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Man Jasmine just smacked all those insecurity buttons with a sledgehammer, huh.
Oh jeeze. You gotta wonder if she’s being completely honest, or if she’s saying that out of spite. Even though it may be harsh, it’s something he needs to hear, everyone needs to do a little growing up.
Verndari August 2, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
thompson De' Medici August 2, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Man, I smell a fight brewing!
T68 August 2, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
AcridRogue August 2, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Daaaamn, ouch. where’s that shattered face now?
Amber August 2, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Googlegwnsocial August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Ouch bet that hurt.
TheGentleman August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
kami August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
lmfao i just went thru this i think the same as her -_-
Madi_mew101 August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Rafe August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Julia KaNeko August 2, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Ouch. That was probably the least expected thing I thought Jasmine would say. Poor Paulo, one thing after another. Or as one could say, a series of unfortunate events.
Literal Thinker August 2, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.
A high schooler being immature? Stop the presses.
Shiloh August 2, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.
Yes and no, methinks. Paulo is sort of a paradoxical mess of irresponsibility and sensibility. He’s done a lot of commendable things, but also fudged them up almost as much.
bjk August 2, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.
I know it was unintentional on Jasmine’s part…she was just being honest…but JEEZ. Someone get some burn lotion for Paulo, there! He’ll have to BATHE in the stuff for DAYS.
Still, it could’ve been worse…it could’ve gone like December, with her ruthlessly tearing Paulo apart, instead of her actually pretty calm way of doing it. The way it happened here, she just told him what’s what, then left. So hey, good on her.
Oceanus92 August 2, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.
That hurt a lot, but it is true that Paulo is or was immature and needed to grow into a mature person. Well at least she felt better about the break up and felt that it wouldn’t be a suitable relationship for the both of them. Still, that felt a little more direct than anticipated.
Keyblade Dragon August 2, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.
Well this is an interesting change of pace from the rest of this chapter.
Chrisd765 August 2, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.
poor Paulo first he goes on vacation only to come back and find his crush is dating someone else and likes it then he starts falling for some one else while dating a really nice girl now that really nice girl is like you know I don’t rally like you and the other girl he likes is in the hospital and taking advice from some creepy kid.
lovetheromance August 2, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.
Sick burn jazz.
max August 2, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.
Hey, Paulo! Sing us all a song! Sing! SING!!!
Oh, and Jas, good show! Jolly good show!
Lapis August 2, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.
Well…that was uncalled for, dang. paulo has been having a hard time these two chapters, lmao
Sleepingfox August 2, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.
…. but really—- I don’t think there will be a fight, I think Paulo will just get really hurt and depressed and sad and maybe angry at himself…
Poor kid…. he does need to act a little more wisely with females though…
Taking on Jazzie when he had feelings for either Lucy or Tess or both…. “comfort” sleeping with Rachel after he swore up and down that he loved Lucy more than anything and wanted to be fully committed to her…. not to mention that period earlier when he slept with ever female he could get…. I realize that he’s trying to prove something to himself in some of the cases, but all the same these are actual people he’s playing around with for his selfish benefit……. ( which may in some cases be an endless need to feel like he’s helping or taking care of other people. )
wakkawakkawakka August 2, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.
Thats gotta hurt but this may help Paulo out in the long run. Truth is he is immature and if he realises this he may finally gain some confidence in himself.
Blaze August 2, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.
Wow… way to straight up tell him what he needs to hear. He is immature and irresponsible. He is constantly hitting on different women, making them feel like they are objects. I know he doesn’t mean it, but he comes off that way and he needs to grow up to realize how to treat them.
Mark August 2, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.
Yikes. I know he needed to hear it but damn. Well, it would be better to have someone tell you versus have it stab you in teh back many years later.
Suzume August 2, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
So when do we get back to the rightful crucifixion of Mike that began on page 11 but got cut short prematurely at page 13?
This is just beating around the bush with silly & frilly matter.
Besides, Either the rest of the cast would’ve connected the dots already or they’re mentally deficient.
Gaining confidence by being called what you feared the most?
does not compute.
Ostrago August 2, 2013, 1:18 PM EST.
Heaven August 2, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
oy…first hes told to have little confidence and now that hes very immature… she just don’t like being dumped for a better girl. I dunno, I think he got it all for being honest and fair about loving Lucy so he shouldn’t really listen to them that much and maybe storm right into Lucys hospital room and tell her what he feels right away before shes gone for good
Heck! He did for Lucy a lot more than Mike himself even before he became a jerk! Being a fun guy doesn’t make him immature yet
DK3 August 2, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.
jazz is slowly becoming one of my favorite characters that burn was so sick i wouldn’t have thought of it
Pirari August 2, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.
duuuuuuude thats ****ed up im pretty sure it would’ve been told around the gang how much of a wreck he was after lucy left (since most of them saw him screaming at jordan through the door) so she would definitely know that hes suffering bad right now
BUT SHE STILL JUST.
Rachel Peculiar August 2, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
Damn, that must of realy HURT, hey wait didn’t tess say the same thing to him at acapulco, that he was immature.
Oh well best thing to do rite now is to pick up is broken igo and go home
lov/hate/hurt August 2, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.
I was trying to explain at least one (mine) viewpoint of why people were getting huffy about this.
You’re right it wasn’t mutual as everyone seems to think. But was it a break up? yes. Did she give him permission to see others (not that he needed it at that point)? Yes. So should she be getting upset at seeing him with someone else? No. Regardless of whether she still likes him, they are not together anymore, it’s none of her business.
But I know someone’s going to say, oh neket, she’s a girl, she’s permitted to be emotional. While that’s true to a fault, I could understand her first look, but that second one where she’s glaring at him, yeah that was a bit much. Then there’s the whole lording her quitting violin practice over him, again not necessary.
and I’ve seemed to start rambling, so i’ll stop before I end up in my usual rant about double standards (if you want to know my opinion on that go look back in December comments, I was around then, just under a different name. A cookie to whoever can figure out who I am). don’t know how but I get the feeling i’ll end up there again.
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.
I think Paulo might need some ice for that burn
Anon August 2, 2013, 1:38 PM EST.
KELSO August 2, 2013, 1:41 PM EST.
New respect for Jasmine: acquired.
Tyler Feilds. August 2, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.
Well that was unexpected of you Jasmine.
Poor Paulo, ouch.
Anon-Anon August 2, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.
*reads Commander_Zero’s comments of the previous pages*
lol maybe now we will finally see paulo becoming mature!! finallyyyy!!!
also @Thanatos, you have become ridiculous, in the end. only a retarded person would think that paulo was trying to get back with jasmine. if you were (partly) using your brain before, now you aren’t using it at all.
boh... August 2, 2013, 1:47 PM EST.
this is like getting your face continously sliding on asphalt for 3 miles
Lime August 2, 2013, 1:49 PM EST.
Jacob_Fap August 2, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.
Dang. She just shot all those insecurity buttons right on the bulls eye with a .50 cal.
RPG Nerd August 2, 2013, 1:54 PM EST.
Bravo, way to kick him while he’s down Jazz
Some guy August 2, 2013, 1:56 PM EST.
Sanchan August 2, 2013, 2:02 PM EST.
I felt that Paulo deserved that, especially considering how much of a douche he was in the beginning
I mean yeah he changed, but he didn’t really to be honest.
Nice to see that Jazz told him the facts.
wr3h August 2, 2013, 2:03 PM EST.
She speaks the truth, but damn Paulo must feel hurt right now.
asdf August 2, 2013, 2:04 PM EST.
Well now we won’t be seeing Paulo for a while, he’s probably going to go and mope/think about everything all over again. Oh well, it’s nice to see at least one character other then Sue being mature.
Venorik August 2, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.
Stating the truth, but man, she did it in the most blunt and downright brutal way possible.
Nax August 2, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
Huh, I like Jasmine a lot more when she’s not dating Paulo. Turns out she’s a more interesting character than just “love interest of one of the mains”.
Paulo does have some major growing up to do. He’s actually a bit like Daisy; the first bit of attention from the opposite sex and he can’t help but go for it—incidentally, the opposite of Mike. His sleeping with and then flirting with Rachel would be fine if he hadn’t already emotionally dedicated himself to Lucy—and BROKEN UP with his previous girlfriend for Lucy. Sure they weren’t actually together, but Paulo was getting ready to take that step and then he turned to an entirely different girl for comfort. As it is he just can’t seem to commit.
Ket August 2, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
*looks at the comic*
*looks at the comments*
THIS is an interesting dynamic O_O.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 2:13 PM EST.
how so, chocothunda? what’s the interesting dynamic between the comic and the commenters?
(I’ve got a hunch on what, but it could be wrong.)
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 2:19 PM EST.
Jazz is one of the only sane people in the comic.
SaBasse August 2, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.
Ugh! that word. The “I” Word! I’ve always hated when people brazenly throw it out like Jasmine just did. It’s so subjective.
I’ll agree, Paulo has his ‘priorities’ screwed up, but as far as what is considered mature vs immature, I think it’s subjective (let alone culturally based, but individually based, [family upbringing, traditions vs freedom, etc].) Paulo’s got some personal stuff to develop, but I wouldn’t label him purely immature as compared to yourself Jasmine.
BetaMonkey August 2, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.
Oh did he just realized that now?
Knux-the-Killer August 2, 2013, 2:24 PM EST.
Aww c’mon Jazz, I know Paulo can sometimes be a real jerk and he can be hard to deal with sometimes and he says some things that aren’t really nice and he isn’t always the kindest person…where was I going with this again?
The point is, there are a lot of girls that really like him, also the peer pressure he gets from dave isn’t helping either. Paulo isn’t a bad person, he just wants to find someone who he really loves and can be with.
I know it hurts Jazz that you see him with another girl, but what you said really did bring up all of his insecurities.
Just wanted to put out there that Paulo isn’t such a bad guy and that I’m really starting to like him a lot more than I used to.
SIGxMUNDx808 August 2, 2013, 2:24 PM EST.
serves him right. jasmine, accepted him even after knowing he had a one night stand with Jessica and Rachel. she broke up with him for a sincere reason. yet paulo, broke up with her for a girl who only see mike as the center of her world. a girl who can’t see that mike isn’t the only one who care for her.
i like jasmine and paulo as a couple but jasmine was too good for him in my opinion. paulo miss out on a great girl.
kiki August 2, 2013, 2:30 PM EST.
Aaaaaand BAM. Confidence in Jaz is back. Way to tell it like it is girl!
Dudeler August 2, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.
Dat face… (Last panel)!
Mcturtle August 2, 2013, 2:32 PM EST.
yeah.. paulo needs a bad day
kitsu August 2, 2013, 2:38 PM EST.
……There’s a time and a place and that was just rude. *flips Jasmine off*
firstname.lastname@example.org August 2, 2013, 2:39 PM EST.
paulo that burn … was more like a 57 MEGATONS nuclear blast…. good luck with that …. well im sure that with time he will be all right
the lord inquisitor bob August 2, 2013, 2:44 PM EST.
“you’re really immature”
Said Mrs. busy**** who only quit Violin because he would’ve definitely dumped her *** immediately otherwise.
Stroganoff August 2, 2013, 2:46 PM EST.
eagle August 2, 2013, 2:48 PM EST.
Anyone else getting a Scott Pilgrim feel from this page?
bloop August 2, 2013, 2:51 PM EST.
APPLY WARM WATER TO THAT BUURN! (because it has been scientifically proven that warm water on a burn prevents scarring better than cold water) Yup im a nerd all right!
aww, poor Paulo. that really busted his ego!
Astrid555.1 August 2, 2013, 2:55 PM EST.
As harsh as that was, it’s damn true.
Sometimes I wish I was that good at being honest because sometimes thats’ what people need to hear.
And yeah Paulo’s going through a lot right now, but honestly, it’s not like she knows ALL the details.
Point being, I side with both of them…
I do that a lot with this comic, I just side with everyone :I ;;
Mister-Saturn August 2, 2013, 2:56 PM EST.
Looks like Paulo is about to spill something!
Jaime August 2, 2013, 2:59 PM EST.
Do i smell something burning?
Silverope August 2, 2013, 3:00 PM EST.
paulo, you just got owned.
Mewtallica August 2, 2013, 3:01 PM EST.
Quick someone call the 911! Cause Paulo just got seriously burned!
Darklord61992 August 2, 2013, 3:06 PM EST.
oooooh… Apply cold water to the burned area.
The Observer August 2, 2013, 3:08 PM EST.
So, seriously, is this how we drive individuals slowly toward the point of depression an we kill everyone off only to find out Lucy never tried to kill herself?
I mean the next one up should be Abby, then Daisy, then Sue… Slaughter House: BCB Edition?
I sympathize with Paulo, he’s stupid, but not in a malicious way. He makes mistakes, tries to do the right thing, and doesn’t really want to mess other people up.
Silas August 2, 2013, 3:11 PM EST.
- thinks about it for a bit -
She does have a point. He definitely deserved that.
Gabria93 August 2, 2013, 3:14 PM EST.
Sheesh. Paulo is just not haven’t a good time lately, is he?
Chompy August 2, 2013, 3:15 PM EST.
I don’t agree with Jasmine. After all, it was Paulo who wanted a relationship with Tess and wanted to spend more time with Jasmine. It seems Paulo is more into commitment than his love interests are. And when he realized that he actually loves Lucy, he went right ahead and broke it off with Jasmine without stringing her along.
MachBiker August 2, 2013, 3:16 PM EST.
I get the feeling he’s gona say something bad before this chapter ends
x August 2, 2013, 3:19 PM EST.
But Paulo -IS- immature! HE was the one moaning about not getting enough attention! Acting like an affection starved child.
While perfectly normal, it’s also not the most mature way to behave.
I hope Jasmine sticks around, as a friend of Daisy’s perhaps? Mostly because I ship LucyXJasmine
5Cats August 2, 2013, 3:27 PM EST.
That must be a really low punch for Paulo too… But at the same time he needed to hear that. Like @wakkawakkawakka said, not to long ago, Paulo wouldn’t stop going through girl after girl (Ha). Him hearing this may be what he needed to either A.) Be faithful to Lucy, if they even get together, or B.) At the least learn to control himself around Rachel or any other girl.
In other news, go Jasmine for not throwing herself into any drama! (unless something goes down in the last two pages )
Opal August 2, 2013, 3:27 PM EST.
Honestly in my mind, Paulo may have some issues but he’s not really any more or less mature than most guys his age. Also honestly I think Jazz just did that because she wants to be spiteful after seeing him with Rachel. Furthermore, if she liked him so much when they were together then why did she never have any time for him? Just saying he’s not the only one the immature label could be slapped on, cause a mature person doesn’t agree to date someone and then make everything else in their life more important than being with that person.
Fox August 2, 2013, 3:34 PM EST.
Oooooooooohh she did not
DezRaffy August 2, 2013, 3:37 PM EST.
Thank you Jasmine.
Vulcan August 2, 2013, 3:41 PM EST.
I felt that… Pretty blunt hammer there.
HeavyCat August 2, 2013, 3:42 PM EST.
Come on how is this even slightly surprising Paulo & people of the comment section? Every other character has already expressed that they feel Paulo is immature (some like Muke more often than others) So why is it after ignoring everyone else saying this for years that when Jasmine says its the end of the world?
Also, why is it after Mike expressed his feelings about Lucy with her people are still calling for him to be crucified while NO ONE has made any such violent call after Jasmine has somehow apparently crushed Paulo? Is Paulo less important or is Mile more hate able?
(Yes I know David & Rachel don’t think he’s immature but one us sleeping with him an the other is his best friend so they have no reason to tell him)
Misanthrope August 2, 2013, 4:09 PM EST.
I agree that Paulo needed to hear that and I commend Jasmine for her ability to put it to him, but I also feel like she shouldn’t have said the last bit that he wasn’t worth it.
Personally in the mind of someone who takes a big critique like that and mulls over it for days and days afterwards, being told I wasn’t worth it might translate into being “I’m worthless” after a while and THAT would be something that affects him on a much grander scale in a very negative direction.
I understand that it probably won’t go that deep and Paulo probably won’t take it that way, but I still feel like it could be an interesting development since Lucy is kind of in that place right now as well.
PoodlesofNoodles August 2, 2013, 4:11 PM EST.
But… but… but… that night when they broke up…?
When they broke up, Paulo was mature enough to say his feelings instead of lie like most people would on that situation. Plus he’s an emotional wreck right now, so what? He’s searching for comfort.
If you ask me, it’s Jazmin that’s being immature
Guest August 2, 2013, 4:23 PM EST.
shaaa August 2, 2013, 4:25 PM EST.
TraceLegacySSOF August 2, 2013, 4:30 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket: Ah; sorry, didn’t get back to you on this one.
Here’s what I’m seeing: Jazz taking down Paulo’s character. Despite the fact that he is changing a lot, he gets burned hard by Jasmine. And various comments are praising this.
…It wasn’t long ago that we had another instance like this…but it was in reverse (both whom was doing the burning and the comment reaction). The situation was different, but the spirit is the same.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.
Oh snap, look at Paulo’s face on the last panel. *Shwing* Arrow to the heart, baby!
Let’s see how many arrows there were and what they were made of:
1.) I really liked you…but I am glad we broke up.
2.) I looked up to you…but you’re really immature.
3.) I could’ve waited…but now I guess it’s not worth it.
Oh by the gods of Greece, you’re gonna hafta let it go, Paulo! Don’t let her stick you like that! You love Lucy and man, you gotta stick with it! Don’t waver on me now, Paulo!
I hate to say this about Jazz, but for Paulo’s sake, she’s just another chick! Don’t read into it too much. Just…another…chick! SAY IT PAULO!
Blank On Purpose August 2, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.
Immature. I warned you, Paulo! Now don’t go following her home to find out why she’s saying this. You’re just gonna hurt yourself, and punch Mike in the face again. And we don’t want that do we? No…..SNRRK! Just kidding ,that would be entertaining.
Meow August 2, 2013, 4:34 PM EST.
Apply cold water to the burnt area.
Solaris August 2, 2013, 4:42 PM EST.
Jazzie… you’re mean.
Paulo didn’t want to hurt you, yet now you did want to hurt him…
Revenge on a person who really regrets things is immaturity too, you know.
Lyucs August 2, 2013, 4:44 PM EST.
well i i think it’s pretty much true, specially for how he was acting in the end, he still was feeling pretty much sad about lucy, but then he was acting all flirty with rachel and then appeared jazz, so i think the basic though it will be of paulo being inmature, but i think he knows a lot of how to be, but still he’s pretty irresponsible on others things (but for his friends he’s pretty much a great guy).
Knight-A August 2, 2013, 4:47 PM EST.
As much as I love Paulo, Jazzie’s got a point. There were girls he was interested in, and at least 3 (4 if you count Lucy) that liked him, but he’s not exactly ready to keep a steady relationship at all. Or BE in one at all. SPECIALLY right now on the emotional scale.
Subaru August 2, 2013, 4:48 PM EST.
I bow to you sir, that was kind of my hunch too. Although, I feel this should be pointed out. Back when the other incident chocothunda mentioned was happening, there were many in the comments, while boiling the incident down to it’s basic elements, who made a hypothetical.
“what if the roles were reversed, with the female being the attacker and the male taking the damage.”
they then posed the question
“would you show the same outrage to the female?”
It was then theorized that the commenters would actually back the female.
Lo and behold now we have exactly that on a smaller scale (minus yelling, but no less brutal) and look, they’re actually praising the attacker. So commenters (some of you) thank you proving our past selves point.
For those not getting what I am hinting at i’ll sum it up with a modified Suede line “That’s called a double standard commenters, lose that”
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 4:55 PM EST.
Funny you would say that, since I used other nickname before as well. And you… I would say you sound like Strider.
Anyway: I already explained that girls and boys are mostly a fair bit different. So yeah, that’s why double standards are needed. People are different in many aspects, and they have different personalities, needs etc. Saying that everyone should be treated equally is a recipe for disaster. Of course I do believe people should be equal when it comes to rights (except for pedophiles, criminals, and mimes) though that does not mean everyone should be treated equally in every single situation.
Edit: Leave double standards alone. People have right to their oppinion, even if it is biased.
I would say Thanatos-Chan used to be a little more interesting before. His insults were more elaborate.
Ahem. I really do feel this world is doomed if you want to treat womens and mans as equals all the time. If you check the facts you’ll know boys and girls generally are different. So it’s hardly fair to treat a girl same as you would treat a dude.
I know many people are bitter about it, since “if they have equal rights, why not equal treatment on every occasion?”. But let me ask you this: how would you feel, if your girlfriend would cease to shave her legs and armpits? Ha, gotcha.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 5:05 PM EST.
Sanchan August 2, 2013, 5:08 PM EST.
Man, Jazz gained a whole lot of my respect on this page, she was honest, a bit bitter but still just plain honest ( it doesn’t seem passive aggressive, to me at least )
And Paulo, he’s not a bad person ( far from it) but he is a bit self centered (okay, a LOT ) and as harsh as it seems , we all have to be slapped whit the dead fish named Reality from time to time
B-Dawg August 2, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.
and here’s your cookie, hope you like it in digital form. That aside, I only harp on that which irritates the unholy ****ness out of me.
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 5:12 PM EST.
Ha, it wasn’t hard. Since we both posted like 10 comments on every page of “December”.
Anyway seriously: comparing a situation when gray cat yelled at white cat so har she barfed afterwards (on the side note: that was typical feline behaviour) with this? She only told him that he’s immature and not worth the effort. She’s not even yelling.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 5:18 PM EST.
Jazz has always been many things. Didnt know “mean-spirited bitch” was one of them.
So, sure, she doesnt know he just cried his eyes out and was more upset than most of the other characters, as evidenced by the fact that he actually acted OUT of character. But she did know (or at least suspect) that it was Lucy who he wanted to date and so she should have been less harsh, even if she meant what she said.
And, if she did mean it, she is not as bright as she thinks she is. Paulo realized he was always in love with Lucy and actually decided to man up and go for it, even risking his current relationship which he valued highly. He broke it off with Jazz in a respectable way, and it was the way she broke it off with him so she sees it that way too. Paulo has matured more than most of the cast.
I feel that Jazz is just jealous and probably feels a little guilty after Paulo worked towards their relationship and she didnt, and rather than admit it she attacks Paulos weak points. First time I really disliked Jazz.
Winterstorm August 2, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.
@Commander_Zero: Well yeah, it’s true: boys and girls are different, that goes without saying.
However…that’s not actually what I was talking about.
Jazz handled this situation quite similarly to how Mike handled his; not the same, but quite similarly. Also on a similar vein, Paulo and Lucy are both characters that have changed over the course of the comic.
Were each respective response to their character something that both Paulo and Lucy needed to hear? Yeah. Could it have been handled differently? Oh hell yeah.
But instead of getting vilified, Jazz is actually praised while Mike got incredibly burned. This is an observation that I made and have been keeping an eye on for some time.
I look at both characters differently though; and it’s actually not because of the fact that one’s a boy and the other’s a girl; this is also why I feel that, while Paulo did need to hear this, Jazz handled this terribly…probably even worse than Mike did.
Also, to answer your last question: Frankly, I wouldn’t care if she shaved or not. Why should I? (Also, the question itself isn’t relative to the comment either O_O).
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.
She’s just saying “don’t worry about what I think, because I’m just not into you anymore.” And, yeah, like most of the people at Paulo’s age, he acts immature. Jasmine’s a very intelligent kid, and is probably miles ahead of her peers in development (emotional/mental). She probably won’t be seriously considering dating for awhile while she waits for her peers to grow out of being noisy kids.
Neveko August 2, 2013, 5:25 PM EST.
Ohhhhhh what a BITCH! She played the immature card to make herself feel better. Ohhh holy crap Paulo I need to buy you a drink. Also, I now give you free reign to screw the living daylights out of Rachel as much as you want bro.
Follarch August 2, 2013, 5:27 PM EST.
If you say situations are similliar, and people should treat both situations the same you’re pretty much saying that either boys and girls are the same, or you’re trying to ignore the fact that they’re not. Both situations are different in many ways. You’re overestimate similliarities here.
First of all: as both you, and buche… buchake… Goddamn Strider pointed out: in December victim was female, here it is male.
Second thing: there’s slight difference between yelling at someone to the point that said person barfs, and calmly telling someone your oppinion. Try telling someone that you hate him calmly, and then try to yell it and add something about his/her mother being a hamster. I do believe reaction to both methods will be different.
True love hell yeah! Though pursuing this one is hard. So let’s make few stops on the way there and have some “one time” intercourses! True love, oh yeah!
You’re good at ignoring events, kind sir.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 5:29 PM EST.
@commander_zero (still deducing your past self, i’m split between curtismo and biblio)
Also note I said “on a smaller scale”. Smaller scale includes minusing the yelling. The thing is when boiled to brass tacks both mike and jasmine attacked anothers psychological weakness (Lucy: fear of being alone, Paulo: his confidence, specifically his self-confidence), following it up with a brutal comment (mike: you’re a parasite, Jazmine: I guess I don’t think it’s worth it, read you’re not worth it AKA you’re worthless). In mike’s instance, do you really think it was the yelling that did the most damage? No, it was mike’s observations and accusations that cut deep. In a similar way here, Jasmine didn’t even yell but you can see how deep she just cut Paulo.
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 5:46 PM EST.
@Commander_Zero: I think you are still missing the point.
You completely missed the fact that I’m looking at their characters and not at the fact that one’s a guy and the other’s a girl. Once again, I know that boys and girls are different from each other, there’s no missing that. But at the same time, I’m not afraid to call out either one if there’s something amiss.
And yes, there is a MASSIVE difference between calmly telling someone off and yelling at them. But their ends are still the same: you’re metaphorically taking a knife and jamming it into the heart of someone; it doesn’t matter if you do it repeatedly or twist it a little bit (Mike/Jasmine, respectively), the damage is done.
And yes, the situations are different; while we have discussed at length the situation between Mike and Lucy, let’s look over Jasmine and Paulo right quick:
The pair actually did have a nice relationship for some time, but there was a major problem: time. The two of them didn’t spend enough time with each other, and this actually caused a great deal of friction. There was a massive sense of doubt and a break-up looming in “Carry Me”, but Jasmine actually made the conscious change of dropping her violin courses to keep Paulo.
While that did help to patch things up, Paulo unfortunately couldn’t keep his thoughts off of Lucy, and he realized that he was loving two ladies at once; something that he doesn’t want to do. When he broke it off with Jasmine, it was thought to be mutual…but it was anything but, as you could tell in the subsequent chapters after their break-up.
And then we get this.
Overall, Mike and Jasmine suffer the exact same problem: They’re two characters that failed to see the growth of those that they took down.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 5:47 PM EST.
Rydux August 2, 2013, 5:48 PM EST.
She doesn’t know or suspect it’s Lucy. Paulo just said it’s another girl. In fact, you can tell she assumes it’s actually Rachel (I mean come on, she walked in on them playfully flirting.). She also might not know what happened to Lucy yet. That aside though, you are right about her taking a cheap shot at the “immature” thing. To a degree she’s probably bitter (She even said she thought the relationship could be revisited.) that he moved on so quick.
and this will get so much bull but oh well.
Yes the gender of those involved was switched, but so was the style of breaking the news. In December, the girl tries to reconcile with the boy, the boy stated he hated the girl after she says she’s happy for him, said everyone would leave her for him, and attacked her greatest fear (being alone) to the point where she puked. He knew how it would affect her but refused to believe it hurt her until it was to late. The girl became emotionally detached as a result.
Now in Study Buddy, The boy and girl broke up (The girl wanting time and the boy wanting another girl, both stating their reasons.). Upon meeting again the boy is seen with a different girl, and promptly pushes her away when his ex walks in, trying to make it look like something else. Later the boy finally tries to reconcile with his ex (in a friendly way) and apologizes for the break up being so quick. The girl then says (in a poliet manner compared to the boy in December) she was hoping to revisit the relationship, but thought it over and decided they were better off without eachother, because the boy is immature (which is true when you look at his actions lately).
These were two COMPLETELY different situations when put into perspective. Go back and read December if you need to. The situation has not been reversed, as the girl is saying it calmly without threatening the boy, unlike in December, where the boy told the girl she was hated and threatened to take everyone with him.
In other words: Jasmine actually handled this MUCH better then Mike did. If you try to bring up the Lucy thing: I don’t think she doesn’t knows about it. If anyone wants to correct me on that, please do.
End of rant.
Opal August 2, 2013, 6:05 PM EST.
Opal, read my last comment, I was actually pointing out minus the yelling for a reason. It wasn’t the method used that cut deep, it was the words themselves. If mike had said what he said in a calm manner it would have still cut just as deep. Here the words jasmine used, even said calmly, were quite sharp and attacked Paulo in his weak spot. They’re intentionally similar situations (just like the chapter that followed December was) with the only difference being the methods used. Showing how damaging words by themselves can be.
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 6:09 PM EST.
Finally someone told Paulo what he needed to be told a loooong time ago.
Dee August 2, 2013, 6:10 PM EST.
She still looks up to him. Look how short she is!
Chris August 2, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.
@Opal: Here’s the thing; we know that the two situations are different. The similarities between the methods of those that are involved, however, are hard to ignore, and by no means blown out of proportion (IMO, I feel that they’re ignored/glossed over more than anything else).
Lucy and Paulo both are characters trying to change for the better, but both got torn down hard by Mike and Jasmine, respectively. Some interesting things that I’ve observed, though:
Paulo’s change is fairly glossed over as opposed to Lucy…which is strange, to be honest. Peeps are seeing his flirtations around women, but not necessarily his own insecurities and issues that he’s really trying to fix. His reactions in the past few chapters, and hell…even the chapters BEFORE that, should attest to that.
Another thing that’s observed is something that I’ve pointed out before, but I’ll mention again: Mike and Jasmine BOTH cut down Lucy and Paulo. Both attacked their characters as to how they saw them. Their methods were different, but their ends were the same. I feel that in both situations, both needed to happen, however, this was done at the time where both characters (Lucy/Paulo) are trying to change themselves for the better.
The comment section interestingly enough, reacted to both instances vastly differently, vilifying one character and praising another.
It’s all very…interesting.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 6:32 PM EST.
Bet Paulo isn’t having a good day
Somebody August 2, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.
I will say you’re correct on how even said in a different tone, both statments are as painful as the other.
But what I’m trying to say is that in this case, Paulo’s insecuritys aren’t being attacked as a weapon. People are trying to say Jasmine had the same intent as Mike (Basically to tear down or harm), while that’s not the case. Jasmine isn’t saying Paulo’s worthless, she’s saying the relationship it’s self isn’t worth it. Which yes, can be as painful, but she didn’t attack him. She also said he’s immature, which also obviously hurt him, but she didn’t say it for that reason. She said it to make a point.
Opal August 2, 2013, 6:45 PM EST.
hahahaha! i lost it _._ that killed me… damn i bet Paulo did NOT see that coming
Hunter August 2, 2013, 6:46 PM EST.
“(still deducing your past self, i’m split between curtismo and biblio)”
Both wrong, though I also wonder where did they left. And it’s an easy riddle you have there, since I said I will return
“Also note I said “on a smaller scale”. Smaller scale includes minusing the yelling. The thing is when boiled to brass tacks both mike and jasmine attacked anothers psychological weakness (Lucy: fear of being alone, Paulo: his confidence, specifically his self-confidence)”
That’s hardly the thing here, or more accurately: it is the thing in every argument, when people are using argumentum ad personam. Since almost everything bad you say to your opponent is aimed at his self confidence.
“I don’t think it’s worth it, read you’re not worth it AKA you’re worthless)”
You’re jumping to conclusions. It might mean she meant his worthless, or that he wasn’t worth her time. Two different things.
“In mike’s instance, do you really think it was the yelling that did the most damage? No ”
Stop right there. Are you Lucy? No. So you can’t say for sure what caused most damage. Though yelling and far harsher words (no aka’s here, he said it clearly that she is a parasite) caused most damage imo. Plus Lucy was already having issues back then.
“And yes, there is a MASSIVE difference between calmly telling someone off and yelling at them. But their ends are still the same: you’re metaphorically taking a knife and jamming it into the heart ”
LOLWUT. Ok verbal violence is bad. We can agree on that.
“Overall, Mike and Jasmine suffer the exact same problem: They’re two characters that failed to see the growth of those that they took down.”
And I do believe you made a valid point here. So I guess I misunderstood your previous posts, since I thought you tried to convince me that both situations are very similliar while they share some small similliarities.
“The comment section interestingly enough, reacted to both instances vastly differently, vilifying one character and praising another”
Or not. Seriously: you admit both situations are different yet you do wonder why people reacted differently to those. Sorry, but the fact both situations share some similliarities doesn’t mean Paulo and Lucy are to be treated equaly. Why?
- Lucy and Paulo both try to fix their attitude - yeah, Lucy did her best and switched to friend approach. She didn’t tried to trick Mike into being with her (Daisy) nor did she tried to ruin his life.
Paulo tried to be mature. Ended up with a dog in bed during another one night stand. Yeah, both are TRYING.
- Lucy is a girl, Paulo is a dude, they react differently to verbal violence.
-…Yet the both did get different dose of it. Paulo was called immature (Call waaambulance, we have a future suicidal maniac here!), while Lucy was called parasite without friends - literally. A little reminder: girls are mostly more sensitive.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 6:53 PM EST.
also, just to make sure Everyone understand, i want Lucy back, now and good for you Jazz, you actually did it! you let your inner spirit !!
Hunter August 2, 2013, 6:57 PM EST.
No one here is making that assertion. Both spoke in a state of anger, mike’s a hot anger and Jasmine’s a cold anger. They pointed out their observations of another character. However, whether or not they intentionally attacked the others weakness is still up for debate. Mike in a rage lost control, when you’re angry especially heightened states of anger it’s very easy to unintentionally let things slip that you would have never said outside that state of anger. So, it could be his words were a product of an uncontrolled rage. Jasmine on the other hand, it’s more out of youth. She didn’t think about how her words could effect Paulo, so her’s could have also been unintentionally hurtful.
What we HAVE been saying is that both are situations where someone said something hurtful and emotionally/psychologically scarring, but resulted in two different responses from the commenters. My angle is to attack the double standard, Chocothunda’s is to attack situation itself, i’m assuming as a matter of fairness. More noting than anything that one got vilified and the other is getting praised by the commenters when they both said very hurtful things. But at no point have we talked about character motive or intent.
No i’m not, but I have the benefit of the fourth wall to get an overview of the situation to the point that I can read psychological impact (to a limited extent). Lucy started showing signs of distress even before the yelling started, signaling that it wasn’t the yelling that was the cause of her distress. While the yelling didn’t help, it wasn’t the most damaging to her emotions or psyche.
And no i’m not jumping to conclusions, re-read what I said about the worthless point from Paulo’s perspective. He already got hit by a comment just a bit ago about his confidence, now he’s being told it wasn’t worth it and you can follow the road to what he just heard from his POV.
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 6:59 PM EST.
this seems to me to be a mirror of what happened in december
i don't know August 2, 2013, 7:13 PM EST.
“I have the benefit of the fourth wall to get an overview of the situation to the point that I can read psychological impact (to a limited extent”
Let’s forget about the fact that we’re discussing cartoon cats: alright though as I said: you can read said psychological impact but you’ll never know for sure what said character is feeling at the moment, what makes him act the way he does. So your statements are mostly based on possibilites.
“He already got hit by a comment just a bit ago about his confidence, now he’s being told it wasn’t worth it and you can follow the road to what he just heard from his POV.”
This expression might as well mean that he didn’t expect Jess to act like that. He thought shell be mad, she’ll yell at him, or something else than her being so cold. So this is more likely one of a “didn’t seen this one coming” face, than “Bawww, I’m going to barf since she hit my self confidence”.
@i don’t know
I’m going to kill you until you’re dead.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 7:14 PM EST.
@Commander_Zero: You both hit AND missed the point of what my original comment was.
The point in question is this: People are reacting very differently to this situation, yes its true. My original comment was an observation that I made vocal. Once again, both Mike and Jasmine tore down two different characters: Lucy and Paulo, respectively.
From what I’ve seen over the course of the chapters post December is that hate is still with some people, contrary to the canon evidence that Mike’s actions were slowly chipping away at him, until everything came to a head in Breaking Up. And some peeps STILL give him hell.
Paulo and Jazz broke up in Ten Seconds to Midnight, and it was a break-up that seemed mutual…until we saw int he subsequent chapters up til now that it was ANYTHING but. And very few people batted an eye.
If it wasn’t clear before, I’ll say it bluntly: There is one HELL of a double standard here, with respect to how characters act (Mike and Jasmine) and how characters change (Lucy and Mike).
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 7:17 PM EST.
OH snap. MAybe that will talk some sense into Paulo?
RylanWearingABowtie August 2, 2013, 7:23 PM EST.
You seem to not know yourself what did you mean. I was explaining WHY PEOPLE ARE REACTING DIFFERENTLY TO BOTH SITUATIONS So I tried to explain you why people act like that, and why this has nothing to do with double standards. Now let me explain this once more: BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS! THEY HAVE FEW THINGS IN COMMON BUT NOT COMMON ENOUGH TO REACT EQUALLY TO BOTH!
Also: it’s not the yelling that makes your statement stronger, unless you’re trying to destroy someone by calling him a friendless parasite.
“The comment section interestingly enough, reacted to both instances vastly differently, vilifying one character and praising another. ”
If I wasn’t clear enough before: I responded mostly to this statement.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 7:28 PM EST.
@Commander_Zero: Remember…I’ve said similarities.
I never said they were equal. Nor have I said that people should react equally at all.
However, that doesn’t mean not to look at it with no form of scrutiny just because they are different.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 7:34 PM EST.
“Double standard” mostly means: we agree to treat same situations same way. This mostly means you can’t say that it’s wrong when someone is stealing, but its right when you do it yourself.
When you used this term you pretty much made a statement that those are two same situations and people are using double standards. which means they’re reacting differently to same situations.
So yeah, you said it. Or you used wrong term.
Commander_Zero August 2, 2013, 7:40 PM EST.
Ah, immature, the stock phrase thrown by prudes everywhere, when “You’re really headstrong” or “You’re really shameless” doesn’t seem insulting enough. Not that Paulo is mature, but then neither is Mike with his puppy crush on Sandy, or Daisy with… well everything, but you don’t see people calling them out for being immature.
Tacsi August 2, 2013, 7:54 PM EST.
@Commander_Zero: Huh. I guess you’re right on this point. Double standards does mean to treat the same situations differently. This is true.
And you’re also right; breaking off a friendship and breaking up with someone/seeing them with others are two completely different situations entirely.
But, I must apologize, for you’re right: I have been looking at a situation as the “same”.
The situation of one character tearing down another.
Strip away everything else, and you have this. Which brings me back to my original point: comments reacted VERY differently to how Mike tore down Lucy’s character and how Jazz is tearing down Paulo’s character. Severity aside, these are two very similar situations, to the point that they could be considered the same.
And yes, by definition, this is considered a double standard.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 7:56 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket There is NO DOUBLE STANDARD involved here! Ditto for you @Chocothunda! None!
Different people, different situation entirely!
Mike-Lucy went on for YEARS! Paulo-Jasmine dated a few months?
Lucy was REALLY MEAN to Mike. Paulo and Jasmine got along well!
Mike vented a DECADE of pent-up anger and frustration. Jasmine just pointed out her opinion “IT (not “you”) wasn’t worth waiting for.”
@Opal and @Commander_Zero are correct: There is NO double standard in this particular comments section. Period.
The cat has spoken! >^..^<
(lolz! The last < of my kitty-face gets left off! Weird)
5Cats August 2, 2013, 7:58 PM EST.
@5Cats: I was going to add to the discussion, but you summed up my thoughts pretty well.
Floweramon August 2, 2013, 8:01 PM EST.
on a sidenote, my memory isn’t the best so I went back to December and tried to find a comment like that (I will return) while looking I found that might not be possible as it seems some of the comments were removed. Most notably on Pg. 29 where people were having a conversation with an invisible commenter (derp).
Anyhow moving on, you are denying the core element of this. Yes this is different in method, but at it’s very core this is a inversed version of the December situation. Now I don’t know if this is coincidence, but my gut tells me this is that, because if you read from December up keeping the overarching themes in that chapter in mind, the themes from that chapter keep popping up. Most notably the chapter following December, it was a chapter about the worst case outcome of an abusive relationship, it’s following a chapter where someone presented the idea of their relationship being abusive. If you keep reading, you’ll see this sort of thing keep cropping up. To the point it might not be coincidence, I don’t know, maybe it could possibly be *le gasp* an intentional action to make points that connect back to december. I don’t know, i’m not the writer, but my gut tells me coincidence doesn’t stretch that far.
lately I wouldn’t comment to someone who signs a non forum comment, but I have to address that and i’ll address it with a question. Strip away the rage, the motives, strip away everything down to bare basics concept what do you have in both scenarios?
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 8:02 PM EST.
“one character tearing down another”
Seriously? @Chocothunda? Mike did indeed tear Lucy down, it was brutal (but true!). Jasmine did nothing of the sort, IMHO.
To pretend a hand grenade is “the same as” an atomic bomb is… illogical. Highly illogical!
@buchanen_neket But it’s STILL completely different! “Similar” does not require the exact same reaction, to avoid being bigoted (aka: a double standard) correct?
5Cats August 2, 2013, 8:05 PM EST.
Not surprisingly this ending.
Paulo actually is thinking ” We have broken up and can’t you say something good”.
HongKat August 2, 2013, 8:13 PM EST.
@5cats: Not quite…Remember, Paulo has been trying to change how he acted waay back in the comic, since Intervention. When he hooked up with Jasmine it was indeed a legitimate relationship; there were rough parts (as seen during Pillow Talk), but for the most part, it was a good relationship.
Prior to Ten Seconds to Midnight, you could see that Paulo had Lucy on her mind for a long time; what he felt about Lucy, he couldn’t quite reciprocate that feeling towards Jasmine, which led to a break up. Towards the end of that chapter, it was assumed that the break was mutual.
We already saw at Curtain call that that break wasn’t mutual.
All throughout Study Buddy, you can clearly see Paulo’s insecurities, something that Rachel understands (Remember, Rachel had a similar instance happen with her (Pillow Talk)). Paulo’s trying to patch things up and start over, but Jasmine not only shoots him down, but leaves him with a little extra something.
Huh…this is actually an interesting call back to Jazz and Paulo’s fight way back in Pillow Talk O_O.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 8:17 PM EST.
@Lapis Jolly good show indeed!
poptart August 2, 2013, 8:18 PM EST.
Yoiks. Well then Jazzy.
Jessica U. Ingmann August 2, 2013, 8:24 PM EST.
So far paulo IS being immature. He’s in love with lucy, and even broke up with a girl he really liked just to be with her, because it felt right. But then he finds out she’s moving, and all of a sudden he’s just super depressed and upset. It was a good thing he cried it out with mike, but the whole rachel thing needed to be handled differently. Look at it from his ex girlfriends point of view. She see’s him with another girl all buddy buddy, not too long ago after breaking up with each other. I’m glad she noticed how immature he was being, and got herself out of the relationship. Paulo needs to work on stop being a huge flirt without meaning to.
It’s a serious problem for a lot of people, he gets mistaken for hitting on them when they’re really just friends. Rachel should know that she shouldn’t get all cozy and snug when he was trying to find lucy to tell her he loves her for goodness sake.
It makes him look unfaithful, and lets face it, he IS kinda. He’s a huge playboy, who also hooked up with those two and had sex with them, all while lucy was opening up to him after all that mess. Yeah, he can do what he wants, but those actions are making it hard for him to move forward.
He needs to step up his game and stop flirting/teasing with other girls if he truly wants him and lucy to work.
Contag August 2, 2013, 8:27 PM EST.
Paulo: The same can be said for you. What’s with all the glares and the avoiding? And anyway, what exactly makes me immature? Or are you just saying that to hurt my feelings?
^ [Yeah, that’s so not going to happen, though I can wish.] ^
Gate-Senpai August 2, 2013, 8:36 PM EST.
All I can think of when Jazzie said that was ‘BAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!’ for whatever reason.
Tony6Shot August 2, 2013, 8:37 PM EST.
You can’t blame Jazz for how she’s feeling. Of course her bitter statements toward Paulo is a bit irrational because he is trying to fix things and he did do the right thing by not leading her own, but it’s not so easy to forget how someone hurt you. Maybe she was being a bit too hurtful, but Paulo did deserve that. But you can’t blame Paulo either. Paulo did hurt Jazz by breaking up with her, but he felt guilty. He felt guilty that he was leading Jazz on like that. Even after that, he tried to patch things up by making conversation. So maybe he did deserve it, but Jazz was being a bit too hurtful. It’s a neutral thing to me, and maybe it should be to everyone else
justanotherfan August 2, 2013, 8:37 PM EST.
Double standard definition: a rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.
fox August 2, 2013, 8:43 PM EST.
@justanotherfan: And this, I fully agree with.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 8:48 PM EST.
It’s been proven that makes are more affected by emotional stress than girls to the point where they instinctively avoid drama because the stress can lead to actual physical damage. This has been scientifically proven.
Just wanted to let you know that you are misinformed when you say girls are more affected. Guys just trend to hide/express it behind closed doors due to the stigma attached to them expressing feelings.
Naoki August 2, 2013, 8:52 PM EST.
And at no point does he think to mention that he’s not dating or sleeping with Rachel? Because that seems like what set off this little scene here.
Ah, but, maybe he’s too immature to think of that WHOOAAAHHH BOGGLED
Is anyone else getting their mind blown by how apparent it’s become recently that wimpy little Mike is a self-assured man and savvy Paulo is a gutless schlub?
An insensitive and out-of-touch man, and a loyal kindhearted schlub, but still.
MykelTDT August 2, 2013, 9:04 PM EST.
Okay, wow. Jasmine, can you not. Why is she acting as if he asked her to wait for him?? That was what she wanted. She really did not need to add that “i would’ve waited but im not finding it worth it anymore”. It was entirely irrelevant - he was not even interested in later getting back with her. Like wtf, get off your high horse. Really, she’s giving herself way too much credit in this situation.
Naoki August 2, 2013, 9:11 PM EST.
A highschooler? Being immature? No way! Get out o’ here!
Hah. Jezzus, jazzie talks like a freaken college girl.
If anything, the should be less mature. Too much drama in seriousness.
Ickbarr Bigelsteine August 2, 2013, 9:12 PM EST.
lately I wouldn’t comment to someone who signs a non forum comment
It took a while, but eventually I understood this…
Strip away the rage, the motives, strip away everything down to bare basics concept what do you have in both scenarios?
You’d have: False Moral Equivalence?
World War 2 VS The War of 1812
Strip away the rage, motives, everything? GOSH! They’re exactly identical! Except, you know, Canada and the USA were allies in one and enemies in the other… aside from that…
OK Then: Seriously? All sarcasm aside?
Strip -everything- away and you have: two cartoon characters talking to each other. Seriously.
Just like Wiley Coyote & Roadrunner. Except, you know, those two don’t actually talk eh?
5Cats August 2, 2013, 9:12 PM EST.
GO JAZZY TELL HOW IT IS
now Paulo can go and be a better person and we in the comments can live happily ever after
Plot Twist August 2, 2013, 9:20 PM EST.
Thank you for that, now this next part doesn’t apply to you but I will take that definition to utilize it to make a point, feel free to reply if you disagree.
Continuing on, in the case of commenters on mike and lucy
Principle applied: If a person attacks another, rather it be physically, psychologically or emotionally. They should be held accountable to the point of karmatic retribution.
Clarification: when mike went on his rage fueled tirade with lucy, commenter response was that mike should be punished for attacking her, some clarifying karmatic retribution in that he end up alone. Regardless of whether he was angry or not or if he intended to be as hurtful as he was.
Scenario: at core level, removing variables of time, location, motive, emotional state, gender, etc. It was one person attacking (rather intentional or unintentionally) another emotionally and psychologically.
In the case of commenters on Jasmine and Paulo
Principle applied: If a person attacks another, rather it be physically, psychologically or emotionally. They should be praised.
Clarification: during a conversation, Jasmine enacted an emotional (guilt/shame) and psychological attack (high probability it was unintentional due to youth) on Paulo by attacking his weakness. Commenter response was to shower her with praise.
Scenario: at core level, removing variables of time, location, motive, emotional state, gender, etc. It was one person attacking (rather intentional or unintentionally) another emotionally and psychologically.
So what happened here, at core level they are the same scenario. So why is the principle applied different from one to the other?
To fox, in your honest opinion, do you think this is a double standard or not?
buchanen_neket August 2, 2013, 9:20 PM EST.
I did not expect this. I thought it was going to be a typical, OMG PAULO I LIKED YOU A LOT and blah blah patheticness… but I’m glad it didn’t. Paulo needs some character development, harsh as it may come!
Jasmine, you are cool. Keep on being cool. You don’t need a boy.
Just-A-Lurker August 2, 2013, 9:33 PM EST.
You know, everything here was necessary. I mean sure, that hurt. And sure, Jazz is probably biased saying these things, she got hurt too. But I don’t think anything here is unnecessary. This isn’t Mike at all. However, this IS a really bad time for Paulo to begin with, so the impact may be the same. With only 2 pages left, i doubt there’ll be a fight but… I am extremely curious as to how he’ll handle it.
xKrisx August 2, 2013, 9:37 PM EST.
Okay, stop. Stop. Stop. Jazzy, REALLY? You were playing pranks and everything else along WITH HIM. You are just as immature. No need to break out that card.
Mika August 2, 2013, 9:52 PM EST.
@xKrisx: I’m just as curious. The next page’ll be very interesting O_O.
Chocothunda August 2, 2013, 10:12 PM EST.
Good job Jasmine, you went from sane & levelheaded individual, to a hypocritical person starting a -pot calling kettle black- situation.
bible thumbing bitch.
Proff August 2, 2013, 10:35 PM EST.
…So, he tries to apologize and patch things up. What does he get? Someone insulting him. Damn, I don’t think I’ve ever wanted to hug a fictional character before.
Trubeque August 2, 2013, 10:49 PM EST.
Hypocrite much Jasmine?
How are you any better? You had fun scaring kids, throwing snowballs, making snowmen and so forth with Paulo. Now, when he is trying to be kind after a break up, you are saying he wouldn’t actually be worth your time if you didn’t break up? That’s immature too, it sounds mature, it looks mature, but all it really is is a way to get back at someone for hurting you, making it immature.
Moogle August 2, 2013, 10:49 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket No: your “base premise” is incorrect:
It is not “attacking” THAT is YOUR opinion. You might be correct in saying that (well, yeah!) BUT it’s not an “indisputable fact” OK?
“Attacking” involves many presuppositions and definitions.
>>Justified or not? Malicious or self defense? What motives are in play? One can say the things Mike said for a VARIETY of reasons! Love? Anger? Resentment? Hate? Concern? Surrender?
It’s NOT 100% black OR white. OK?
AND THEREFOR: The commenters on this page are NOT using a “double standard” if they say… anything! You only have your opinion on that, not one ounce of “proof”. Ok?
I could “go on” because there’s lots more you’ve gotten wrong too. But I hope this will be sufficient.
@Proff: Um, I don’t see any ‘Bibles’ in this page… :rolleyes: Hysterical much?
5Cats August 2, 2013, 11:02 PM EST.
Pull up a seat kids, this is going to be good
JustSomeCritic August 2, 2013, 11:24 PM EST.
Honestly, I can’t stand Paulo most of the time, especially with his treatment of his friends. However, he needed that commentary, except for “not worth it”. That will shatter the foundation of your existence - should know, because its been said to me.
It may not have said out of maliciousness, but it was uncalled for. Paulo is a little ****, but he’s not scum. She’ll regret it later I’m sure. I feel bad for him. When it rains it pours - and in Paulo-land, its flooding.
Canny August 2, 2013, 11:35 PM EST.
LOL Paulo got owned again. Bulls eye Jasmin, right on target.
starfighter105 August 2, 2013, 11:56 PM EST.
Just you wait, Paulo’s not through with this yet…
No way a man takes that sitting down!
Rawrz August 3, 2013, 12:01 AM EST.
as much as i love paulo, jasmine is right.
anoon August 3, 2013, 12:04 AM EST.
Oh come on taeshi you cant ruin lucy’s life anymore so you start ruining paulos. real mature
N-master August 3, 2013, 12:11 AM EST.
and there goes my hearts
CoolBad August 3, 2013, 12:16 AM EST.
Well at least theres one less lonely girl, I mean, one girl that the PauloXLucy shippers don’t have to worry about.
Jadeeee August 3, 2013, 12:53 AM EST.
Oooh, what an uppity little snot. Why does everyone in this comic instantly jump to the wrong conclusion?
StushiJaguar August 3, 2013, 1:01 AM EST.
Oh man…I sorta saw this coming, though. Paulo just can’t catch a break, can he?
Fangskin August 3, 2013, 1:46 AM EST.
Why does he ALWAYS seem to have so MANY troubles with girls?
Me Man August 3, 2013, 1:51 AM EST.
Angiru August 3, 2013, 2:36 AM EST.
Omg… I type up most of a long comment relating to Paulo’s immaturity and Jazmine’s right to call him out on it, and my internet crashes. I restore the page, and the comment LOOKS like it’s gone. RIGHT as I decide not to type it again (because trying to remember and type all the points for an argument TWICE is SO tedious) and begin clicking the “x” button, what I’ve typed reappears. Now it’s ACTUALLY gone, and I am very VERY friggin’ angry about it.
tldr, Paulo needed to hear it, [insert list of reasons why, due to internet crashing and deleting my couple paragraph large comment]
Lord Lemmy August 3, 2013, 3:36 AM EST.
I like Jasmine even more.
Gasz August 3, 2013, 4:01 AM EST.
@Chocothunda: Thanks. It’s just unbearable how much hate people are putting on Jasmine here. I know people say to be mature and forgive others, but it’s not so easy to forget the pain, especially if you were really hurt. Bad impressions are hard to get rid of. But I’m not saying that people should be hating on Paulo, no. He got what he deserved. But he’s changed a great deal throughout the comic. Jazz just needs to slowly overcome the pain and realize that.
justanotherfan August 3, 2013, 4:05 AM EST.
Booyah! **** you Paulo. She’s absolutely right.
Teashi August 3, 2013, 4:38 AM EST.
And stop bringing up Mike. Paulo’s a jerk on his own Merit. He’s got to grow up and stop feeling sorry for himself.
Teashi August 3, 2013, 4:43 AM EST.
Damn Jasmine, just because you’re right doesn’t mean you’re allowed to be such a bitch about it.
If Paulo responds with a immature yet hard hitting retort, then you had it coming with the force of a freight train speeding out of control
Flix August 3, 2013, 5:58 AM EST.
@bloop definitely feeling the Scott Pilgrim vibe too.
eatedurtaco August 3, 2013, 5:58 AM EST.
Man. I love Jasmine and Sue through out this entire chapter. This may finally be a wake up call to Paulo, and maybe Sue will make Mike spill the beans about Lucy. I look forward to the future character development.
BornAgain August 3, 2013, 7:12 AM EST.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it, Paulo?
Crad August 3, 2013, 7:48 AM EST.
What a bitch.
Lol. August 3, 2013, 8:21 AM EST.
You’re right it’s not black and white, there are variables involved that can manipulate viewer judgement. That’s why when making a point like I am trying to make you have to remove the variables. Remove the variables and it becomes easier to make judgement, it has to be done because some of those variables effect emotion and emotion clouds judgement. To use a hypothetical, a person could say “oh he killed a few people shooting up a place in a fit of rage, but at least he’s not hitler.” Oh gooood, he’s not that big an asshat but he’s still a asshat.
Also, this is not directed at you but just to clarify, there’s something I should point out in hindsight. I’m not saying Jasmine is a bad person and should be hated. I’m just asking for a bit of balance here, what we have happening in the comments are two vastly different reactions to the same base scenario. So why does Mike get treated like the frankenstein monster, but Jasmine get’s praised like she’s jesus. Come on, just a little bit of balance, why should Mike get treated so harshly and Jasmine get treated so lightly. Should Mike get some hate, yeah, he went too far. Should Jasmine get a pass, no, she should be getting a bit of hate too for going too far in her anger. But should either be completely loathed or loved? No, i’m just asking for a bit of middle ground as both did wrong.
So why is this happening? Because, in my personal opinion, it’s because she’s a she and mike’s a he and there’s a stigma that girls are allowed to attack guys (again rather intentionally or unintentionally) but if a guy even smarts off to a girl and oh my god he’s a monster. For ****’s sake people, it’s the 2010’s why are we still applying the principles and mentalities applicable to the 50’s.
buchanen_neket August 3, 2013, 9:41 AM EST.
Are there really people who are comparing what happened here to what happened with Mike and Lucy? How on earth can you draw comparisons between the two besides ‘someone who previously revered someone romantically turned around and decided they were worthless.’ That’s the only thing in common here. Different scenarios, different way it was handled. The degree of animosity shown by Jasmine right now doesn’t even begin to approach Mike’s toward Lucy. All Jasmine is saying is that Paulo isn’t as great as she thought he was and actually immature now that she thinks about it, which given that they only dated for a while is a fair enough (subjective) assessment to come up with because she might not have had enough time to really get to know him until now. Mike and Lucy were friends since they were kids, Mike knew full well what Lucy was like and didn’t seem to mind it until Sandy told him he should, made a full 180 on his stance toward Lucy, and said some extremely incorrigible things that fed on Lucy’s worst fears and led her to actually harming herself, and leaving some horrible mental scars that will probably *never* wholly fade to boot. It doesn’t matter that he’s sorry now, or even if they become as good of friends or even better as they ever were in the future, she will never be able to truly forget how much he hurt her once, even if she tries not to hold it against him. That’s what happens when you love someone that much and they tear you down to the foundations.
This is nothing against that, a mere trifle. Jasmine and Paulo are both, and will be, totally fine. They weren’t that serious. Hurt, but fine. It’s like saying that failing a test is the same thing as flunking out of school, and having the Dean tell you that you’ll never, ever succeed academically on top of that. They are not comparable situations in terms of severity.
That being said, I don’t think Paulo is that immature. He hasn’t figured his life out yet, but who really has at that age? Is she calling him that because he didn’t want to settle with her? He was in no way obligated to, and even adults have trouble deciding what they really want romantically. If anything I think it was a mature move of him to try to make amends with her, because most boys his age would of never done that. Also unlike some people, he’s trying to be responsible for his own life instead of waiting for people to do things for him. Not to mention all of the times he’s been there for members of the group and helped them out when no one else seemed to notice or care. Sometimes he acts immature, sure, but I don’t think his actions are. I think his intentions are pure, and he’s just having a rough time getting to the end of that rocky path he’s taken. He keeps falling because he’s trying to carry so much all at once.
Lumi August 3, 2013, 11:01 AM EST.
Jasmine. You have officially made my blacklist.
Caitlynn Moss August 3, 2013, 11:56 AM EST.
daft_inquisitor August 3, 2013, 12:56 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket But you CANNOT just discard “variables” which are actually important facts! Simply to “make a point” eh?
For example: ‘Fur Colour’ is a variable which CAN be discarded. Grey, white, orange or tuxedo? It really has NO effect on the situation here.
But the length or relationship is a critically important element! You can’t just “divide by zero” and make it go away.
OF COURSE they’re ALL immature! They’re teenagers! Mike is immature too, to some degree. And Jasmine is a year younger than the rest, so yeah, it is more surprising how mature she normally is.
@Lumi - You get it correct!
5Cats August 3, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.
@Buchan-neket I think its a double standard yes and here’s why calling someone immature is an insult, insults are meant to hurt people and saying waiting for someone isnt worth it is also an insult because it implies they aren’t worth waiting for. Therefore, jasmine used insults as a means to hurt(since that is intrinsically the point of an insult) and regardless of severity the effect of insulting someone is creating hurt feelings. To be clear what jazz did is not the same as what mike did, but the point is both mike and jasmine insulted and hurt another person, regardless of their intent, the result is someone else was hurt, perhaps not to the same degree bit hurt is hurt. Thus, I say this is a double standard because mike a male hurt Lucy a female and was vilified, yet when jasmine a female hurt Paulo a male, as evidenced by the look on his face in the last panel, she is praised. In summation, my point is it isn’t ok for one person to hurt another no matter their gender and to say its ok for a female to be hurtful to a male but that the reverse is not ok, is not ok is by definition a double standard.
fox August 3, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.
Yxela007 August 3, 2013, 1:39 PM EST.
Maybe, however my argument is based around conceptual similarity. Are they two different scenarios, yes, but is the offense the same. How do you find the offense when you’re being blocked by emotional manipulation that wants to divert your attention away from the conceptual similarity. Again going back to my hypothetical, Was Hitler a murderer, yes, is the guy who shot up the place a murderer, yes. But the guy invokes a lesser response or maybe even opposite response (it happens, I’ve actually seen people deploy the at least he isn’t hitler defense to justify a person’s actions). Why? It’s because of emotional manipulation, specifically anger.
Lawyers specialize in this, ESPECIALLY prosecutors. Many of the most infamous “miscarriage of justice” events were because the prosecution/defense played a better emotional manipulation card. Why? Because they know, you anger the jury or get them to sympathize with a witness or hell, even the defendant, you’ll cloud their judgement. They’ll ignore the basic facts of the case because they’re too angry or too sad to deliver an impartial judgement.
That’s why the best juror is the one who can step back, determine what is relevant fact and what was emotional manipulation diverting your attention away from the fact. Coming back to the argument at hand, and going back to my core level scenario, removing the emotional manipulation variables you get the base fact, you can expand upon that to determine degree, but in the end, what is the basic fact. Did Jasmine, even unintentionally, inflict a severe emotional and psychological wound on Paulo? Yes. So it carries a conceptual similarity to December.
With that, i’m done, I really didn’t want to get into this. I was chomping at the bit but I was going to keep silent. But Chocothunda’s comment was a bit too much bait to avoid (not saying you baited me, just that I had to respond as I was already curious about what I was seeing and wondering if you were seeing something similar to what I was seeing).
buchanen_neket August 3, 2013, 1:48 PM EST.
It’d be pretty sad if Paulo ended like his dad.
wr3h August 3, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.
Ouch. Kind of waited for someone to tell him that… Even though it’s not really… He is. I have t agree.
Ame August 3, 2013, 2:02 PM EST.
Tbh, I really think Paulo needed to hear that. Not so much because he’s trying to be immature (he is a kid after all), but because he so rarely legitimately thinks about his actions. I really want him to think about what he’s doing, what he plans on doing and how he should go about doing those things.
Paulo just needs to take a step back and figure out what he really wants /by himself/ without anyone (Lucy, Rachael, Jasmine) pulling him in one direction or another because of what they want (though Jasmine actually pushed away because it was better for both of them).
70lemons August 3, 2013, 3:29 PM EST.
i just started from the beginning and kept on reading and now i came to a stop
tony August 3, 2013, 3:55 PM EST.
… Ouch …
SOGx-ray August 3, 2013, 4:38 PM EST.
“And yes, by definition, this is considered a double standard.”
No it’s not. Same situation, not similliar situation. If it’s similliar it leaves room for different interpretation. If it’s same you’re treating SAME thing differently
SCIENCE! OF COURSE!
“It’s been proven that makes are more affected by emotional stress than girls to the point where they instinctively avoid drama because the stress can lead to actual physical damage. This has been scientifically proven.”
You know psychology is a slippery field, do you? Many things have been proven in the past, and then proven wrong later, just to be revisited after another decade. So it’s hardly convincing.
“Just wanted to let you know that you are misinformed when you say girls are more affected. Guys just trend to hide/express it behind closed doors due to the stigma attached to them expressing feelings.”
I can hardly argue with you since you just say “scientists have proven that”. Though somehow girls are more often suffering from depression. Which is weird. Since guys with all those bottled feeling should be more vulnerable to this.
I’m aware that some psychologists are saying males are emotionally weaker (like Mark Robins). Though I’ve seen articles about stress resistance in work. And here females are weaker than males. So yeah, it’s up to debate.
“(…)Most notably on Pg. 29 where people were having a conversation with an invisible commenter (derp).”
Shhhh… Hah, just kidding. I know more than one trick that helps me come back if there’s still discussion to be had.
Anyway stop telling people you were going to be silent, but… Let’s be honest we both are addicted to it. Where there’s chance for good discussion nor you, or I won’t jump in, and try to beat people to death with arguments.
Probably that’s what I would be doing now, though you guys produced to many posts, responding to all this would took like 2 hours.
“I think its a double standard yes and here’s why calling someone immature is an insult”
No. It’s not.
“insults are meant to hurt people”
” and saying waiting for someone isnt worth it is also an insult”
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“because it implies they aren’t worth waiting for.”
Well yeah, or they aren’t worth the time. Though still that’s an oppinion. It’s like saying “you’re bad at arts”. It can be intentional insult or just an remark.
“Therefore, jasmine used insults as a means to hurt(since that is intrinsically the point of an insult) and regardless of severity the effect of insulting someone is creating hurt feelings.”
I’ll be frank. Reading your comment created a lot hurt feelings for me, since you’re already wrong at first sentence.
“To be clear what jazz did is not the same as what mike did, but the point is both mike and jasmine insulted and hurt another person, regardless of their intent, the result is someone else was hurt, perhaps not to the same degree bit hurt is hurt.”
Ok, now you’re talking. Since I can’t agree with “intentional” part. I still think Jasmine is just saying what she thinks about Paulo without any ill intent. It’s pretty much like telling that by criticizing people you’re insulting them. Well you can think so, but that means you would like to live in a world, where people noses are permanently brown.
“Thus, I say this is a double standard because mike a male hurt Lucy a female and was vilified, yet when jasmine a female hurt Paulo a male, as evidenced by the look on his face in the last panel, she is praised. In summation, my point is it isn’t ok for one person to hurt another no matter their gender and to say its ok for a female to be hurtful to a male but that the reverse is not ok, is not ok is by definition a double standard.”
As I said before: females handle stress a little bit worse than guys do (proven by HR specialists who are checking reactions in certain situations, not by doing general psychic tests). This already makes those situations a bit similliar but NOT THE SAME which means we don’t have any double standards here.
Commander_Zero August 3, 2013, 4:43 PM EST.
@Naoki Links to abstracts or gtfo. Evopsych articles will be used for kindling.
Icsifil August 3, 2013, 5:13 PM EST.
This is, like, a reality situation.
RIGHT NOW, where I am, I’m witnessing this type of break-up. Like this EXACT same thing.
This guy goes for younger girls, and acts really immature, and once he finds someone else, he cheats on her… for someone younger, though.
Like… I’m her friend, but the two going through his… they’re somewhat older than me.
I won’t mention any names…. not like you’ll find them or anything, though.
Mikika Hatari August 3, 2013, 5:41 PM EST.
I don’t understand a lot of comments… oh well, I’ll enjoy” the comic all alone
Gasz August 3, 2013, 5:56 PM EST.
While i’m stepping down from my other argument I do want to point out a flaw in your comment (no I’m not going grammar Nazi). This first part is also pointed out to all you anal bags who keep bringing this up (I apologize for that Mikika, you’re not included in that, the people i’m talking about know who they are). It sounds similar except two things, Paulo didn’t cheat on anybody and he’s not consistently going for younger girls. Let’s go through the first by going through his relationships or in this case, relationship.
Tess: he was never with her, he liked her, but it wasn’t reciprocated
Lucy: he liked her, but he’s never been with her.
Jasmine: of course you can’t bring up Lucy without bringing up Jasmine. to start he wasn’t with jasmine at the time of the play (before someone brings it up). That’s post relationship, let’s talk during the relationship. while he thought of Lucy, he didn’t do anything with Lucy while he was in a relationship with Jasmine.
Rachel/Jessica (I think that was her name): Moving on let’s talk Pre-Jasmine relationship. it was never an active relationship. Paulo was also never with anyone (going back to Tess) at that time. To single out Rachel due to the possibility of him getting in one with her. He’s currently not in any relationship at the moment.
And I think that’s about it, confusing and circular I know but I tried to be as detailed as I could to the best of my memory. None of his relationships or flings overlapped with each other, thus he never cheated on anyone.
Now onward to the second flaw: he has a thing for younger girls
well this one is easier to point out
Lucy: same age
So i’d say he leans more toward older women than anything, I think he even had a crush on his teacher at one point.
Well that’s all I got to say on that, just wanted to point those things out.
buchanen_neket August 3, 2013, 6:23 PM EST.
Wow! Someone get Paulo some ice for that burn.
Alamoraine August 3, 2013, 7:59 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket The fault I find in your argument is: You’ve NOT “reduced it to it’s foundations” (as you claim). All you’ve done is substitute “emotional manipulation A” for “emotional manipulation B”. (to use your terminology, eh?)
Base: two characters talking. That is -identical-
ALL the rest is different in the two cases. Everything. Including puking (so far).
And, for the record: I supported Mike AND I support Jasmine. But I :heart: Lucy to tiny pieces!
PS: Your comments about @Mikika_Hatari’s post are spot on. Not sure how you can easily see the differences there, but not here… oh well!!
5Cats August 3, 2013, 8:03 PM EST.
POW, right in da confidence
Butterflyslicer August 3, 2013, 8:11 PM EST.
Come on you know how, I apply the exact same logic universally, it’s easier in some cases, harder in others and no i’m not substituting as it would negate my purpose and role as an objective observer and commentator Vs. your subjective version of events. The case here is that while objectivity gives me a clearer picture I must deny emotional impacts in order to not allow my own personal feelings interfere with my vision. But due to this is the reason I can see something you can’t because you are being subjective and allowing personal feelings on the matter interfere with your judgement. Subjectivity has it’s own strengths, but it can damage your ability to see an unfiltered version of the picture.
buchanen_neket August 3, 2013, 8:53 PM EST.
The only thing I criticize about this is Jasmine not giving Paulo a chance to say something. Because that really might help him.
But hey. He’s really immature.
StraightFace August 3, 2013, 9:01 PM EST.
hey Paulo you may want to go see the doctor about that SICK BURN
Flamingnoka August 3, 2013, 9:33 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket: Objective, emotionless, unfiltered, logic?
Are you from Planet Vulcan or something?
All you’ve done is shift the emotional trigger from “A” to “B” in your argument. Nothing wrong with that, if it floats your boat…
But to try to ‘tar’ all the commenters with accusations of “double standard” & bias? Bzzt! Wrong!
Don’t pretend to be a “pure thinking machine” because you are not one! Neither is anyone else who forms THEIR OWN OPINION on the Mike vs Lucy and Jasmine vs Paulo scenes. Rightly or wrongly? It’s entirely THEIR decision!
If you fling poo at them (us)? You’d better back it up with something solid. MORE than “this is my opinion” which is ALL you’ve offered. You’ve disguised your ‘opinion’ with flowery language, but it’s still just that.
OTOH: I have backed MY opinion up with facts: the two situations are NOT identical! (fact) Therefore (cold logic) an identical response is NOT required to avoid a “double standard”. (fact)
Even though, you know, I personally did have a very similar reaction to the two similar cases…
5Cats August 3, 2013, 9:44 PM EST.
whoa there, you don’t have to be a Vulcan or a machine to apply objectivity. In fact where I picked up the trick was in a college level English Lit. course, I kid you not, we actually had to write a report in objective style and in some cases had to discuss writings objectively. I actually found it a lot easier to get to the hidden details and in some cases the core of a story or writing when I stopped reading the story as a story and as just words.
Honestly I don’t know why you’ve gone to insult (for the record, implying that someone is lying is an insult) now, I never insulted you, I even said that subjective view has it’s own strengths. Let me clarify with an example. Let’s say I took a picture of a field at sunset and printed two copies. One in color and the other in grayscale. I have a person look at the color picture, they would see the majesty and beauty of the field, maybe be in awe of the sight. Then I hand them the grayscale one, due to the lack of color they may get bored with it, or be like “eh, it’s okay”. But then they keep looking at it, they start to notice stuff. They see a bit of litter in the field, the see maybe a deer hidden in the treeline, they make out the outline of what was probably a fire pit.
That’s subjective view (the color photo) and objective view (the grayscale photo) in a nutshell. Subjective allows for connecting to a writer, artist, etc and so forth because you’re emotions allow you to empathize, sympathize, or antagonize. Objective allows you to see smaller details hidden in a work. It allows for you to get to not get sidetracked by scale rather, see the smaller issues contained within. Both have their strengths and disadvantages.
I’m not nor have I ever implied superiority in this case. Just that I see something others may not and for the record, those “flowery” words are how I speak thank you very much.
buchanen_neket August 3, 2013, 10:20 PM EST.
Why can’t people just see the neutrality of this situation and enjoy the story
justanotherfan August 3, 2013, 10:39 PM EST.
I’d say the cases are similar enough to be graded, much like how you could grade a class on cooking. If both Mike and Jasmin had to make cookies and both turned in something bitter, Mike’s being a lot more bitter, you would expect them to get grades that reflect this.
But that isn’t the case here, it’s more
Hence the double standard I believe buchanen_neket is getting at.
It is possible to insult someone while criticising them. It’s also possible to insult people while prasing them without meaning to.
Jazmin’s crticisms of Paulo seem more designed to hurt than anything else.
She calls him immature, and says that a relationship with him is no longer worth waiting for, sounds pretty insulting to me.
“As I said before: females handle stress a little bit worse than guys do (proven by HR specialists who are checking reactions in certain situations, not by doing general psychic tests).”
Who are these “HR specialists”, what esle have they done, what did they do to become specialists, what tests did they run, how many people were involved, what were the situations, how long did were the subjects observed, how did they come to this conclusion?
Fifth August 3, 2013, 10:53 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket Insults? When? Where? All I said is: You’re wrong. Your premise is flawed. You shouldn’t say others have a ‘double standard’ without a darn good reason… & ETC.
I’ve gone to great lengths to remain polite… I never accused you of telling lies! Just of being completely wrong… on this ONE specific aspect of the discussion. I didn’t even bring your father or mother into it!
(That last bit is a joke, ok?)
“Your Mama! She so objective…” & etc.
5Cats August 4, 2013, 12:21 AM EST.
Damn, that was a deep cut. I feel those feels with you Paulo.
Eevee August 4, 2013, 12:29 AM EST.
MikexLucyForever August 4, 2013, 1:39 AM EST.
The difference between Mike attacking Lucy and what Jasmine says to Paulo here is that Mike was raging at Lucy out of pain. it WAS malicious, it was MEANT to make her feel bad, it was meant as revenge.
What Jazz is saying to Paulo, while it may be harsh, isn’t first and foremost meant to hurt him. I’m sure it hurts a hell of a lot, nonetheless, but the intent is ENTIRELY different.
While I’m sure she is hurt over Paulo (which shows through in what she’s saying), it’s not causing her to lash out at him. She’s telling him like it is for the sake of telling it like it is, not for the sake of hurting someone who has wronged you.
That’s why this is not a double standard. That’s why it cannot be compared to Mike ruthlessly tearing down Lucy.
Comatose August 4, 2013, 3:03 AM EST.
That stings a bit…but, well and truly deserved, Paulo, my boy.
Grow up a little and come on back.
Gryphon August 4, 2013, 3:10 AM EST.
Bitchy couldn’t have formulated it in a way where her statement didn’t do double-duty as a severe insult?
“mature compared to her age” my ***, she’s just as bad, if not worse than Paulo.
Wouldn’t be surprised if she gets rightfully taken down a few notches because of that.
Don’t give someone else a harsh reality-check without expecting one yourself.
Biff August 4, 2013, 3:18 AM EST.
I am loving the thrashing Paulo is getting right now, yet some people still find a way to call for mikes head. Plus people who seem stuck in the way of Paulo is a saint are calling for jasmine to be set of fire. But the remarks agreeing with jasmine is a nice change from mike being the Anti-C. Lucy, the virgin Mary and Paulo… idk what figure fits how people talk about him, He-man? But one thing is for sure, the turtle is a Lord, dark or not.
And I think Paulo needs to settle with Rachel and Let bygones be bygones and everyone is happy then mike and lucy can be together Yeah, im on a life-raft of that sunken ship, what of it, but I thing in looking at it unbiased, everyone’s’ faults equal one another’s. except sue’s, she is flawless and I fully support mikexsue if it comes to that
Pinecone August 4, 2013, 4:35 AM EST.
You…know…this is actually REALLY close to what I said when I broke up with someone…right after I caught him with another girl…in bed. As cool as that is seeing it here, reading something close to what I said made me think back to it. I only just realized how way too calm about almost anything I am.
GoLeft August 4, 2013, 5:10 AM EST.
Good. Even if you waited nothing is going to progress any further.
Paulo is one of my favourites, but he dug a hole so deep making it pretty difficult to climb out…
Bopbop August 4, 2013, 6:14 AM EST.
Good work Jasmine
Yu August 4, 2013, 6:33 AM EST.
Dayum! That really stabbed my heart.. I used to dislike jasmine but I changed my mind, not that I hate paulo. She’s just more mature to me than paulo…or even myself..>////<
Poor paulo, he also has to deal with this here paulo, let me apply some burn heal for you…
shhh August 4, 2013, 7:17 AM EST.
Why do every single one of the characters in this comic have to be the type of horrible person who loves rubbing salt and lemon juice onto wounds?
Steel Wings August 4, 2013, 7:42 AM EST.
Paulo is a immature *******, yet Jasmine just pulled a bitch move that one-up’s it all.
What a sandy ****.
Nax August 4, 2013, 11:23 AM EST.
@Steel Wings: It’s Bittersweet, that’s why
Mark, the Dude August 4, 2013, 12:20 PM EST.
“You’ve disguised your ‘opinion’ with flowery language, but it’s still just that.”
AKA, you’re bsing us, AKA implication of a lie.
buchanen_neket August 4, 2013, 12:36 PM EST.
HR - means human resources. And I was reffering specifically to raport made by Katarzyna Kloskowska-Kustosz, Katarzyna Lorenc from 4business&people. I won’t suggest you looking it up since it’s a polish company. I’ll try to get you english written source. since I based my oppinion on multiple studies made by people who are working on HR field.
What do they do? Check HR or human resources on wikipedia. What did they done to become specialists? HR is closely linked with psychology. It’s mostly about picking right worker for certain position, keep those workers productive, and do things to keep them more productive.
Checking worker stress endurance is also important. I’m rather sure this sort of things were also checked by people from Harvard. Though this might be limited to business field.
Anyway overall said report proves that both females and males are weaker and stronger on few fields. While women are more likley to break down due to stress, they’re more likley to take on challenge than male. So by no means I say womens are weaker than mans.
Commander_Zero August 4, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket: AKA, you’re bsing us, AKA implication of a lie.
The speaker implies, the viewer INFERS. To claim that I’ve implied something is to assign motives based on… your own emotions? See how that works?
How can you survive on the internets with skin that thin???
Since when is expressing an opinion “a lie”? It might be one, but how would I know? That would be “inferred” by the reader, eh? Making your opinion “sound good” by dressing it in fancy clothes may be a lot of things, but it doesn’t change the factuality of the original opinion. At least not much.
This subject has strayed far from cartoon cats…
(I :heart: Lucy!)
(I’m shipping LucyXJasmine! All the way!)
5Cats August 4, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.
First you were the speaker, I read what I read, so if I “inferred” something it’s because you “implied” something from my point of view. Second, did I say I was upset or anything like that? I just wondered why you had resorted to insult. Then clarified my stance on the previous subject. Third, that’s the least of it, there’s also the accusation of me “tarring” other commentors. It wasn’t an insult, but it was offensive. I never “tarred” anyone, I’ll state this once again, I’m only pointing out something that others seem to not be able to see and it seems i’m not the only one who sees it. A few others here have made sound points on the issue.
buchanen_neket August 4, 2013, 3:19 PM EST.
It’s getting to the point where the only people I like anymore are Daisy and David. She’s nice to everyone and he’s just a good natured idiot.
Dapchmir August 4, 2013, 4:10 PM EST.
Rawr, I love this! Oh, Jazz got him good. Paulo is so gonna retaliate, though. I know it.
Discord5 August 4, 2013, 5:23 PM EST.
I know what HR means, I ment more along the lines of, what do they have to do to become a specalist? I know what is generally needed educationwise to be an HR person, and a doctorate isn’t one of them. So it makes me even more skeptical of any studies they do, as opposted to Doctors and lab personnel. I’ll doubt them too though, if they just come out and say they did studies without releasing any data or enough data.
Either way, I don’t think a possible gender related inablity to handle stress should favor one sex more than the other.
Fifth August 4, 2013, 5:44 PM EST.
I can’t think of any other reason for her to say all of this other than to hurt someone.
I find it especially cowardly and arrogant, as she gets to claim she’s being ‘honest,’ then it’s just meant to vent her butt hurt for him not putting up with her constantly putting him on the back burner.
She was never ‘mature’ with her treatment of Paulo. She just finds it easy to label it as such as she pushed him aside for extracurricular activities. Maturity in interests is not the same as being mature in a relationship.
Blowing someone off for highbrow activities is still blowing them off.
Dr. Z August 4, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.
…..ow she is right but this is one of those pot calling the kettle black moments she has issues of her own
soup August 4, 2013, 6:54 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket & @5cats
I came here today to read a comic about talking cats, dogs, and mice going through high school. I got a multi-paged comprehensive debate about some point that was forgotten by the third or fourth essay post. You have put more thought into this one page than Taeshi did. Are there parrellels between this and December? Yes, are they the same? No, did you both say this 100 times without understanding one another? YES! Next time make the points you want to make but save the arguing for something less trivial.
Misanthrope August 4, 2013, 8:37 PM EST.
Wow. I’m honestly surprised at all the comments against Jazz.
What she did was a logical approach to a situation that could only have gone downhill and towards more pain. She chose not to go down the path of suffering by telling Paulo plain and simple that he needs to not think of her as a viable option. No rebound effect, and no leading him along.
Is Paulo immature? Heck yes. He’s also a teenager. But Jazz is younger than him and still far more mature than he is. She has her priorities straight, and yes she did neglect him during the time they were ‘together’ if you can call it that. Paulo was looking for someone who wanted to be with him despite the fact that he’s spinning his wheels and not even excelling in school, trying to play the ‘bad boy’ attitude.
Lucy fell through the cracks, so he went back to someone with whom he had thought he had a successful relationship with, only to find out that when she started to slow down and make time for him, his decision to jump ship caused her to question the value -he- placed in their relationship, and thusly her value she places in the relationship.
In other words, she chose correctly, and ended it in the single best possible way. What, did you want honeyed words or an attempted get together? That’s one thing I’ve loved about this comic is that it’s so -real-. It doesn’t get into that fantasy relationship dynamic that people want to happen but never actually works when it does.
Reality Check August 4, 2013, 8:51 PM EST.
Sorry, but you need a reality check, Jasmine is acting horrible to him here, and she has no excuse for reacting to his kindness by lashing out verbally.
He is not trying to get back with her, he is trying to be nice and trying to remove the tension between them so they can be FRIENDS without Jasmine constantly storming off on him all the time and she has decided to react by rather coldly telling him he is too immature for her and not even worth her time any more (she knows that will hurt, refer back to Pillow Talk, at the end of their fight, Paulo is upset because he feels like he was wasting her time).
Paulo is actually being the mature one at this moment because he is trying to get past the breakup so they can maintain a friendship and Jasmine is being immature by lashing out at him.
Moogle August 4, 2013, 11:05 PM EST.
Paulo, buddy, now would be a good time to stand up for yourself. I can’t believe how similer him and i are. I started out like him taking a head count on every girl i kissed or fooled around with, then i changed. What would happen is the girls would like me, but if i picked one over the other i got resented by the one i wasn’t with. All the girls are resenting paulo. He’s becomming more and more insecure, however i don’t think its fair what jazz is saying. Ya he is immature, ahdoy, he’s still in highschool! Jazz is the most mature character in the serries, but that doesn’t mean she has to burn paulo like that. Paulo u better stand up for yourself in the next page. PS. Taeshi, is jazz an asian in this world? She’s an overachiever plays violen, good at school. I get an asian school girl vibe out of her.
JustSomeCritic August 4, 2013, 11:24 PM EST.
Wow, just… Wow. Paulo is not having a good week at all.
RyuujiDraco August 4, 2013, 11:25 PM EST.
Oooooohhh….Paulo. -hugs him- That was really cold, Jazzie…really cold.
Aisheyru August 4, 2013, 11:35 PM EST.
Hope this helps guy’s and or girls!
Doctor horse August 4, 2013, 11:58 PM EST.
@Doctor horse Thanks! That really cheered me up after a depressing chapter like this.
I don’t know what Taeshi has planned for the next two pages or the rest of the other chapters, in this case. But whatever she does, I hope that some sweetness will dissolve some of the bitterness that us fans have received lately.
Rocky August 5, 2013, 12:46 AM EST.
I like how Paulo never ever intentionally hurts anybody, but all the time people are picking on him. No wonder he’s insecure, eh? He screws up all the time while trying his best, and people constantly rail on him about it. All he wants is to be happy with a girl.
Jasmine, lay off. What you’re saying looks and sounds mature but it’s really just an immature low blow. Didn’t like it when Mike did this, don’t like it when you do it. Just another nail in the coffin of my dislike for Jasmine.
powys August 5, 2013, 12:47 AM EST.
Given her past plots, i’m sure it will become very depressing for a while after this chapter. Taeshi seems to love depressing stories lately, I’d say the next chapter will be depressing as hell.
Before you go ballistic on me, be advised i’m drunk. also that i’m only stating my personal opinion, further that I mean no offense. Sad stories are good to a fault, i’m just saying it’s became a bit predictable lately. Happy story followed by several sad stories. Again, no offense to Taeshi.
buchanen_neket August 5, 2013, 1:11 AM EST.
Hope that makes up for it!
Lackadaisy Cats = Win!
5Cats August 5, 2013, 1:55 AM EST.
Well …this is a shocker!
A.T. August 5, 2013, 2:21 AM EST.
I like how she’s quick to blame his faults, yet completely ignores her own part.
Because being horribly biased without any kind of self-assessment sure is part of being mature.
Team O August 5, 2013, 4:05 AM EST.
aw man i liked jasmineXpaulo
XenaTheAlienChick August 5, 2013, 4:15 AM EST.
asdfgh JASMINE, YOU… oeh, who Am I kidding? They’re OVER, I want Lucy and Mike to be together too, but, yeah, I guess it’s just another broken dream
C0oOkie August 5, 2013, 6:57 AM EST.
Paulo immature? “Gasp” NEVER! Haha your right Jazzie!
Shira Hoult August 5, 2013, 9:53 AM EST.
Couldn’t agree more.
And what makes Jasmin’s actions all the more selfish and callous?
She KNOWS Paulo’s love interest just suffered something horrible and is not coming back to their school.
And do you see ANY sympathy for Paulo? Any restraint?
I see absolutely NONE.
She only speaks about HER feelings, labels her hurting friend as immature, and walks off. With friends like Jasmine…
Dr. Z August 5, 2013, 11:19 AM EST.
It’s funny that a lot of people are saying Jasmine is bad for saying what she did to Paulo, because he’s heartbroken over Lucy. Making it sound like Jasmine knew who Paulo was going after. Besides, after what she saw it looked like Paulo probably dumped her for Rachel.
Honestly, we witnessed it for ourselves. She found out he liked another girl, he never said who. Sheesh, Jasmine haters these days… can’t even find factual information that could give them a good reason for disliking her.
Riiah August 5, 2013, 11:39 AM EST.
Somebody had to do it. Sorry Paulo, but you do have to grow up ESPECIALLY at this time of chaos.
Jasmine, thank you.
ResidentEddy August 5, 2013, 11:46 AM EST.
Nope. Sorry, that’s not the way it works. You don’t get to go back to being friends with someone who you were in a relationship with, especially not after dumping them for another person.
Feelings still linger. He was wasting her time. She said the harshest thing possible because it keeps him away. You really think that she wouldn’t still remain at least on some level jealous and not feel as if she was worthy?
Her words to him were accurate, precisely what she felt. Could it have been worded better? Yeah, but they’re still teenagers. But they were exactly what she needed to say. Does she still have feelings for him? Possibly. Given the way she’s acting, more likely than not. But she does not want to put herself back on that merri-go-round of feels.
In other words, because she realizes that Paulo is inclined to jump on the emotion locomotion, she’s taking the next stop and getting off the train before it crashes… again.
That, to me, is far, far more mature than her adequate insults towards him to keep him away from her. There is no reconciling the kind of thing he did to her.
Reality Check August 5, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.
Jasmine looks really short in panel 5…
NoName XD August 5, 2013, 5:01 PM EST.
screw you Jas -___- jerk…. *hugs Paulo*
Mew August 6, 2013, 1:51 AM EST.
I was about to respond to some really solid arguments that had such strong meaning* but then I looked at my name from the last time I replied, Biblioholic(retired), and reminded myself I’m off the stuff now.
JUST KIDDING this is a relapse!
People try to argue things without first deducing their own biases and try to base things in an objective manner that are anything but objective.
I like Jazzy. I like logic. Jazzy is being something that my brain interprits with first impressions as logical, though it is not. Ergo I have a naggling little voice in my head that says BAD PAULO AHAHAHA BURRRRN GOOD ONE JAZZY OL CHAP GIVE HIM ANOTHER wait not really that’s enough leave it at that don’t go Mike on his ***. Isn’t it good to get things out in the open where everybody can see them?
Now let’s see if we can’t find an (relatively) objective clause or five: Words hurt. There’s always a better way to have phrased something in hindsight. This is a break up, and in a sense December was also a break up, thus this situation and the big thing that happened in December share situational resemblance to each other. And please don’t try to stop me from saying this, but YES THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD. THERE ALWAYS IS. Of course there is. There is always some degree of bias to a person and we’re just going to have to accept it. It’s just fact. I did not say that all these mighty* arguments which are so very visibly impressive are anchored in bias, merely that people are biased on one level or another.
Okay then. Done with that. Specific examples, yay! Time to listen to Youth, by Daughter while I, quoth the raven, “pwn deez sukkas.” And by that I mean insert a respectful and polite word in edgewise to mediate this fruitless argument. And bring the common sense hammer down so that nobody can tell me that this isn’t fruitless at this point.
@moogle “Sorry, but you need a reality check, Jasmine is acting horrible to him here, and she has no excuse for reacting to his kindness by lashing out verbally.” “he is trying to be nice and trying to remove the tension between them… she has decided to react by rather coldly telling him he is too immature for her and not even worth her time”
Bias. So much bias. At least I know you’re aware of that, you have to be. That being said? You are off in your description of this as lashing out verbally. This is as calm and rational as a fourteen year old girl can get without dipping into robotic territory. Please try to take a step back and admit Paulo is not perfectly right with everything he’s done. Yes, he is insecure and immature and he needs reassurance to make sure he is who he wants to be and says he is. He is also a teenager, and these are the kinds of mistakes that teenagers need to make if they possess the personality that breeds these issues.
Paulo is trying to figure out how to stop himself from indulging in these selfish urges every time he turns around.
For reference, I don’t think she’s saying he wasn’t worth her time. She’s saying, I think, that this aftermath, the glares and the snips she’s giving, the apologies he’s trying to give, their friendship isn’t worth the projected time that it will take for her to be able to stop herself from doing that, stifling the little jealous jump of her heart when she sees him with somebody else. Basically what I’m saying is that she’s in pain too, and she’s not heartless when she’s saying this.
You’re assuming the worst in people, that is a bad habit to get into please listen to me when I tell you that from personal experience. One quickly becomes cynical and bitter about how terrible the world has become, when in reality it, the world that is, is much nicer than one will admit to oneself.
@Reality Check “Nope. Sorry, that’s not the way it works. You don’t get to go back to being friends with someone who you were in a relationship with, especially not after dumping them for another person.”
Oh, now now bias, shut your ***** mouth. And by that I mean a drunken smiley speaking to a metaphysical… metalogical? meta concept, not to you personally.
YOU I will say that I think this is actually what this page is SAYING, that Jasmine feels she can’t really continue to be friends with him being as he is, having that high probability of having that wound prodded on a regular basis just being around him. But again, I don’t think she’s saying he is wasting her time, like it was NEVER worth it or HE was not ever worth it.
“There is no reconciling the kind of thing he did to her.”
ehhhhhh… I know I’ve reconciled worse. I mean, one of my friends committed suicide and my friggin name was in their suicide note!! I’ve had to deal with large portions of people including good friends hearing absolutely horrid things from the grapevine and believing them.They can at least learn to stand each other’s presences, because like I’ve always said it could ALWAYS be worse than it is.
Biblioholic August 6, 2013, 4:52 AM EST.
Final note: this comic’s theme song.
The End, by Allison Weiss.
Biblioholic August 6, 2013, 5:02 AM EST.
@Reality Check: “There is no reconciling the kind of thing he did to her.” That’s a bit too far. I’ve been in Paulo’s situation. Of course, she was bitter at me. She called me stuff like “emotionally unstable jerk”. But thankfully she was willing to put it aside. There’s always the option of forgiving, but it’s hard to forget, which is where you’re correct. “Feelings still linger…” I’m sure she still has some ire towards me, but that’s the consequence. Besides, who’s to say it won’t better over the years?
justanotherfan August 7, 2013, 5:08 AM EST.
…Am I the only one a little disappointed with Jasmine?
Not that I don’t think she’s right about Paulo being immature, but…she’s being just as immature, I feel like. She dumps a guy because she feels she’s not ready to give him a proper commitment, and then she expects him to not move on with his life, because she herself still wanted to date at another point in time? And then she has the nerve to be jealous and dislike him because he shows that he’s attracted to other girls?
Her whole reasoning behind the break-up is ridiculous, and so is the way she acted after it. She shouldn’t have broke up with him in the hopes that he would wait for her when she felt she WAS ready to make the commitment.
And now she’s acting spiteful, throwing the fact that she WILLINGLY quit violin lessons—something she originally stated she wasn’t that into anyway—and calling HIM immature? I realize that break-ups are tough, but I’m a little bit disappointed in you, Jazzy.
Ozma August 13, 2013, 10:39 PM EST.
Paulo CAN be immature at times, but he was mature enough to realize that he couldn’t be happy with Jasmine while he still loved Lucy, not to mention that it would be simply WRONG to decieve her like that.
It was a stupid move to sleep with Rachel, but I’m willing to forgive him because he wasn’t in a proper mindset and regretted it immediately afterwards
Sambo February 21, 2014, 11:26 PM EST.
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