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A direct sequel to the infamous Love Me.

Inspired by Lucy's highly publicized actions, Augustus decides to find a creative way to fix a problem of his own. And the perfect opportunity has just presented itself.

Just as gory as the last one, Love Hurts promises to remind you why you loved or hated it's predecessor. And it's all. SushiJaguar's. Fault.

Read at your own Peril.

(Love Hurts is a commissioned story paid for by SushiJaguar. The origional concept is by SushiJaguar, and the characters all belong to Taeshi. As if I need to tell you guys that.)

Oh shit. Ooohhhh shit.. Well, the BCB forum wouldn't be the BCB forum without some incarnation of this monstrosity, I suppose ;__;.

This post has been edited by Sammy: 01 February 2011 - 07:26 PM

Say thank you to the nice Aussie, children.

That was probably one of the most hardcore things I've ever read. No, it was hardcore up until I saw the word 'anus'. It was at that moment I knew it had surpassed "hardcore" by far. Not to mention beautifully written.

That's Maverik summed up fairly concisely.

Screw you too, Sushi. I am determined not to read this, but terrified that I will anyways.

The words "direct sequel to Love Me" make me flinch.
Oh, man. Courage. You can read it.
I'm afraid.
Oh well, let's do it.

(I'll edit later when I finish reading)

I plan to get around to reading this tomorrow at some point.

I will get a nice cup of milk, some cookies, wrap myself up in a blanket, and read the crap out of it. Oh it will most definitely be a glorious read.

Excellent story as usual, Maverik.

Well, I didn't edit, but:
Far too short! I really really loved the ending, but Sushi! How dare you give Mr. Maverik so little money? LOL
(I can hear you screaming in my face "pay it yourself then!!! " heh)

You did a great job with not much room to write.
Love Me still remains better because there was much more suspense, things happening, both before, during and after the... hum, torture.

Then again, nice work!

The old story still freaks me out... but it prepared me for the new one. Good story...

Oh god the DRILL...
Even spartans get shocked!

No words except the comments I posted on your devianart O_o¿

This is like SAW but the victim have no chance to escape (alone)

Instructions for reading 'Love Hurts':

1) Read it
2) Gape at how horrific and beautiful it is
3) Apply mind bleach

Excellent work Mav

Strangely I can look at this Recent Uploads | Photobucket and not be disgusted, I can look at a L4D zombie's guts falling out, and not be disgusted, but I can't read this story without feeling sick beyond belief... but considering how well written it seemed to be from the quick look through followed by crying, it's probably very good.. if you enjoy that... (That one last part with the pile of guts and blood that used to be Abbey.... ugh I can't get that out of my head... ><)

Thumbs up dude.

Just read the story.
...Not the way I had imagined certain people to pair up.

Haven't read it yet, but scrolling through the comments yielded the words "anus" and "drill". "A direct sequel to the infamous 'Love Me'" didn't exactly fill me with a feeling of joy and contentment. Still, I'll get round to it at some point. Probably with a therapist on hand. I'm sure it's up to the usual Maverik standard, but I can't review it yet.

Lycan, my next commish will be at least £50. $100 to you. That enough for ya?

Damn yeah

There wouldn't happen to be a second link that wasn't da, would there?

Snoregore, on 04 February 2011 - 02:54 AM, said:

Unfortunately I have decided to keep my commissions as DA exclusives because I loath pretty much every other site's formatting. It's not really that hard to make a dummy account on DA if you're under age though, so if you want to read it there isn't really any excuse.

Failing that, if you REALLY don't want to make another DA account, I'm sure somebody here will be kind enough to send you a copy.

I guess Abbey

got screwed.

Radial...

What did I tell you about witty one liners?!

I really need to get around to making a DA account one of these days but I can never be bothered to do it.

I'll probably just make one so I can read this tomorrow.

This post has been edited by KAS Bat: 04 February 2011 - 07:46 AM

To anybody who's interested, there's another sequel to this (the final one) in the works, care of SushiJaguar again. It will also be posted exclusively on DeviantArt, so make sure you have an account that can view 18+ material if you wish to read the thrilling conclusion!

Shouldn't that be "courtesy"? Either way, all you kiddos just run along now.

Oh, joy.

I bet the next one is gonna be McCain, all those "Shut it McCain!"'s is begging for a nervous breakdown

Ok, I gotta do this, sorry.

I'm calling bullshit on the originality of Love Me's torture scene.

Recently, (2009) a movie came out which revolved around a professional killer who's life was torn apart by a random house break in. During said break in, the two men stabbed our main character and then raped and killed his wife and young daughter. Following this, after justice was not served, our man proceeded to capture and torture one of his assailants. The movie shows the beginning of the torture where we see the welding mask go on,the eyelids come off, the mirror, and the adrenaline introduced. Throughout the rest of the movie, other methods involved in the torture are divulged to the audience. Excepting the nails jammed up Mike's shlong, EVERY OTHER TORTURE METHOD IS USED IN ALMOST THE EXACT SAME WAY IN THE MOVIE AS THEY ARE IN THE STORY, most times, even with the same instrument used.

The name of the movie is Law Abiding Citizen. Still quite a good movie, it makes you think.

Here is the torture scene from the movie. Don't watch if you are easily sickened.

Seriously, don't watch it if you found the literature bad.

Seriously...

The embedding is disabled, you'll have to watch it on youtube. Probably better that way.

This post has been edited by David: 18 April 2011 - 07:21 AM

David

This is a story

Nobody cares.


Not to mention, originality is taken for granted in today's society. Come see me again when you call bullshit on cover songs and other such examples of wondrous progression in the arts.

David, on 18 April 2011 - 07:17 AM, said:

You criticise this story? Fine, let's see you write something better. And guess what? No-one gives a flying piece of horse shit. This was done to test Mav's ability to write stuff that goes through disturbing and out the other side.. Thus, it's unlikely to be the most well thought-out piece of writing in the history of the world. Again, no-one could care less. Take your petty criticisms and delusions of self-worth elsewhere.

This post has been edited by Sammy: 18 April 2011 - 11:18 AM

Could you post this to fanfiction.net, Maverik? I can't read it on DeviantArt because I'm not old enough...

Smash Genesis, on 18 April 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

Maverik, on 04 February 2011 - 04:54 AM, said:

Damnit. I REALLY have to start reading topics before I post in them.

Smash Genesis, on 18 April 2011 - 03:31 PM, said:

Blazer, on 18 April 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

Damnit. You REALLY have to start previewing posts before you post them.

But I did and that, now broken, link was a response for DeviantArt account ... Don't see the problem since there is a connection between "lol" and underage registered account when you can easily make another one

@Sushi & Sammy

What you both failed to realise is this is a commission. In most cases, this means a person was paid money to create something, be it art or literature because the person commissioning it lacked the talent or creativity to create it on their own. Wheather money was involed in this, I do not know. The commissioner of this peice came to Maverik under false pretenses of his creative ability, as the original piece's charm and allure, was simple plagarism.

The entire focus of a writer and an author is to take their creativity and originality, and put it into words so that others might enjoy their work. Sure, the plot was original, but you had to steal to create torture, honestly? You have the entire world of pain, and an infinate amount of methods to inflict it, and you chose to steal from a movie.

I can see that there was at least a little creativity with the nails, and some definate thought with blowing out his eardrums, but why would you stop there? A person who reads these types of literature is looking almost exclusively at the creativity of the torture methods included, they don't want to see thee same cookie cutter tecniques over and over again, especially not something blatently plagarised, they want new and different ways to imagine pain on the characters being read about.

You might think this is no big deal, but as a writer myself, I find it just a little infuriating that someone would plagarise on the open nets, then not only recieve praise praise for it, but be commissioned to write a sequal.

And yes Sammy, I do write my own literature. Although I tend to stay with more vanilla romances, science fiction, and social and political commentaries.

Look, I can see you've got at least some creativity, and I'll admit, I've used others' ideas in my own writing as well, (imitation IS the highest form of flattery) BUT, where you and I differ, is that I at least TRY to add my own flair to the base concepts, and if it still resembles too closely the original content, I pay tribute to the original idea. It's simple. "Thanks to xxxxxx for giving me the idea of xxxxxx!" And if it came from another member of the site, I'll even send him/ her a message to check it out for themselves.

All you had to say was, "I got some of the ideas for this story from "Law Abiding Citizen", it's a pretty cool movie, you should check it out," or something along those lines. But when you use content that is not yours without citing the source, and you gain money for it, you are very literally, albeit indirectly, STEALING.

David, get off your fucking soapbox, you arrogant little turd. He recieved money from me for an entirely original story. He did not steal for Love Hurts. I don't care whether he stole for Love Me or not. You are no better, and you admitted it yourself. You take from sources, the only way you differ is that you cite them. I don't care whether Mav cites or not. What I care about is; "Did he write a good horror story, or not?" The answer here is yes he motherfucking did. I was so satisfied, no, impressed with Love Me that I spent my own dosh on a sequel, and even a third to round off the trilogy he had planned.

The entirety of Love Hurts comes from Mav, with the exception of the characters and the setting. I think he's very ably succeeding in fulfilling your elitist conditions, and that you should dismount firmly from your high horse, prostrate yourself at his feet and admit that you were wrong.


PS; Hey, fuckwit. It makes you looks worse to say "Oh hey, he steals, hate him! I steal too, but I'm BETTER because I SOURCE"

PPS; Cookie-cutter. Are you fucking kidding me? It's cookie cutter if these actions have been used twice in media? WELL HOLY FUCK, WE'D BETTER GET RID OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN USED SO MUCH IT'S COOKIE CUTTER

This post has been edited by SushiJaguar: 18 April 2011 - 05:44 PM

David, on 18 April 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

I am fully aware that this is a commission and the meaning of said. Love Me was not a commision, and I see no resemblence between Love Hurts and Law Abiding Citizen. Thus, Sushi got his money's worth in terms of what he wanted and what he got. Maverik is one of the most accomplished writers on this site and, although that may not be saying much, he does therefore have a right to do as he pleases in terms of writing style. As I believe I said before, Love Me was originally written to test whether Mav could take characters he liked an dput them in different situations [paraphrase]. I quote Maverik directly:

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He didn't plagiarise in the hope of getting glory for himself, nor did he plagiarise due to a lack of imagination. It was an excercise in his own ability. Love Hurts was totally original as far as I am aware, as has already been said, which demonstrates beyond question his talent. So please, and I will say again, take your meaningless bleated grandeur elsewhere.

This post has been edited by Sammy: 18 April 2011 - 05:59 PM

@Sushi

Actually, citing your sources is very important. While yes, you did get what you wanted, that is not an excuse. I'm not saying he DID plagiarize either, I'm simply humoring the possibility. Honestly, I don't think he did because I believe Mav to be respectable enough to cite his sources.

My point is that you can argue with David as much as you want on whether or not Mav actually did plagiarize, but the fact is, if he indeed took ideas from this movie and refused to give credit, he made a very big mistake and I agree with David in most respects regarding that.

I already said I don't care about the plagiarising. Just 'cause I like you doesn't mean I'll agree with you.

SushiJaguar, on 18 April 2011 - 06:35 PM, said:

Just because I like you doesn't mean you're not an idiot. How are you going to sit here and defend plagiarism?

I'm not defending it, I don't condone it at all. I just don't care. I got what I wanted, so it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. Rather than going against me, you shouldn't be siding with a known plagarist yourself, Pisstaker!

This post has been edited by SushiJaguar: 18 April 2011 - 07:46 PM

Without contacting the originator of the content you are using, it is considered Copyright Infringement, which may result in large fines, imprisonment, and civil lawsuits. This is exactly the reason for those 10 second WARNING screens you always see at the beginning of a movie and the copyright page(s) at the beginning of books.

Yes, I am aware that Love Me was not a commission. BUT, without Love Me, you would have never asked to have Hurt Me commissioned. Wheather for glory or not, Love Me did bring him money and fame. His stealing is, as I said before indirect, but absolute. Like I said, you purchased this under false pretenses of ability.

As to the cookie cutter reference. I was not calling all of what was in Love Me cookie cutter, I had already given him props for the nail part, I was talking about the mentality of people who read these types of stories. They want to see new and gruesome ways to torture victims, and when you steal directly from another source, you are absolutely propogating that cookie cutter feel. It completely loses the feel of originality when you see the EXACT SAME THING across different stories.

Yes, I use others' ideas, but only as a base. I do not integrate a word-for-word transcription of what I've seen/ read into my story. If I saw a fellow writer use an exotic pet for an intergral part of the story, (it might be something like a Lassie scenario) I may use that as a base for my own. Instead of a beautiful dog, I might go with a wolf, or go avian and use a hawk or an owl. Instead of saving my main character from certain peril, I might just have it to help my man pick up chicks. But in the end, I try to alter the idea to not only fit my story, but my style, until it is unrecognizeable, until it is uniquely me, and the only similarity is the main character has an exotic pet that helps the story progression. If I am unable to do that, I cite where I got the idea, and if possible, contact the originator for his views/ thoughts. When I have gotten feedback, it is always positive with their thanks for contacting them.

Yes, it might have been an attempt to exercse his ability to work outside his safety zone, and I completely understand why he made the story. But to take the characters and put them in a situation that is stolen, without getting permission or citing the source, with the end product being that he was commissioned for money, he is now very much in the wrong.

This post has been edited by David: 18 April 2011 - 08:05 PM

Oh geeze, this has gotten a little too hot off the grill.
I say everyone tape their mouths shut and wait for Maverick to respond, cause obviously this arguement will not end until he explains himself.
And that does not mean pester him to come back in here.
Now for individual responces:

@David: While "Love Me" was written without cites, we are talking about the sequels, which were thought out more effeciantly. Furthermore, "Love Me" was a practice story written for the community's amusement, so no payments were made. You can complain about the original, but this is not the topic to do so. It would've been easier to PM Mav about it than to point him out.

@Sushi: I'm pretty sure you could've handled this a lit better. Just state your point and leave it at that, there is no reason to linger here any longer. Also refrain from name calling, it doesn't make you look any better than how you're trying to make David look. And don't get angry with me, I'm just trying to keep the situation neutral.

@Meowth: Please don't get sucked into this arguement, eventually the topic will be closed. (I'm sure neither side cares what I have to say)

Final Comment: Clearly I'm gonna be ignored, or worse, mocked for trying to control the internet, but if you're gonna start an arguement please move it to the appropriate sub-forum.

This post has been edited by Ved_of_Flames: 18 April 2011 - 08:18 PM

David, on 18 April 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

False pretences of ability? I take it you have not read Maverik's other stories. Go and do so, and then labour under false pretences yourself. As for "money and fame", Maverik did not write Love Me with the intention of profiting off of it. He wrote it purely as an excercise, as has been said many times before. Thus, he needed a scenario to work off; one presented itself, and he worked with that. It's the same deal as people striving to perfect their own artistic talent by working in the syles of Monet or Picasso. They are not stealing if they paint a bowl of sunflowers with Van Gogh in mind. Likewise, Maverik was, but be aware that I do not speak for him here, branching out his style by writing off of a source that was already there.

This post has been edited by Sammy: 18 April 2011 - 08:23 PM

@ Ved.

Yes, I understand that Love Me was a practice story made with no payments. What the issue here is, is that the story gained enough fame to have someone commission a sequal. I am not complaining with the sequal, I have no idea of the legitimacy of it's content. But the question here is, "Would he have gotten the commission to do a sequal for Love Me without Love Me coming out first?" The answer is of course no. So through an illigitimate opener, he was able to obtain money. THAT is where the problem lies.

@Sammy

There is a very distinct differeence between painting in the style of, and tracing. This is tracing. I am quite aware that Maverik is one of the forums favorite writers, so why would he stoop so low as to trace?

This post has been edited by David: 18 April 2011 - 08:39 PM