Starting Over — Page 23
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Comment ID #232286

Wait, wait, wait! They first met in kindergarten, correct? So why is it that they weren’t in kindergarten together in this?
Also, why is it that the only major change for Lucy from back then to now is that Lucy has grown sideburns? Why is it that the second boy in the 10th frame is wearing Mikes hat and looks like Mike?
Lastly, ‘but when you came back in first grade’ is not a question.
@ Supertails/Floweramon
Oh, well then.

Nikita November 5, 2012, 12:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #232287

Aww, sentimental Lucy is back!

Bangomango November 5, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #232288

Those 2 look so adorable as kids.
@Nikita: Welcome back. Also I think they met in preschool but I’m not 100% sure.
Edit: yep. Look at Ch 25 Left Behind page 2 They met in preschool.

supertails19 November 5, 2012, 12:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #232289

*Facepalm*
I’m sorry, but lucy…
Are you thinking? Straight anyway?

INTENSE READER November 5, 2012, 12:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #232290

“You were the only one who showed any kindness to me. Therefore I must be a jerk to you now, and amazingly bi**hy-clingy when we are together in highschool! BECAUSE THAT IS THE PERFECT RECIPE FOR A RELATIONSHIP! X3

Frodomann1 November 5, 2012, 12:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #232291

@Nikita: They were in preschool when they first met.

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 12:07 AM EST.

Comment ID #232292

God, I am so sick of Lucy right now. She is just the worst.

Atlas November 5, 2012, 12:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #232293

Damn lucy, why not just write deniel on your forehead

lov/hate/hurte November 5, 2012, 12:09 AM EST.

Comment ID #232294

dang it, this is going to be really goddamn adorable and sweet, isn’t it? Then once I’m all happy and fuzzyful from the overdose of adorocity, boom! Something unhappy.

WHY MUST YOU PUNISH US! ;_;

The Real Lee November 5, 2012, 12:10 AM EST.

Comment ID #232295

I know Lucy was pretty clingy and mean but still mike was pretty mean to come back to her after ditching her.. :(

Midstrike November 5, 2012, 12:10 AM EST.

Comment ID #232296

Now that it’s been pointed out…Lucy actually was pretty mean to Mike back then. Even before Kindergarten? That’s a very long time for her to be abusing him. (whether it classifies as abuse is up to you, I consider it to be slight abuse, but abuse nonetheless.) I can fully understand Mike not wanting to be around her, especially with her almost never having a happy face on. He looks so scared and nervous around her, there’s no way I could have dealt with that for 13 or 14 years, however long they’ve known each other.

LightTribe November 5, 2012, 12:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #232297

@ Supertails
Thanks but I wasn’t gone. I just had nothing to say so I didn’t post anything.
Also, the posting time limit is kind of annoying. I hate having to make two posts because I clicked the post button at 10:11 or something.

Nikita November 5, 2012, 12:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #232298

Uh oh….Brace for an emotional train wreck!

Fluffy November 5, 2012, 12:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #232299

Man, Lucy hasn’t changed at all, has she? I know this happened in the past, but she still should have known better. It baffles me that she only came to her senses recently near december.

Anon November 5, 2012, 12:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #232300

Oh wow, I really like the 5th panel!

Box November 5, 2012, 12:16 AM EST.

Comment ID #232301

Why does being polite and friendly constitute being a “stupid, annoying moron” to Lucy?
Lucy’s smart - and she does have a good heart - so would have killed her to be decent to the one person who was willing to give her a chance?
I’m sorry - I know I keep moaning on here about her, but I actually really do love this comic XD it just irks me how people have kinda decided that Mike’s the devil now, just for reacting to being treated like crap, insulted, punched, kicked, led on, put down, and then expected to leave his girlfriend who has always been kind to him the second Lucy confesses her love. :/
I think the comic is about the growth of the characters, and I’ve noticed Lucy is maturing and becoming a better person, but at the end of the day, most of her current problems are the result of her own actions.
I also do know how she feels - I have clinical depression, severe anxiety, paranoia and trust issues myself, and like Lucy, an AMAZING group of friends who I am very grateful to have in my life - but I have never, EVER, physically hurt any one of my friends, and as soon as I recognised that the way I wasn’t thinking and feeling wasn’t healthy, I tried very very hard to compensate for it, and underwent counselling, medication, and CBT.
Lucy’s problems are the reason for her actions, but they don’t justify them.

Dave November 5, 2012, 12:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #232302

Lucy just,didn’t know to express her fealings back then, I mean did eneybody ever had that one person that was mean to you but acually liked you and they know it yet

jet November 5, 2012, 12:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #232303

Silly prediction time: this page has Lucy being mean and the next will have Mike being mean. Let’s face it they both have made mistakes in the past and they will make mistakes in the future all part of growing up. The question now is: Are they going to learn from their mistakes yet? *Remembers December* probably not :/.

@Nikita: I hate when that happens too, especially when I take time to think of something remotely interesting only to be told i passed the time limit, oh well.

supertails19 November 5, 2012, 12:21 AM EST.

Comment ID #232304

@jet: Liking someone doesn’t justify treating them like ****. I remember there was this kid in my elementary school who held a girl down and cut a good chunk of her hair off. Turns out he did like her, but was she suppose to feel better about her hair (or even the obvious fact that that he held her down and used scissors on her!!!) because he didn’t know how to deal with his feelings?

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 12:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #232305

Meanwhile, in the teacher’s lounge:
“Do you think perhaps there are kids shoving other kids and being mean, completely against what we teach in school?”
“Ah, there could be. Whose job is it to stop them?”
“Why, it’s our job.”
“Eh, but then I’d have to get up and actually do my job. I’m sure it’ll only get better for those kids.”

^ True story

Shiloh November 5, 2012, 12:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #232306

So, is that what’s going on?
I think Lucy was once a very open and sociable feline, but she came to learn the hard way that if you don’t give into certain standards or play by certain rules, you’re slated to become an outcast. Because of this, she’s adopted the “tough hombre” attitude; don’t bother me and I won’t bother you.
However, Mike was a little different from the rest and was not only friendly, but displayed a high level of tolerance/acceptance. Lucy probably expected Mike to be like everyone else and the fact that he wasn’t perplexes her.
I think she’s attracted to Mike because of this and I think she is frustrated with her attraction to him. It’s hard to tell what she’s more frustrated with at this point: Mike deviating from the expectations she has on people or her feelings for him she can’t seem to explain.
Heck, maybe Mike reminds her of who she used to be: someone who was soft, but weak. Maybe she just wanted Mike to toughen up, but went about the wrong way doing it.

Blank On Purpose November 5, 2012, 12:28 AM EST.

Comment ID #232307

@Nikita It’s not annoying if you use the comments as intended.

SuitCase November 5, 2012, 12:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #232308

@floweramon were talking about foolish young kids they don’t know how to express emotions Yet, we both know that lucys is emotionly ****ed up,she pushed people away back then, she still does that now

jet November 5, 2012, 12:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #232309

I know exactly how Lucy felt. It’s hard to open up and trust anyone when people are mean to you at a young age. From my own personal experience in pre-school I had a teacher who made it her personal duty to alienate me from everyone else. She would put me in time out whenever I tried to talk to her, she would force me to get off any and all playground equipment if another kid wanted it, and they were allowed to push me off or hit me if I didn’t leave. So I sat alone, under a tree, and did my own thing, imagining I was in another realm entirely. I made NO friends until 3rd grade because I had severe trust issues, I didn’t like people because I was so used to being picked on. I didn’t start making more real friends until High School because I really still couldn’t trust anyone. I also was a bit abusive and would hit my friends because I didn’t know how else to show affection, but never anything serious and I was extremely lucky to have friends who were understanding.

It’s pretty much exactly the same thing that Lucy went through, she was alienated for being different. It made huge emotional scars and imprinted at an early age that you can’t trust ANYONE and makes you feel that everyone is stupid or has an ulterior motive. When something like that happens at such a young age, it really does leave some major damage and can lead to all of the kinds of things Lucy goes through. It’s not an excuse, no, but there are real reasons for it and it is really hard to heal from that kind of thing. It takes a lot of time to change that but it is possible and that is what Lucy is trying to grapple with now. The transition from using aggression to mask or express emotions, to being more positive and nice about expressing them. In the end she will become nicer and kinder but it will still take time to open up especially after all the blows she has taken in the past, and future from Mike.

Sorry for the TMI about myself but it really does help with understanding the character if you can know where it comes from personally. :x

GracefulSerenity November 5, 2012, 12:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #232310

@SuitCase

Oh i saw what u did thr. Lololol. 8-)

Also, man shes like those boys who hates a girl he likes and picks on them cus he likes her. So cute XD


….I miss my childhood.

OnlyChillGuy November 5, 2012, 12:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #232311

@ Suitcase
So… what precisely do you mean? I was under the impression that comments were to be used for commenting and, as you can see, all of my comments are comments and therefore used for the purpose of comments, being commenting.
Wow, the stem ‘comment’ was used six times in that sentence.

Nikita November 5, 2012, 12:49 AM EST.

Comment ID #232312

I… can’t really take sides with either Lucy or Mike at this point… :(

I mean, I like Lucy. Have liked her since the start of this story. Although she’s a very tomboyish and rough character, she can be sensitive and nice (in her own way). I mean, think back to older chapters of this story, she’s mostly been competitive yet kind of mean towards Mike, but she didn’t really know how to express herself back then. Also, there have been chapters like ‘Confrontation’ and ‘Troubled Waters’ that show that she’s risked her life for not only Mike but also her friends.
Lucy didn’t really grow much during elementary or middle school. I think she’s changed since entering high school. She still has the attitude and insecurity going on- as well as the clingyness- but I don’t think I’ve seen her hit someone in a while. :\ If anyone can prove me wrong, please let me know.
Still, the point is Lucy has a heavy weight on her as well as the burden of her fear of being alone. Neither are really healthy at this point and ‘December’ didn’t really help her much in either area. What Mike said just made it worse. :/

Speaking of Mike, he used to be a likeable character. Probably still isn’t right now considering current events. Please note that even if he had a right to be angry with Lucy for what happened in the past, Mike could have handled it a lot better. In ‘December’, he practically destroyed her with his words and then acted like it never happened! He even told Sandy that he tried to break ties with Lucy… *scoffs* Do you call being horrible to someone ‘breaking ties’ with someone? >: (
Mike used to be pretty understanding of Lucy and that made him a decent guy. He knew she had issues, but did nothing to help her. Instead, he kept being the ‘good guy’ to her and put up with her for all these years only to get to a point where he’s fed up with it! He even did certain things (learning how to swim and such) to ‘protect’ Lucy. What Mike should have done is get her some help for her problems, even if doesn’t want help.

In these aspects, neither characters are perfect. They’re both teenagers with many flaws that they have yet to civilly get over. Unless they learn from their mistakes or get help, neither are going to grow as a person.

I hope things go well for either of them. I still don’t like Mike for what he did in ‘December’, but unless he realizes just how much damage he’s done and until Lucy gets help, I can’t really takes sides at this point.

Guest D November 5, 2012, 12:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #232313

That knew song by pink would fit the mood rite kow

.... November 5, 2012, 12:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #232314

@OnlyChillGuy
couldn’t agree with you more! i just wish i had this type of childhood, kinda ironic because it has caused so much angst in the present.

Ah well, tis life. Mike was intimidated just by Lucy’s look as a wee kid, good I guess that he’s grown up, but not so much cuz he’s not too nice to Lucy as he could be.

@Taeshi, you know you’ve made it to being a really really good comic artist when your characters are so loved that people have verbal fan wars over them

foreveryoung5 November 5, 2012, 12:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #232315

Awwwww! #^_^# Lucy’s eyes are so big and precious!

Jupi November 5, 2012, 12:55 AM EST.

Comment ID #232316

@supertails19,
probably, i’m still wondering where’s the retcon Taeshi promised for this chapter.

Anyhow, as for them learning anything, i guess that depends on how you look at the chapters that came after December. Lucy is still dwelling and kind of persisting in her little shell, but Mike may understand he was too harsh with Lucy (and that’s all he was, just saying before the lucy hit squad attacks). While others may believe that his apology would have to be insincere, however, as i see it, he may have understood but needed a kick in the pants (provided by sandy) to actually go try and apologize.

The way he was acting in the latter half of said chapter didn’t seem to be of a guy who was just getting it over with. He showed signs of guilt, he was hesitating to do what he needed to do, his actions don’t reflect someone who just wanted to fling out a apology to get people off his back.

The only bad side of things i could foresee if he had been allowed to apologize is that lucy isn’t ready. If she had been apologized to she wouldn’t have developed, she needs time to develop into her own woman. They would’ve been back at square one.

strider November 5, 2012, 1:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #232317

Can we all just agree that they’re all just dumb kids?

Different Adam November 5, 2012, 1:10 AM EST.

Comment ID #232318

FINALLY! The focus is shifting back to Lucy and Mike.

Azuki-tan November 5, 2012, 1:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #232319

I’m sorry, but am I the only one who isn’t hating on Lucy right now? Think about it this way. When a little boy likes a girl, he pulls her hair pushes her over and says mean things. Lucy is just acting like a typical boy. Only she’s a girl. So now everyone is up in arms about how mean she is. Yes she should have maybe eased off the rough housing as they got older, and sometimes she did. But still, I see Lucy as just a little tom-boy showing her feeling the same way boys would show there’s.

Sammy November 5, 2012, 1:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #232320

@Nikita
!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve missed you!!! :33333

Stevum November 5, 2012, 1:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #232321

@Nikita
“But when you came back in first grade?” is in fact a sentence fragment.

Stevum November 5, 2012, 1:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #232322

@Sammy: Taeshi linked this article way back in the chapter At Loose Ends, and it’s very relevant to your statement: http://viewsfromthecouch.com/2012/02/12/you-didnt- thank-me-for-punching-you-in-the-fac/

Edit: @jet, this can also be directed at you.

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 1:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #232323

*sigh* … @sammy look we both know that she tends to be a over bareing bitch, but you said it your self, she not like other girls soo she expresses herself in a diffrent way, but as she grew up she saw that wasn’t working as a fall out of the first time mike left her for sandy and at the end of the summer that summer trip they had, soo is try a more kinder approach,but she haveing a little bit of a lerning curve

wein November 5, 2012, 1:48 AM EST.

Comment ID #232324

The only reason I care to comment so much about these characters is because I can relate to some of them at one point or another in my life. If there was no relation, there’d be less reason to comment on them and even less reason to read the comic.
Commenting doesn’t always have to be a boiled down version of “logic” (how things “should” work, but don’t “always” work). How something has worked out for you should not be generalized as a global theory or something that works out the same way for everyone else. If this were true, diversity would be a dead word.

Blank On Purpose November 5, 2012, 1:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #232325

The art is getting better and better. :3

Just-A-Lurker November 5, 2012, 2:10 AM EST.

Comment ID #232326

Mike and lucy were couple of stupid kids back then,so why judge them for who they are know, stuff isn’t resolved by more hatred,but by saying I’m sorry and trying too treat eachother better

bliss November 5, 2012, 2:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #232327

By thinking back of her memories with Michael, Lucy is actually brooding over her own behaviour. Hopefully, this might be part of the slow change she has been undergoing since she declared to him, and lead her to grow up. But even if it is, she’s just too stubborn to admit her wrong once she realises it.

Cavara November 5, 2012, 3:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #232328

I think lucy just didn’t know how to interact with another child and since mike didn’t show any protest to her behavior she kept it up thinking it was okay. If you hadn’t noticed, in a lot of the chapters Mike retaliated but Lucy took it as playful banter between them. It’s only in the recent chapters that Mike has put his foot down but just not in the correct way and lucy, being used to getting her way with him, has no idea how to handle the situation. That’s just how I see it.

Sense November 5, 2012, 3:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #232329

Some people have just problems dealing with feelings. sometimes people end up being abusive and in denial. keeping a distance from the person closest to themselves with abusive behaviours might make it hurt less when being ditched, right? but sadly for lucy, being scared of it all and acting so tough towards mike, it struck back at her. it hurt anyway.

I also get how Mike couldn’t take it anymore. it’s draining so much energy from him and he has other friends than just her as well, heck, he even has a girlfriend. he stood up for himself, so he wouldn’t be at rock bottom. I know I would hate to see my friends depressed because of one person holding them back.

I might be way off with this, but this is how I’ve seen this situation throughout the comic. :)

Muffsor November 5, 2012, 4:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #232330

Am I the only one, who have the feeling that she tries to convince herself?

Darknest One November 5, 2012, 5:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #232331

To be fair, Lucy did put Mike through some ****. I don’t blame him for acting out the way he is. He has a right to be a “douche” at this point.

BillyMaybes November 5, 2012, 6:29 AM EST.

Comment ID #232332

as we can clearly see here, lucy has been a bitch to mike since they first met, calling him an idiot for being nice to her, even. :/

yet people are still defending lucy and threatening to kill mike, i suppose?

oh, by the way… i’m back, just thought i’d say that since i haven’t graced this place with my presence in so long. :smirk:

Thanatos November 5, 2012, 6:47 AM EST.

Comment ID #232333

I like how they’re just kids, and we’re about to get a reason why lucy’s bothered by his return, you know, an actual explanation. (Seeing as we already knew she was treating him this way, we’ve been shown a couple of times it was like this back then for them)

And then people are like:
OH DRAMA KILL LUCY WITH FIRE NAO.
Also with the namecalling. While still thinking they are intelligent for siding with whoever’s acting nicer on the current page.

It works both ways, but right now?
I seriously hope these people don’t feel good about themselves.
I mean like I said, we already knew lucy would shove him like that. Apart from the obvious, that’s actually how kids treat each other. AND we’re about to get glorious exposition. Just be quiet and wait, durrrrr..

Starling November 5, 2012, 6:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #232334

Additionally: the internet, kill it with fire.

:3

Starling November 5, 2012, 7:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #232335

Unfortunately, I don’t really see a bright future for these two. D: It’s kind of hard to explain, but I’ve had the same instance with one kid only I was Mike and he was Lucy. He wasn’t a needy brat or anything, but he was a bad person and I just had rage every time he popped into my head or came within six feet of me, regardless of his intentions.
I really, REALLY can relate with Mike. It’s extremely hard to stop hating someone that likes you but you don’t like them back, especially if they keep chasing you. But Mike’s really sweet and he may still have some feelings for her, so maybe he’ll come down to his senses and apologize some time. Otherwise I hope Sandy knocks in some sense into both of them.

Pirari November 5, 2012, 7:07 AM EST.

Comment ID #232336

Oh. My. God. Lucy looks so cute the page :3
In fact, so cute, i had to make a comment.

Pshyzo November 5, 2012, 7:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #232337

I like Lucy, I get how she’s acted since she was little, being shunned and pushed away from everyone because you don’t fit the stereotype hurts so much when you’re little and it affects how you look at things from then on. You be tough because you don’t want to show you’re hurt and you don’t trust when other people are nice to you.
Yeah Mike was a decent person, but he’s acting like a douche now.
Lucy has a lot of trust issues and she only shows her true side around her pets. When you have spent that long trying to be tough and hide your fear and hurt, it’s so hard to change and be open with your true self.
I like this comic, it really does show the different reactions people have to different events when growing up. Love it!

Niviae November 5, 2012, 8:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #232338

There’s so much denial coming from Lucy on this page, it almost hurts.

Ziggy November 5, 2012, 8:23 AM EST.

Comment ID #232339

BASH, WHACK, BAM, POW………………
………………….
……………..
………… you know……… your pretty alright…………….. THWOCK

Huh? November 5, 2012, 8:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #232340

Must have been rough for Lucy, having to grow up feeling shuned and hated…

Avory November 5, 2012, 8:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #232341

Are we really going to blame Lucy for her “abuse” in kindergarten? If she was that bad, the teachers should have done something. This is just begging for a perspective shift.

Eva November 5, 2012, 8:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #232342

Whoa whoa whoa…Lucy was always a bitch for no reason? :| Or is it still that she was always really mean because she had feelings for him deep down and that was the only way she could express them? /therapist mode

I guess I gotta wait to see how she acted in first grade.

Follarch November 5, 2012, 9:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #232343

Ok Lucy really needs to learn to take the blame or at least learn empathy. In this flashback it’s really showing us how wrong she is. She needs to learn before she ever gets a chance with Mike.

Kai November 5, 2012, 9:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #232344

When you saw this: Mad Lucy
You were like this: :O-> 8-D
But if you saw this: ;_;
You would do this: :O ._. ;_;
Bottom line: Lucy is a bitch sometimes, but NO ONE can hurt Daisy.
IDK, I saw emoticons ant was like XD

Karkat Vantas November 5, 2012, 9:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #232345

In all honesty, the page has been enlightening somewhat on te dynamics behind Lucy and Mike’s more than complicated interactions and relationships. You can clearly see that Lucy’s been a somewhat troubled child since her youth, being socially, mentally, and (on an extremely long stretch of probability) burdened when around others. Perhaps it could be said that she simply doesn’t get along with people, and her many unlucky interactions led to a very peculiar form of self-loathing, and a loathing for others as well.

A circumstantial situation where she sought others for comfort, shunned them out of anxiety and resistance, then got shunned by others for similar reasons, and at certain times, she may have even thought the loathing she was subjected just wasn’t [i]enough[/i].

That was, until Mike came along.

From the many stories we’ve read till now, it can be concluded that Mike is simply an anomaly within her psyche, a psychological foil if you will. He’s friendly, gets along with others and plays nice no matter the situation. Simply said, he’s a good kid. This doesn’t sit well with how damaged Lucy sees the world, where everyone hates her and she returns that notion.

Mike simply coped with what she did, chalking it up as nothing but a quirk she had in terms of temper, but this also led to a somewhat dependent relationship where Lucy sought him out for his unwavering acceptance of her despite the thousands of social norms she broke in terms of how she acts toward other people, including him.

I could drag this out as long as it goes for a theory, but it still remains as it is, a speculation for people to think upon and maybe comment.

Oh, and cool update, lovin’ the fluffy expressions. :3

Jake November 5, 2012, 10:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #232346

@ Thanatos: The comments sections have had a distinct lack of emo nut job as of late, welcome back.

@ Shiloh: I can vouch for the authenticity of this remark…

SpiritWolf15x November 5, 2012, 10:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #232347

What a bitch.

Ace November 5, 2012, 10:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #232348

I think it’s kind of hard to Lucy, all her life with the same kind of people and then Mike arrived, she wasn’t expecting some guy like him and then he left and she had to go back with the rejection from others, so when Mike came back to her life she knew she was going to be dependent of him and I think she hates that but didn’t have another choice. Mike is a good guy and that’s why a lot of things changed in Lucy’s life.

TGH November 5, 2012, 10:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #232349

I love how you guys turn a webcomic into an analytical scientific argument.

I think it’s clear from this comic that Lucy is a moron (she keeps calling him a jerk, but she’s the annoyance in these visuals).
*grabs popcorn as he waits for the flamers to catch up*

Arkaian November 5, 2012, 10:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #232350

So Lucy has a bit more testosterone than normal! So what!? If Lucy disagrees, check the length of her fingers! If her ring finger isn’t noticeably shorter than her index finger, she has an extra shot of testosterone. If she’s still in denial, she can look up “fingertips and estrogen/testosterone levels.” Try it out. :P

FluffyBrony14 November 5, 2012, 10:42 AM EST.

Comment ID #232351

@Arkaian “I love how you guys turn a webcomic into an analytical scientific argument”

just made your words mine hahah

squeee November 5, 2012, 11:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #232352

Funny.
How naïve you were Lucy.
How so naïve.

wr3h November 5, 2012, 11:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #232353

I don’t get Lucy sometimes… She’s way too angry =/

Bioniclema90 November 5, 2012, 11:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #232354

@Arkaian , I totally agree with you. I don’t know what’s wrong with Lucy, but any normal person would not be hostile toward someone that is nothing but nice to you. Unless she had a troubled childhood (I don’t know if this was covered before, I only sort of skimmed over the previous chapters and read certain ones), then there really is no legitimate reason for Lucy to hate Mike. However Mike treats her is her own fault; Mike has a legitimate reason to hate Lucy, because nobody can stand up with being treated like that for their whole life.

Or we can just skip the entire obvious and already covered explanation and just state that Lucy’s just a super, duper, serious tsundere and refuses to be otherwise. XD

fire-inferno November 5, 2012, 11:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #232355

@Taeshi
Why do I have the feeling or something that you use half of your frustrations to build up Lucy’s issues? I mean I can see a real good pattern, I’m just stating due to the fact that I don’t know you that well. >___>

Casshern November 5, 2012, 11:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #232356

Taeshi, I am dreadfully sorry that most of your commenters are so very shallow. :nope:

Because a FOUR YEAR OLD /really/ just ‘should have known better’. A four year old should understand that just because no one wants to play with you, doesn’t mean you should still try to awkwardly make friends. Especially considering how much experience a four year old has at making friends. It’s the same experience that makes them so skilled at drooling on tables and fighting over the last red crayon. Not to worry, though - The Toddler Association (TTA) will be sending Lucy a strongly-written warning about her aggressive, hat-dislodging tendencies toward such a poor and defenseless little boy. How dare she even lay a hand on him!

Let’s all judge YOU on YOUR merit as a human being based upon who YOU were IN PRESCHOOL. It’s not “time-out” anymore, kids - it’s jail! Have fun being chained up in the corner. :/

Not even close. November 5, 2012, 12:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #232357

Try imagine be alienated by everyone you meet have them be mean and hate you at such a young age because your different! And just shrug it off like its nothing. She probably thinks Mike is stupid because… he is the only one who treats her like living breathing creature… when everyone else doesn’t. She acts this way because it is all she knows she grew up around it knowing that’s how you act. ah “December”, my dad always told me you can be angry, you can be upset but that DOES NOT give you the right to yell or be mean. But at 5 or 6 that’s a little hard to understand. BUT at 15 or 16 you should know better!
@ Guest D
you hit the nail right on the head!

Someone November 5, 2012, 12:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #232358

@Not even close.: You’re right about her not understanding that her behavior was wrong. But that doesn’t make it any less wrong. I refer you to my story a few comments up about the boy holding down a girl and cutting off chunks of her hair. This was a kindergarten boy, mind you. Should he not have been punished just because ‘he didn’t know better?’ How are people, children especially, suppose to learn and understand right from wrong if they aren’t taught?

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 12:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #232359

Way to be in denial, Lucy :v

Laufente November 5, 2012, 12:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #232360

@Atlas: Yeah, lucy is the worst.
@Ace: You took the words right out of my mouth.
@lov/hate/hurte: agreed.
@BillyMaybes: Yeah, Mike has a right to be angry with that bitchface for what she put him through.
@LightTribe: Glad you can see what an ungrateful, lousy friend, and a total bitchface lucy really is.

For people who still hate Mike for some retarded reason after reading this page: Screw you all along with lucy!
For people who can now see what an ungrateful bitch lucy really is: Congrats, you all can see what a lousy friend lucy is.

Any rational minded person would see that lucy would be a horrible acquaintance to know in real life. A person like her doesn’t deserve the affection from the person, who they have tortured over the years they’ve known each other. Sure Mike liked her, but she still pushed him away, so she should just blame herself for the way she is. Everybody in the story, who is either oblivious or doesn’t know the history of Mike and lucy, is retarded to not see how much of an ungrateful bitch she is.

To put it bluntly: I’ve hated lucy ever since I started reading this story, and for the people too stupid and retarded (like david) I loathe/pity you for hating Mike (who is the victim of the abuse lucy put him through).

Otter guy November 5, 2012, 12:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #232362

@Otter guy: While I do agree that Lucy’s consistent behavior is the root of their problem (something I’ve tried to bring up to people who try to claim that Mike started it by ditching her with Sandy), I think calling her a bitch (at least in this flashback) is a little harsh. She definitely has behavioral problems that weren’t properly taken care of and you could argue she’s being something of a bully with her Mike-focused behavior. But I think the term ‘bitch’ is way too harsh to describe a kindergarten child.

On another note, I like how people try to protect Lucy by saying “She’s just a kid, she doesn’t know what she’s doing” when the majority of people also bashed child Mike for the whole ditching-Lucy-for-Sandy thing.

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #232363

I find it quite interesting that the writer has produced such depth, many people are at odds over who they feel was slighted the most.

Still, a few moments are a bit ‘heavy-handed’ and a few more have strange dialogue structures; nothing wrong with that, but some places look odd when I go over the archives.

Jake November 5, 2012, 1:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #232364

I think nobody takeing sides on the whole lucy or mike thing eneymore

bliss November 5, 2012, 1:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #232365

These are just random questions that have been floating in my mind and no one needs to actually answer them: Did Mike’s parents and Lucy’s parents ever find out about this and say “she hits you cause she likes you” or at least know this was going on? If not how can they be so oblivious about this for years and not hear any of the verbal fights, much less the actual ones? Why do people think any of this is so one sided? Why don’t I see a single word of protest coming from Mike he is getting bullied and he is letting it happen? Is he really that frightened of Lucy… this can’t be a good way to start a decade long friendship, can it? Lucy what is he doing that you find annoying, Mike is being a nice pushover for you so why call him a big idiot? Finally, why do I have to be so clueless and confused over these 2?

supertails19 November 5, 2012, 1:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #232366

I fail to see how Lucy’s train of thought makes sense. “I mean, we can play together, though!” =/= “you were a big idiot”

I mean I really can’t understand why she looks so MAD about Mike offering to play with her. She would be too young to be going through some sort of “Don’t you see I like you?! I wish you’d go away so I wouldn’t get attached to you! You’re so nice so I end up liking you when you’re around!” mental gymnastics. That and coupled with the “big idiot” line somehow draws a picture of Lucy thinking that someone being nice is THE WORST AND MOST STUPID THING, which is really strange for someone to think at that age. I mean, she’s 4 or 5. She hasn’t had any life experiences yet to teach her how to be angsty. Didn’t her parents teach her about sharing?

I’m basically just saying that Lucy’s face ****** me off in this update. I woulda smacked her, especially when she starts following people around with death-glare eyes.

Koda November 5, 2012, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #232367

@Strider:

Pretty much this; right down to the very last sentence. ESPECIALLY the very last sentence.

Chocothunda November 5, 2012, 2:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #232368

So these kids never did ANYTHING gender neutral? Gimme a break. How many kids were there in this class? 5? Surely there was some variety other than just Mike, Lucy and the stereotypical girly girls and cootie obsessed boys? I guess it’s possible they were all shallow and stereotypical or Lucy just didn’t try all that hard to make friends. Also no new kids moved in and wanted to play with her, ever? She’s like 4 and already a closed off emo teenager, forever broken by a few kids who liked dolls or cars, never to trust anybody again … :|

I have to agree with those saying there’s a double standard for kid Lucy and kid Mike. How is 8 or 9 year old Mike still being held accountable for running off with Sandy for a year? I don’t agree that it’s right to hold what either of them did in elementary school against them for all eternity (though that doesn’t stop me questioning what seems to be a kind of shallow start to Lucy’s trust issues at age 4 - the things she endured with Mike and Sandy in the aforementioned year and what she experienced in middle school are another matter entirely). She looks ‘angry’ because she doesn’t know how to respond to him and she doesn’t know him.

I wouldn’t say most of the Lucy detractors are really trying to saw her head off like the Mike haters tend to be or that she needs that much defending for the most part. She has a strong fanbase in story and out who are just as entitled to their opinions as those who dislike her or the way she acts are.

Crayon November 5, 2012, 2:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #232369

Do you guys remember your first crush? How you always sounded like an idiot around them unless you knew you were safely in the friend zone? What better way to establish that friendship then with a punch. It keeps them at a safe distance so there is no uncomfortable moments.

I have two brothers, an older and younger and I learned some things. Other boys are not to be trusted, punching makes you one of the guys and that it doesn’t matter how the clothes look as long as they don’t smell bad. That last one I now know is false. But I learned that rough housing, punching and shoving are all things that you do with friends to show affection.

But back to the abusive aspect of the relationship. If you see some friends all hanging out and one punches another in the shoulder, that’s abuse? Or is it only abuse when a person you don’t like is doing the hitting?

Fates November 5, 2012, 2:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #232370

@Fates: Since we’re asking hypotheticals, is it abuse when the wife says that she deserved it and that the husband can’t help it, he just has anger issues? I think we’ve seen where such thinking leads (At Loose Ends)

Mike and Lucy’s situation isn’t nearly as bad as Abraham’s and Charlotte’s, but Mike is clearly shown here to not want Lucy’s angry attention. In an earlier chapter (not December) he even outright said in a flashback that he doesn’t like her, but she stays with him. I think at some point he just gave up and tried to find her good points because he realized she wasn’t leaving him alone and he wanted to deal with that. Over the years he just became resigned to her behavior, even accepting to a point, until recently.

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 2:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #232371

@Not_even_close.

That last part was beautiful and all, but I think you’re forgetting one major fact: from pre-school up until Mike began ignoring her, Lucy’s behavior hasn’t changed one bit. What you said could be attributed to any other character, but this girl’s been a one trick pony since day one, so it doesn’t at all apply to her.

Ziggy November 5, 2012, 3:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #232372

goddamnit lucy. You need to see your flaws

Plantsforhire November 5, 2012, 3:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #232374

Ohh OOHHHh, I can be a armchair psychologist too.

Well at-least SOMEONE realized their life-long list of mistakes, and actually tried to amend it, while someone else went fully retarded and did something pretty much equal to the other persons mistakes, except all at once.
Not to mention a third-party had to tell the person who screwed up recently that what they did was the worst way they could’ve handled it, yet were still in denial about it.

And yet people still see it the other way around.

101 November 5, 2012, 4:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #232375

@Guest D i agree while both sides have their reasons and some are actually very good ones neither can really claim the moral high ground in their argument. lucy had her flaws but never really grew out of them and when she tried to it can be seen that it was to late and the damage had been done. while mike had the chance to help lucy but didn’t and later on the chance to fix things with her but he had already been blinded by his hatred and resentment of her to realize he could of done these things so the current situation wouldn’t have happened. in all while lucy caused this in a way mike never did anything to stop it. i really hope they both get what they need. and you sir(or madame i don’t know) your words are profound and well thought out and i salute you.

i don't know November 5, 2012, 4:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #232376

It’s not just that Lucy is a bad person. It’s the fact that no one corrected her when she was young. Surely there is another reason for her being the way she is and her mother should have seen it. I hopefully see another secretive explosive reason later.

Gabria93 November 5, 2012, 4:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #232377

They’re good friends I hope they do work it out anyway… Lovers or not :l fallout happens with long friendships I’ve had something like this before, well close enough.

Hatah November 5, 2012, 5:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #232379

Ahahaha these two are BOTH hopeless hormonal wits, I can’t tell which one is the worst XD

Knux-the-Killer November 5, 2012, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #232381

@101,
First, no one is being an armchair psychologist, they are merely pointing to what they see and having literary debates over the content. It’s more akin to when you’re in a college level english class and have to present an on the spot vocal thesis to underlying themes and plots in the writing. Second, no psychologist, even an armchair one, would use the term “retarded” since mental retardation or, as it’s called now, intellectual retardation, refers to a persons intellect. Historically defined as a person having a low IQ, namely an IQ under 70. While it’s evolved since it’s inception it’s still widely viewed as a person being, in the layman’s term, “dumb”. Mike in the exhibit you brought forward wasn’t showing signs of intellectual retardation, he was in a “rage” and maybe being a bit hormonal.

strider November 5, 2012, 5:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #232382

What people seem to fail to understand is Lucy’s personality as a whole. They all bitch about how she’s mean to the only person to show her kindness, but isn’t that the most common way for children to show affection? Lucy didn’t have anyone to tell her otherwise… Yet she grew into a friendship with Mike, playing video games and being his equal, eventually falling in love with him.

Mike, on the other hand, thinking his true love was out of reach, let his feelings for Lucy grow. But when the woman he loved more than anyone offered her hand, he snatched it without hesitation as we ALL would. People who bash either of these characters for being believable really needs to get a grip with reality.

@Guest D

This.

EternalOne November 5, 2012, 6:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #232383

le funny meme le internet buzzword feminazis what a bitch lucy is a **** mike is a dick misandry 4 lyfe all problems are either black or white no grey area le funny homestuck reference internet psychologists flaming misogynists empowering female characters let’s turn taeshi’s complex characters into one dimensional pieces of ****

clever homestuck name November 5, 2012, 6:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #232384

@clever homestuck name

Rage much? Just ignore them. Or point them out without being a total *****. Makes you look bad.

EternalOne November 5, 2012, 6:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #232386

@EternalOne

yeah kiddo im butthurt my anus is bleeding from all this anger

im going back to reddit to post pictures i took of women (r/creepshots)

clever homestuck name November 5, 2012, 6:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #232387

@ Suitcase
I’m still awaiting the your answer as to the purpose of comments. I mean, if your willing to try that hard to be offensive (albeit unsuccessfully), you must have a reason, right?

Nikita November 5, 2012, 7:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #232388

So, I’ve seen some comments about Lucy being the bad guy, and Mike being the bad guy. I would like to say a few things about both of them.

Back then, Lucy was usually alone because of her tomboyness (if that’s even a word). So, she didn’t really have any friends. The reason she is mean and abusive to Mike is because she has a hard time expressing her feeling. So I’m guessing that she is greatful to have Mike and the gang, but she just simply can’t express it. And yeah, she was a total bitch back then, but as you can see now, she is warming up to others and trying not to lash out on people.

Mike was nice to Lucy from the begginning, and tried to be a good friend. But you see, he was so tried of looking out for Lucy and of her abusing him. So I guess he just snapped. Sandy did tell him that Lucy wasn’t fit to be his friend, but Mike’s point did make more sense. Mike shouldn’t of hurt Lucy by telling her that she would be all alone when he leaves her. But I don’t think that Mike knows about Lucy’s fear if being all alone again.

Vicky November 5, 2012, 7:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #232389

Okay okay guys, Mike became a dick but it was mainly noticeable after the cliff fall AND Abbey’s speech rally where he quoted “No matter who they are, abuse and bullying should not be tolerated” this was when Mike became really distant and hostile from Lucy…
So if anything, blame Abbey

(Truth be told, you guys are being harsh about Lucy. She was a kid and never corrected and lacked any friends. And it seems to me she tried to put up a forefront and act like a guy in order to gain Mike as a friend (because guys like hanging around other guys and since Lucy liked a lot of guy things when she was younger, she thought that she needed to act like one of them) and since Mike never technically tried to correct her or help her learn how to communicate, she never learned.

If you let a cat sleep on your bed with you and never push it off, it will believe these rules are correct and it will stay there as long as it wishes. When it comes inconvenient for you though, you shove the cat off and it will act differently around you due to the changes it had just experienced.

I’m not saying her actions were right, but not Mike or anyone tried to stop her and say she didn’t have to act a certain way to keep friends. Instead, they let it go and get ****** about it later and then lash out. It’s unfair to Lucy when she SHOULD know better but was never HELPED or TAUGHT better. All she was told is “EW GIRLS ARE ICKY” or “YOU CAN’T PLAY WITH US RIGHT”.

I’ve been through her situation… My boyfriend even went through her situation. Truth be told, it’s not right to blame Lucy or Mike (despite the fact I don’t like Mike right now). If you are trying to find someone to blame though, blame both of them for their thoughts and personalities.

Lucy should’ve acted better -> But she was never taught
Mike should’ve tried to help Lucy earlier or should’ve just ignored her and let her be - > But his personality type wasn’t one to just ignore her and because she was alone, he felt bad

Anyway, that’s my tip of the hat and if anyone would like to discuss their point with me, feel free to ^^)

Mightyena November 5, 2012, 8:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #232390

Lucy seems to be twisting her own memories to her current emotions. No one seems to be as “good” as they were at the beginning of this story. Mike and Lucy are both negitive now.

IBeMe November 5, 2012, 8:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #232392

Kid, you are unbelievably stupid! I’m talking to you, whitey!

Lo November 5, 2012, 9:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #232393

So… Lucy stealing Mike’s toy car makes Mike an idiot? Eh, I’ve heard stranger arguments from a female….

LostInPhilly November 5, 2012, 10:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #232394

Lucy was kinda bullied by other kids way back when it seems for being a girl yet not girlish. **** rolls down hill. It seems to me it’s her defence mechanism. When people develop things like that at an early age its hard to get rid of. I like Lucy, But she has problems she needs to work out before she can have a functioning relationship… (I can be dead wrong on this… It’s just my opinion)

Anthony_frost November 5, 2012, 10:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #232395

You people have the most amazing ways with which to twist what you actually see into what you think you’re seeing. -Mainly because you support one character or the other. I also like how we’re all psychologists even though these’re kids we’re talking about. Pushing and shoving is normal, moreso for lucy. Mike doesn’t know what to do but he doesn’t seem bothered at this point.

But yeah, she’s startled when he says it’s his car, I REALLY LIKE HOW THAT TRANSLATES TO STEALING WITH YOU LOT. Honestly.. we’re being fed perspective with a spoon by the big T. And you guys somehow still manage to get angry at everything forever. 8-D

Starling November 5, 2012, 10:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #232396

@Anthony_frost Has got it right.
But a lot of people here think everything’s two dimentional.

@Mightyena This person… is a genius. :V

Starling November 5, 2012, 10:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #232397

@Starling: It looks like it bothers Mike quite a bit actually. In another flashback in an earlier chapter that showed first grade he said, “Go away! I don’t like you! Leave me alone!” And if he wasn’t bothered by it, it wouldn’t have accumulated into ‘December.’

And you don’t have to0 be a psychologist to understand human nature, or to try and analyze stories and characters (if fact, that’s a normal thing for readers to do)

Floweramon November 5, 2012, 10:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #232398

@floweramon
I’m not saying you shouldn’t analyze.
I’m saying you shouldn’t analyze something to fit your preferences.

Also, the comment you’re mentioning is after what’s currently being shown.
At this time, Mike has yet to say anything, to our knowledge.

Starling November 5, 2012, 11:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #232399

@anthony frost,
i agree, pretty much everyone allowed her behavior to persist. While childhood does set the basis, there should’ve been a point where she realized how damaging her behavior is. In a way I do feel bad for her, if she doesn’t reform herself she’ll become like the woman at the end of True Grit. Cold, bitter, alone, and possibly angry at the world.

However unlike others here, i don’t think that mike or any of her friends had a responsibility to show her what she’s doing wrong. It should have been her parents and to a much, much, MUCH lesser extent her teachers responsibility. There’s something really wrong with the fact that NO ONE in all these years outside her circle of friends (and one odd dude) has pointed out that she’s on a path of self destruction or at least advised her.

strider November 5, 2012, 11:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #232400

@Starling: You are still dodging Floweramon’s point Mike is bothered by having someone shove, stare at, and follow him. It doesn’t matter who you are if you have someone that “borrows” your toys, shoves you, stares at you, and follows you everywhere then you have yourself a problem. Seriously does he know anything about her yet other than her name AT THIS POINT. I’m not trying to be mean or anything but look at panels 3, 4, and 5 tell me he doesn’t look just a little bit nervous around her :unsure:. Mike definitely doesn’t look happy to see Lucy in first grade either :/.

@Strider(right above this post): Thank You! We don’t know what any of the parents have been up to during all of this and they should the first ones to teach their kids what is wrong and right, not some friends or random stranger.

supertails19 November 6, 2012, 12:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #232401

Haha, Lucy is the boy-girl and Michael is the girly-boy.

Skorzney November 6, 2012, 12:09 AM EST.

Comment ID #232402

And then the ovaries/testicles dropped.

Bobbert November 6, 2012, 1:47 AM EST.

Comment ID #232403

I feel pity and rage… what do?

Rusco Istar November 6, 2012, 1:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #232404

Let’s do a little in their shoes moment for Mike, not saying you can’t hate him or that he had a “right” say Lucy was basically a piece of ****. But let’s think about it, since Preschool, Lucy has been pushing Mike around basically. Now some people blame Mike for not saying anything. Think about how ridiculous that sounds for a moment. It’s someone’s fault when they “let” someone “abuse” them? For one thing he was in preschool, you know how young he was? REALLY young. Mike is a fairly shy and reserved child, it’s already hard to stick up for yourself already on top of being young, and also again he was young so maybe he didn’t even know how to handle the situation. Now let’s go more forward into the future. Now there’s two more people in the picture that treat you badly, Paulo and David. Now with them and Lucy, it’s three people that treat you like ****, pretty much constantly, and both are pretty much on Lucy’s side constantly, okay maybe not David, I’m not really sure, but anyway…he never learned how to stick up for himself really. And people are mad at Mike for not saying something sooner, but think about it. There’s three against one, and all three of them are stubborn. Think about Paulo’s and Lucy’s character (and David too). Can you imagine a scene where Mike can SOMEHOW be able to sit down properly with them one-on-one an ACTUALLY talk to them seriously? And even if he managed to get one of them to settle down and do that. What would their response to the whole “Look I don’t really like how you pick on me and hit me, can you please stop?” talk? A “oh sorry bro I didn’t know” and some handshake or embrace? No, that sounds highly unlikely and/or out of character, doesn’t it? They would probably shrug it off as a joke or something and just say how much he’s a pansy or gay for not being able to take a hit and name-calling. Especially since everyone is already so use to doing such. Even if SOMEHOW Mike got ONE of them to listen and they stopped, the others still would pick on him. Mike is in a lose-lose-lose situation no matter what here. The only people that are nice to Mike are the girl characters (expect Lucy) so naturally he’d try to hang out with them more/the most and he can actually be nice to them and talk naturally with them without the impending “Wow what a jerk” or “Wow you’re such a pansy/gay” or whatever comment. Just like how he spent most his time with Sandy instead of Lucy. Think about he was young, if you had a choice to hang out with your little boy dream crush gal whose nice and gentle or the girl that hits you all the time. Pretty easy choice there. And even more so, on top of Lucy picking on him, bullying him, hitting him, abuse whatever you call it, he is pretty much expected to be nice to her, be there for her and comfort her, because you’re the only one that the girl really “counts” on in a way. Remember when Mike rejected Lucy finally confessed to him? Everyone was disappointed in him and/or got angry at him. Despite them FULLY well, he was dating someone else. Because Mike is expected to be nice to her (even though he did let her down easy?) and care for her. And of course, people expect him to “love” her. Since they were so use prior to him having feelings for her. And when someone is “expected” to do something they end up disliking it or hating it. Like when people “expect” you to do this or that. Be a doctor, take over a company, or whatever idk. For Mike, people “expected” him to be nice to Lucy. And he was at first, cause that’s just his personality and how his personality is. But her constant hitting and treating him badly wore him down and soon he began to see that “being nice” to her was/is getting harder, to the point it was a chore. Just like how your parents “expect” you to take out the trash, or do the dishes, or whatever. You don’t want to do it, but you’re expected to, and when you don’t they get mad at you or are disappointed in you. Like again, how when he rejected Lucy, all of his other “friends” got mad/disappointed at him. And this “expectation” of Mike having to be nice to Lucy probably started in Preschool. Think about, you’re a shy reserved little boy, and bam. You got a small white cat gal that follows you around, hits you, and always around you. Whenever there was some Preschool event thingy (idk I was never in Preschool) he was probably always paired up or in a group with Lucy. Because you’re the only one that “plays” with her, and the other kids probably complain and/or hate having too play/be in a group with her. And maybe he even got praised by the teacher his mom/Lucy’s mom for being able to hang out with her, and also being the ONLY one to be able too. And praise feels good, especially as a young preschool boy. So maybe that transferred over to him having a crush on her later on, not saying he couldn’t have had a crush on her genuinely but you never know. So still impressionable and all, you get use to all the hitting, and you start to accept as the norm, the only other friendship you had besides Lucy around this point was Sandy. So he doesn’t know that the whole “hitting” thing is wrong. The teacher apparently never scolded Lucy for it, and MAYBE he’d got praised for being able to play with her. So now he thinks hitting is normal in some friendships. Sandy tells him it’s not, and now you’re in high school and now peeps (like Abbey’s speech on how bullying is not acceptable no matter what) are telling you how a situation like this is actually wrong. Learning that “Hey…maybe what Lucy does to me is wrong…” He starts questioning his friendship with Lucy. Now you realize how much of a chore she is, and yadda yadda yadda. Present time to him being cold and yelling at her and calling her a parasite, this is a text wall I’m sthap. No one is going to read. xD

ohno November 6, 2012, 4:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #232405

-cough- remember guys just as how Lucy was never taught not to “abuse” that Mike in turn could have never been taught that said “abuse” is wrong and thus never taught to “stick up” for himself. Cause it seems like the preschool teacher didn’t do nor say anything or their parents. Or at least they never saw how “bad” Lucy’s, as they would see it, “teasing” could be. Cause again it doesn’t seem to bother him until some people point it out like Sandy and again Abbey’s outburst about bullying during the election. thatisall

ohno November 6, 2012, 4:50 AM EST.

Comment ID #232406

no Ohno, I read the whole thing and very much agree.

Then again it just feels like at times that it is time for Mike to move on to a new group. It’s sad, but for the most part he doesn’t seem happy with them and that he is just doing what is expected. But if you can’t reinvent yourself in high school, when can you?

Well college maybe.

And seriously did no adult/teacher/parent (Mike’s or Lucy’s) EVER step in and say, “no, that is not how we play”, when they were in Preschool/Kindergarden? I attended both, and have nieces/nephews that attended, and Lucy’s behavoir would never have been tolerated.

?!? November 6, 2012, 4:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #232407

Nikita,

The editing function is only supposed to be used for fixing up typos in fully-formed posts. That’s why it has a short timeout, it’s like Reddit.

It’s my belief that the comments are best used for saying insightful or interesting things based on the comic or what other people have posted.

Since it’s quite possible you have nothing interesting to say for a given page (I sure don’t, which is why I don’t post on every page myself) you run the risk of having to fill a “FIRST dshgiodslkjgkldsf” placeholder post with insipid or inflammatory commentary that adds nothing to the page. I think if you were to use the comments as intended, only posting fully-formed comments with no attention paid to whether it’s first or not, the edit function would not bother you.

SuitCase November 6, 2012, 7:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #232408

Yes lucy can be a total bich just as mike can be a total dick there both good individuals wen it comes down to the bottom line. Theres nothing cuter then kid lucy being mean or mopey she’s trying but she’s just to dam adorable Mad Lucy :love: :love:

Blue fox November 6, 2012, 8:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #232409

Lucy can be a little harsh, but I just think that that’s her way of showing she cares. In my opinion, maybe Shes just not the type to openly tell everyone how she feels (Like maybe Daisy sometimes) but anyway, maybe Shes just love-deprived right now. I mean come on. They’ve been friends for years and Mike couldn’t figure that little piece of information. It’s kind of hard to tell your best friend you love them. She reminds me of Rosa Hubermann from the Book Thief (I recommend it, it’s a classic)

Smfh -___- November 6, 2012, 8:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #232410

@nikitia
It is a question. It’s a pause in questioning suspense..

Smfh -___- November 6, 2012, 8:29 AM EST.

Comment ID #232411

Apparently supertails missed my point- I was just reinforcing what anthony was getting at. If he hasn’t said anything, and these are children, she won’t get it, most likely.

Geez. Bitey much?

Starling November 6, 2012, 9:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #232412

@ohno
thank you so much for posting what you think
its just the way i think about the whole situation, only i couldn’t have put it into words
i did read the whole thing, and its just amazing <3
i agree entirely!

Milkfruit November 6, 2012, 9:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #232413

buh. look at how sad Mike looks! I’d be afraid of lucy too. I had a creepy stalkerish boyfriend-wannabe in preschool/1st grade as well, and he was an abusive dunkass like lucy was. He was a kid, and I was a kid, but it was 100% not ok and horrifying.

I’d be afraid of him returning to terrorize me after a period of sweet, sweet creep respite too, Mike.

synthyK November 6, 2012, 10:10 AM EST.

Comment ID #232414

Panel 4: You can see that Lucy is experiencing love at the first sight.

Waldo November 6, 2012, 12:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #232416

@ Suitcase
Actually, I always look at what the page says before I post. That was why I didn’t comment last page, because I had nothing to say. Also, even if I did that, I would still be bothered as I tend to think of something new to say every once and a while b

Nikita November 6, 2012, 1:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #232417

seriously?? SERIOUSLY?!!! ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS???!!!! Furious Abbey MY GOD I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST A BITCH BUT NOW I SEE YOU ARE JUST MEAN!! I MEAN YOU ACTUALLY WERE MEAN EVEN TO DOLLS?! :nope: LUCY FOR CHRIST SAKE HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE WORD KINDNESS?! MIKE DID AND HE GOT SICK OF BEING THE ONLY ONE IN YOUR FRIENDSHIP TO SHOW IT!! OK YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THAT MIKE IS AN *** BUT LUCY IS JUST AN EVIL COLD BITCH!!! Mad Lucy

bankai November 6, 2012, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #232418

Ahh… good ol’ hypocrisy… :smirk:

EmberSong November 6, 2012, 2:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #232419

@bankai : I don’t know if it was meant as I saw it, but it might have been that Lucy was rough with dolls because of her tomboy nature. She would’ve hung out with boys who like action figures perhaps, but as shown in the next panel, boys at that age think girls have cooties and are icky.

However that’s how I read it. Others interpret it differently..just thought I’d add some insight. :)

SarcasticNinja November 6, 2012, 2:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #232420

@bankai

Go back and read the story. She sat on the doll and tried to play with a taxi and the other girls yelled at her for wanting to play with a car and saying dolls were stupid. That’s not mean, that’s normal.

Also if you bothered to read the story you would know she is loving and kind with her pets, who adore and love her more than anything. Chirpy and Yashy both love Lucy and she loves them and would risk her life to save them if they were in trouble. Just like she risked her life and possibly being RAPED to save Mike. If you don’t think that is kindness or caring then obviously she would need to die or something for them for you to finally see it.

GracefulSerenity November 6, 2012, 3:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #232421

@Starling: Sorry :( I didn’t mean to to sound bitey I just meant that currently Mike is not having a good time with Lucy. I also didn’t mention anything about Mike refusing to protest because it is clear that he doesn’t know how to respond to her actions, he doesn’t want to be rude(he’ll learn that soon enough) and we both know boys shouldn’t hit girls. How would you respond to someone acting like this to you? :question: I know I wouldn’t respond well to getting shoved(I would only use my fists as a last resort though) Did you read the wall of text left by Oh No it is a good read and has some good points. Also if this sounds bitey to you I’d like to apologize in advance. Sorry :(

supertails19 November 6, 2012, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #232422

Ok when did Lucy stopped being tsundere, became a total bitch? Any kind of discussion is pointless now, since every new retcons give people even more reasons to hate this character. Seriously, when we were shown that she was a little more than rough towards Mike, it was plausible. But now we see she was this comic equivalent of Damien Thorne. Now this is just silly. What’s next? Shocking revelation that she intentionally caused World War II, as a toddler?

Commander_Zero November 6, 2012, 6:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #232423

@bankai

Yikes… Politely I’d like to say many different people take this page in different context… truthfully though there’s really no need for any rage… it’s just a comic, please settle down ^^
If it makes you feel better, yes she is saying it meanly but you need to take into account Mike just ditched her after being with his hoard of fangirls. She was sad after he left and she’s now more than likely trying to justify to herself why she shouldn’t love Mike. Trying to find some memory as to why he’s an “idiot” or a “jerk” but can’t find one.
This is like a situation where you have an argument and you fume on why someone is wrong or why you’re in the right. This is just one of those situations from what it appears.

Mightyena November 6, 2012, 7:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #232424

@Commander_zero,
next on BCB, secret photos of lucy’s trip back in time and hanging out with hitler, lol.

strider November 6, 2012, 8:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #232425

I think you all can clearly see that Lucy puts up a wall in front of her. Each time she expressed an opinion in the text box, the picture shows almost the complete opposite. She isn’t JUST a huge bitch. When the characters have a history behind them, it’s hard to label them. I get really sad when y’all label them as “bitch” or “dick” or “stupid”.
Also, I don’t believe there’s anything that is right or wrong between how Mike and Lucy turned out with each other. Every feeling they have, the decision they make, it’s something to grow from. They’re still learning. Sure, they could have done this or done that, but what’s done is done. There is no repeats in life, only chances to make it more bearable to live in.
I don’t know, this is my two cents in this. #^_^#

JamieMoonbeams November 6, 2012, 8:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #232426

I wish Mike and Lucy would just stop the flame war they caused and just make up and “Start Over.” (see what I did there? ;D) JK! Seriously though, I think both Mike and Lucy’s actions led to this current mess of a situation. The constant comment wars among the “Mike and Lucy Haters.” MIKE YOU A***HOLE!!! LUCY YOU B****!!! Jeez!That’s all I see! You shouldn’t hate on either of them! They’re just a couple of kids people! KIDS!!! It’s all part of growing up, you make mistakes and you learn from them. (However if they decide to grow up and learn from them is completely up to the author) Lucy called Mike names and hit him, while Mike took the abuse and later on blew up on Lucy. Clearly both protagonists have social or emotional issues they need to work out; however if that happened there wouldn’t be much of a story would there! ^^ Coming from someone else who was in a complicated relationship, I can relate with Michael and my close friend can definitely relate to Lucy. I guess that’s why I’m drawn to this awesome series. Mike needs to Learn to stand up for himself and Lucy needs to learn to be more Independent and open. You can feel free to disagree with me, but hey I’m just tellin’ like it is. ;D

I tell it like it is November 6, 2012, 8:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #232515

I agree with Guest D all the way!

Starkeyblade November 7, 2012, 10:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #232534

Panel 1 and 3 are Mike. Mike hasn’t changed since two years before first grade.
I consider this the cause of all his problems. Lucy of course is responsible for her own.

StraightFace November 8, 2012, 7:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #232635

Ooh yeah Lucy you’re right, Mike was such a moron. He should have rejected you rudely like everyone else! So he wouldn’t have to deal with your stupid **** over all this years

Effie November 10, 2012, 11:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #236138

I love her reaction to him offering to play with her. She looks so adorable with that pouty embarrassed look on her face! :3

I'll Eat Yourself January 8, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #242286

Dat baseball cap.

Patrick April 3, 2013, 4:44 AM EST.

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