Twilight: Why you love/hate it Give a serious reason why you either love or hate Twilight.
- 20 January 2011 - 05:57 AM
Now my opinion, is based on what I've heard of the series (and only what I've heard).
So, as some of you have already mentioned, it basically butchers the concept of a vampire, which in my opinion, is important. Did they have to make him so nice and change the vampire nature in order to be able to have a romance story with vampires? No I don't think they had to. I will now present you with and example:
Tsukihime (Graphic novel/Dating sim)
Basically, Tsukihime is (in my eyes) Twilight done right. Romance story between a human and a vampire, with the slight difference that in this one the vampire is the girl instead.
Tsukihime was terrifying, brutal, funny, and heartwarming. All at the same time.
Tsukihime does play with the concept of vampires as well, but at least it takes a while to explain why vampires work the way they work (basically, the main bloodline vampires are superior and can be around in the Sun, while the bitten-transformed ones die on the sunlight; one of many differences between the two races).
So yeah, I've never heard about an explanation about why Edward's so different from the vampires we know.
This post has been edited by ZoeStellan: 20 January 2011 - 08:13 AM
- 20 January 2011 - 08:12 AM
(I never read the book)
I hope you realize that you are terrible.
Note: I don't know if the books are good and won't form an opinion on them a good friend of mine likes them so I will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I have seen one movie and it was painfully angsty.
Honestly, I think the only way you can get a vampire "wrong" is if you called something that definitely doesn't suck blood a "vampire". Oh wait, nevermind! Because in some other cultures, their vampires eat dung! In other cultures, their vampires live among humans and taught the first humans how to farm! Besides, if it took the Twilight series to ruin vampires for you, I don't think you were really paying attention to vampires in pop culture very carefully before hand.
Also, you're using your hatred of only PART the fanbase as a basis for your dislike of the books. That'd be like disliking all Republicans because you have a hatred for rednecks.
Oh, and about the movies, the movies are total crap. Terrible directing and acting in my opinion, as well as a terrible script adaptation.
Oh, and I see you haven't even read the books yet you hate them. Wow.
- 20 January 2011 - 12:55 PM
The only thing I can't stand is the mutherfuking fans. A bunch of those bitches actually managed to storm me and a group of heckling friends out of the theater. Bitches.
Also, Stephenie Meyer has great taste in music, so I can't really hate her.
This post has been edited by Scotch: 20 January 2011 - 04:23 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 04:23 PM
but i don't want to waste money on something that i don't like the look of
(the sparkles, the fan base and the main girl put me off big time)
- 20 January 2011 - 07:37 PM
And I agree with Scotch, Twilight should be in $5 romance novel section of the bookstore.
I still cannot fathom how it got as popular as it did.
This post has been edited by CaptainBaconMan: 20 January 2011 - 07:46 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 07:46 PM
Uhh.. Ever heard of Lestat? Best. Vampire. Ever
If you want a really good read read the Anne Rice books, starting with the 'Interview with a Vampire'
Also, i have read the Twilight books, and seen the films. I hate them. In the book you can never be sure where they are. Forks, sure, but whats the weather like? What time of day is it? Her description skills are lacking. The Fourth Book is like softcore porn done badly, and again like its for Meyer's own personal satisfaction.
The werewolf isn't even a werewolf, he's a shapeshifter. They just choose to be wolves... Also, those things in the movie are just too darned cute to be taken seriously. I mean, they look so fluffy and cuddly!!
I also have a really big problem with Bella and Edwards relationship. Apart from wanting to make out like rabbits. THEY HAVE NO COMMON INTEREST. AT ALL. If you can name me one, i would be surprised
It's a hollywood version of love, misinforming, and downright sexist in its attitudes. Bella is not a good role model, and being a Feminist myself, it angers me
He bloody sparkles!! She takes absolutely nothing from vampire lore except maybe good looks, which is just coincidental to suit the 'story'
Meyer also twilightfied Muse
If you want to read a good modern Vampire story, I seriously recommend 'Interview with a Vampire' by Anne Rice and 'Parasite Positive' by Scott Westerfield
On a final note
This post has been edited by Luminaria: 20 January 2011 - 08:26 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 08:25 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 08:26 PM
You like it? That's fine, but you should probably put down your posters and signs depicting nubile teen hunks and not react to negative criticism of the text like a person has just tried to make a toilet out of your face. You want to rave like an idiot about the books? Great. You want to be bestial in your affection for one or several of the characters? Awesome. But you should know better than to do it in public and expect not to be criticized.
You don't like it? That's great, maybe if you were a little less irrational about why and how much you dislike it, the subject wouldn't receive as much popular attention and you wouldn't have to hear about it half as often as you do. You want to call the fans dumb? Cool. That's probably justifiable, but just how much of your time is it reasonable to devote to disliking it? Why spend more than a few moments concerned with something you think is utterly retarded? Do you hate yourself that much?
I'm not accusing anyone in the forums of behaving like this, but there are people that do. If you're oblivious, a relatively shallow google search should be enough to tell you that. As to the question of why the book is so popular, I'd be really interested to see a study done...but not interested enough, I guess, to read or watch any of the actual series.
- 20 January 2011 - 08:39 PM
Secondly I realize vampire is a very broad term and can be basically anything that takes life force even though technically succubus would fall under this. My problem is that they decided to make him a vampire, but then made him a pussy that the only vampire like trait about him is his ability to suck blood which he revokes. Yes I know the whole vampire not liking his curse thing has been used before, but those stories they still were vampire like they were brooding and dark hated humanity, but they were not angsty and just wanted hugs. I think you need to take a chill pill and to read someones opinion before you attempt to destroy it
This post has been edited by Rawrdinosaur: 20 January 2011 - 09:38 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 09:23 PM
Really, her vampires may not be as shitty but they are still shit.
- 20 January 2011 - 09:41 PM
- 20 January 2011 - 10:55 PM
But Im depressed because if I go under the sunlight, I will glow like a FUCKING DRAG-QUEEN!"
That is being a vampire? Where do I have to sign? I would go to Rio de Janeiro and become the queen of all the carnivals!
- 22 January 2011 - 08:11 AM
in conclusion...not my cup of tea
This post has been edited by Goldwulf Q. Triplesexy: 22 January 2011 - 09:31 PM
- 22 January 2011 - 07:45 PM
Not to disagree, but really, why is it everyone thinks "Carnival" when they think of Rio? I also think of beaches and one huge slum. But why Rio and carnivals? São Paulo's pride parade is way more of a big event.
But on to topic. I don't hate Twilight, I don't think it's the crappiest thing ever and I don't think Meyer writes badly. But I do think it's silly and too simple, and kind of anachronic, like all typical romantic novels/movies/stories are. Really, this is post-modernism, who needs romantism as a core? I say it's relaxing to read something like that every once in a while, but it isn't really "OMG best book evAH!".
Btw, I assume everyone in this forum reads bcb. Sorry to tell you guys, but bcb is just an evoluted version of romantic drama with some (good) comedy amidst. And really, if you ask anyone normal, meaning NOT any of us readers, they'd say bcb is just as stupid as twilight. They'd go all "omg cats and dogs befriending and living school lives with furries society! that's soooo laaaaame! furfags!! y'all so gay."
But, well, that's not my opinion. Just saying it so that hopefully you will notice that spreading weird addoration or morbid hatred for Twilight isn't going to make you feel any better. Really.
- 23 January 2011 - 12:39 AM
using the word furfag offends me. I happen to love furries. however i do agree with you about the vampire vs. wolves idea.
- 23 January 2011 - 04:02 AM
I hate the fact that vampires sparkle in daylight. That's just gay.
For some reason, what I don't consider gay is that vampires can have special abilities.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the majority of both boys and girls in my grade hate it.
Oh, and the first movie sucked like hell, and I hope that the other ones are better, since I didn't get a chance to watch them yet.
- 25 July 2012 - 04:09 PM
That being said. I have read the books.
The books, are books. they aren't terrible, but they aren't really worth reading either. They are mediocre and fade into the background of many similar paranormal books I have picked up and read on whim. Nothing memorable. The helpless girl finds her super powered boyfriend who can do no wrong and they have freaky sex and save the world. The end. So, I don't care. I neither like nor dislike this book. I give it a "MEH."
Now the movies.... the movies are absolute SHIT. I went to see the first one with a friend who was die hard twilight (and later jumped on the hater wagon. Sheep heads at their finest.) and really.... it sucked so much. I could have seen dark knight instead but I was stuck watching that crap. I went back to the second to see if it got any better and walked out maybe... ten minutes after it started. Waste of time, the director, because yes I watched the director talk about directing the movie just to see, struck me as a complete idiot who should never have been given the title of "director" or maybe its just that unlike a book where you can skip fifty pages or so when you get bored, you can't fast forward a movie theater. Who knows.
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- 27 July 2012 - 09:24 AM
also they don't friggin sparkle
- 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM
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- 30 July 2012 - 10:27 AM
What the fuck are you talking about?
- 30 July 2012 - 05:40 PM
OH YEAH, I ALMOST FORGOT.
- 30 July 2012 - 07:31 PM
My main complaints about it is that the writing is bland and the characters has literally no life to them. Bella's just a plot device that gets Mary-Sue powers at the end, Edwards the "suave sexy and totally irresistible" vampire guy for Bella, and Jacob is the love rival who happens to be a werewolf who decided that "when Bella's baby grows up i'm totally gonna tap that."
I don't think it's horrible, some characters are enjoyable like Charlie for example, but at the end of the day it's just bland and I couldn't care less about it in the long-run.
- 30 July 2012 - 07:46 PM
the classic "Vampyre".
- 30 July 2012 - 10:54 PM
You know it sucks,
But all the scrubs like it,
What the fu-ck?
Let's join together,
And start a fire,
Cause we all really, hate, Stephanie Meyerrr
Everybody wishes Bella would dieeeeeeeeeee.....
This post has been edited by falconboy99: 04 November 2012 - 11:15 PM
- 08 August 2012 - 04:40 AM
THANK YOU. Though you said it like a hipster.
Its the people that hate Twilight because its the popular thing to do that get on my nerves. In other news I think The Hunger Games will be the next big thing to hate. It swelled in popularity and got a movie in much the same way as Twilight and I have already seen a few things about how it is "just as lame as Twilight."
- 08 August 2012 - 02:00 PM
Hating hipsters is typical mainstream bullshit. As is being a hipster, in an ironic, paradoxical, nonobjective twist.
And the Hunger Games won't get the same shit. It will get some shit; all things get shit. Especially popular things. The more people who like a thing, the bigger of a shit magnet said thing becomes. Though, Hunger Games is regarded as being entirely better most of the time, and a lot of Twilight haters actually love it.
- 08 August 2012 - 04:15 PM
romanticizes what is essentially an abusive relationship
pedophilia and sexual grooming of a child in the fourth book
it's just not your thing
the writing style is painful to read
bad/stupid reasons to hate Twilight:
it's for gurls
tehy ruine vampirrs
you're an idiot:
"i havent read it nor do i know anything about it but i HATE HATE HATE TWILIGHT"
- 09 August 2012 - 12:18 AM
I really wish I would have read it. I probably would have enjoyed it more then New Moon, where she tried to kill herself. Lol'd hard.
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