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Gay marrige Your thoughts and explanations

Poll: Gay marrige (121 member(s) have cast votes)

Is gay marrige right?

  1. Yes and it's irrational to think otherwise (80 votes [66.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 66.12%

  2. Meh I don't give a shit (36 votes [29.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.75%

  3. No! They will burn in hell! (5 votes [4.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.13%

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  • Susan
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View PostPants, on 20 January 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

View PostSusan, on 19 January 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

Because sexuality is not a choice, it is hardwired into your brain.


Just to play a little devils advocate (Not just directly at you susan), but if we use this logic, isn't beastiality/pedophilia hardwired?

I'm querying for an answer, not that this is my personal belief. So please don't attack me, attack the question.


No.

Pedophilia and Zoophilia, first of all, are not sexualities. They are fetishes. There is a difference.

And Iapetus, I am sorry but this isn't the Dark Ages anymore. The Church isn't tyrannical and the state performing and recognizing marriages is a step towards a world that doesn't need religion, which is detrimental to society.

To be honest, everything is the government's business and nothing the government does is the Church's business. There's a reason there's a separation of Church and state: so it can't ruin our legal system. The Church is just some pest and has no right to lay claim to marriage or deny any US Citizen of it.
  • #201

  • Lycan
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"Because sexuality is not a choice, it is hardwired into your brain."

How can you be so sure environmental factors don't affect sexuality at all?

Also, it's very easy for a heterosexual person to say that homosexuality is a fetish, because they are NOT homosexuals. They don't feel, feel or suffer from society like homosexuals.
Agree?

Now, do you like Pedophilia? Zoophilia? No, right? It's easy for you to say they are fetishes.

IMPORTANT: I am not saying Homosexuality is the same as Pedophilia or Zoophilia, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. But we have to uncover the true reasons, just saying that they are just fetishes won't be enough.
On a side note, It's sad that I have to add that IMPORTANT notice.

What I mean is that I BELIEVE there are people who naturally tend to be attracted to animals/children. THAT'S NOT GOOD. It's not to be accepted. It's an psychological illness, I could add. And it has to be treated as an illness.

Gee, why do I have the feeling this post is going to cause an uproar x_x
Also sad to have to ask, but, if I said anything OBVIOUSLY wrong, just say so with proper arguments, and I'll either rebate them or agree with you...

This post has been edited by Lycan: 20 January 2011 - 05:28 PM

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What is this magical entity called 'The Church'? Because there happen to be a number of churches in my town (which is smack dab in the bible belt) who have no problem with gays or gay marriage, and have gays in the congregation.
  • #203

  • Susan
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View PostLycan, on 20 January 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

"Because sexuality is not a choice, it is hardwired into your brain."

How can you be so sure environmental factors don't affect sexuality at all?

I was not aware the word "hardwired" allowed for any elbow room.

View PostLycan, on 20 January 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

Also, it's very easy for a heterosexual person to say that homosexuality is a fetish, because they are NOT homosexuals. They don't feel, feel or suffer from society like homosexuals.
Agree?

Sure, it'd be easy, but that person would be a fucking idiot for saying it because homosexuality is defined as a sexual orientation and not a fetish. If you think otherwise you are dumb.

View PostLycan, on 20 January 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

Now, do you like Pedophilia? Zoophilia? No, right? It's easy for you to say they are fetishes.

I say they're fetishes because they are fetishes. That is what they are classified as.

Bacon: The Church refers to the Catholic and Christian fellowship but religion is equally dumb so make of it what you will. We were discussing how the Church feels entitled to performing marriages themselves, not how they feel about gays.

This post has been edited by Susan: 20 January 2011 - 06:19 PM

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  • Lycan
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Saying "Homosexuality is defined as sexual orientation and those others are defined as fetishes" don't really do any good when discussing with people making logical reasoning against your point.

Anyways, definitions are (at least in logical terms) 'stipulative', meaning no one has proved it yet, and people can adopt different 'definitions'. So, please don't say that whoever thinks otherwise is dumb. "Knowing much is not enough to be wise"

For argument sake, I'll reply now as a person into zoophilia, OK?
"I don't like it, I know it's wrong. But whenever I'm alone with my dog I can't help but to feel aroused! I haven't done anything, but how can you say it's a fetish?? I suffer from this and I have to suffer from it alone and hold it on my own!"

Question, do you believe this statement can be made by a true person that is not lying?
  • #205

Zoophilia and pedophilia aren't absolute fetishes (in my mind), but I see those two as sexual preferences as well. The difference is that it HARMS OTHERS. Zoophils/pedos often act on their impulse even though they're aware of what they're doing. It's not like you see an issue were gay guys/gals are constantly raping other guys/gals, gay or not. If it was such a problem then I'm sure it'd be in the news. Sure, a lot of heterosexual males can cause harm by raping, but then that makes them rapists. I'm just saying that its not at the point where being heterosexual instantly means you'll harm someone sexually - but I believe zoophilia and pedophilia ALWAYS causes harm.

You also can't get consent from animals (it's impossible), and honestly I find it just as impossible to get consent from a 13 year old. They just don't know better. It doesn't matter if you know some smart young teens, the OVERALL population of teens show that they aren't mature enough to make a rational decisions concerning sex. There's freaking ELEVEN YEAR OLDS having babies and somehow that's okay? I don't think so.
  • #206

  • Susan
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You are trying to compare two totally different things and attempting to... I don't know what you're attempting to do.

People can adopt different definitions but they're wrong and so they are dumb. I don't know what you're talking about either replying as a zoophillic but if you are attempting to say that zoophilia is a sexual orientation you are wrong and no twisted definition matters as you are still wrong. A sexual orientation is a pattern of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction to a person of the same or opposite gender, neither gender, or a third gender. Animals do not fall under any of these categories.

Fucking a dog because it gets you off or fucking a kid because it gets you off does not count as a sexual orientation because there is not a romantic or emotional pattern in the mix. Stop trying to compare homosexuality and bestiality. You are wrong. The end.
  • #207

  • Lycan
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Interesting. Emotional, romantic and sexual.
That does exclude Zoophilia and Pedophilia, but doesn't exclude the fact that they can be hardwired in people's brains, which was my point from the very beginning.

And, damn, can't you see how equal you sound to the Church you so hate when saying "People can adopt different definitions but they're wrong and so they are dumb (...) and no twisted definition matters as you are still wrong (...) You are wrong. The end."??
That kind of thinking leads to exactly what you are against!

And PEOPLE stop saying we're comparing homosexuality and bestiality just because they're being put in the same sentence! A bicycle and a car both have wheels and both serve as transportation, but THAT'S IT!
Homosexuality and Heterosexuality and Bestiality and Pedophilia and whatever HAVE THINGS IN COMMON >:O

Guh, I may have overreacted. *sighs*
The one point I think they may share in common is the inclination to have those traits in one's genes.

To explain, from little I have heard and learned, I figure people are born with inclinations, they are not born as anything. It's up to their inclinations and environment that will shape them.
Unless someone comes up with a strong(er) theory, I'll stay with that.

This post has been edited by Lycan: 21 January 2011 - 01:02 AM

  • #208

Read this.
And if you're too lazy (it is pretty long) then read this excerpt.

"Since the early 1960s biologists have realized that genes are neither blueprints nor dictators; instead, as I will explain in a moment, genes are better seen as providers of opportunity. Yet because the brain has for so long been treated as separate from the body, the notion of genes as sources of options rather than purveyors of commands has yet to really enter into our understanding of the origins of human psychology.

Biologists have long understood that all genes have two functions. First, they serve as templates for building particular proteins. The insulin gene provides a template for insulin, the hemoglobin genes give templates for building hemoglobin, and so forth. Second, each gene contains what is called a regulatory sequence, a set of conditions that guide whether or not that gene’s template gets converted into protein. Although every cell contains a complete copy of the genome, most of the genes in any given cell are silent. Your lung cells, for example, contain the recipe for insulin but they don’t produce any, because in those cells the insulin gene is switched off (or “repressed”); each protein is produced only in the cells in which the relevant gene is switched on. So individual genes are like lines in a computer program. Each gene has an IF and a THEN, a precondition (IF) and an action (THEN). And here is one of the most important places where the environment can enter: the IFs of genes are responsive to the environment of the cells in which they are contained. Rather than being static entities that decide the fate of each cell in advance, genes—because of the regulatory sequence—are dynamic and can guide a cell in different ways at different times, depending on the balance of molecules in their environment.

This basic logic—which was worked out in the early 1960s by two French biologists, François Jacob and Jacques Monod, in a series of painstaking studies of the diet of a simple bacterium—applies as much to humans as to bacteria, and as much for the brain as for any other part of the body. Monod and Jacob aimed to understand how E. coli bacteria could switch almost instantaneously from a diet of glucose (its favorite) to a diet of lactose (an emergency backup food). What they found was that this abrupt change in diet was accomplished by a process that switched genes on and off. To metabolize lactose, the bacterium needed to build a certain set of protein-based enzymes that for simplicity I’ll refer to collectively as lactase, the product of a cluster of lactase genes. Every E. coli had those lactase genes lying in wait, but they were only expressed—switched on—when a bit of lactose could bind (attach to) a certain spot of DNA that lay near them, and this in turn could happen only if there was no glucose around to get in the way. In essence, the simple bacterium had an IF-THEN—if lactose and not glucose, then build lactase—that is very much of a piece with the billions of IF-THENs that run the world’s computer software.

The essential point is that genes are IFs rather than MUSTs. So even a single environmental cue can radically reshape the course of development. In the African butterfly Bicyclus anynana, for example, high temperature during development (associated with the rainy season in its native tropical climate) leads the butterfly to become brightly colored; low temperature (associated with a dry fall) leads the butterfly to become a dull brown. The growing butterfly doesn’t learn (in the course of its development) how to blend in better—it will do the same thing in a lab where the temperature varies and the foliage is constant; instead it is genetically programmed to develop in two different ways in two different environments.

The lesson of the last five years of research in developmental neuroscience is that IF-THENs are as crucial and omnipresent in brain development as they are elsewhere. To take one recently worked out example: rats, mice, and other rodents devote a particular region of the cerebral cortex known as barrel fields to the problem of analyzing the stimulation of their whiskers. The exact placement of those barrel fields appears to be driven by a gene or set of genes whose IF region is responsive to the quantity of a particular molecule, Fibroblast Growth Factor 8 (FGF8). By altering the distribution of that molecule, researchers were able to alter barrel development: increasing the concentration of FGF8 led to mice with barrel fields that were unusually far forward, while decreasing the concentration led to mice with barrel fields that were unusually far back. In essence, the quantity of FGF8 serves as a beacon, guiding growing cells to their fate by driving the regulatory IFs of the many genes that are presumably involved in barrel-field formation.

Other IF-THENs contribute to the function of the brain throughout life, e.g., supervising the control of neurotransmitters and participating (as I will explain below) in the process of laying down memory traces. Because each gene has an IF, every aspect of the brain’s development is in principle linked to some aspect of the environment; chemicals such as alcohol that are ingested during pregnancy have such enormous effects because they fool the IFs that regulate genes that guide cells into dividing too much or too little, into moving too far or not far enough, and so forth. The brain is the product of the actions of its component cells, and those actions are the products of the genes they contain within, each cell guided by 30,000 IFs paired with 30,000 THENs—as many possibilities as there are genes. (More, really, because many genes have multiple IFs, and genes can and often do work in combination.)"

This post has been edited by CaptainBaconMan: 21 January 2011 - 01:29 AM

  • #209

  • Lycan
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Well, what I said in my last paragraph. But better :unsure:
  • #210

This has to be here :D
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What lesson did you learn? 8-D

This post has been edited by Mikanada: 21 January 2011 - 05:47 AM

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View PostIapetus, on 20 January 2011 - 02:21 AM, said:

......you realize the guys in those videos are "cannibal trolls", right? :question:


Knowyourmeme even used them as examples in their episode about trolls.


actully only Josh said he was acting not christan any ways I don't buy that horse shit for a second I think he just started to see how stupid he was sounding and made that up
  • #212

I have no problem with gay marriage. You can get married if you want, even if you're the same sex. Tell the person who says "No." to go figure things out before speaking. Also, religion isn't the rules of the world.
  • #213

  • Lycan
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Says Mr. Saint Christopher =P

The church's rules should apply to that church's marriages. As long as that church doesn't recognize gay couples, its kind of unwise to want to marry in that church.
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View PostMikanada, on 21 January 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:

What lesson did you learn? 8-D


That Mike is a walking After School Special? :.D
  • #215

I'm suprised and partially relieved that necrophilia has managed to stay out of this disscusion
  • #216

The colder it is, the hotter it gets
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View PostGodless, on 22 January 2011 - 02:51 AM, said:

I'm suprised and partially relieved that necrophilia has managed to stay out of this disscusion

Well, now that you mention...
  • #218

  • Lycan
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Try getting a consent from a dead person.
Wait, if that person consents before dying... >_<"
  • #219

Why godless
  • #220

  • SushiJaguar
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Dead bodies can't push you away, and hold you the tightest.
  • #221

  • Ace
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Is this still here.
Don't you have other things to do.
That was a statement not a question.

Discuss.
  • #222

I know I chose "No, they'll burn in Hell," but I'd like to say that that's not what I'm trying to say. I believe it to be incorrect in general, but I have a legitimate problem with gay marriage. My mom is a pastor, and as a church leader, she cannot, by church standards, perform a gay marriage. This applies to most churches, though not all. However, if a bill is passed allowing gay marriage, she or her fellow pastors may be asked to perform the marriages. As religious leaders, they will have to refuse (If they're doing their job right) to marry them. In this case, they can be arrested or fined for discrimination. I don't want to see that happen to my mom, so I'm holding my position.
  • #223

When in the bible did they ever specifically deny the right to mary the same sex, the world is reforming to be more tolerant, religions better do the same.

It saddens me that this is still an argument that divides people when it should be human nature to accept all people
  • #224

If it ever does become legal, I just hope those who want to marry don't force the duty upon those who can and will not.
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  • Chris
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View PostSusan, on 20 January 2011 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostPants, on 20 January 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

View PostSusan, on 19 January 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

Because sexuality is not a choice, it is hardwired into your brain.


Just to play a little devils advocate (Not just directly at you susan), but if we use this logic, isn't beastiality/pedophilia hardwired?

I'm querying for an answer, not that this is my personal belief. So please don't attack me, attack the question.


No.

Pedophilia and Zoophilia, first of all, are not sexualities. They are fetishes. There is a difference.

And Iapetus, I am sorry but this isn't the Dark Ages anymore. The Church isn't tyrannical and the state performing and recognizing marriages is a step towards a world that doesn't need religion, which is detrimental to society.

To be honest, everything is the government's business and nothing the government does is the Church's business. There's a reason there's a separation of Church and state: so it can't ruin our legal system. The Church is just some pest and has no right to lay claim to marriage or deny any US Citizen of it.

I think gay marrige is right, but on fetishes: bieng a furry is a fetish, do you think furries want to be furries? it sucks :/

also, go go mega bump! damn comedy!

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This post has been edited by Chris: 05 May 2011 - 03:56 AM

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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 03:51 AM, said:

If it ever does become legal, I just hope those who want to marry don't force the duty upon those who can and will not.

Where does the bible say you cannot Mary two people of the same sex
  • #228

Religions that don't allow homosexuality are dumb. If god made everyone (including homosexuals), then why would he / she / it have a problem with them existing and wanting to marry?

I don't get how an all loving, all powerful god (i.e. the christian version) would set up this state of affairs.
  • #229

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Where does the bible say you cannot Mary two people of the same sex

The bible does not say that marriage is outlawed, just sexual relations. Is that what you wanted to hear? It's currently not legal in California, though. The two are sort of tied together I suppose. Regarding church leadership, marriage isn't not allowed as to prevent the encouagement of gay sex.

This post has been edited by Comedy: 05 May 2011 - 04:06 AM

  • #230

@Starwatcher
That's completely true, excluding people is not showing that you love and are kind to people, which goes to the roots of god himself, even if the people who created the religion didn't believe in it themselves, the people at least wanted to send the message that kindness will give you it's own reward.

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@Comedy
The point of marriage is to enhance a relationship status, not to have sex. Even if they are attracted to eachother. Marriage should not solely be about sex, if two people love eachother why not let them mary. In that way you are not urging them to have sexual relations, they already mist likely have, as anyaverage couple. So basically, that is not a signifagant or valid point.

This post has been edited by WTF: 05 May 2011 - 04:08 AM

  • #231

Marriage or not, I still have a problem with the idea that god forbids gay sexual relations. I think that you're stuck at the same logic as above.

Edit: Also, I worried that this could be attacked from the "god made free beings" angle, but then I thought of this. Current data shows that homosexuality is NOT a choice, so if god made people homosexual and doesn't like it, it's entirely god's fault.

This post has been edited by Starwatcher: 05 May 2011 - 04:18 AM

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I don't get how an all loving, all powerful god (i.e. the christian version) would set up this state of affairs.

According to the bible, God created man, and woman as his companion. However, God gave humanity free will, so that we could choose to obey his decrees by our own free will. God states that gay relationships violate what he created, but that does not mean that God doese not love homosexuals. He clearly said that he loves all of humanity to the end, but whether we or not choose to reciprocate is our decision. A forced love is no love at all. If God did not allow people to deviate from his ideals, it would not be the relationship he desires. God desires that humanity follows his commands, and reciprocates his love. If at any point someone who does not choose to follow him wants to return, that person will be welcomed with open arms.

@WTF, I see your point, but it is for the sake of the rest of the church, as not to show that the church condones gay sexuality.
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@Starwatcher
My belief is that was created by the uninformed people who wrote the bible
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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

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I don't get how an all loving, all powerful god (i.e. the christian version) would set up this state of affairs.

According to the bible, God created man, and woman as his companion. However, God gave humanity free will, so that we could choose to obey his decrees by our own free will. God states that gay relationships violate what he created, but that does not mean that God doese not love homosexuals. He clearly said that he loves all of humanity to the end, but whether we or not choose to reciprocate is our decision. A forced love is no love at all. If God did not allow people to deviate from his ideals, it would not be the relationship he desires. God desires that humanity follows his commands, and reciprocates his love. If at any point someone who does not choose to follow him wants to return, that person will be welcomed with open arms.

@WTF, I see your point, but it is for the sake of the rest of the church, as not to show that the church condones gay sexuality.


We posted at the same time, please see my above post for a response of sorts. Homosexuality isn't a choice, so he can't "command" us to not be that way.

I think it's the same as God commanding me to not have brown eyes. It's out of my control.
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i have a fetish for men
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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 04:16 AM, said:

According to the bible, God created man, and woman as his companion. However, God gave humanity free will, so that we could choose to obey his decrees by our own free will. God states that gay relationships violate what he created, but that does not mean that God doese not love homosexuals. He clearly said that he loves all of humanity to the end, but whether we or not choose to reciprocate is our decision. A forced love is no love at all. If God did not allow people to deviate from his ideals, it would not be the relationship he desires. God desires that humanity follows his commands, and reciprocates his love. If at any point someone who does not choose to follow him wants to return, that person will be welcomed with open arms.

@WTF, I see your point, but it is for the sake of the rest of the church, as not to show that the church condones gay sexuality.

What is you church full of dicks, tell the to stop being racist, unwelcoming dipshits

And with the bolded word you just disproved your argument
  • #237

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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 03:35 AM, said:

I know I chose "No, they'll burn in Hell," but I'd like to say that that's not what I'm trying to say. I believe it to be incorrect in general, but I have a legitimate problem with gay marriage. My mom is a pastor, and as a church leader, she cannot, by church standards, perform a gay marriage. This applies to most churches, though not all. However, if a bill is passed allowing gay marriage, she or her fellow pastors may be asked to perform the marriages. As religious leaders, they will have to refuse (If they're doing their job right) to marry them. In this case, they can be arrested or fined for discrimination. I don't want to see that happen to my mom, so I'm holding my position.

I agree that if churches were fined for refusing to perform religious marriages that are against their tenets, that would be stupid. However, sometimes you have to choose the less stupid of two legal situations, and that one is definitely less stupid than not allowing gays to have legal marriages; any sort of legal differentiation simply encourages discrimination. If people get fined for bad reasons, just think of it like all the other bad laws and hope it gets changed.
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View PostStarwatcher, on 05 May 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:


We posted at the same time, please see my above post for a response of sorts. Homosexuality isn't a choice, so he can't "command" us to not be that way.

I think it's the same as God commanding me to not have brown eyes. It's out of my control.


I see your point, but do you really believe that the people who "come out of the closet" have really been homosexuals their entire lives, and merely haven't noticed? Has anyone really been born homosexual? Or is it that people who have stereotypical homosexual traits are encouraged to believe that that's their true self? Thank you for your intelligent arguements, by the way.
  • #239

The people who wrote the bible are not god, they could have added that idea themselves. It's not god that sticks to his beliefs too much, it's you who is not willing to change his views to the logical views
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View PostBorg Lord, on 05 May 2011 - 04:22 AM, said:

I agree that if churches were fined for refusing to perform religious marriages that are against their tenets, that would be stupid. However, sometimes you have to choose the less stupid of two legal situations, and that one is definitely less stupid than not allowing gays to have legal marriages; any sort of legal differentiation simply encourages discrimination. If people get fined for bad reasons, just think of it like all the other bad laws and hope it gets changed.


I'm just hoping that homosexuals don't choose exploit the discrimination card in an effort against the church. I don't believe that that would be a common occurance, I just hope it doesn't happen. There's always judges to perform marriages.
  • #241

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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

View PostStarwatcher, on 05 May 2011 - 04:19 AM, said:


We posted at the same time, please see my above post for a response of sorts. Homosexuality isn't a choice, so he can't "command" us to not be that way.

I think it's the same as God commanding me to not have brown eyes. It's out of my control.


I see your point, but do you really believe that the people who "come out of the closet" have really been homosexuals their entire lives, and merely haven't noticed? Has anyone really been born homosexual? Or is it that people who have stereotypical homosexual traits are encouraged to believe that that's their true self? Thank you for your intelligent arguements, by the way.

People who come out of the closet have absolutely been homosexual all their lives. Why do you think they're hiding in a closet? They start out assuming they're straight, because society tells them that's normal; sooner or later enough evidence mounts up that they can no longer lie to themselves, and they start deliberately hiding it because society tells them it's wrong; and then hopefully one day they get up the courage to stop hiding it, at least around the more accepting people they know. Homosexuality is not even remotely a choice.

And I think current evidence suggests that there is a bit of environmental factors involved at a young age (apparently boys with older brothers are slightly more likely to be homosexual) but mostly, yes, they are born that way, and certainly are set into it long before sexual maturity.

This post has been edited by Borg Lord: 05 May 2011 - 04:30 AM

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@Comedy
Yes they are, because the reason why people don't you out of the closet is because they don't want to accept that they are homosexual and feel they will be ridiculed by people like you. The reason the usually come out so late is also caused that they usually have to expirience the sex first.
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View PostWTF, on 05 May 2011 - 04:21 AM, said:


What is you church full of dicks, tell the to stop being racist, unwelcoming dipshits

And with the bolded word you just disproved your argument


I fail to see my condradiction.
  • #244

And you don't understand my point, cause your obviously not changing you stance on this
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View PostWTF, on 05 May 2011 - 04:29 AM, said:

And you don't understand my point, cause your obviously not changing you stance on this


No, I'm asking you to elaborate. Please explain your thoughts on this.
  • #246

@Comedy
Why should people be forced to love the opposite sex if they love the same sex
  • #247

@WTF
I don't believe anyone's forcing anyone else to "love" the opposite gender. Just encouraging them not to "love" the same. All things considered, that was a good point though.

This post has been edited by Comedy: 05 May 2011 - 04:33 AM

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View PostComedy, on 05 May 2011 - 04:30 AM, said:

View PostWTF, on 05 May 2011 - 04:29 AM, said:

And you don't understand my point, cause your obviously not changing you stance on this


No, I'm asking you to elaborate. Please explain your thoughts on this.

If you asking ne to elaborate then you don't understand me

I think there's enough information in this thread to have already changed you opinion, I find it saddening that you are still asking uneducated questions without backreading
  • #249

@WTF
I was referring to the bolded word comment, and I've already replied to that.
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