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Shame Senator Santorum dropped out. He would have taken care of the rebel sympathizers like you.

This post has been edited by Meowth: 22 April 2012 - 11:52 PM

Santorum has the luxury of denying abortions to others because his babies abort themselves.

Meowth, on 22 April 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

You sound like an imperial officer from star wars.

Meowth, on 19 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

ITALICS - The 'beauty' of legal marriage is not going to dissipate because of gay marriage. The beauty is gone due to the fact that 50% of marriages end in divorce. As it turns out, i'm pretty sure at least 90% of those marriages are 'legal' seeing as gay marriage is, you know, ILLEGAL (In most states!).
BOLD - I have never ever heard a gay person tell a straight person, or even try to hint at "Hey, you should like men. Cause you know, fuck jesus"
UNDERLINED - Since we are talking about the legalization of gay marriage, and there's this thing called separation of church and state, do not bring up 'God' in this debate.

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BOLD - This, honestly, is just a blind and ignorant paragraph. Homosexuality is going to tear apart our families? How? By, apparently, showing "anal sex" on "the Disney Channel"? Last I checked there is no girl-on-guy, and no vaginal sex on the disney channel, so why would it all of a sudden change and allow gay sex? There is no logic in that. And real quick, why just say anal sex? Girls can be gay too you know, so why not bring up girl-on-girl, and two girls having sex? That should be just as sinful from what you're saying, right? Finally, I'm sorry to inform you, but homosexuals don't worship Satan. Sure, there may be one or two, but there's another one or two straight worshipers to match those homosexual ones. Making it a stereotype that all gays worship Satan and sacrifice animals is just, again, ignorant...

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BOLD - Since I already commented on the whole marriage thing, I'll only focus on this. Have you ever been to a gay marriage? And if you have, were they worshiping Satan as they said their vows? The answer to both of those questions is no. And honestly, the fact that you're saying all of this makes marriage seem disgusting to me.

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BOLD - This made me chuckle. Thank you for the humor
ITALICS - How about instead of having a bias for your 'science', you try and get information for an unbiased source. Speaking of sources, do you happen to have a source for your claim? I would like to see the numbers.
UNDERLINED - You know, I tell myself the same thing when I think of ignorant people.... That is not a jab at you, I promise, just a statement in general

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BOLD - So now anyone who worships Pagan Gods is gay? Um, not only is that a poor stereotype, but since we're following stereotypes, I guess all Jews love money and have big noses, and all black people can't go a day without their fried chicken and watermelon, huh?
ITALICS - Oh so you're one of those people. Homosexuality is just a trend, it's not like it's been around since, oh I don't know, forever?
UNDERLINED - I am not touching that with a 20 foot long pole.

As stated earlier, and is the easiest counter to everything you just said, if you take religion out of everything you just said, what is there left? Crumbling society? I don't think so. I'm sure that's what a lot of people said about slavery, society hasn't seemed to crumble yet, and it surely won't just because african americans are finally people in the eyes of the government.

And one final note, because I am curious, what is your view on lesbians?

Also, I started realizing a little more then halfway through everything that this may just be a troll post, or someone elses writing, but I didn't want to make everything I wrote out for naught, so I'm still posting it.

This post has been edited by SmashFiles: 23 April 2012 - 12:30 AM

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Don't worry, it's not a troll post. Your input is really interesting. Let's see what Meowth can say about it.

This post has been edited by Itu: 23 April 2012 - 01:02 AM

-clears throat-

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Italics: Yes, and the Liberally minded are trying to change things by making it legal. However, even illegal, I feel these "domestic partnerhips" are, themselves, a desecration of the legal [straight] marriage. They are nothing but liberal-abortions which attempt to imitate marriage, but in the end do nothing but mock it.

Bold: The devil is a shrewd customer, no doubt. He has known since before the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Chris, that simply saying "worship me" will not work. He relies on corrupting society through individualism and decadence. He wishes only to turn you against God, and he does so by making you question the very base of this universe: objectivity, morality, Nihilism. He makes you question your own salvation.

Underlinded: America was founded on Christian values. Have you ever wondered why "under God" is in the pledge? It is not a way for us to mock you, but rather to guide you. You must realize that for a country to successfully function, we must have some sense of collectivism. While I am far opposed to the Socialist agenda (Liberals) I do, however, think we must consciously act as one unit, exercising freedom in a way that is helpful to everybody. Freedom does not mean I can impose slavery upon others. We must also realize, though, that as long as freedom exists, there must be a counterbalance: slavery. But I will elaborate upon that later in my response. For now, I should say that religion is interwoven with politics for a reason. If you remove it, you will find that individualism will lead us to a path of Nihilism and chaos. People are not intelligent enough to live without Religion (they will also burn in hell!).

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Bold: How will it tear apart our families? Through Satanism. Satanism is individuality. Individuality is truly what will tear apart our society. Without God to unite us all under the Bible, Satan will "free us" under a banner of hate. How will this happen? Just look at how society has changed. It has steadily grown more liberally minded. More curse words on television, more sex, more explicit content. Some of this may not seem bad on the surface (this is why the quick-to-judge individuals think homosexuality is okay) but in reality it is the recipe for disaster. Individuality and Socialism is not an event, but rather it is a progression. We are progressing more and more towards a Nihilistic society, as was foretold by the philosopher, Neitzsche. Even he, a man who claimed to have destroyed God, worried this could be an issue. Don't you see it? Homosexuality is only the beginning, it is the "gay-way."

Now, let us discuss how not all Homosexuals worship Satan. The will of Satan is like quick-sand, the deeper you get, the harder it is to be pulled free. While some Homosexuals openly worship him, Gaahl, for instance:

Not all do. The problem is that once the seed of filth is planted, it will grow with nourishment, and homosexuality is the perfect fertilizer. Do you see now? It is only the beginning of the true problem.

Also, yes, Lesbians are bad too.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Here is the thing: there are self-titled "Homosexual Christians" out there. They think they can be true to God while sleeping with Satan. It doesn't work that way. God has said that homosexuality is wrong, simple as that. "Homosexual Christians" are walking oxymoron's. These people still, however, believe they can be holy. THEY ARE SUPPORTING THE DEVIL AND DO NOT EVEN REALIZE IT. The Devil works in weird ways, SmashFiles, and I pray that he hasn't gotten too deep a hold on you.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Bold: Even us right-wingers like a bit of humor here and there.

Italics: Look around you. Society is in a constant state of decay.

Underline: It should have been a jab at me.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Bold: They don't HAVE to be gay, but they may as well be. They promote the will of the devil, and not being gay would just make it more difficult for them to spit in the face of God. And, I don't wish to discuss kikes and niggers here.

Italics: Satan is just a trend, it's not like it's been around since, oh I don't know, forever?

Underline: Heil.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Yes. To remove Religion is to give into the Absurd. Two philosophers discussed this quiet a bit in their writings: Søren Kierkegaard and Albert Camus. They claimed there were only three ways to combat Absurdism:

• Suicide
  
• Religion (Philosophical Suicide)
  
• Acceptance

Suicide is pretty self-explanatory; however, it is less of combating the Absurd, and more giving in to it.

"In philosophy, "The Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any."

In other words, we seek value and meaning where it does not exist. And, even we do kill ourselves, we are still subject to the meaninglessness of the universe.

Religion, the most viable option, is to give yourself to a higher power. You must accept His existence and follow it -- yes, blindly. The second you question it, it is no longer faith, but rather absurdity. Ironically Orwellian.

Acceptance, considered the only potential option by Camus, is when you come to terms with the superfluousness of life. You accept that there is no purpose to anything, and the result is absolute freedom. As Kierkegaard put it, this is "demoniac madness." If we were to look at what Nietzsche said in his writings, we can quickly conclude his "superman" philosophy easily coincides with this theory. The fundamental problem is that you must give up morality and feeling; and Schopenhauer even believed logic itself. You have to give up anything which could create any sort of ideological construct of freedom -- which could in turn be violated. As long as freedom does not exist, it cannot be violated, and thus, will be absolute. It will lie in a state of both existence and non-existence, so to speak. This may seem incomprehensible, but we think in words, and language is man-made.

As you can see, we need God. And yes, we need to follow him blindly, even if we could be considered wrong from a certain perspective.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Slavery has moved, not left. Do you understand what it takes to keep a decadent, Liberal society like ours running? Don't you understand that Republicans do not want to enslave the world, but rather they seek to do the opposite by doing the conjugate? Capitalism has a cost, and somebody has to pay it. Maybe it seems harsh, but the weak-minded, disabled, retarded, and Jewish are not going to pay this themselves. They are going to debt society, while strong, able-bodied people pick up the slack.

SmashFiles, on 23 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

They suck dick.

This post has been edited by Meowth: 23 April 2012 - 02:03 AM

Well first and foremost, I really am surprised at your response. As extremist as it all is, it's very well put together, and you definitely know what you're talking about, and I can understand why you believe what you do. Even, I still strongly disagree with most everything you've said.

Second, as it is late, and I am tired, I do not have the time or patience to structure everything well, so I'll just reply to everything in order, if that is alright?

Italics - Seeing as a domestic partnership can be used to describe something as simple as two people/homosexuals living together to pay for rent, this should in no way affect your judgement, and should not make you believe that it is mocking straight marriage.

Bold - Again, I really don't want to argue religion, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't like shoving my beliefs on religion, as I hope others wont do that to me. In response to what you said, it's an interesting thought, however if everyone were just open to the thought of homosexuality, and gay marriage then there would be no individuality. Have you ever thought that maybe this 'Satan' has actually grabbed a hold of you by trying to separate yourself from a whole group of people? He's could be making you, a christian, non accepting of gays, when in reality, all God wants is for his people to believe in him and Jesus Christ, and if a homosexual says he believes in God, why not accept this person? (this is also in response to what you say later on in the post) You should be happy that a homosexual believes in your religion, even after all the hate they get from other christians. It shows how much they do believe in God, and you should be there to help them through it.

Underlined - America was founded on a lot of values man. One of those being, the separation of church and state, because our founding fathers knew that there had to be some line between basing all of our decisions off of religion, and others off of rationalism, and what's best for our country. As for your counterbalance theory, have you ever thought that maybe the counterbalance is, from what you say, fall of society? And that in reality, in order to balance that we all just need to work together? Everyone in this country, from African Americans, to Asians, to gays, to the transgender. That's going off on a tangent though. As for your bringing up of individualism again, my above statement still holds.

Bold - First half: Individuality again, moving on. Second half: More explicit stuff on TV, is that bad? So parents won't let their kids watch some shows, but what does that affect anyone? If a parent lets a kid watch an R rated movie, then it's not the movie's fault for existing, it's the parent's for letting their child go to see that movie. As for your whole Satan spiel again, imagine for a second. What if Satan did not exist? What would then be the problem with homosexuals? Would there still be a problem with homosexuality if Satan never existed? (Saying there would not be homosexuals is not a valid answer. Assume there are still homosexuals in this world where Satan does not exist) As for your one homosexual who worships Satan, I'm sure there's another 5 straight men who worship Satan to match him. And actually as time goes on, this "Satanism" that is plaguing homosexuals will most likely die out, as they're finding that the more they agree and play along with what Christians say, the more rights they're giving them. That's how it is in my area anyway.
I am glad you're consistent with your hatred, and unlike those who are like "Lesbians are hawt"

Bold: As I said earlier...

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God has also said that if you believe in his son, you have a welcome spot in you for heaven. Even if Satan does have a grasp over a homosexual who is "blind", he will still go to heaven, as says the bible.

Bold: Glad to hear it
Italics: That did not very much answer my questions.
Underlined:

Bold: Don't put the two together, we're here to discuss homosexuality, nothing else.

Italics: Never said Satan is a trend, and I believe you missed my point completely on this one

Underlined:

Quite frankly, I enjoyed reading a lot of what you had to say in the next part, seeing as how informed you are with all of it. But as with philosophy, you know that there are no answers, hence why it exists, to find answers that most fit your beliefs and lifestyle, even if in the end you know it may not even be true in the first place. As with your one example, there's probably another philosopher who disagrees with him. (I'd look one up, but as I said earlier, I'm tired and maybe I'll look one up later). In the end though, I really do not see how anything you just said equals that we need to believe and follow God? Why follow blindly? Why can't God be more understanding, and show himself? Why can't he understand and let everyone into heaven, even those who may be homosexual? Why can't he love everyone and everything? Why can't God be a nicer person?

As for the final thing you said, that is very much politics, and again, I am not getting into that, as this is a discussion on homosexuality.

Now ask yourself, as a Christian, and having Christian values, don't you want people happy? I do. That's the #1 reason I support gay marriage. They have the right to be happy and to marry (and the legal benefits!) just as much as anyone else does. You can continue to talk about it to as many people as you want, and try and persuade as many people as you want to look down on it, as that is your opinion, but why not let them be HAPPY?? Society is not going to crumble because of homosexuality. We should focus on the bigger issues of the world; we are not in debt due to homosexuality being around. Just please answer me this.

Why can't you let homosexuals be happy?

The joke is that Meowth isn't serious at all.

Carcharocles, on 22 April 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

I find it necessary to point out here that religion is not the only thing that causes or has caused discrimination against homosexuals, such at the USSR and the Nazis (Godwin's law I know, but it is relevant to the discussion). both groups were atheistic by design, and yet the Nazis would send a homosexual to the gas chambers just as quickly as a jew.

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This post has been edited by Chris: 24 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

Chris, on 24 April 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

I don't mean to be "that guy," but you mean Godwin's law. Also, anybody who thinks Godwin's law is a defense, is literally retarded, most likely to the point of not being able to take care of themselves. Sadly for us, you don't need to be able to take care of yourself to argue.

(Of course, this isn't aimed at you, just people who think Godwin's law is anything but a nifty little funfact: see Murphy's law).

fixed it, thanks. also I agree, I just didn't want someone to come in here and spout it retardly.

I am a supporter of Takei Marriage

but really, the gays deserve to be just as miserable as the rest of us in holy matrimony.

This post has been edited by ChewySmokey: 24 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

ChewySmokey, on 24 April 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I remember some comedian saying that. Bill Bailey? Jimmy Carr? I mean, I guess it's sort of an obvious satirical comment, so it could've come from just about anywhere.
It's funny 'cause it's true.

Polyamory is the way to go, especially if you have HIV.

On that topic, I haven't decided how I feel about the concept of legalized polygamy. I mean, I understand that complex love relationships can and do exist, even if they're relatively rare due to the difficulty of keeping everyone in the relationship happy. But then I start thinking about cults where people get brainwashed by charismatic individuals, and then I'm not so sure I want to go there.

That's probably a different topic altogether, though.

Easy solution. On the marriage license application, "Is your husband/wife a physical representative of or affiliated closely with God, Satan, Buddha or other paranormal beings?"

Now there's a common-sense answer.

Dr. Klaus, on 30 April 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

yeah, I can't remember who it was either, otherwise I'd source it.

hey wacko, I agree with the thing you said there about polygamy, but you left one thing out; favoritism. No matter how happy the marriage, favoritism can still destroy everything!

Unless you're a doormat and don't mind settling for second, third or last place.

Favoritism would certainly be a factor adding to the difficulty of keeping everyone in the relationship happy. You can't be jealous, nor can you keep secrets from each other. A successful polyamorous relationship would depend greatly on open communication and making sure everyone's on the same page.