I am not aloud to look into the symbolism of something just because it is simple? Also do not state the reason I do not enjoy something is because I am enjoying it wrong that is flawed logic. All I wanted to know was if the author had a reason because they could have represented it as night and day rather then sun and moon. Some crazy feminist somewhere could make a conspiracy theory that because the sun is the good one the author was trying to say male characteristics are dominant. I do not feel this way I can just see a crazy feminist saying that far crazier statements have been said by crazy feminists.
My Little Brony: Friendship is Epic
- #51
- 15 February 2011 - 05:27 AM
- Ace
- BCI Member
Rawrdinosaur, on 15 February 2011 - 05:27 AM, said:
I am not aloud to look into the symbolism of something just because it is simple? Also do not state the reason I do not enjoy something is because I am enjoying it wrong that is flawed logic. All I wanted to know was if the author had a reason because they could have represented it as night and day rather then sun and moon. Some crazy feminist somewhere could make a conspiracy theory that because the sun is the good one the author was trying to say male characteristics are dominant. I do not feel this way I can just see a crazy feminist saying that far crazier statements have been said by crazy feminists.
Yes, well I do not know the writer's intentions are, but it seems that this over analytical concept people have about it detracts from the fact that it's a silly show about ponies. But it seems this has gone beyond ponies. I would question whether you have insecurities about feminists, but I don't see what that has to do with ponies at all.
- #52
- 15 February 2011 - 05:33 AM
Sadly I don't have any opinions on ponies other then they are small so I shall go away and only come back when I feel it is necessary. Also I don't have anything against feminists its just sometimes people are so overzealous about it that it they start to say sexists things against men like men are the cause of all war and only men commit sexual assault and then I get in trouble for pointing this out.
- #53
- 15 February 2011 - 05:42 AM
- RickAstley
- Member
1. I made this thread for the pony fans I know are on here so if you don't like it don't comment. I never got this when I made a post about the Alfred the Hedgehog cartoon.
2. Episode 1 is the worst episode you don't even get to see the battle at the end of the story.
3. Luna is coming back the creator said so.
4. The creator IS a feminist so she wouldn't put an anti female message in it.
5. The ponies pulling the chariot are not animals they are the princesses royal guard.
2. Episode 1 is the worst episode you don't even get to see the battle at the end of the story.
3. Luna is coming back the creator said so.
4. The creator IS a feminist so she wouldn't put an anti female message in it.
5. The ponies pulling the chariot are not animals they are the princesses royal guard.
This post has been edited by RickAstley: 15 February 2011 - 07:04 AM
- #54
- 15 February 2011 - 06:41 AM
- SuitCase
- Administrator
It is a show designed for little girls, with an emphasis on "little". Little boys might enjoy it too, though there is a definite gender split amongst franchises like this one, Beyblade, Totally Spies, or many older examples. It is true that quality production values and great writing can lead to this line becoming blurry, but MLP doesn't have the same universal appeal these breakout series, like the Powerpuff Girls, had. The writing just isn't as good.
Foster's Home is a good comparison. It had universal appeal, was very well written, and most importantly was not constrained by plots understandable by very young children. It is a good cartoon worth watching as an adult.
MLP, while very well executed and obviously produced by talented people, obviously does not aspire to be be the same thing as Foster's. It is an adaptation of a franchise for little girls that is made so well that it holds some appeal for people outside that demographic, whether they be 1. not little or 2. male. There is nothing wrong with saying it's a good cartoon, because it is. But it's not the sort of cartoon worth changing your avatar to or drawing tee-hee-hee-so-funny-I-just-love-drawing-ponies fanart for or making threads about or anything. It is still a cartoon made for young children, and it is not something an adult should ordinarily watch. I have watched it, and I know it is not a Pixar movie, as much as you might want it to be.
But then again, what do I know? People said How To Train Your Dragon was a great movie with universal appeal. I thought it was clearly a kids' movie, and not fit to be compared to proper movies with serious attempts at plotting and writing.
I don't understand what you're asking here. 90% of the appeal of any fictional work to me is the quality of the fiction, but doesn't that go without saying?
Foster's Home is a good comparison. It had universal appeal, was very well written, and most importantly was not constrained by plots understandable by very young children. It is a good cartoon worth watching as an adult.
MLP, while very well executed and obviously produced by talented people, obviously does not aspire to be be the same thing as Foster's. It is an adaptation of a franchise for little girls that is made so well that it holds some appeal for people outside that demographic, whether they be 1. not little or 2. male. There is nothing wrong with saying it's a good cartoon, because it is. But it's not the sort of cartoon worth changing your avatar to or drawing tee-hee-hee-so-funny-I-just-love-drawing-ponies fanart for or making threads about or anything. It is still a cartoon made for young children, and it is not something an adult should ordinarily watch. I have watched it, and I know it is not a Pixar movie, as much as you might want it to be.
But then again, what do I know? People said How To Train Your Dragon was a great movie with universal appeal. I thought it was clearly a kids' movie, and not fit to be compared to proper movies with serious attempts at plotting and writing.
Spazz, on 15 February 2011 - 03:43 AM, said:
SuitCase, is your only grief with the show the simple/predictable plots and flat character personalities? From my perception, those are the only things that make it any different from say, BCB for example.
- #55
- 15 February 2011 - 08:39 AM
First, I would like to say that I have nothing against your tastes. If you enjoy this show then more power to you. Everyone deserves to have something they can enjoy. I am inclined to agree with SuitCase in that this show is not meant to reach out to viewers in a broad demographic. It is a very specialized show. But you like what you like and no one can take that away from you. And I especially agree with you that it is important to break the mold and defy expectations based on arbitrary gender stereotypes.
But there is one important thing that you are missing. And this is not meant to target you specifically, as many people do this, but it is an important thing to know. This:
will never happen anywhere ever. I'm sorry.
But there is one important thing that you are missing. And this is not meant to target you specifically, as many people do this, but it is an important thing to know. This:
RickAstley, on 15 February 2011 - 06:41 AM, said:
if you don't like it don't comment
will never happen anywhere ever. I'm sorry.
- #56
- 15 February 2011 - 01:31 PM
- Taeshi
- one hot bitch
Administrator 
This topic is too good for Recess. I'm moving it to Social Studies.
This show is so overrated. I really did try to like it because I know I do have a habit of being harsher towards things that are incredibly popular, and while I adore all the cute animations/meme images that have popped onto the internet, I just.. couldn't get into it.
I think the writing is painfully mediocre, the only thing that saves the show is the wonderful expressive animation and I guess the interactions of the characters, but I can predict the plot five minutes into the episode and it seems the characters change depending on the plot (Like Twilight suddenly becoming giggly-girly-happy-time-sleepover-yay-friends-are-awesome and Fluttershy changing from being shy to being scared of fucking everything. Flanderising already like five episodes in?! It's pretty ridiculous.)
Fluttershy was basically my favourite character until that dragon episode. Now I don't know anymore :-[
I mean I feel I'm walking a slippery slope in the whole "Oh you think you know the characters better than the creators?!?!?", but those episodes bugged me big time and it wasn't just the predictable plots.
I mean I guess I shouldn't be too harsh on the stories because I shouldn't be taking it seriously right? it is a kids show, after all
This show is so overrated. I really did try to like it because I know I do have a habit of being harsher towards things that are incredibly popular, and while I adore all the cute animations/meme images that have popped onto the internet, I just.. couldn't get into it.
I think the writing is painfully mediocre, the only thing that saves the show is the wonderful expressive animation and I guess the interactions of the characters, but I can predict the plot five minutes into the episode and it seems the characters change depending on the plot (Like Twilight suddenly becoming giggly-girly-happy-time-sleepover-yay-friends-are-awesome and Fluttershy changing from being shy to being scared of fucking everything. Flanderising already like five episodes in?! It's pretty ridiculous.)
Fluttershy was basically my favourite character until that dragon episode. Now I don't know anymore :-[
I mean I feel I'm walking a slippery slope in the whole "Oh you think you know the characters better than the creators?!?!?", but those episodes bugged me big time and it wasn't just the predictable plots.
I mean I guess I shouldn't be too harsh on the stories because I shouldn't be taking it seriously right? it is a kids show, after all
- #57
- 15 February 2011 - 03:08 PM
- bigdogstan
- Member
omg this show isn't broadcasting in the uk
so this is new to me
the plots are a little shallow... but i love the ponies
(is that a ds PHAT i see kaxbe
)
- #60
- 15 February 2011 - 04:45 PM
- bigdogstan
- Member
awww but its cute...i must admit (it must annoying, but it doesn't exist in my country so its not mainstream so its hip
, no really i haven't seen it enough to annoy me yet 
)i get where your coming from
say hi to RASTA MOUSE!
(this is annoying)
This post has been edited by bigdogstan: 15 February 2011 - 06:00 PM
- #62
- 15 February 2011 - 05:59 PM
- RickAstley
- Member
Taeshi, on 15 February 2011 - 03:08 PM, said:
and it seems the characters change depending on the plot (Like Twilight suddenly becoming giggly-girly-happy-time-sleepover-yay-friends-are-awesome and Fluttershy changing from being shy to being scared of fucking everything. Flanderising already like five episodes in?! It's pretty ridiculous.)
Fluttershy was basically my favourite character until that dragon episode. Now I don't know anymore :-[
I mean I feel I'm walking a slippery slope in the whole "Oh you think you know the characters better than the creators?!?!?", but those episodes bugged me big time and it wasn't just the predictable plots.
Fluttershy was basically my favourite character until that dragon episode. Now I don't know anymore :-[
I mean I feel I'm walking a slippery slope in the whole "Oh you think you know the characters better than the creators?!?!?", but those episodes bugged me big time and it wasn't just the predictable plots.
Honestly I thought there personalities were consistent. Fluttershy is a very easily scared and timid girl who is often afraid of strangers and scary things she grew some balls in the dragon episode to show timid kids that they can be strong too and she was only able to be that strong because she had her friends behind her she would have run away in any other case and she's gradually coming out of her shell.
Twilight is society retarded most times and didn't have any friends except spike until recently so she was very excited about her first sleep over.
There is more then one side to everyone's personalities.
- #63
- 15 February 2011 - 06:25 PM
Rastamouse is my new favorite show.
This post has been edited by Sammy: 15 February 2011 - 07:28 PM
- #65
- 15 February 2011 - 07:28 PM
- RickAstley
- Member
Shotgun Wizard, on 15 February 2011 - 07:07 PM, said:
LOL is that supposed to be Taeshi?
- #70
- 15 February 2011 - 08:00 PM
- MiwAuturu
- BCI Member
- Ask me what I think about Snooths!
Ace, on 15 February 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:
How much/ what did you watch?I will be the first to admit that the show DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST PLOTS, but the animation is beautiful, the characters have interesting personalities, and the humor is generally well done. You may be morally opposed to ponies, but remember, it's a silly show designed to be watched, enjoyed, and not to be over-analyzed. Find something magical about it and just go with it.(Fluttershy, weeee)
It really sounds as if you're trying to force yourself to enjoy a show that you don't actually like by focusing on a single thing and ignoring all the rest.
This post has been edited by MiwAuturu: 15 February 2011 - 08:24 PM
- #71
- 15 February 2011 - 08:14 PM
- Spazz
- Member
SuitCase, on 15 February 2011 - 08:39 AM, said:
I don't understand what you're asking here. 90% of the appeal of any fictional work to me is the quality of the fiction, but doesn't that go without saying?
Generally, it seems to me that it's a victim of circumstance because it's being produced under the HUB's specifications (not to mention that that's what Lauren's been implying), which I'd say is why continuity isn't so important or vital for that matter (like Fluttershy and Twilight's apparent fickle personalities). It just doesn't have to take itself so seriously as a more major production like Foster's. Not to imply that any of that is an excuse, that's just that way it is. Which just leads back to saying "it's just a kids show like it or don't."
Personally though, it's really the visual charm that gets me. I admittedly have an affection for pretty much anything in the realm of "Hello Kitty Cute."
- #72
- 15 February 2011 - 09:19 PM
I have to say I enjoyed the 2 minutes of Rastamouse far more then the 22 minutes of the pony show.
- #73
- 15 February 2011 - 09:40 PM
- ChewySmokey
- BCI Member
Ace, on 15 February 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:
How much/ what did you watch?
I will be the first to admit that the show DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST PLOTS, but the animation is beautiful, the characters have interesting personalities, and the humor is generally well done. You may be morally opposed to ponies, but remember, it's a silly show designed to be watched, enjoyed, and not to be over-analyzed. Find something magical about it and just go with it.
(Fluttershy, weeee)
I will be the first to admit that the show DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST PLOTS, but the animation is beautiful, the characters have interesting personalities, and the humor is generally well done. You may be morally opposed to ponies, but remember, it's a silly show designed to be watched, enjoyed, and not to be over-analyzed. Find something magical about it and just go with it.
(Fluttershy, weeee)
I skimmed a couple episodes, I can't tolerate that amount of "cutesy" things in one sitting, makes me light headed (seriously, it does). I will agree with you that the animation is really great, but the character personalities REALLY got on my nerves, it's like "OH FUCK OFF! FROWN OR SOMETHING!", but that's just me. Even if I could get past that, the general feeling is a touch bit too juvenile for my taste. Like I said, whatever floats your boat, but not my cup of tea.
- #74
- 15 February 2011 - 11:21 PM
- Susan
- BCI Member
- harlot and pretend virgin and quitter
My TF2 Backpack.
Ponies can be found on the fourth page, from the second to last row with the shotgun and hat.
Ponies can be found on the fourth page, from the second to last row with the shotgun and hat.
- #75
- 16 February 2011 - 03:19 AM
- Taeshi
- one hot bitch
Administrator
RickAstley: No, that's stupid. The fact Fluttershy suddenly changed from a timid shy girl who is scared of a few things to a REALLY FUCKING SCARED GIRL HOLY SHIT EVERYTHING IS FRIGHTENING I CAN'T EVEN FLY OH MY GOD SCARED OF MY OWN SHADOW AND LIKE A CRACK ON THE FLOOR OH MY GOD even though in episode two i was holding myself pretty well, and kept the shy and timid aspect intact, is very stupid. That definitely feels more one-dimensional to me than anything. Exaggerated personality for the sake of an already hackneyed plot.
It woulda been much better to keep her at her normal timid/scaredycatness because then her sudden change to FIGHT FOR MY FRIENDS wouldn't have been so forced and ridiculous.
The only reason I'm giving it a hard time plot-wise is because I've had people be all "Man this show is so smart and clever with wonderful writing and you should watch it" and when I DO criticise the writing for being predictable and done a million times in other children's show, I get "hey man it's just a children's show, you should like relax and have fun with it"
like what do you want me to pick man
I could probably give it to Twilight being more excitable, but her excitement just seemed akin to Pinkie Pie standards. You can be excited for something without completely trashing your original personality.
It woulda been much better to keep her at her normal timid/scaredycatness because then her sudden change to FIGHT FOR MY FRIENDS wouldn't have been so forced and ridiculous.
The only reason I'm giving it a hard time plot-wise is because I've had people be all "Man this show is so smart and clever with wonderful writing and you should watch it" and when I DO criticise the writing for being predictable and done a million times in other children's show, I get "hey man it's just a children's show, you should like relax and have fun with it"
like what do you want me to pick man
I could probably give it to Twilight being more excitable, but her excitement just seemed akin to Pinkie Pie standards. You can be excited for something without completely trashing your original personality.
- #76
- 16 February 2011 - 03:34 AM
- ILB
- secretly a man
Member
True, that. The fact that she suddenly seemed unable to use her wings even though she has used them well both before and after seems odd, for instance. I do believe it may be arbitrarily (and perhaps forcedly, I will admit) attributed to her fear of approaching the dragon, though - I find that fear tends to culminate.
- #77
- 16 February 2011 - 10:37 AM
From me to you. Kind of a long intro if you just want to get to the ponies skip to 1:40. I kinda want the sonic pony because it looks awesome.
This post has been edited by Rawrdinosaur: 16 February 2011 - 11:03 PM
- #79
- 16 February 2011 - 11:01 PM
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic | Know Your Meme
I knew the popularity of this had the stink of 4chan on it. Luckily for you it mostly started on /co/ board then worked its way onto the /b/ board.
I knew the popularity of this had the stink of 4chan on it. Luckily for you it mostly started on /co/ board then worked its way onto the /b/ board.
This post has been edited by Rawrdinosaur: 27 February 2011 - 05:43 PM
- #82
- 27 February 2011 - 05:42 PM
- RickAstley
- Member
Pony threads are currently being deleted from /co/ there close to being banned.
- #83
- 27 February 2011 - 06:47 PM
RickAstley, on 27 February 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:
Pony threads are currently being deleted from /co/ there close to being banned.
Why because they are annoying or overdone? I never liked /co/ the people in that section scare me. I'll stick to /v/ thank you.
- #84
- 27 February 2011 - 06:52 PM
no love for the ponies - Carmen
- Member
I've watched maybe about two full episodes.
It's not bad-cute, nicely animated, etc, I don't see the large hype for it though. Everytime I see Pony stuff now though I always think back to you guys haha.
It's not bad-cute, nicely animated, etc, I don't see the large hype for it though. Everytime I see Pony stuff now though I always think back to you guys haha.
This post has been edited by Carmen: 27 February 2011 - 07:42 PM
- #87
- 27 February 2011 - 07:41 PM
- Leaving_a_Comment
- Member
RickAstley, on 27 February 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:
Sweetie Belle and Scoot-a-loo! Those are two of my favorite ponies.
But where the FUCK is Starsong?!
- #91
- 08 March 2011 - 03:00 AM
- RickAstley
- Member
Leaving_a_Comment, on 08 March 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:
RickAstley, on 27 February 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:
Sweetie Belle and Scoot-a-loo! Those are two of my favorite ponies.
But where the FUCK is Starsong?!
The show is just in it's first season I'm sure some more old one's will come back if they can get the name copyright.
- #92
- 08 March 2011 - 03:15 AM
I sit and watch this show with Oreo sometimes. It is sort of silly, but I do love the animation. I really miss this kind of animation. Some new shows just look so cheaply made. (Like the new episodes of CyberChase.) Plus, it makes me laugh. :3 As long as I'm having a good time, I'll watch the show.
- #94
- 09 March 2011 - 11:14 AM
bigdogstan, on 09 March 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:
too much cgi 
miss hand drawn stuff
miss hand drawn stuff
I agree. Some CGI movies are great, but they would have been 100x better hand-drawn.
- #97
- 09 March 2011 - 08:28 PM
- RickAstley
- Member
bigdogstan, on 09 March 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:
too much cgi
miss hand drawn stuff
miss hand drawn stuff
CGi is cheep that's why no one uses animation cels anymore.
- #98
- 09 March 2011 - 11:15 PM
- RickAstley
- Member
This is what happens when 4chan gets a hold of something.
- #99
- 11 March 2011 - 01:52 AM
Unicorns are similar to ponies.
- #100
- 11 March 2011 - 01:59 AM