be bi, but completely gay.
The list of things which make her gay:
- She found her possible first sexual experience with a male terrible
- Her only two possible love interest are both Female, Lucy, and the chart says possibly Rachel
- To a smaller extent, but still supporting my claim, she backed down from her advances on dog boy a few pages ago

Like to see someone try find a flaw in this one :smirk:

This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 02:31 PM

  • #980

View Postmatty_batty0, on 29 March 2011 - 01:52 AM, said:

Look at her experience with Paulo, from what we can see she had absolutely no incentive to call him a bad lover, even though he is apparently amazing, if she wanted to cover up her virginity (which seems one of the only possible reasons she would have insulted him like she did) then she could have said something else which wouldn't have been so hurtful to Paulo, so why would she say this? She might have actually believed that it was a bad experience. Why would she think this? Because she has not ever had anything to compare it with. The problem did not lie with Paulo, the problem is Jess, she didn't enjoy the sex with someone who is good at sexing, she must not be bi, but completely gay.

First off, that was Paulo's first time before he had been with Rachel, who if you'll remember taught him many things and was a lot easier on him than Jessica. There is no adequate proof that Paulo did a good job his first time, in fact there is more pointing towards him doing very bad.
Secondly you'll notice that Jessica seemed incredibly nervous when talking to the Craig dog and he was making moves towards her. Something had to happen between then and the time she slept with Paulo to make her less anxious about sex.
I have had the theory you had before, but there is just hardly any proof and a couple of holes, so I ditched it.

This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 29 March 2011 - 10:18 AM

  • #981

It seems this theory isn't as solid as I had first thought. There are possible reasons explaining what you say though (About Craig anyway), Jess could have just grown up, got a bit more mature, plus she was a lot more in control with Paulo than with Craig...as well as being drunk.

The thing that mainly has me wandering is why would Jess want to make people think Paulo is a bad lover? There must be some incentive behind it.

This post has been edited by matty_batty0: 29 March 2011 - 11:08 AM

  • #982

  • Lycan
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To make fun of him?
Because she's evil?

I dunno, I don't think there's a need to explain it, though it would be cool if there was an ulterior motive ^_^
  • #983

Tess is massively protective over Paulo, although she'd never admit it. Sleeping with him AND complaining comes off as a double whammy: "We both banged your maybe-boyfriend... AND HE SUCKS!"

Neither Jess nor Rach wanted to hurt Paulo particularly - it was just a way to get back at Tess.
  • #984

@ Meowth: Yeah, because grudge fucking in a club restroom just screams "I'm not a slut."
  • #985

  • ILB
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Fair enough, I really do have almost no evidence at all the suggest that about Rachel, it was initially just meant to be a joke thrown onto the end of my real prediction. But really, no one finds it suspicious that she apparently didn't hear the rumors going around about Jess? Also just want to point out, that chart was made a while ago, nothing saying that Taeshi can't mix things up a bit, its called character development, besides character relations change over time, there could have been something between them in the past but in the present they are now just friends.


"Not hearing rumours" is basically what friends do, if they are good friends. ^_^
  • #986

Well looks like some of the predictions were right and others were not so right...as of now I have to say Wow, this changes the typical view of Jess a lot, When I first read Back and Forth, I never would have guessed this was coming. Great plot twist, this is one of the many reasons I love this comic...also WTF David (not that we didn't all expect it)
  • #987

I call shenanigans on tonight's update. :nope:
  • #988

I do wonder if the bear who was staring at Rachel's ass on page 12 was actually David in disguise.
  • #989

Funny. I was jokingly shouting "Make out!" in my head by panel 8. Thank you, David! 8-D

Seriously speaking, it was getting really heart-warming. BCB has a knack of stopping the drama and letting you laugh a bit. One of the best traits of the comic, if I do say so myself. :smirk:
  • #990

he was pay by augustus to spy(since augustus woulnt want he's charming face to be damge <3)
  • #991

Hmmnn...Paulo was Jessie's first. But was he Rachel's? :love:
  • #992

BEST PAGE EVER. 8-D 8-D 8-D

This post has been edited by RickAstley: 30 March 2011 - 07:26 AM

  • #993

View PostYappy, on 15 March 2011 - 04:55 PM, said:

...I still hold out a vague hope that B&F was the first time for both Jess and Rachel.



View PostYappy, on 16 March 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

...I'm struggling to find the point in the comic where Jess herself says she's had better - if it was in Back and Forth to Paulo, the same reasoning applies. Could be two deflowerings to Paulo's name, without him even realising.



View PostYappy, on 16 March 2011 - 02:50 AM, said:

...if you had to lie and say he was bad, "You were pretty lousy but then it's my first time" doesn't sound nearly as convincing (or humiliating) as comparing him to fictional lovers. So both of those quotes in your second paragraph could have been pre-planned by the girls, 'for effect'.

...it's not entirely clear what Paulo was referring to [by his 'around the block a bit' statement]:
Their quality in bed? Paulo's a master lover, without even knowing it - the pleasure he had could be nothing to do with the girls' abilities. Any 'tips' from Rachel were probably things he was doing anyway, given how pleased she was.
Their willingness to 'shtoink' him? We know that was all Jess' plan to get at Tess, so Paulo could have been an exception.
The fact that they talk about past lovers? All possibly part of the act, since we don't hear of it before Back and Forth.
The rumours around the school? Well, that's the whole point of this section of Pillow Talk...



I feel validated in my existence.

Thanks, Tae. <3
  • #994

God I'm tired.
"Well I'll be, should've trusted my instincts and not overanalyzed things when we first discussed Jess virginity in the irc a month or so ago. Also you gotta love David and his facial expressions. They are quite hilarious."
That'll be the last time Space leads me astray.
  • #995

Well it's about time that I wasn't completely wrong about something.
  • #996

Consider my mind blown.
  • #997

  • ILB
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I call shenanigans on tonight's update.


Oh you. ^_^

Actually, nothing on this page surprises me. While the Jessica revelation is big, somehow Yappy managed to convince me. David's presence was almost a given, really, considering the hints given before.

Still, I hope Tess and Jess and Rachel somehow make up. Oh, not in the "let's be friends forever unicorn rainbow ponies bunny kitten candy!" way. But an acceptance, and a grudging "sorry" from both sides, at least.
  • #998

You remember that stuffed animal on the bed in the comic? That was david in disguise, starin' at dem asses.
http://www.bitterswe...om/c63/p12.html
It was a fursuit -- the lack of eyes signify it as not being worn.
http://www.bitterswe...om/c63/p37.html
8-D
  • #999

View PostRickAstley, on 30 March 2011 - 07:26 AM, said:

BEST PAGE EVER.

Agreed
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