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I mentioned incest in a gay marriage forum a while ago. In it, I compared it to bestiality, pedophilia, and incest. Now, while the first one is VERY wrong, and the second is as well, the third (to me) is a bit iffy. If I remember correctly, most of the argument towards it was that the kid would come out deformed and mentally handicapped. So what if they just don't have kids? Adoption doesn't count as conceiving a real child. Not all marriages need to have sex, or if the man or woman has surgery to prevent a child? Then what?

You tell me, I suppose.

bestiality is a bit iffy to you....... alright.....

If two people love eachother then i don't GIVE A FLYING FUCK. the same with gay marriage. Your relationship is of no interest of me. your facebook statuses to eachother only blocks my wall. Incest causes deformed children in later generations and i live as a foreigner in the south of great old USA so plenty of my friends have parents that are first cousins and they are all normal(ish seeing as they have the mutant ability to put up with my shit). I think the world would be better if people were all self absorbed and said "what you do with that meat bag doesn't help or hurt me, so i don't want to hear about it" don't confuse not giving a fook with being open minded. It just means you are of no interest to me. Hurray narcissism!

because im not religious, anything ges in my book, the poll needs a dont care button

This post has been edited by lolwut: 21 February 2011 - 02:05 AM

No. No, no, no. In this I am as adamantly retarded as a Christian. I refuse to accept any sort of bond between siblings or lesser family members. It sickens me to think of it, as in, it makes me physically sick to think of getting it on with any of my family members. I will not believe love comes of any such relationship, (who am I kidding, love's a myth anyway ) but if you feel sexually attracted to your family, then that's fucking dandy, just don't bring it up, don't do it anywhere near me, and don't fucking kick off a massive hissy fit like a schoolchild. Deal with your problems in a mature way.

PS: I'm sure this seems weird coming from me, open-minded about gays (jank) as I am, but it's just...nauseating. Maybe I'd be chill with another person indulging in it, but they'd better not start making out in the middle of a fucking hang-out or whatever. All depends on the situation.

SushiJaguar, on 21 February 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

Not trying to sound mean, your opinion is your own, and I will respect it, but if you saw a couple making out at a hangout, would your first guess be 'they might be siblings?'

Hell. Add those eye color changing contact lenses, a dye job, and bam. No one knows you're making out with your older sister.

Sushi, i agree with that PS. Im straight and have to say guys kissing just chills the spine. I will vote for LGBT to have all the rights of any man or woman but I just can't get over incest in my face. I don't care and don't tell me about it and please don't PDA all up in my face.

Siblings? NO
Cousins? They'd have to be pretty distant.
Elders to the young? Are you out of your mind!?

Damn it. I should have put a poll question: What if they're STEP-siblings....Oh well. Something to consider, I suppose.

ChewySmokey, on 21 February 2011 - 02:10 AM, said:

...A little bit on that last question.

...That's creepy. Needing that kind of deception in the first place, doesn't that even hint to you something's wrong with shagging a family member?

And if I saw a couple making out a hangout, I wouldn't bother with them unless they were talking to me. Then, being the utter prick I am, I'd find a way to interrupt them, possibly in the most awkward and annoying fashion. Then if I found out they were brother and sister, I would go try to forget what I just heard. And my night would be ruined. And I'd be shooting them funny looks like; "Dude...how the hell?"

But like I said, depends on the situation. Fuck, my cousin used to fancy me till she was thirteen, then she found someone who doesn't share fifty percent of all possible permutations of her DNA. Do not want, King. Do not want.

(Shrugs) When I was younger, I actually did find my sister physically appealing for a moment. But I was a hormone pumping teen, and she was a twenty year old woman in a two piece bikini rubbing lotion over her body. And it was only a moment. Just something to consider, I suppose.

Creepiest thread in the forums.

King, on 21 February 2011 - 02:11 AM, said:

I think that would depend on circumstance; like if you weren't raised with your step-sibling then I don't really see there being a big deal...

Kaxbe, on 21 February 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

...What about Love Me? That guro fic Maverik (I think his name was) made?

ChewySmokey, on 21 February 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

Are you two idiots?

Yes, you can marry your step-sibling. No blood relation, and such marriages are recognized worldwide.

Idiots.

This is still a creepy thread.

King, on 21 February 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

Still creepier.

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Kaxbe, on 21 February 2011 - 02:19 AM, said:

it's a personal opinion, retard

ChewySmokey, on 21 February 2011 - 02:21 AM, said:

Now, now. Let's not be rude about this. Its all just personal opinion. We should just accept them, and move on with our lives.

Kaxbe, on 21 February 2011 - 02:19 AM, said:

I feel kind of good knowing I'm creepier, to be honest. Makes me feel proud.

I can think of hypothetical examples where it's morally okay to marry even close relatives (think about people who meet as adults, for example, or those horror stories about brother/sister couples that didn't realise until it was too late). I don't see why you should deny them the right to be in love and marry, though I think having an sibling/parent-child incest baby is on par with having a child while being HIV+, and should be prohibited by law.

It seems to me the fundamental problem is the ickiness of growing up in a relationship which is not designed to be romantic, where trust is so easily abused. It's the same as a student/teacher relationship. I wouldn't say outright that it's wrong to have such a relationship, because I could imagine examples where it's not, but it should be generally discouraged and is a lot more likely to be icky and upsetting because of the circumstances. So while, like, an atypcial example of a brother and sister falling in love when first meeting as adults seems fine to me, it's hard for me to think of a case where siblings could grow up together and fall in love without there being a horrendous abuse of trust or otherwise unethical behaviour going on somewhere.

I don't have a particularly didactic outlook on moral issues like these so I kind of feel the same way about bestiality and sexual interaction with younger children. It's not unequivocally irrevocably in-all-cases bad to do these things, but the potentially exceptional cases are so unlikely and the chance of horrendous inhumane behaviour so astronomically high that I can see why people can and do make blanket statements. Murder is kind of legally treated this way now, it is a sickeningly immoral thing to do in most cases but in others is justifiable enough to yield different penalties.

Ignoring the social ramifications, marrying and having children within the same bloodline carries far too much risk to be accepted.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Inbreeding

As for the moral side of the equation, it's one of the tougher nuggets to crack. My own personal opinion is against relationships of this nature, but not to the fact that i would persue prosecution of those who willingly would accept them. However, I could easily see an issue with any of these relationships is the power struggle that can ensue when one person could coerce another into an unwanted relationship with the closer bonds they have with a family member

This post has been edited by Pants: 21 February 2011 - 02:32 AM

Pants, on 21 February 2011 - 02:30 AM, said:

Adoption: The best way to get around inbreeding.

Not that I would no.

There's also having surgery so that the woman can't become pregnant.

SuitCase, on 21 February 2011 - 02:26 AM, said:

This is the opinion I probably agree with most, though my views are a bit more idealistic. Thank you, sir.

By the way, isn't guro supposed to be mutilation porn? Love Me doesn't fall under that category, if so.

Damn you, King!

You had to bring up incest, which of course reminded me of Better Days, where Fisk and Lucy (brother and sister) make out and later sleep with each other.
Dammit, I didn't want to think about that at 10:30 at night!

And, just asking, WHY did you think to ask this question?

(PS: Jay Naylor is a f**ked up dude! Seriously!)

paulpopebatman, on 21 February 2011 - 02:37 AM, said:

...Curiosity? I can't be the only one has wanted to bang his sister.

....T-that was a joke, I swear.

To hell with religion, not only is it a major social taboo, it violates ALL OF GENETICS.

Incest causes genetic defects because of redundant DNA, so inbred children end up being significantly more likely to have horrible defects.

Some animals exist that are gay, but ALL animals avoid incest at all costs.

Does it count if I wanted to violate my sister with bullets? Preferably high powered 5.76 NATO, fired from a anti-tank rifle a hundred yards away?

Murder doesn't count as incest.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

Not necessarily, there are always situations where animals do breed with their siblings or parents, I don't have specifics because I forgot what they are called but I'm fairly certain varieties of wasps do so. While inbreeding depression is seriously bad because it reduces fitness, it is not wise to say ALL in any biological sense. Something always violates the rules.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

That natural selection doesn't think it's good isn't a good reason to discount it. Nature is horrible, and we are better than it now.

SuitCase, on 21 February 2011 - 03:03 AM, said:

Just because were at the top of the food chain doesn't mean were the best thing for nature.

Pants, on 21 February 2011 - 03:07 AM, said:

We made cheeseburger in a can. Your argument is invalid.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 02:49 AM, said:

I know the genetics are bad. Which is why I mentioned adopting a child and getting surgery to prevent pregnancy.

Before making an argument supporting incest, think about this:

You're supporting incest.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:12 AM, said:

...And? Is they're supposed to be more?

Shouldn't that say enough?

It's on par with bestiality in terms of being socially and genetically unacceptable.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

Not for me.

...But bestiality is with a non-sentient being. Incest has both beings able to think for themselves. I doubt I could say much to social, but with genetics, you can easily get passed that. Adopt a child, or just don't have one. Plenty of people can get married and not have kids. There's no law saying you need to have kids when you marry.

the more and more i read this thread, the more it makes me care and form an opinion, which i am strongly against. Now i have to say i would outwardly try to stop people from being incestuous instead of just not carring. god damn internets changing my opinions....

also, the parent child thing is out of the question just no. I would call the cops and get a hammer.

King, on 21 February 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

SURRRRREEEEEEEEEEE it was

King, on 21 February 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

What. Animals are sentient too. Jeez, having a hard time remembering basic biology there?

SushiJaguar, on 21 February 2011 - 03:24 AM, said:

Well I did fail the first semester of the class.

Sentient: 1. Having sense perception; conscious: "The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage" (T.E. Lawrence).
2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

Huh....I suppose, technically, animals are sentient then. Oh well. They're still not people....Right?

Incest is technically a crime against nature, at its core. Those are laws that you just aren't supposed to break.

No, animals aren't people. They're lesser beings, quite simply.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:28 AM, said:

Maybe. But wasn't homosexuality considered a crime against nature once?

SushiJaguar, on 21 February 2011 - 03:28 AM, said:

Then there's still a difference between bestiality and incest.

I just realized something. I'm supporting incest....Meh.

This post has been edited by King: 21 February 2011 - 03:31 AM

Still, incest isn't much better than bestiality. You may be staying within the species barrier, but the risk of birth defects is a direct and incredibly likely occurence.

King, on 21 February 2011 - 03:30 AM, said:

Technically, since homosexuals can't reproduce normally, they can't directly influence the gene pool the way incest does.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:31 AM, said:

Have surgery. There. No pregnancy. Or hell, just DON'T have sex. It is possible to marry someone and not want to have sex with them.

And how are you going to convince ALL incestual people to do this?

Yeah, no, your solution doesn't work. Shut up.

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

Well incest is pretty rare, as is. How many could there be in the world? Five? Six incestuous couples?

With charts. Preferably pie charts. And with a video of exercising poodles.

And who says I'm going to convince them? I'm too lazy for that shit. I'm just expressing my opinion and how I think the consequences or challenges can be avoided.

This post has been edited by King: 21 February 2011 - 03:38 AM

CriticalQuit, on 21 February 2011 - 03:32 AM, said:

Yep. In essence, homosexuals might as well be dead in relation to their direct fitness. Course there is indirect buttttttt....

lurks in the shadows of this thread.

This post has been edited by Daer21: 21 February 2011 - 03:52 AM

Daer21, on 21 February 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Hi dad.

wat?

Daer21, on 21 February 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

Pedobear is my dad. I'm Incestbear....Did I not mention this in my profile?



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