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Gay marrige Your thoughts and explanations
Gay marrige and your opinons remember! If you are opposed to it you can always get support from cristanu2ber and Joshu2ber
- #1
- 19 January 2011 - 01:44 AM
- Pants
- Member
It's a symbolic and legal act that people force religion too much upon. Gay people are here to stay, it's not a big deal. I'm not gay, and I'm happy for anyone else who can find a significant other to spend their days with. Furthermore, I'm happy to see the that governments support them financially and legally with marriage laws.
- #2
- 19 January 2011 - 01:46 AM
- Quaddy
- Member
In twenty years, gay marriage will be just like the huge interracial marriage kerfluffle last century. I suspect that pretty soon the conservative leadership is going to be pretending they supported it all along. Throughout US history our culture has become more and more equal and accepting, and I don't see that stopping any time soon 
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- #3
- 19 January 2011 - 01:53 AM
- Dr. Klaus
Member
Pants, on 19 January 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:
It's a symbolic and legal act that people force religion too much upon. Gay people are here to stay, it's not a big deal. I'm not gay, and I'm happy for anyone else who can find a significant other to spend their days with. Furthermore, I'm happy to see the that governments support them financially and legally with marriage laws.
You said exactly my standing on this. Thank you, for I could not have possibly stated it better without messing up.
- #4
- 19 January 2011 - 01:55 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member 
Does it matter what our thoughts are? It happens, it's gonna carry on happening, so we'd better get used to it.
- #6
- 19 January 2011 - 02:08 AM
- TheBellBoy
- Member
I'm for Gay Marriage. I like gay people. So it's only natural I support this.
- #7
- 19 January 2011 - 02:10 AM
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:08 AM, said:
Does it matter what our thoughts are? It happens, it's gonna carry on happening, so we'd better get used to it.
no I'm just trying to find out where people stand
- #8
- 19 January 2011 - 02:11 AM
Does it cause anyone harm? The data says no.
Therefore, we don't have a right to tell gay people they can't get married.
Also, I really don't care if they do. It's their own choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me.
Therefore, we don't have a right to tell gay people they can't get married.
Also, I really don't care if they do. It's their own choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me.
- #10
- 19 January 2011 - 02:17 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
King; There's a difference between being gay and things like bestiality. Firstly, the notion of bestiality repulses me. You were born a human being for a reason, and fucking animals is not that reason. As far as incest goes, it mutates the offspring eventually, so not only is it inconsiderate as all fuck, it's dooming your family line to misshapen abominations in place of actual humans.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
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- #11
- 19 January 2011 - 02:20 AM
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:
King; There's a difference between being gay and things like bestiality. Firstly, the notion of bestiality repulses me. You were born a human being for a reason, and fucking animals is not that reason. As far as incest goes, it mutates the offspring eventually, so not only is it inconsiderate as all fuck, it's dooming your family line to misshapen abominations in place of actual humans.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
As a devil's advocate here you are being a hypocrite. Not only do you, by saying that you have no defensible position to take against pedophiles, make that argument seem illogical you make your other arguments seem less valid
- #12
- 19 January 2011 - 02:29 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
I don't deny it. It is totally illogical to take a stand against something and not be able to provide a reason for it, in completely dispassionate terms, but when you feel that something is undoable with every fibre of your body, then you just gotta run with it.
I don't see how I'm being a hypocrite, though. I'd have to be indulging in all three to be a hypocrite, and I'd probably have commited suicide long ago if I had done. My arguments could very well be invalid, but this thread is for sharing opinions, is it not? I can most likely source research on incest-driven mutation if you like, though.
I don't see how I'm being a hypocrite, though. I'd have to be indulging in all three to be a hypocrite, and I'd probably have commited suicide long ago if I had done. My arguments could very well be invalid, but this thread is for sharing opinions, is it not? I can most likely source research on incest-driven mutation if you like, though.
- #13
- 19 January 2011 - 02:34 AM
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
I'll give you one: it hurts children.
- #14
- 19 January 2011 - 02:34 AM
- Lycan
- call me lyucs
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Quote
You were born a human being for a reason, and fucking animals is not that reason
Change 'animals' to 'people of the same gender as you' and you have the argument of some people who are against gay marriage.
I was defending gay marriage in a group of friends (which can be very hard to do while not being gay
)And we all got to the point in which I made the question: "It's only wrong if it causes harm in an dishonest way to anyone"
Some came up with "They can't have children" and I couldn't get in their heads that that's people's own choice, that they're not necessarily doing harm to themselves like that.
Guh, people can be hard headed sometimes.
I mean, I can understand the thought of being against it, but going as far as to prohibit others?
To do that you gotta have a hell of a good argument.
- #15
- 19 January 2011 - 02:34 AM
I'm with Lycan. I've heard 0 good arguments against allowing gay people to marry.
- #16
- 19 January 2011 - 02:35 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
Lycan; You raise a good point. The only real thing you can use to back yourself up when going against bestiality is that it's pretty damn hard to tell if an animal is giving consent. Not to mention if we start allowing people to have sex with animals as they please, we would have to tweak the consent laws to prevent "animal rape", I'd assume. Treating animals as the equals of human beings is something I have no problem with, if only they were. Unfortunately, you can't ask a dog if it enjoys getting shagged by John Doe, and therein lies my problem.
(That and the idea of shagging any animal is just plain...no.)
(That and the idea of shagging any animal is just plain...no.)
- #17
- 19 January 2011 - 02:38 AM
Lycan, on 19 January 2011 - 02:34 AM, said:
Quote
You were born a human being for a reason, and fucking animals is not that reason
Change 'animals' to 'people of the same gender as you' and you have the argument of some people who are against gay marriage.
nuff' said
- #18
- 19 January 2011 - 02:38 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 02:29 AM, said:
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:20 AM, said:
King; There's a difference between being gay and things like bestiality. Firstly, the notion of bestiality repulses me. You were born a human being for a reason, and fucking animals is not that reason. As far as incest goes, it mutates the offspring eventually, so not only is it inconsiderate as all fuck, it's dooming your family line to misshapen abominations in place of actual humans.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
And paedophilia is just sickening. Just plain wrong. I don't have a good, defensible position to take against it, but I am against it.
As a devil's advocate here you are being a hypocrite. Not only do you, by saying that you have no defensible position to take against pedophiles, make that argument seem illogical you make your other arguments seem less valid
Not to say you don't have a point, but I think we all know what the moral issue is with pedophilia. Not only are minors not fully developed yet, but they also don't understand adult situations. They are too young to make those decisions themselves, unless you're talking about the 16 or 17 age in which this debate gets nuanced and cloudy.
- #20
- 19 January 2011 - 02:45 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
Sixteen and seventeen is a perfectly viable age to choose to have sex or not. You say yeah at that age, it's your own problem to deal with.
- #21
- 19 January 2011 - 02:47 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Starwatcher, on 19 January 2011 - 02:35 AM, said:
I'm with Lycan. I've heard 0 good arguments against allowing gay people to marry.
There really shouldn't be any argument against gay marriage in my opinion; however, gays wedded by a priest might be a different story. I've never read the bible, but these moral conservatives go on and on about marriage being between a man and a woman.
So my opinion: Gays married by the state = perfectly fine; Gays married by a priest/church = up to the decision of that specific church.
- #23
- 19 January 2011 - 02:51 AM
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:
Sixteen and seventeen is a perfectly viable age to choose to have sex or not. You say yeah at that age, it's your own problem to deal with.
don't you think it depends on the kid though? I'd elaborate but that pretty much says it all
- #24
- 19 January 2011 - 02:53 AM
- Lycan
- call me lyucs
Member
Nice video, Mr. God... hum, less. 
"I'll give you one: it hurts children. "
Well, that's not exactly enough... We have to complement it with the whole "fully conscious people" thing.
Notice that I used 'people' instead of 'adults'
EDIT:
Damn, it's hard to post here without having 3~4 posts while I write mine >_<
"So my opinion: Gays married by the state = perfectly fine; Gays married by a priest/church = up to the decision of that specific church. "
I like this opinion, Mr. Moosack ^_^
Though I'd like my religion to 'advance' and accept gay marriage. That's somewhat hard to happen, though.
(Christian)
"I'll give you one: it hurts children. "
Well, that's not exactly enough... We have to complement it with the whole "fully conscious people" thing.
Notice that I used 'people' instead of 'adults'
EDIT:
Damn, it's hard to post here without having 3~4 posts while I write mine >_<
"So my opinion: Gays married by the state = perfectly fine; Gays married by a priest/church = up to the decision of that specific church. "
I like this opinion, Mr. Moosack ^_^
Though I'd like my religion to 'advance' and accept gay marriage. That's somewhat hard to happen, though.
(Christian)
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- #25
- 19 January 2011 - 02:53 AM
- Moosack
- Member
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:
Sixteen and seventeen is a perfectly viable age to choose to have sex or not. You say yeah at that age, it's your own problem to deal with.
But that's where it gets cloudy: they can't even vote yet, buy alcohol, smoke legally, or join the army. I'm perfectly fine with the age of consent being at 17, but there are many others who hate the idea.
Lycan, on 19 January 2011 - 02:53 AM, said:
"I'll give you one: it hurts children. "
Well, that's not exactly enough... We have to complement it with the whole "fully conscious people" thing.
Notice that I used 'people' instead of 'adults'
Well, that's not exactly enough... We have to complement it with the whole "fully conscious people" thing.
Notice that I used 'people' instead of 'adults'
read my reasons above
- #26
- 19 January 2011 - 02:56 AM
Moosack, on 19 January 2011 - 02:51 AM, said:
Starwatcher, on 19 January 2011 - 02:35 AM, said:
I'm with Lycan. I've heard 0 good arguments against allowing gay people to marry.
There really shouldn't be any argument against gay marriage in my opinion; however, gays wedded by a priest might be a different story. I've never read the bible, but these moral conservatives go on and on about marriage being between a man and a woman.
So my opinion: Gays married by the state = perfectly fine; Gays married by a priest/church = up to the decision of that specific church.
I read a bible once it was one of those tiny ones handed out by people trying to convert you about 2" by 4" I was going to go through and highlight any thing illogical but it turns out I don't have the attention span. They make great toilett paper tho'
- #29
- 19 January 2011 - 03:00 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:
I read a bible once it was one of those tiny ones handed out by people trying to convert you about 2" by 4" I was going to go through and highlight any thing illogical but it turns out I don't have the attention span. They make great toilett paper tho'
It's an important piece of literature... and unfortunately, I'm taking a bible as literature class in uni next semester.
- #31
- 19 January 2011 - 03:03 AM
- Lycan
- call me lyucs
Member
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:
I was going to go through and highlight any thing illogical but it turns out I don't have the attention span. They make great toilett paper tho'
Sermons
But I really really don't wanna turn this into a religion thread, there is one already >_<
Anyways, normal paper is really bad to use as toilet paper
- #32
- 19 January 2011 - 03:06 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
Godless; Yeah, it does depend on the kid, for the most part. Every situation is pretty unique.
Moosack; Why does it get cloudy? Age laws are all over the fuckin' show. You can join the Army at sixteen. You can operate a fifty pound howitzer at seventeen and kill people and be PAID for it. Smoking legally is another bullshit age law. The only reason so many people do it underage is because it's prohibited. The tobacco market wouldn't be half so profitable ifpeople didn't buy illegally or get others to buy for them. As far as drinking goes, that should be monitored a bit closer, because it can have a much more immediate effect on a person's health. Dying in a car crash with smoking cigarettes as a direct cause just doesn't happen, compared to drunk driving accidents.
It's up to the individual in question. There are loads of guys my age who make all the wrong decisions because they're incapable of making the right ones. If each individual person could be monitored properly without invasion of privacy, things would be a lot simpler. It just doesn't happen like tha. But they could at least make the age laws more unified and logical.
'Cause, you know, shooting Taliban from the Minigun attatched to a Chinook at eighteen is certainly less traumatizing and effectual on your personality than smoking a cigarette.
Moosack; Why does it get cloudy? Age laws are all over the fuckin' show. You can join the Army at sixteen. You can operate a fifty pound howitzer at seventeen and kill people and be PAID for it. Smoking legally is another bullshit age law. The only reason so many people do it underage is because it's prohibited. The tobacco market wouldn't be half so profitable ifpeople didn't buy illegally or get others to buy for them. As far as drinking goes, that should be monitored a bit closer, because it can have a much more immediate effect on a person's health. Dying in a car crash with smoking cigarettes as a direct cause just doesn't happen, compared to drunk driving accidents.
It's up to the individual in question. There are loads of guys my age who make all the wrong decisions because they're incapable of making the right ones. If each individual person could be monitored properly without invasion of privacy, things would be a lot simpler. It just doesn't happen like tha. But they could at least make the age laws more unified and logical.
'Cause, you know, shooting Taliban from the Minigun attatched to a Chinook at eighteen is certainly less traumatizing and effectual on your personality than smoking a cigarette.
- #33
- 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Lycan, on 19 January 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:
I can say I was fully aware of sex's meaning and consequences and everything ever since I was 9yo!
Does that mean I could have had sex then?
I'm joking, but that is a flaw in our argument.
Should there be a base age before sex-allowing?
Does that mean I could have had sex then?
I'm joking, but that is a flaw in our argument.
Should there be a base age before sex-allowing?
It's not about understanding what it is (I guess I could have worded it better), it's about understanding the situation (it's knowing the act vs. knowing the feelings behind it). Adults know full well what their intentions are while kids do not.
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- #34
- 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM
whf, on 19 January 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:
gays are disgusting they should not marry or have sex or adopt children or exist we must have a gay holocaust
I can't tell if your joking
- #35
- 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
Member
Godless, if something whf says makes him seem like the biggest crime of nature ever commited, you're right.
- #36
- 19 January 2011 - 03:10 AM
- Taeshi
- one hot bitch
Administrator 
No, there IS a difference between gay marriage and the other examples. Jesus christ, you people.
Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that.
Incest is wrong because incest has been proven to fuck up your genes. You get all these inbred kids that have things wrong with them, and if incest is all-around encouraged as a normal thing they'll go on to have MORE inbred kids. MORE fuck ups in the gene pool! It is something that actually harms humanity, and should not be encouraged.
And christ, bestiality? I know animals are your friend, but they aren't of the mind-capability to be your fuck-toy as well! Jesus christ! Zoophiles can say all that bullshit about animals "being close to you" and "they allow", but that's a lot of freaken bullshit. You CAN'T know what they truly want because they CAN'T talk! They are a DIFFERENT SPECIES. They have their own mating rituals and stuff, their own interest in their own species. Why can't this be platonic?
It's all a case of not being able to consent (children, animals), and a case of they actually freaken ruin genes (incest)
It's so offensive that people compare gays to this. There is NOTHING WRONG with being gay, but you can point out so many things wrong with the three before. I'm astounded we're even having this argument.
Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that.
Incest is wrong because incest has been proven to fuck up your genes. You get all these inbred kids that have things wrong with them, and if incest is all-around encouraged as a normal thing they'll go on to have MORE inbred kids. MORE fuck ups in the gene pool! It is something that actually harms humanity, and should not be encouraged.
And christ, bestiality? I know animals are your friend, but they aren't of the mind-capability to be your fuck-toy as well! Jesus christ! Zoophiles can say all that bullshit about animals "being close to you" and "they allow", but that's a lot of freaken bullshit. You CAN'T know what they truly want because they CAN'T talk! They are a DIFFERENT SPECIES. They have their own mating rituals and stuff, their own interest in their own species. Why can't this be platonic?
It's all a case of not being able to consent (children, animals), and a case of they actually freaken ruin genes (incest)
It's so offensive that people compare gays to this. There is NOTHING WRONG with being gay, but you can point out so many things wrong with the three before. I'm astounded we're even having this argument.
- #37
- 19 January 2011 - 03:11 AM
- Lycan
- call me lyucs
Member
Moosack, on 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:
Adults know full well what their intentions are while kids do not.
Oh, but do they?
There are some adults that conserve their immaturity from childhood...
Very complicated, this matter is.
Guh, I marked the "Said things like Yoda in a serious conversation" in the Nerd Test
- #38
- 19 January 2011 - 03:12 AM
- Jerk
- Member
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:
I read a bible once it was one of those tiny ones handed out by people trying to convert you about 2" by 4" I was going to go through and highlight any thing illogical but it turns out I don't have the attention span. They make great toilett paper tho'
Knee-jerk Atheism is as bad as knee-jerk Conservatism. Frankly, as long as you don't accept it as the literal word of God, you can see it as a classic series of stories and poetry that created some of the most important literary themes of all time. Hell, Christianity inspired a great deal of the greatest works of art in the history of mankind.
- #40
- 19 January 2011 - 03:13 AM
- Moosack
- Member
SushiJaguar, on 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:
Godless; Yeah, it does depend on the kid, for the most part. Every situation is pretty unique.
Moosack; Why does it get cloudy? Age laws are all over the fuckin' show. You can join the Army at sixteen. You can operate a fifty pound howitzer at seventeen and kill people and be PAID for it. Smoking legally is another bullshit age law. The only reason so many people do it underage is because it's prohibited. The tobacco market wouldn't be half so profitable ifpeople didn't buy illegally or get others to buy for them. As far as drinking goes, that should be monitored a bit closer, because it can have a much more immediate effect on a person's health. Dying in a car crash with smoking cigarettes as a direct cause just doesn't happen, compared to drunk driving accidents.
It's up to the individual in question. There are loads of guys my age who make all the wrong decisions because they're incapable of making the right ones. If each individual person could be monitored properly without invasion of privacy, things would be a lot simpler. It just doesn't happen like tha. But they could at least make the age laws more unified and logical.
'Cause, you know, shooting Taliban from the Minigun attatched to a Chinook at eighteen is certainly less traumatizing and effectual on your personality than smoking a cigarette.
Moosack; Why does it get cloudy? Age laws are all over the fuckin' show. You can join the Army at sixteen. You can operate a fifty pound howitzer at seventeen and kill people and be PAID for it. Smoking legally is another bullshit age law. The only reason so many people do it underage is because it's prohibited. The tobacco market wouldn't be half so profitable ifpeople didn't buy illegally or get others to buy for them. As far as drinking goes, that should be monitored a bit closer, because it can have a much more immediate effect on a person's health. Dying in a car crash with smoking cigarettes as a direct cause just doesn't happen, compared to drunk driving accidents.
It's up to the individual in question. There are loads of guys my age who make all the wrong decisions because they're incapable of making the right ones. If each individual person could be monitored properly without invasion of privacy, things would be a lot simpler. It just doesn't happen like tha. But they could at least make the age laws more unified and logical.
'Cause, you know, shooting Taliban from the Minigun attatched to a Chinook at eighteen is certainly less traumatizing and effectual on your personality than smoking a cigarette.
I think the actual age is 17 (16 with parental knowledge and approval) and you cannot join the army without first completing or dropping out of high school. But the whole issue gets cloudy at age 16-17 because you could argue that they know what's going on and know whats right or wrong. What I was suggesting with the "you can't do this at this age" is why there is such a fine line.
More importantly, if the 16-17 year old understands this and has sex with an individual that is above 18, does that count as rape or consensual sex? This what I wanted to get at--this is what makes this a "cloudy" situation.
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:
whf, on 19 January 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:
gays are disgusting they should not marry or have sex or adopt children or exist we must have a gay holocaust
I can't tell if your joking
This is whf we're talking about...
- #42
- 19 January 2011 - 03:17 AM
- Lycan
- call me lyucs
Member
Oh, come on, Taeshi-san. We're way past that.
Even though that comparison was briefly mentioned, the discussion shifted FROM gay marriage TO these other issues.
Geez, calm yourself
Anyways, to sum it up, the arguments you did for Bestiality and Incest have already been done, and we all agree with that (I used 'all', if I can be excused).
The thing about
"Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that."
Is its exceptions. We're not discussing obvious children like that. We're discussing the "What if the underage person has a body built for sex, can have children, is mature enough?"
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
EDIT:
At least, that's what I hope we're discussing here
Even though that comparison was briefly mentioned, the discussion shifted FROM gay marriage TO these other issues.
Geez, calm yourself
Anyways, to sum it up, the arguments you did for Bestiality and Incest have already been done, and we all agree with that (I used 'all', if I can be excused).
The thing about
"Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that."
Is its exceptions. We're not discussing obvious children like that. We're discussing the "What if the underage person has a body built for sex, can have children, is mature enough?"
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
EDIT:
At least, that's what I hope we're discussing here
This post has been edited by Lycan: 19 January 2011 - 03:24 AM
- #43
- 19 January 2011 - 03:22 AM
- ClosetLucy
- Member
Godless, on 19 January 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:
whf, on 19 January 2011 - 03:02 AM, said:
gays are disgusting they should not marry or have sex or adopt children or exist we must have a gay holocaust
I can't tell if your joking
You don't come here often than.
- #44
- 19 January 2011 - 03:23 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Jerk, on 19 January 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:
Knee-jerk Atheism is as bad as knee-jerk Conservatism. Frankly, as long as you don't accept it as the literal word of God, you can see it as a classic series of stories and poetry that created some of the most important literary themes of all time. Hell, Christianity inspired a great deal of the greatest works of art in the history of mankind.
Right-on... but I too find it very tedious. It was like reading Moby Dick for the first time: if It wasn't highly recommended by my teachers and professors, I don't think I would crack it open for the life of me.
I'm only going to read it based on it's importance to literature (I feel placed at a disadvantage in my English courses without it).
- #45
- 19 January 2011 - 03:24 AM
- Treeless Druid
- Member
I think i can manage to feel more anger at people who think being gay is wrong, than those people can to gays. The anger may be unneeded but i feel its an acomplishment
- #46
- 19 January 2011 - 03:26 AM
- Pants
- Member
Lycan, on 19 January 2011 - 03:22 AM, said:
Oh, come on, Taeshi-san. We're way past that.
Even though that comparison was briefly mentioned, the discussion shifted FROM gay marriage TO these other issues.
Geez, calm yourself
Anyways, to sum it up, the arguments you did for Bestiality and Incest have already been done, and we all agree with that (I used 'all', if I can be excused).
The thing about
"Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that."
Is its exceptions. We're not discussing obvious children like that. We're discussing the "What if the underage person has a body built for sex, can have children, is mature enough?"
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
Even though that comparison was briefly mentioned, the discussion shifted FROM gay marriage TO these other issues.
Geez, calm yourself
Anyways, to sum it up, the arguments you did for Bestiality and Incest have already been done, and we all agree with that (I used 'all', if I can be excused).
The thing about
"Pedophilia is wrong because children are not of the maturity level to make decisions like that. Their bodies are not built for sexuality just yet, that is why they can't freaken have children. They are too young to be tied to a relationship that is supposed to be for the rest of their lives, they are not of the maturity to make decisions like that."
Is its exceptions. We're not discussing obvious children like that. We're discussing the "What if the underage person has a body built for sex, can have children, is mature enough?"
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
We have set laws because maturity differs vastly from person to person.
Potentionally there could be a child of 14 that could understand and be able to process the ramifications of sexual activity. However, in most cases we have found that the median age for sexual understanding is around 18 years of age. This is both due to allowing the brain and body to fully develop, as well as providing a fast amount of time for humans beings to process and understand the process of how sexual interactions can have major implications on their lives. Of course, different countries have varying rules of what is and is not acceptable.
- #47
- 19 January 2011 - 03:26 AM
- SushiJaguar
- Internet Tough Guy<br>P.S. I roleplay as a medieval furry
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Moosack; I'm going by British age laws here. Sex is allowed at fifteen, and pregnancy at sixteen. Before either age, it constitutes as rape. In England, a 16-17 year old shagging anyone older, it counts as consensual. Even though they aren't ready to deal, as much as they might think they are, with the fallout that arises from unwanted pregnancies and STD's, it's still allowed.
What you have to do is look more at the psyche behind making such decisions. Most of the people I know are full aware of everything. The concequences and the drawbacks, and exactly what will happen to them in the event something goes wrong. Then they piss in the wind and go do it anyway, because while they understand and know the situation, they're too fucking stupid to be cautious and apply it to real life.
Which is why in any kind of sex ed or drug ed lesson I'e ever had, I've been able to pick out those people who fuck up their lives. They're the people who don't keep the warnings they've been given, and complain and kick up a fuss when the worst happens. So, like I said, it depends on the individual. For the majority of teens, they know what's going on, they know what's right and wrong, but they eschew careful judgement.
Which is why I say, it's their fault if they fuck up. You piss in the wind, don't bitch when you soak your shoes.
What you have to do is look more at the psyche behind making such decisions. Most of the people I know are full aware of everything. The concequences and the drawbacks, and exactly what will happen to them in the event something goes wrong. Then they piss in the wind and go do it anyway, because while they understand and know the situation, they're too fucking stupid to be cautious and apply it to real life.
Which is why in any kind of sex ed or drug ed lesson I'e ever had, I've been able to pick out those people who fuck up their lives. They're the people who don't keep the warnings they've been given, and complain and kick up a fuss when the worst happens. So, like I said, it depends on the individual. For the majority of teens, they know what's going on, they know what's right and wrong, but they eschew careful judgement.
Which is why I say, it's their fault if they fuck up. You piss in the wind, don't bitch when you soak your shoes.
- #49
- 19 January 2011 - 03:27 AM
- Moosack
- Member
Lycan, on 19 January 2011 - 03:22 AM, said:
Is its exceptions. We're not discussing obvious children like that. We're discussing the "What if the underage person has a body built for sex, can have children, is mature enough?"
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
EDIT:
At least, that's what I hope we're discussing here
And, of course, the "What if the adult is not mature"
Exceptions, exceptions!
EDIT:
At least, that's what I hope we're discussing here
It's super nuanced and full of exceptions... And those who do find themselves in the wrong end of the law in this instance are doomed to be judged not based on moral reasoning.
- #50
- 19 January 2011 - 03:27 AM