Story Summary: Starting Over, page posted 11/14/12

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Veronica’s Commentary

Traumatic.

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Comment ID #232754

Let him die! Also, we all know this, you know this, Mike knows this and even Yashy knows this. Why are you telling us that. And Lucy, even then you did have to save him. Whether you knew it or not, you loved him and you had to. Also, he was a security blanket and little girls always cry when their blanket is lost.
Oh, and finally, who the hell can’t swim? I mean Mike fell in, but why the hell can’t she swim.

Nikita November 14, 2012, 12:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #232756

okay where is this going

man November 14, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #232757

Yes you did Lucy. You did have to save him. Because despite your flaws and insecurities, you really do care for your friends. And we love you for it.

Frodomann1 November 14, 2012, 12:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #232758

I don’t know but I like it. >:D

Not a woman November 14, 2012, 12:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #232759

Guess there head over heals for echother, lol…to soon

lov/hate/hurt November 14, 2012, 12:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #232760

Actually if I recall you can be held culpable for just watching someone drown.

Don’t quote me on that though.

QuakeIV November 14, 2012, 12:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #232761

Poor Lucy..

Diane November 14, 2012, 12:07 AM EST.

Comment ID #232762

Predictable.

Also; didn’t she knock him into the river?

Rupert November 14, 2012, 12:09 AM EST.

Comment ID #232763

Why do you keep looking for excuses for being nice and careing? I mean do you actually like being a bitch? You wanna know what happened? you just kept being so aggresive and mean towards one of the only ones that actually cared sincerly for you and he got sick and tired of it; but NOW it’s all his fault right?

bankai November 14, 2012, 12:12 AM EST.

Comment ID #232764

@rupert no that was all him, the dude bashed his head,and fell when haveing a race with paulo

ray November 14, 2012, 12:18 AM EST.

Comment ID #232765

I wanna know where is this gonna lead to :P

Yukianes4 November 14, 2012, 12:19 AM EST.

Comment ID #232766

Omg!!! I just wanna know whats gonna happen already… Is Lucy going to keep her promise about mike?? (by keeping away from him) because he made a promise to protect Lucy… o_O and will Mike go back to her instead of Sandy?? (i really hope so xD) Mad Lucy :/ ;)

Iti November 14, 2012, 12:29 AM EST.

Comment ID #232767

I always liked this part in the BCB saga, don’t know why… just seems so accidental and innocent (‘cause it was)

meh, whatever this is great, should be an interesting conclusion…

foreveryoung5 November 14, 2012, 12:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #232768

Something always bugged me about this if Lucy couldn’t swim why did she jump in right away instead of asking someone else that could swim to save Mike? :question: Asking for help could have prevented her phobia of water… i’ll just chalk it up to her trust issues and her not knowing if the others can swim. Poor communication skills still messing up her life :(.

@Nikita: You know some people don’t know how to swim as adults, right? Also she is in 3rd grade not alot of schools have swimming classes before high school(that I know of) and also cats hate water so I guess her cat side wins here. I currently don’t know how to swim and that didn’t stop me from going neck deep in water before.

supertails19 November 14, 2012, 12:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #232769

Taking a dive for your girl… Literally taking a dive for your girl! 8-D

Lo November 14, 2012, 12:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #232770

Clearly Lucy is a manipulative parasite who is only using Michael for the sake of a crutch.
…. clearly.





( that was sarcasm, just in case you didn’t catch it. Lucy obviously CARES. )


@bankai
She was provoked into shutting down as a defense mechanism, ease off. It’s not like she was trying to be mean or enjoyed it.

anon November 14, 2012, 12:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #232771

First time ever commenting but in the area i live in none of the schools have swimming classes and i know quite a few people that can’t swim even though there all over 20.

Anju November 14, 2012, 12:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #232772

I’m gonna recap what happened before this:

Michael and Paulo were having a race by jumping from tree to tree. At one point, when Michael was jumping to a tree, he spots a bird’s nest. He tried to stop himself, but ended up hitting the tree, and falling in the water. I’m guessing during this time, he didn’t know how to swim, and it was this same time period that Lucy had a crush on Paulo before he became a man *****.

But yeah, poor Lucy for trying to psyche herself out of hating him when it’s the complete opposite, and now the character roles seems to have somehow switched. The emo becomes the jerk (Michael), and the bitch becomes the dependent (Lucy). I’m really curious to how it will continue after this intermission.

Dudeler November 14, 2012, 12:57 AM EST.

Comment ID #232773

Wow, this could potentially explain Lucy’s paranoia about water. Caring for Mike as much as she does (internally, of course; externally she appears very collected) and seeing him almost drown like that must’ve been a shocking experience for her.
Also, Lucy isn’t a “bitch”. She’s just a very sensitive person who conceals her true feelings, which in turn makes her even more sensitive to and about things. Being so sensitive (especially in high school, where the children prey upon the sensitive) can be a risk and an intuitive way to defend such sensitivity is to appear “numb” or aggressive.
She cares for people, but she needs a good reason or clear sign to openly express those feelings (due to what I assume to be bad trust experiences and a general existence of seclusion from social activities/groups, she is quick to shell up what I believe are very colorful feelings).
People don’t turn “cold” for no reason; usually something has occurred, often repeatedly in their life that causes them to behave “coldly”. It’s a form of coping, maybe not the most socially acceptable way, but it’s a solution and for someone like Lucy that’s often reason enough.
I am really digging this internal monolog Lucy is presenting through the recent pages of this chapter. It shows the depth within her and the thoughts that go through her mind constantly that she rarely, if ever expresses outwardly.

Blank On Purpose November 14, 2012, 12:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #232774

You know sometimes I just get the fealing, and I’m not saying that she is, but sometimes I think that sandy might be secretly evil

lav/hate/hurt November 14, 2012, 1:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #232776

@BlankOnPurpose
Thank-you voice of common-sense and reason. >< <3 <3

anon November 14, 2012, 1:07 AM EST.

Comment ID #232777

So.
Lets get this straight.
“I didn’t have to jump in a river to help you and not have you drown.”
Also:
“I am your friend.”
Those two don’t go together. If you’re someone’s friend, you stick by them and help them. You don’t get to act all high and mighty because you pulled your friend out of a river. You get to rub it in his face and call him Drowny McDrownDrown, but don’t act so superior.
Curtisimo - performs standup with empty chairs
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Curtisimo November 14, 2012, 1:09 AM EST.

Comment ID #232778

Fact is though lucy you still threw cotion to the wend and jumped after him, so that throws your logic out the wendow

juno November 14, 2012, 1:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #232781

Because I don’t get sucked into the drama and it’s 1:50am, didn’t Mike fall in because he saved Lucy who also fell? I remember this specifically because when they went to find him she was all wide-eye panicky and clinging to Paulo like if she let go the world was going to implode. Or is this not on the Island Vacation arc?

kdebones November 14, 2012, 1:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #232782

After reading this comic I have come to the conclusion Lucy is most definitely a Psychopath….Serious issues.

Marik November 14, 2012, 1:57 AM EST.

Comment ID #232783

@ Supertails
They only look like cats, other then that, they are just normal people. Also, there’s nothing that says you can’t learn to swim outside of school. For example, I could swim rather well (with floaters, of course) before I could speak. And if a baby can swim, there is no reason why you or Lucy should not be able to swim.
Also, I feel this quote aptly reflects the situation, “When I was younger, my brothers decided it was time for me to learn how to swim. So they threw me in the deep end of a pool. It took me a little while, but I eventually got the hang of it.”

@ Blank_on_Purpose
A wee bit behind, aren’t we now? (The Mike drowning part, that is. The rest is legitimate.)

Nikita November 14, 2012, 2:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #232784

Truth is, yeah, she didn’t have to save him. The fact? She did and has done a lot of things. The point is that Mike has said that he isn’t her friend and that she just uses him but you know what? Fake friends or users wouldn’t rick their own life for someone they “didn’t care about.”
So, yeah, she didn’t HAVE to almost drown trying to save him, thus having a phobia. She didn’t HAVE to get herself bloody beat up and almost raped for protecting him and her friends. She didn’t have to go through any of that **** for a “security blanker”. Point was and is, she did and WANTED to do save him. Cause she does care and Mike doesn’t get that.

Sobbing her eye’s out and clinging to someone for comfort isn’t a sign of her world being shattered at losing him? How does he think people deal with other loved ones? That they don’t crack open with emotions and don’t need comfort? I wonder how much she blames herself at Mike nearly dieing. Possibly hating a part of herself for being so scared of water?

Whats sad? Mike doesn’t have to do a lot of things for Lucy either but he doesn’t see it as caring for her. He see’s it as a chore. Makes me wonder how he’ll start seeing Sandy when she need’s someone to depend on. Will he start feeling like she’s a chore? Something he HAS to do instead of wanting to do it? Start thinking and saying that Sandy doesn’t actually care for him but just wants to use him?

Era November 14, 2012, 2:27 AM EST.

Comment ID #232785

“I didn’t have to do it”
That’s a load of bull Lucy.

wr3h November 14, 2012, 3:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #232786

where’s David’s girlfriend ?

repsol November 14, 2012, 3:14 AM EST.

Comment ID #232787

@Curtisimo
Remember, that she’s bitter. People tend to use stuff they did out of good will as an argument, when really sad and angry.

@Era
This. Also most of mentioned situations were caused by our golden perfect boy Mike. Who did get in contact with goons in that bar? Who tried to show off and compete with Paulo? But yeah, Lucy is the bitch here. Since after all those sellfish action she won’t let Mike push her aside. What a huge bitch, she is.

Commander_Zero November 14, 2012, 3:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #232788

She has a point. Both she and Mike have skewed perceptions on who owes who for what, but seriously. Mike is being a ******* for saying she tormented him for years, hitting him and whatnot. To that you can respond by MAKING HER GO AWAY. Obviously it didn’t bother him, he’s just looking for excuses. And now, so is Lucy.

Dragnite November 14, 2012, 3:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #232789

You didn’t have to, but you wanted to…
And that’s why your right Lucy…
He is an idiot…
For not seeing the you that’s always been there…
The you who’s always cared…

AlphaMoon November 14, 2012, 3:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #232790

@BlackOnPurpose
That, is the perfect explanation. So much noobs are failing to understand that.

MECHEN DER KRIEGTÖRTILLEM November 14, 2012, 3:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #232791

@Kdebones you are waaayy off

ryu November 14, 2012, 4:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #232792

Wait I’m caught up? Nooooooooooooooooo

sadface November 14, 2012, 4:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #232793

Are you kidding me? We learn how to swim in the 2nd grade.

Johnny November 14, 2012, 4:42 AM EST.

Comment ID #232794

I understand Lucy’s pain when it comes to water, I’m 18 and still can’t swim. I used to love water as a kid, my mum even paid for swimming lessons but for some reason my body was just unable to learn which lead to some not so good situations. I’m now frightened of deep water, i’m so jealous of people when ever I see them having fun swimming… ;-;

Skitcy November 14, 2012, 5:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #232795

Wow this makes her sound like a cold hearted bitch.

Fluffy November 14, 2012, 6:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #232796

This really bothers me… it’s just so overly dramatic; I mean Mike even falls over a waterfall. Was that really necessary? But anyways, ignoring the overly dramatic and clicheness of this incident, I think it would be interesting to see a chapter that explains why Lucy is the way she is. I mean her personality, ‘cause I definitely agree that people usually aren’t “emotionless bitches” for no reason. What happened in her childhood before Mike ever came into the picture? Did living with two over-protective brothers somehow do this? Was she bullied by neighborhood kids? Does it have something to do with her father? (Now that I actually think about it, are Lucy’s parents still together? I don’t remember if I ever saw her father in the comic.) Or to be dramatic, was she sexually abused by a family member and the trauma caused her to suppressed the memory, but she still subconsciously remembers it, which is why she’s so defensive?

QuakeIV:
It depends on the place. Different countries tend to have different laws in that regard. And even in cases where you are required to help you’re only required to CALL for help, since you could possibly be putting yourself in danger or putting the other person in greater danger by personally getting involved.

Lunacy November 14, 2012, 6:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #232797

and in return he jumped of a clif and managed to superhero like throw lucy back into the bridge as he plumeted a distance that would have killed most people into a stream full of rocks.
also at that time you were forcing him to hide his relationship from yashy and remplaced him with another security blanket by the time he was found and then went back to him.

Nice art , she is kind os self obseced but thats good in a retrospective , and fits the chacter

DrackeStalenTorgen November 14, 2012, 6:55 AM EST.

Comment ID #232798

I’m actually curious to know about Lucy’s bitchiness before kindgarden. She needed her head checked since earlier apparently. Well, she is talented to make self-excuses. That’s one thing she shares with Mike.

Knux-the-Killer November 14, 2012, 6:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #232799

Lucy didn’t have to save him but the caring,nice,loving lucy inside of her didn’t have a choice :smirk:.

Blue fox November 14, 2012, 8:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #232800

I really hope some people aren’t just getting all of this about Lucy now. This was all very clearly outlined before. Lucy displays all the symptoms of someone who is emotionally damaged, not a sadistic sociopath. Maybe if Mike had taken her aside and explained how she was treating him was hurting him, she would of made an effort to control herself, but as far as we know he didn’t, he simply blew up at her one day. That’s not very reasonable, because from her point of view she either a) hadn’t been doing anything wrong or b) was vaguely aware she might of been a bit harsh, but didn’t know how to/have the incentive to fix it. A request from someone you care about does a lot to solve that. The only thing we have seen addressed was Lucy’s reluctance to get in a relationship with Mike during the period of time Sandy was not available, and can you blame her hesitance? She probably thought that was the ONLY reason — Sandy isn’t available, she can be the second banana. Her abandonment issues would make her afraid Mike would leave her the moment Sandy did show up. That’s not a situation that’s easy to deal with.

Lumi November 14, 2012, 8:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #232801

Eep~ Lucy is gonna breakdown soon… (Not that she isn’t already but…) I feel sorry for her… But… :unsure: :(

Wolven November 14, 2012, 8:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #232802

Wow. I totally forgot about that. She did technically save his life there. She went in after him, which kinda got Paulo’s attention, and they were both saved, so she did save him… Wow Mike. Way to be an *******. SHE SAVED YOUR ****ING LIFE!

Rylan November 14, 2012, 11:37 AM EST.

Comment ID #232803

BTW, (sorta off topic) is anyone else waiting for a heavy David oriented arc where he becomes a far more complex character aside from comic relief?

Rylan November 14, 2012, 11:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #232804

I really hate Sandy… :I But Lucy was my favourite character all along! Actually, i don’t really hate Sandy. I just really really really really reaaallyyy dislike her.

Devnull November 14, 2012, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #232805

Please teashi create someone to make lucy stable. I don’t want this serries to end in suicide

JustSomeCritic November 14, 2012, 1:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #232806

@rylan to be honest a little, he’s alredy complex but what main character has noo dark back story or a love intrest, ya there was the flower girl and the girl who had that obsession with him, but what happen to them

lov/hate/hurt November 14, 2012, 1:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #232807

“I didn’t have to do it Mad Lucy ” Yes Lucy, you did. Don’t tell me that Lucy would just stand by and let someone- anyone, drown. Just because he ignored her for a year doesn’t mean she should just watch him die :/ She’s not that kind of person… cat…? (who is really, who just stands by while someone drowns?)

That One Kid November 14, 2012, 3:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #232808

I would like to say she is right and she didn’t “have” to and she did because she wanted to. But I really don’t know. I hope it was because she liked him not needed him.

Someone November 14, 2012, 5:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #232809

OMG

I think i know where this is going and if it is I am mad at him now.

Bunny November 14, 2012, 5:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #232810

Oh hey, Luce is indirectly admitting she WANTS to be independent, but knows she’s incapable of that and is forced to rely on Mike.
Also admitting her hardcore crush on him at the same time.
Just a shame that even the person she’s closest to couldn’t see through her facade and help her, but later on instead decided to stab her in the back, rub salt in the wound and then left her to bleed (metaphorically, obviously).

things November 14, 2012, 7:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #232811

@Lunacy
I thought it was already explained why she is how she is;
she was too tomboyish for the girls and the boys didn’t want to play with a girl, so she was friendless. The personality would have developed as a guard against not being wanted by any of her peers. Not enough for a “emotionless bitch” maybe, but Lucy isn’t emotionless. She’s just blunt with security issues.
But maybe I’m wrong idk man.

I feel like all the “violence” was a product of the comic going from a joke to srs bsns, and so it can’t really be explained within the context of the story. Every time Lucy punted someone through the ceiling, it was for lols, not because Lucy is actually a super duper ninja sadist, but as BCB grew more and more serious, it couldn’t just be disregarded and of course fit into all the plotness. Not to say its accidental or convenient or whatever.
Sorry if I’m not being articulate enough here. |:

theoktony November 14, 2012, 7:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #232812

:u everything up till now was to be an expected result of Lucy’s actions. Mike did not hurt anyone he didn’t intend to hurt. Since mike himself probably felt manipulated and such by Lucy though her advantage of certain situations, its understandable on what he did. This is Lucy’s issue and she was the cause of it. Mike was only forcefully involved into it. Besides, Lucy’s doing the exact same thing to her friends like mike was doing to her when he was after Sammy. There should be no hate for mike, only disappointment with the events and how they were played out.

Leebeeble November 14, 2012, 8:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #232813

@Leebeeble
Uh huh.

And how can taking it all out at once, when said problematic person is actually trying to be genuinely nice for once, and then further emphasize it for good measure and then aim for afromented persons soft spots all at once be excused?

Not saying Lucy is innocent, but doing the equivalent of disarming a 1 megaton bomb with a sledgehammer is pretty damn retarded no matter how you twist and turn it.

id10t November 14, 2012, 8:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #232814

This make me feel bad for Lucy. I really like Lucy, and well I can understand what’s going on with her
-She automatically/subconsciously does thing that will ultimately push people away because she is already terrified that they’re going to leave anyways
-She has a hard time showing what’s she’s really feeling because she thinks no one will listen/no one has listened in the past.
Poor gal.
I’m not saying that what she has done was right, just posting a pov

Rioo November 14, 2012, 9:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #232815

Lucy could use some waterwings now that I think of it.

MagicMan November 14, 2012, 11:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #232816

Why do I get the feeling she was becoming more independent(this is proof) but when everyone favorite chapter(December) comes along, Mike completely shatters that.
I remember a motivational speaker asked us who is the best dancer, a few people stood up(this was at my college). He said when he has kindergartens this question all of them stood up. He said that we let others options define us.

So Lucy who isn’t you know very strong emotionally or mentally, could be easily persuaded by her “hero” into thinking she is whatever he says.

I am honestly kind of sick of this “Mike doesn’t deserve hate” bull ****! That is your F**KING friend, who is thinks the world of you and you just F**KEN cut her down! I am not saying he has to dump Sandy and lover her, he doesn’t have to be her best friend, or even LIKE HER. BUT for F**KS sake don’t destroy someone’s life and make them feel that way.
Reread “December” it is hard to read, I don’t care if you Hate Lucy. ANSWER me this DOES SHE DESERVE IT?

What she did in the past in the past. I have been around middle school kids who are FAR worse than Lucy EVER was, so please give me a break.

I read somewhere in the Comments about how he said nothing to Lucy I think this may be why:

[“You’re a parasite” Chapter 68 page 30. Oh Mike it is quite funny you say that. Why? I think somebody *cough* Mike *cough* needs to look in the mirror. A parasite feeds on its host correct? Other works feeds on its host misery right? Mike is “Mr. Nice Guy”, “Captain Awesome”, “Paulo is jealous”, and “the ****”. Why because he takes care of wittle olde Lucy, how sweet of him :D. But does he help her? Why would he? If he keeps her miserable and takes care of her than he is you know the Mike we know and love right?. If he helps her become better for a month or two he will be the HERO, but after that he is just Mike. You see where I am going with this? He was right when he said “You’re a parasite” but he said it to the wrong person.]
I would like to add since he puts up with her behavior, he can say “you don’t know her” and everyone goes awwwww how sweet <3! Take some name calling and punches/kicks here and there to make you every girl like you while just put up with Lucy. If he told her that she was hurting him he probably would have stopped and maybe a certain somali or some other guy might end up hooking up with Lucy and who is Nice guy Mike suppose to be nice to that has issues?

Someone November 14, 2012, 11:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #232818

@Nikita: I always thought they were more like teenagers with cat attributes(cattributes :smirk:) Mike has his sensitive hearing and his love of fish, Paulo has his amazing climbing skill and he can be somewhat lazy, David pretty much stalks his flower girl and he is definitely random, Daisy is curly and she is growing up to be “bulky” (which I am perfectly fine with), and Lucy who is deaf in her left ear and I always assumed that her hydrophobia(fear of water) had something to do with her fear of seeing Michael drown or possibly just another cat attribute.

I’m not a genius so don’t think i’m always right I can make mistakes and nobody is perfect, but i’m not completely clueless I have a reason for saying the things I say. For example, when I said “I don’t know how to swim” that was to let you know that there are people that didn’t learn how to swim at a young age like you did there is more than one side to every conversation(unless your talking to yourself when you think someone is listening but they really have headphones on). I only mentioned the cat attributes of what I consider the main cast because I didn’t want to have a super long message like I did yesterday. Also Nikita not every parent has the time or need to bring their kid to a pool and give them swimming lesson some have to deal with other more urgent matters. Just a little side note I really hope you were kidding with that quote o.o that does not sound very brotherly… well actually that makes sense my sister enjoys finding new ways to torment me so that actually seems possible. Now i’m wonder if Sandy has any siblings hmm, oh well I’ll find out later right now it is bed time so good night Nikita and anybody else who got this far.

supertails19 November 14, 2012, 11:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #232819

Alright, just a note.

Are most of you people forgetting that this chapter is taking place before Lucy and Mike had their falling out? Everyone’s talking about how she’s going to blame Mike for doing blah blah blah, but if you noticed or even tried to pay attention. This chapter has no connection to “December” this is showing what happened way before that chapter.

Hell in this section of the story Lucy and Mike don’t even know their about to have their falling out yet. So pay attention to that and give all the negative comments a break.

God getting mad about something in a chapter where it hasn’t even happened yet. SMDH :/

KittyKattRawr November 15, 2012, 12:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #232821

Well, the reason she jumped in the water was ‘cause no one else there did. They were all just panicking and no one jumped in so she did even though she couldn’t swim, she almost drowned but Paolo jumped in and saved them both. Lucy did NOT knock him in, he was having a stupid race with Paolo and stopped short to avoid hitting a bird’s nest, hit his head and fell in the river. So considering she almost drowned, almost lost Mike in that incident, she has major issues when it comes to bodies of water (i.e pools, rivers, etc.) She also got in a major fight, beaten and almost raped to stop bullies from hurting Mike and her friends. She’ll do anything to protect her friends but she’s just defensive among them all except to her pets. I’ve already gone over why I think she’s defensive in an older post so I won’t type it again.
Lucy and Mike did get along pretty well, at the start of the comic I recall they had fun joking around and playing console games.
The memory lane reflection that Lucy is going through now, is what I think, is her way of trying to stop the pain of being rejected and trying to not let it bother her too much. She’s not perfect, but I can understand how what she’s been through has made her who she is now.
I don’t blame Mike for not helping where he could of instead of just being “eh that’s just Lucy”: after all, he’s a kid too, there’s no one to give helpful advice to them on how to best handle difficult situations that have arisen.

Niviae November 15, 2012, 2:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #232822

:question:Um… Debate Debate Debate? I wanna fit i nhere but what do I dooo… I can’t take one persons side because Lucy isn’t a bitch and Mike isn’t a jerk

Orangepower123 November 15, 2012, 5:07 AM EST.

Comment ID #232823

I wonder what would have happened if…
… Lucy didn’t jump into the water for some reason - just tried to run after Mike, looking for an easy point in the river to save him from…
… Someone else saved Mike before Lucy could get to him…
… That waterfall didn’t happen…

Less heartache, more regret, more guilt, probably a different love interest, and a gigantic blow to artistic license. For starters.

Or maybe no Mike.

budPuppy November 15, 2012, 5:59 AM EST.

Comment ID #232824

Every time I read this page I hear Lucy saying in a hillbilly voice:

” Almost died ya did. Knocked yourself in to a river ya did. Didn’t have to save ya, but I did.”

Marik November 15, 2012, 6:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #232826

Quite a few people who argue on this site often live very much in the current page and completely disregard anything else that’s happened prior.
They also seem to forget what they themselves have tried to advocate, previously.

Way to cheer only for the team currently in the lead, if you know what I mean.
Just a general observation, not related to the ongoing discussion..

Starling November 15, 2012, 7:47 AM EST.

Comment ID #232827

@KittyKatRawr I’d like to hope that everyone is aware this takes place before December, but these are the events that lead up to what occurred in that chapter, so it only makes sense to also discuss the end result based off what we’re being shown here. In my opinion this particular section showing us Lucy’s point of view is only reinforcing what we could of deduced by simply paying attention to the story, but sometimes I think some of the readers just jump in and honestly not bother to go back and read the previous chapters. Otherwise they should understand Lucy does have her problems, but she still cares very much for Mike, and has done way more good for him then all else. (Even if she is clingy.)

Lumi November 15, 2012, 9:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #232828

Okay, wait. Now i’m officially confused. One, a couple pages back lucy finds chirpy (i think that’s the name). But wasn’t chirpy the reason mike messed himself up during the race. He ended up slamming into the tree to avoid hitting some bird (possibly chirpy, but not sure if it was though). Second, She didn’t save mike, Paulo had to save both of them after lucy almost got her fool self killed (and before someone gets butt hurt, there’s a fine line between being brave and being a fool, Lucy jumping in when she knew she couldn’t swim was foolish). So is this going to change one of Paulo’s redemption moments? That he didn’t save them? Also is this going to take out her water phobia? It was her nearly drowning that caused her to become a water phobe.

strider November 15, 2012, 9:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #232830

@theoktony,
Yeah, the retcon is where all the problems started. It’s a double edge sword, it did give a more serious repercussion for the earlier chapters. But it also cast Lucy in a bad light. I think this chapter is supposed to try to balance that issue, to try and make her sympathetic again.

Personally (and this entirely a personal opinion Taeshi and Suitcase, nothing against the decision you took) I would’ve avoided a retcon, made the december chapter without those elements and played the cards as they’ve been dealt thus far. Retcons are a pain in the rear and really hard to pull off since doing one knocks the status quo at a whack and you have to do massive counter balancing to fix changes to characters. In this case Mike basically became a fallen saint and lucy came out looking a lot more abusive than what we had assumed her to be. It didn’t help that we had a chapter where an abusive relationship got someone killed shortly after.

strider November 15, 2012, 10:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #232831

Wait, what has been retconned?

SuitCase November 15, 2012, 11:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #232832

this chapter is the essence of bitter sweet in my opinion

Iris November 15, 2012, 1:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #232835

I don’t think he fell over a waterfall the first time he drowned Mad Lucy

Pepe Le Pew November 15, 2012, 4:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #232836

Sheesh Taeshi, you’re gonna have to make your comic more entertaining soon, your readers are starting up more drama than in the comic! Nah, I only kid :)

Anyways, in all serious, I love how you keep things suspenseful :) Keep up the amazing work, Taeshi!

Gabria93 November 15, 2012, 5:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #232837

That’s funny, just as I was about to comment on this, I saw this at the bottom of the page:

http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c44/p10.html

That saved me the trouble of typing up a long-winded first paragraph, so here’s the short, sweet second part.

People seem to be forgetting that both Lucy and Michael have contributed greatly to their friendship. That said, they’re both responsible for destroying said friendship through a series of miscommunications and stupid mistakes from both parties. It’s not just Mike, and it’s not just Lucy. You can try to twist the logic any way you want so that the blame shifts mostly (if not entirely) to one or the other, but the proof is right there in the archives. Familiarize yourself with it.

EDIT: Also, I’d like to point out that, in the end, Lucy didn’t really do much to save Mike’s life here. It was Paulo.

Ziggy November 15, 2012, 7:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #232838

@suitcase,
I don’t know if it was intentional or not, but in december when there was the phone conversation flashbacks, there was an added factor of physical repercussions to lucy’s beating up on mike. This changed the assumption that lucy beating the holy hell out of mike had stopped following cartoon laws (i.e. a character can shrug off a brutal assault and fix it with just a band aid afterwards) and started applying real world laws. It could be carried back to the earlier chapters and put in a sideview that every time mike got beat up he had another set of bruises and cuts to deal with. Like i said i don’t know if it was intentional, but that is basically what those flashbacks in december did.

strider November 15, 2012, 10:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #232885

mike is such a jurk. :Ohere i though lucy did noting for him but when i look buck and saw that she was actually the one there for him. he needed her not she him. jurk Mad Lucy

Robyn November 16, 2012, 4:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #232891

@strider
So THAT’s the retcon?! I completely missed it. Reading December became something like taking down bitter medicine, so I glossed over the details…
And here I was, waiting for the big reveal. Well, that takes a load off my mind.
So now the problem is:
If the tone of their interaction was always serious and that phone call wan’t a retcon,
Or it was, and now everyone’s suffering from a huge Mood whiplash.
Because it’s not fun being told something you laugh about is bad, and you should feel bad. Need to think on this, I could be wrong
Thanks for adding logic to it, strider.

Never here November 16, 2012, 5:22 AM EST.

Comment ID #232918

Thanks to Strider for hammering on the head of the annoying nail.
The “December” chapter was confusing as hell and messed up with the timeline badly.
It’s severely lacking damage control and tweaks of other past events so it actually adds up.
Right now it’s just a mess, pure & simple.

kell November 16, 2012, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #233250

You guys take this so seriously XD

TheLaughingBangaa November 23, 2012, 4:37 PM EST.

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