Meowth's Writing Thread
- #101
- 19 February 2011 - 08:27 PM
"Hell, he could have even gotten with Paulo, who Mike had to admit was a good looking guy, but in the end, it wasn't about that."
Never really thought of Mike to consider that he could have gone out with Paulo, I still don't actually. Also even if Mike asked, I doubt Paulo would even consider the notion, so he had about no chance of ever getting with Paulo.
"He couldn't help but flex his muscles, but as usual, he was disappointed in what he saw."
When did Mike get disappointed in his looks and muscles. Last time I checked he was one of the most attractive and athletic guys around according to most people.
But yeah again good story, this is the only criticism I can really offer at the moment.
- #102
- 19 February 2011 - 08:31 PM
Junior Boomer, on 19 February 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:
"Hell, he could have even gotten with Paulo, who Mike had to admit was a good looking guy, but in the end, it wasn't about that."
Never really thought of Mike to consider that he could have gone out with Paulo, I still don't actually. Also even if Mike asked, I doubt Paulo would even consider the notion, so he had about no chance of ever getting with Paulo.
"He couldn't help but flex his muscles, but as usual, he was disappointed in what he saw."
When did Mike get disappointed in his looks and muscles. Last time I checked he was one of the most attractive and athletic guys around according to most people.
But yeah again good story, this is the only criticism I can really offer at the moment.
Well it is his fic I guess he controls what they do and say :3
- #103
- 19 February 2011 - 09:35 PM
This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 19 February 2011 - 09:46 PM
- #104
- 19 February 2011 - 09:46 PM
@Junior Boomer
The parts you mentioned actually particularly stood out to me as well, and admittedly, they were quite odd, but I left them in for an important reason.
They establish Mike's humanity as well as his sanity.
"Hell, he could have even gotten with Paulo, who Mike had to admit was a good looking guy, but in the end, it wasn't about that."
Although it is directly stated 'he could have even gotten with Paulo', that isn't exactly what it means. This sentence was not meant to make Mike look homosexual, nor was it meant to make it look as though they could have gotten together. It is simply Mike making a point to himself. He didn't choose partners completely based on looks. In his mind, Mike was admitting that Paulo was a good looking guy, yet he had made no particular advances towards him. It's also important to note that just because Mike is thinking this, doesn't mean he would say it, nor would he admit it. This statement also helps tie Mike's mind in with many others. It simply shows that he is subject to random, uncomfortable thoughts we all are.
It's like me admitting Robert Plant is an attractive man to my friends, although I'm straight. While I personally would do it, many people wouldn't be willing to do so out of fear of being judged. But I can guarantee you they are still thinking it.
"He couldn't help but flex his muscles, but as usual, he was disappointed in what he saw."
This statement represents two things. One, it represents common self-esteem issues that all people face. Even in the shadow of disease, Mike is still a person and is still vulnerable like all people. Two, I personally disagree with him being one of the most athletic guys around. Really, all he has been said to do is run. He can run fast, and he can run long. That hardly means he is built, or even toned for that matter.
Oh, and as for him being attractive, we need to consider that Mike has, for the most part, been considered 'attractive' most of his life. So therefore it makes even more sense that he would be paranoid about a lack of visible muscle mass because he has a subconscious desire to stay among those good looking individuals. Not to mention everyone wants to take personal accomplishment out of their positive qualities. Mike being good looking is little a result of his hard work. So really, all Mike can do is say he was lucky to be born like that. This hardly fulfills the human need for accomplishment.
I must thank you though for taking the time to point those out. Next time I will probably put a little more effort into explaining them better in the text without relying on vague implications to convey my message quite as much.
@RedJack
While it is true, I do control what they do and say, I'm doing my best to keep things within reason. I mean hell, I could make them anthropomorphic robots armed with nuclear weapons, but that wouldn't make much of a read (or would it...). It's also important people tell me the parts they don't feel right about so I can fix them and get better. Junior Boomer mentioning that one part doesn't necessarily mean it should be removed, but maybe next time I should word it slightly differently so my reader understands it in it's entirety. Since as I said before, it was a touch vague. Not mention, if it wasn't for people telling what I've done wrong in the past, you wouldn't be reading this story now because I would be at much lower level of writing ability.
- #105
- 19 February 2011 - 10:09 PM
Just wondering, how long have you been writing for?
- #106
- 19 February 2011 - 10:18 PM
Ugly pitbull bitch.
(I'm joking Taeshi hurr hurr)
- #107
- 20 February 2011 - 12:03 AM
- #108
- 20 February 2011 - 12:12 AM
- #109
- 20 February 2011 - 12:27 AM
But, as for "He couldn't help but flex his muscles, but as usual, he was disappointed in what he saw."
I agree that it caught my attention, but not because of what Mr. Junior said, and specially not because of Mr. Meowth explained. The way it was written, the 'as usual' sounds like Mike makes a habit of admiring himself on the mirror. Though some level of self esteem is expected, the expression "couldn't help but flex his muscles" is too deep for a person that just admitted caring more for people's acts rather than their looks.
Nonetheless, good chapter.
I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE'S REACTIONS ABOUT MIKE'S DISEASE!
And, it's about time Mike called Sandy to tell her. >_<
Maybe something like "I tell Lucy, I sleep with (beside) Lucy, but I haven't told Sandy yet?"
This post has been edited by Lycan: 20 February 2011 - 12:32 AM
- #110
- 20 February 2011 - 12:31 AM
Now don't give me any ideas.
@Elliot
I believe I've been writing on and off for about five years.
@Junior Boomer
Junior Boomer, on 20 February 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:
I had absolutely no idea that happened. I must have overlooked it in the comic.
I suppose whether or not Mike has any sort of muscle mass entirely depends on what he does in his free time. Personally, I don't see him as a very active person. Also, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to think he could be desirable and be somewhat scrawny. Mike isn't nearly as popular as he used to be (since his reputation was destroyed), but back when he was popular most people were scrawny, even if they worked out or were very active. I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.
As for the self-esteem issues, it's important to take into consideration that what other people think of you is rather irrelevant to whether or not you have those issues. It's what you think of you. Granted, knowing what other people think of you does warp your image of yourself, but when all is said and done, you could have the whole world hate you, and as long as you love yourself, you wouldn't technically have self-esteem issues. I personally feel like Mike oozes insecurity, and as a result, is very self-conscious.
I will admit, Mike doesn't directly have self-esteem issues regarding his looks, but I feel his general insecurity causes a type of uncertainly and causes him develop a sort of pseudo-insecurity regarding them.
@Lycan
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I think you would be surprised how many people out there 'admit' to caring more for acts, go home, sit down and jack off to a celebrity, eat Cheetos, and whine on the phone about how their situation is so horrible and their emotional pain is so crippling they can't work out. Then they make excuses why personal fitness is pointless, why school is pointless, why life sucks, then they kill themselves. My point is, people are not honest with themselves. I'm doing my best to keep this story as close to reality as possible, not necessarily the comic, so you're going to see actions and thoughts that you may not have expected, particularly because you wouldn't see them in the comic.
What would fuel Mike to say he cares more about acts then looks? Well, why would anyone do that? For starters, this ties into those self-esteem issues. Mike is worried that he will be judged. Don't get me wrong, I think acts are more important then looks too, but looks are relevant. I mean if Sandy was a burn victim, I highly doubt Mike would have ended up with her. Yeah, maybe in that perfect romance novel written by Dr.Phil, but in real life, not unless hell froze over.
Another reason Mike would say that is because he has convinced himself it's true. He isn't being honest with himself. Why wouldn't he be honest with himself? Because the truth hurts and it would only play on his insecurities.
I admit a lot of things I say and reason are results of assumptions, but I assure you those assumptions are not without base. I'm using information I've obtained observing real people. My old best friend is actually a lot like Mike, and if I think hard enough, I can draw lines of similarity from all the characters to people I have known. While this information has all been useful, I learned something fundamental in my [so far] short life. Most humans are more alike then we think. We have been bread to think we are all individuals. Granted that's true, we do share many psychological similarities. Using these similarities I've managed to observe myself, and as a result, observe others. I figured out how I reacted to situations, and compared them to how others reacted in situations. A drew those lines of similarities and used the resulting assumptions to create my scenarios.
I could go on forever with this. If you want to know more about my feelings regarding the psyche of Mike, read what I said on the first page of the Character Discussion:Mike thread. I'm basically repeating myself.
- #111
- 20 February 2011 - 01:22 AM
Oh, well, I can't agree on that psyche, but I can enjoy your story and shut up
Well, I won't actually shut up.
- #112
- 20 February 2011 - 02:03 AM
This post has been edited by Junior Boomer: 20 February 2011 - 02:08 AM
- #113
- 20 February 2011 - 02:08 AM
- #114
- 22 February 2011 - 06:34 PM
So here it is, with no further ago.
So you know the basics, the next chapter will be on Thursday... Comments and criticisms are more than welcome. I know I have a bad habit of typing to damn much for stupid shit so I'm going to try to not do that as much. Especially when people take the time to give me their thoughts on one of my writings and I feel the need to respond. No need to waste everyone's time.
So yeah, enjoy.
- #115
- 22 February 2011 - 10:06 PM
- #116
- 22 February 2011 - 10:17 PM
- #117
- 22 February 2011 - 10:20 PM
- #118
- 23 February 2011 - 01:37 AM
I simply don't want this fanfic to end halfway, so, hang tight!
Now, I'm off to read the chapter.
...
Oh, on the way to school. Very nice as usual!
Lucy is being such a sweetheart, but this is an extreme situation, after all.
School school school!
This post has been edited by Lycan: 23 February 2011 - 01:41 AM
- #119
- 23 February 2011 - 01:40 AM
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I think we have a little retard in us...
@RedJack
Oh, you're too kind!
@Volgrand
Thank you, sir. And we will just have to wait and see.
@Lycan
Oh yeah, I got sick of this like five chapters ago, but once I sit down and force myself to write slowly and painfully, things start to flow so much easier. Lately, I've been switching up my writing music as well. You'll probably notice a difference in my writing style because of it. I went from smooth music such as jazz, Hope Sandoval, and Air, to more trippy stuff like Pink Floyd and Tool. But, all in all, that's neither here nor there.
Oh, and trust me. The actions regarding Lucy will be explained much later on. There is actually quite a bit of hidden meaning behind her entrance and relevance to the story.
- #120
- 23 February 2011 - 02:52 AM
I'll give my mediocre, biased critique when I finish reading through all of your posted works.
- #121
- 23 February 2011 - 02:56 AM
- #122
- 23 February 2011 - 02:57 AM
I could probably go on forever in a response, but I'll keep it short. I've wasted a lot of life being lazy, but as of late, I've been trying to change. If that means sitting my ass down to right this bitch, then that means you guys are getting three chapters a week.
@Purin
Oh, now I have something to look forward to when I get home tomorrow.
- #123
- 23 February 2011 - 03:11 AM
- #124
- 23 February 2011 - 03:14 AM
Anyway besides the rambling I'm really enjoying reading this Meowth, I'm looking forward to reading your future stuff.
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I know exactly what you mean, I've been the same way. I have to work on changing to cause college doesn't let you get away with being lazy as easily as high school did.
- #125
- 23 February 2011 - 03:25 AM
- #126
- 23 February 2011 - 04:22 AM
YOU KNOW. I'm sure it hasn't hit Mike, but Lucy would be more than willing to run to his aid and assign Lily and her mother to take care of the lot.
JUST SAYIN'
- #127
- 23 February 2011 - 05:05 AM
Secondly, I realize many fans are hesitant to push past the progression of the canonical story by sort of side-stepping a situation that has not been pursued or or resolved yet, and essentially just focusing in on an on-going circumstance and emphasizing it without actually moving past the boundaries that might suggest a false foreshadowing that might contradict what is perceived on canon. Ace, for example, has an excellent story called "Sweet Spot," that hones in on Mike and Jasmine's relationship troubles, but does not actually progress past what is already known canonically, barring some intuitive assumptions of the characters' ways of coping/consoling one another.
Getting to the point, you have boldly stepped past that threshold and created a very plausible progression of what the actual story could culminate into - and that is what I like about fanfic writers. Sure some controversy is bound to arise when you go that route, but that is obvious since everybody has their own interpretations of the BCB characters, especially the main protagonists that are Mike and Lucy. That being said, I admit that I have never considered Lucy's reaction to Mike's affection to play out that way, even though it doesn't necessarily mean that it is unfathomable. In fact, it marks a progression in Lucy's character to suddenly feel as if she doesn't need Mike as desperately as she blindly has been her entire childhood. It made me think, "You always want what you can't have, but when you get it you realize you never needed it."
There are other aspects I like as well, but I find myself rambling on like a giddy school girl sucking up to her teacher and presenting a shiny Macintosh apple....
Okay, so lastly. I don't know why, but I really like this line.
"Lucy looked at Mike's revealed face to see an expression that showed fear, anger, and confusion all at once."
It is a simple description of Mike's expression, yet so complicated. I picture all three emotions separately in my head, but trying to place them all together just made me think how overwhelming Mike's state-of-mind truly is. Maybe I am just easily impressed, maybe not.
So being of dismal quality at critiquing, I honestly can't suggest any improvements. I'm pretty far-removed from this level of writing, so I apologize for that. I guess I could take the gay way out and summon the grammar nazi upon you...*shrugs*
Looking forward to more from you!
P.S. The "Daisy's Dilemma" almost made me pee my pants
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- #128
- 23 February 2011 - 06:53 AM
Purin, on 23 February 2011 - 06:53 AM, said:
Secondly, I realize many fans are hesitant to push past the progression of the canonical story by sort of side-stepping a situation that has not been pursued or or resolved yet, and essentially just focusing in on an on-going circumstance and emphasizing it without actually moving past the boundaries that might suggest a false foreshadowing that might contradict what is perceived on canon. Ace, for example, has an excellent story called "Sweet Spot," that hones in on Mike and Jasmine's relationship troubles, but does not actually progress past what is already known canonically, barring some intuitive assumptions of the characters' ways of coping/consoling one another.
Getting to the point, you have boldly stepped past that threshold and created a very plausible progression of what the actual story could culminate into - and that is what I like about fanfic writers. Sure some controversy is bound to arise when you go that route, but that is obvious since everybody has their own interpretations of the BCB characters, especially the main protagonists that are Mike and Lucy. That being said, I admit that I have never considered Lucy's reaction to Mike's affection to play out that way, even though it doesn't necessarily mean that it is unfathomable. In fact, it marks a progression in Lucy's character to suddenly feel as if she doesn't need Mike as desperately as she blindly has been her entire childhood. It made me think, "You always want what you can't have, but when you get it you realize you never needed it."
There are other aspects I like as well, but I find myself rambling on like a giddy school girl sucking up to her teacher and presenting a shiny Macintosh apple....
Okay, so lastly. I don't know why, but I really like this line.
"Lucy looked at Mike's revealed face to see an expression that showed fear, anger, and confusion all at once."
It is a simple description of Mike's expression, yet so complicated. I picture all three emotions separately in my head, but trying to place them all together just made me think how overwhelming Mike's state-of-mind truly is. Maybe I am just easily impressed, maybe not.
So being of dismal quality at critiquing, I honestly can't suggest any improvements. I'm pretty far-removed from this level of writing, so I apologize for that. I guess I could take the gay way out and summon the grammar nazi upon you...*shrugs*
Looking forward to more from you!
P.S. The "Daisy's Dilemma" almost made me pee my pants
Too long did not read (jk) Well pointed out Purin cause I never thought about those 3 emotions all at once. Now that I am I think I'm getting a migraine from thinking about it x.X . But yeah like purin said I hardly see any flaws if there are any in this Fanfic and I very much love this story. Not so much that it talks about Mike's cancer but just the fact that Lucy and Mike are finally getting along a bit better without those pointless arguments.
- #129
- 23 February 2011 - 10:58 AM
I'm glad to hear that everything worked out in the end. I was honestly a little worried about using cancer in a story since I don't know much about it and I didn't know if I was really entitled too, but I didn't want to limit myself either.
Oh, and thank you, look forward to writing more for you.
@Sushi
You see what happens when I don't edit? It's not pretty.
@Taeshi
Hmm, as you said, "I'm sure it hasn't hit Mike..." Of course it's also a rather complicated matter given Blur being over their, and Mike knowing how Yashi and Chirpy would react to Lucy being gone too often. But I'm glad you brought this up because I had completely forgotten about Lily.
Ah, plot devices... truly wonderful.
@Purin
My bad, I didn't mean to put you in a time constraint.
Honestly, I had to read Antigone last year and I didn't. I missed a lot of the days we talked about it and I completely blew it off. One of the reasons I need to make a full English credit this year (half way done
Oh, I remember Sweet Spot. That was a great story and it was actually very original as well.
I know exactly what you mean. The main reasons a lot people don't agree entirely with the choices I make are because of the way I see the characters (Mike is gay) and the way I view their reactions to things (Mike reacts positively to dick). Honestly, most (not all) of the issues people mention to me, I already know about from the start. I could already tell people weren't going to agree with certain decisions the characters made. I.E. the end of No Purrfect Moment. That was definitely a highly debatable ending, for both Mike and Lucy. But I won't get into that, since my reasons for their reactions are longer then the actual story itself.
Well, I'm starting to ramble myself... I'm glad you enjoyed the story and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to write all of this.
It's also nice to know you caught some of that hidden meaning I spread throughout.
P.S. I had to read your message like ten times, until finally I got it.
@RedJack
I'm glad you're enjoying it. I know at the moment my reactions between Lucy and Mike are a little weird, but they will be explained later.
- #130
- 23 February 2011 - 10:25 PM
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From the looks and pacing, you could take another 20 chapters and not end the story.
I hope the constant shower of compliments give you strength to go on!
- #131
- 24 February 2011 - 01:05 AM
- #132
- 24 February 2011 - 01:47 AM
Also, I actually really liked the way you described Mike's sickness setting in as he thought of having to tell everyone about the cancer. Though, Lucy's reaction seemed somewhat less intense than I would have expected of somebody standing next to their very sick friend who started to shake, have trouble walking and just in general look like they're about to fall apart like a cheaply glued together broken ming vase. So it ended up quelling the moment a little by making me wonder just how much of that was just Mike internalizing, and how much was actually happening to him. A minor complaint, but it bugged me none the less.
Also, I'm not entirely sure the relevance of the title of this chapter... If it's meant to be referencing Mike feeling alone, it wasn't really effectively exhibited in the text, as Lucy's constant presence made him seem far less isolated than he had been previously.
Anyway. That's my 2 cents. I'm finally getting that critical eye of mine to stop being gob smacked at the enjoyable story so hopefully I'll be back in the swing of actually trying to be somewhat useful.
- #133
- 24 February 2011 - 03:00 PM
Tensions are mounting...
The next chapter will be uploaded on Saturday.
@Lycan
With any luck I can keep this up.
@Sushi
I'll do my best.
@Maverick
My mistake, I must have made a touch of an error when I was describing Lucy's feelings. She was feeling a bit confused (as I mentioned), but as well as fearful. You have to take into consideration that although she is there for Mike's sake, she is also there for somewhat selfish reasons. The fact that all people do everything (including helping others) for their own reasons is an element I include in a lot of things I write. I think it adds a bit of darkness and reality to even the brightest of moments.
As for the title, it was referring moreover to his psychological loneliness rather than his physical. Basically, his refusal to share his thoughts with Lucy, although she was genuinely concerned. There is also a touch of irony regarding the human psyche involved. He is deathly afraid (no pun intended) of being alone, yet he is still unable to open to himself to Lucy and he clings on to the same sense of self pride all people have.
A critical eye is very much appreciated.
Also, thank you for the kind words.
- #134
- 24 February 2011 - 10:39 PM
Interesting! I like the rising tension and Paulo's reaction! Though I expect more interaction with other of the table as well. ^_^
I hope Lucy does something now. Hum... Would she care, even if it is the boy's bathroom, to go in there and comfort Mike?
Oooh, Mike will have some explaining to do now.
I want Mike apologizing now
Also, are you using the Kübler-Ross model? I know it's not fixed and stagnant, but I feel Mike swaying too much between anger and depression. Where's denial? ^_^
Anyways, I guess Saturday holds a nice chapter for us!
Keep at it, Mr. Meowth!
- #135
- 25 February 2011 - 12:50 AM
When Mike say "I am cancer" I asked to myself "Who am i?"... I don't have cancer or another thing but i thinked about that
Well... Wainting for next chapter
- #136
- 25 February 2011 - 12:57 AM
- #137
- 25 February 2011 - 01:21 AM
- #138
- 25 February 2011 - 01:41 AM
The reason for the rapid shifting in depression and anger has to do with exhaustion. I had mentioned Mike hadn't been sleeping much, so naturally, he is very tired. That stacked on top of the devastating news is resulting in him having extreme mood swings. Although it's truly a terrible analogy, he is like a woman on her period. He is easily angered, easily depressed, and very sensitive to everything around him. Not to mention anger can lead to depression, and depression can lead to anger... You know, all that fun stuff.
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Directly, no, but I have definitely referenced several descriptions on the 5-7 stages of grief. So you could say I am in a way.
As for denial, I've been wondering how I'm going to work it in, and honestly, I've somewhat forgotten about it. I am glad you brought it up because it may be just the direction I'll need to go in the near future. Then again, I'm not even positive where I will go so we'll just have to wait and see. Oh, and keep in mind, only a few days have actually passed since his diagnosis.
Oh, and thank you for the compliments.
@andresm
Yeah, the cancer comment has a lot to do with the way he has been feeling about himself throughout the story. It's a lot like how he continues referring to himself as a plague.
@Fenix341
Well, Paulo is a rather observant young fellow if I do say so myself.
Not to mention he has a particular eye for when his friends are in trouble.
@Sushi
Personally, I look at Mike as very innocent. Actually, I look at the whole cast like that. Lucy and Abbey probably being the closest to exceptions. So you know, a large response to him being in so much pain (ironically caused by him not being used to this type of pain), is causing him to react and feel differently to and about many things.
- #139
- 25 February 2011 - 02:07 AM
- #140
- 25 February 2011 - 02:25 AM
Maverik, on 25 February 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:
I didn't mean she was actually proud, I was just portraying that with Mike's mood. But yeah, that was somewhat a true story. I know two girls in my math class who I some how always end up sitting close too. If I even began to discuss the stupid shit that they did you would gouge your eyes out.
EDIT: Oh, and your kind words are always appreciated.
This post has been edited by Meowth: 25 February 2011 - 02:32 AM
- #141
- 25 February 2011 - 02:31 AM
- #142
- 25 February 2011 - 04:22 AM
This really isn't my favorite chapter, but maybe you guys will feel differently.
Chapter 13 will be published on Tuesday. Comments and Criticisms are welcome.
@RedJack
I'm glad you liked it.
This post has been edited by Meowth: 26 February 2011 - 08:20 PM
- #143
- 26 February 2011 - 06:41 PM
Abbey is a nice friend... Well Mike will talk to more people wanting or not... And i am sure will hurt so much when he gonna talk about that
Keep doing this wonderful work
Waiting for more
- #144
- 26 February 2011 - 07:32 PM
Interesting chapter. It makes sense for Abbey to have gone after Mike.
Though I really want to know how Paulo and David are dealing with Mike's outburst ^_^
Oh, just to be picky, here
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That could mean I'm stupid, too ^_^
Maybe Mike is going to be called by the principal after the lunch incident?
- #145
- 26 February 2011 - 08:06 PM
Lycan, on 26 February 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:
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I rewrote that sentence like ten times and it still came out looking like that. It's the sentence after that helps sum it up, but I was at loss for what to do there.
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Waiting for more
Can do, and more is on the way!
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Depends entirely on who witnessed the little outburst.
- #146
- 26 February 2011 - 08:19 PM
Another good chapter, I really can't see why you don't like it, I think it's one of the better ones so far. As always, you make it seem realistic, rather than stupidly OOT dramatic.
- #147
- 26 February 2011 - 09:17 PM
Though that would be awesome. Post in my MixeSue thread. We'll build an army of shippers
I had an impression he shouted so loud and exploded with such hate that everyone would know about it in a little time. You know, gossipers. Specially considering it was Mike, the quiet humble 'star student', who exploded.
But, oh well, I guess gossips are not shared with the teachers.
- #148
- 26 February 2011 - 10:03 PM
Paulo
Daisy
Can't really think of anybody else but...
Good job once again. I liked how you built a bit of suspense on when Mike would tell Abbey or if Mike would tell him at all. It really made me stick to reading what was going on instead of watching spelling/grammar mistakes. One thing I noticed though:
"Mike could feel so many emotions well up in him so quickly he didn't know how to process them." Did you actually mean well up or swell up. Can't seem to figure which one would fit it more.
- #149
- 26 February 2011 - 10:18 PM
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- 26 February 2011 - 10:47 PM











