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Comment ID #39307
OH BOY
Elisa
Comment ID #39308
Oof. That must hurt emotionally.
Amione
Comment ID #39309
Well this was satisfying
Frejya
Comment ID #39310
To you.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39311
You missed this: Augustus gets away scot free with bullying Mike. Lucy also gets away scot free after being violent towards Mike. David shows his ass again. James fucks him over and refuses to listen to him and ditches him when its convenient at the words of people he doesn’t know. And now, Mike is in an even worse spot mentally and the only bright side I see, is that it might finally get him away from that toxic ass friend group who he should’ve ragged on more after the way they treated him. Lol. They literally got on his ass for not dating Lucy when he told them he wasn’t interested. Oh yeah, Paulo got off light with that nosebleed.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39312
Oh youre a troll. Got it
Frejya
Comment ID #39313
Nah, you’re just immature and you can’t take the hits you put out. That doesn’t make me a troll, it just makes you toxic and cowardly.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39314
Lol. Run away little coward. Much like the one you stan, it seems that’s all you can do.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39315
@Letrell Walker I’m reporting any of your comments where you’re harassing others. This comic is meant to be a fun place to enjoy a cute story, not be aggressive and insult people. Chill out.
Elizabeth Hunter
Comment ID #39316
Mike has nothing to defend himself with. He knows how badly he screwed up.
Jim Avery
Comment ID #39317
Wow what a look! I didn’t know James could get mad like that
DreamerKay
Comment ID #39318
Ohhh Lord…
CauliFlower
Comment ID #39319
Why do I get the feeling this is a part that is pushing Mike to commit suicide
RAGNAROKEM 888
Comment ID #39320
Mike, it has been four months since you’ve been asked what you actually meant and you still can’t answer that. maybe it’s time to just start admitting to the truth from the start?
SomeColourMage
Comment ID #39321
Oof, Poor Mike 😔.
GamerPrincessXI
Comment ID #39322
Ooooooooooh
baffledBITS
Comment ID #39323
Time for Mike to find new friends! This is a good thing, because we will see new characters!
iluC
Comment ID #39324
the track team WERE the new characters and he fumbled it 😭
Catcata
Comment ID #39325
Maybe he can hang out with a group of girls this time around. Doesn’t he get a lot of valentine cards from random girls anyway?
iluC
Comment ID #39326
Remember the “cheated cheated” incident in earlier chapters?
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39327
Cheater cheater**
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39328
Dodged a bullet but is still in no man’s land hanging out the main cast. They can’t ever catch a break
Red Miso
Comment ID #39329
Mike, how much longer is it going to take to just come clean dude… I’ll always support Mike and await his redemption but cmon dude just can’t keep suppressing yourself.
Sap
Comment ID #39330
Mike keeps getting chances to give his side of things but consistently fails to find it in himself to actually elaborate in any meaningful way, that guilt has to be eating him up so badly, dang.
Antares
Comment ID #39331
FATALITY
Frith
Comment ID #39332
So this is 2 times James has given him now (“Mike is this true” and obvs him turning around now to try and at least get /something/ out of Mike) so I dont wanna hear any of yall saying hes vapid and shallow over this. Especially given the fact that if I had a personal friend and knew that that person drove another to attempt and almost complete suicide, I dont care how deep that friendship runs thats horrid. James is absolutely shallow when it comes to his crushes/affection but I think this is what true like…loyalty and understanding is ya know? At the core of his superficiality he does have a heart and worry about his friends, and knows whats okay and whats not.
Arctic
Comment ID #39333
Also theyre literal teenagers and this is still deeper than some 30 y/os I know 😭
Arctic
Comment ID #39334
THIS. People are acting like James hasn’t actively turned to Mike for answers during this. All he got was Mike either not responding, saying that Lucy was leading him on and then this “I got mad, you don’t understand.”
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39335
I’m not going to not say the truth about James because you don’t like it. He is vapid and shallow, even his track team friends have said that.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39336
Idk how people still defend Mike.
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39337
It’s easy!
esinololly
Comment ID #39338
What’s easy?
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39339
because we can? lol
joey
Comment ID #39340
You can what?
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39341
Intelligence.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39342
What intelligence?
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39343
The intelligence you lack. And the empathy.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39344
Also, if you’re going to keep trolling, or attempting to, know that I always have time.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39345
You’re intelligent but jump straight to ad hominem. I asked a question because your comment didn’t make sense. I have no clue what you are talking about.
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39346
Then you can clarify what you were trying to say. Whose intelligence are you referring to? The characters? Those who defend Mike? Generally speaking? Your comment made no sense. It sounds like you were trying to troll and it failed.
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39347
It’s easy to ‘defend’ Mike, though it depends on what exactly we’re defending here. But in general, to me Mike is more than just his fuck ups, so it’s easy to watch him stumble like an idiot through all of this and still root for him in the end! I want him to be a better person and to treat the people around him better. I KNOW he’s got it in him!!! GO MIKE GO XD
esinololly
Comment ID #39348
I appreciate you explaining. Years ago I liked Mike alot and I find him hard to stomach at the moment. But it would be nice to see him take some accountability
Domo Plushie
Comment ID #39349
No problem! :) and its understandable that Mike lost a lot of fans over the years because even though I love him dearly he NEEDS to take accountability and grow up! he cant heal and become a better person without doing that! Taeshi has mentioned in blogs and such that while Mike is going to go through some serious, depressing stuff, he’s also going to get much better one day and honestly with her writing I cant wait to see how she’ll handle the development of his character!! Im pretty excited to see where this goes because WOW he keeps finding a new rock bottom to fall into!!
esinololly
Comment ID #39350
See and this is your problem mike, stop making excuses and just own up to what you did. The fact that you wont say “yeah i said that and it was wrong” is why people are getting mad at you. No one wants to be fed excuses, they want to see accountability and changed behavior.
Brittany
Comment ID #39351
Mike just come clean
James stop it and just hear him out. You made it kinda obvious you jump from one person to the other without even a second thought.
Not to mention there’s a much deeper history between them too
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39352
Unfortunately Mike has no backbone to come clean, this isn’t his first time dodging his guilt with excuses. I really hope he comes clean following pages but I think James already looks like he already given enough chances and is going to walk away.
I do have a hunch maybe someone from the main table group will go out to Mike once they find out what happened. I still don’t think it’s that easy where all the sudden everyone is inside now… except Mike.
Sap
Comment ID #39353
To be fair to James, Mike has been acting guilty as hell here and fumbling every chance to explain himself. I don’t know if I’d be willing to give Mike much grace if I were in James’ shoes.
Washington BC
Comment ID #39354
Of course, I am not bashing James at all, although as fickle as he is, he was giving Mike certain opportunities even now where everyone walked away and only James is there still Mike giving an excuse. I don’t excuse that from Mike, I really want him to open up and come clean and clear with the situation he had between him and Lucy.
Sap
Comment ID #39355
It kinda sucks cause only one side is told and any chance to explain was shut down immediately.
This was def set up for Mike to eventually finally hit the bottom barrel.
It’s still disgusting what August did.
This isn’t a resolution on both sides, it was set up for one side to win
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39356
@sap Oh I completely agree with you, I was actually responding to Rocky’s initial post. I sent my reply before the page loaded and showed yours 😅
Washington BC
Comment ID #39357
@Washington ahhh all good, it’s hard to know when someone responds to you or not on here lol
Sap
Comment ID #39358
They need a way to highlight our names or something when we reply to someone
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39359
@Rocky I think I’m going to just start @ ing people
Washington BC
Comment ID #39360
Same
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39361
if this wasn’t rock bottom for mike already, it certainly is now. ouuuchhh
Aria
Comment ID #39362
Please let me boy win for once 😔
Sap
Comment ID #39363
Ouch, that’s rough.
Washington BC
Comment ID #39364
This is it. This is where he breaks. Someone get 911 on speed dial
Joselyn Rivera
Comment ID #39365
Wow ……. F##K James , and poor Mike sure he made mistakes but he doesn’t deserve this
ABCDBUTLUR
Comment ID #39366
At this point, Mike cant even make excuses. He cant even lie and say “If I could go back I would never say those things to her” because he meant every word. They were literally finally hanging out again and once Sandy texted him saying she was coming to visit, he switched on Lucy immediately. Thats not okay. Then when Lucy said shes happy for him and wished him the best, he spewed venom and hate at her until she puked and ran home. I dont feel any remorse for Mike for his actions. I only feel bad for him because it hurts to be alone. I believe he needs to make new friends and be less self centered and more humble. Mike is a good person at his core I believe, but right he’s a shitty kid learning how to navigate relationships and take accountability. Wild that this comic has me thinking this deeply about cartoon critters 😅 ive been reading for 16 years
Mearcyn
Comment ID #39367
Weren’t these his new friends too? Track team was a fresh start (until David joined.)
Washington BC
Comment ID #39368
Oof you’re right. Okay, he needs new ‘new’ friends lol and to be honest when called out
Mearcyn
Comment ID #39369
@Mearcyn Thought about it more and want your opinion. What do you think the odds are that Mike would still be able to sit at the track table? David’s going back to the main table, and James will probably follow because of course he would. The rest of the team already know that Mike’s a bit of a trainwreck and still let him join.
Washington BC
Comment ID #39370
Yeah I think they’d let him sit with them until they found out what just happened from James. Oh no, is this going to lead to a rumor spreading around school? Could Mike be even more ostracized than I thought he already was?
Mearcyn
Comment ID #39371
@Mearcyn if that happens, he’s definitely going to try to kill himself. And I already have the likelihood somewhere at 75%-80%
Washington BC
Comment ID #39372
lol to be fair I dont think Mike would ever treat James like he treated Lucy (I dont think Mike will ever treat anyone else like he treated Lucy because of the specific nuance to it) but honestly I dont blame James for wanting to keep his distance anyway
esinololly
Comment ID #39373
I feel for Mike as much as the next guy but I can’t help but shake my head in immediate disapproval at him immediately playing the “You don’t get it / I didn’t mean it / Give me a chance” card, like c’mon man…. You already had the chance to explain yourself Multiple times. His biggest problems are being unable to truly accept and admit that he messed up (key note here that acknowledging and accepting are two different things), and his inability to move on. He’s keeping himself trapped in a cycle by not making the effort to move on, no matter how hard it is. (And he got sooooo sooooo close with joining Track. So Close. But we all know how he fell into bad habits with that, too…)
Arthur
Comment ID #39374
Right? He’s even been given chances to make amends for what he did and put it in the past, but he keeps ruining them. Lucy would have forgiven him in Eternal Flame (but he went right back to Sandy), he told Augustus he’d leave Lucy alone and agreed to go back inside (then went back on his word).
James already knew Mike messed up and “lost his best friend” (from Date Night) and Mike seemed really remorseful at the time — but now James just saw Mike get violent, make excuses, and blame Lucy for what happened. He’s not acting like someone who “didn’t mean it.”
Mandy Seley
Comment ID #39375
I’m so curious how Mike would handle that whole situation if he could go back and change things. I wonder how often he thinks about it. Like, I believe him when he says he didn’t mean what he said — insomuch as he let his emotions get the better off him and he was way WAY more harsh than he should’ve been.
It certainly doesn’t change nor excuse the consequences of what he said, though. He’s gotta let those walls down sometime and own up. I hope we get a symbolic dream/nightmare sequence from him soon — assuming he’s sleeping at all nowadays
whiteboypizza
Comment ID #39376
James rolled a 1 on the self-awareness check when it comes to how often he changes romantic fixations. Even his team mates have foreshadowed previously that he isn’t someone to be romantically involved with. That being said, that was a nasty line. Oof.
Skid
Comment ID #39377
Yeah James said that as if he didn’t have his own issues. No matter, he may very well get the same treatment from David in his own right.
American Psycho
Comment ID #39378
I completely forgive Mike for crashing out in December. But since Lucy came back, he’s repeatedly tried to sabotage her efforts to stop being the person that he claimed to hate.
CauliFlower
Comment ID #39379
IDK, I would be more forgiving of December if Lucy had actually been doing anything wrong there. But she was just being his friend and was even supportive of Sandy, saying she just wanted Mike to be happy, and THEN he unloaded on her. I feel like a lot of people forget that she’d already realized she wasn’t treating him right for a while by that point, and had been trying her best to just be a good friend - so his blowup was really unjustified. Not like he’s an evil person or anything; I just haven’t seen him taking steps to actually grow and be better yet. As Todd said in Bojack Horseman, “you can’t keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about it like that makes it OK! You need! to be! better!”
Snowstar837
Comment ID #39380
I don’t think the crash out was justified either. But like you said, she (and the rest of the group) have been treating him pretty badly for a while now, so I can understand if he had a lot of pent up anger by that point. The timing was definitely awful though.
CauliFlower
Comment ID #39381
@Snowstar837 I think by that point Mike had already been done with her and wanted her to leave him alone. IIRC at the start of that chapter he even threw a hissy fit because he realized he was paired with her for the project, or thought he would be. So by that point he had already decided he wanted to move on. Also, what Cauliflower said
Washington BC
Comment ID #39382
Yeah except she was doing stuff wrong. She wouldn’t leave him alone. He wanted space. Then she tried to kill herself because a boy she bullied for years told her off? Lol. That’s pathetic.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39383
They’ve been dogging him out for years at that point and after. He was well within his rights to go off even harder. Tbh, I think he should cut ties and find a new tribe. This one ain’t worth much.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39384
Kudos, Taeshi, for how accurately this comic captures that “every feeling I have is TOO BIG and I have no idea how to handle it” reality of being a teenager. Man, I do not miss that one bit! XD
Mandy Seley
Comment ID #39385
(Edited out because what I was replying to is no longer there. And no worries!)
Washington BC
Comment ID #39386
(sorry! I edited my comment down to just the last paragraph before Washington BC’s reply loaded!)
Mandy Seley
Comment ID #39387
And here we see the prime reason most Mike Haters hate Mike.
0 accountability. He refuses to ever acknowledge that there was shit on both sides and INSISTS that he’s innocent. Always justified always innocent.
Not gonna say too much on James though considering how fast his switch up from Mike to David was. He barely knows these guys, of COURSE he’s going to want to ditch Mike after hearing all of that and then hearing him go “I just got mad, I didn’t mean it. Please don’t leave me.”
No real, “I did it, I shouldn’t have and I regret it.” Just “I got mad.”
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39388
Adding onto my own comment because I forgot to put this in here:
He wasn’t saying any of that as acknowledgment. He said it because he didn’t want James to leave.
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39389
Yeah, if someone abused me for years, I’d be hard pressed to care about me telling them off.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39390
That’s fair. I don’t think he should be on his knees begging for forgiveness or anything, again, their past friendship was toxic as hell. But ever since she returned he’s been NOTHING but toxic, his attempts to “apologize” always turn to “well things happened I got mad”- which…it’s better to just NOT apologize if you’re going to do that. He’s been lashing out at his friends, no real apologies there. Whenever an argument DOES happen now it’s essentially him pointing at Lucy and going “WELL SHE-” (like we just saw in this argument).
Nobody wants to be around that.
Calico Dragonalia
Comment ID #39391
James sucks in many ways- he is flighty, inconsiderate and selfish (although I do love him, lmao). That being said, I can’t blame him for having a really bad reaction to what he just witnessed. Mike has not done a good job painting himself in a positive light, and he basically all but admitted to using James. I would be upset and confused, too.
Michelle M.
Comment ID #39392
I kinda wonder if that will be brought to attention not by the track team, but David especially
Could make an interesting reality check for him and how he is
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39393
Was waiting to see how things turned out before giving my thoughts to avoid acting on impulse, and it doesn’t seem that Mike has any fighting spirit left so here goes.
Lucy is heavilly twisting the truth of what happened if not outright lying
Mike “leading her on” is equally or more her not being able to let obsession of Mike go
Mike was not leading her on when he got on a bus to find Sandy, explicitly told her to not follow him and she got on like some crazy stalker anyway
Mike was not leading her on when she confessed her feelings to him and he flatout told her no. In fact the entire friendgroup got angry at Mike for not following their favorite ship so at that moment Mike was the only person of the cast to not lead her on. Seriously how do you lead someone on when you straight up say no to their confession?
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39394
Worst part of all is that Lucy is being a massive hypocrite. She is really complaining about being led on when she rebounded to Paulo who she admitted didn’t have any feelings for whenever things weren’t going well with Mike.
She went so far as to have sex with him knowing fully well she was suppose to move away
Mike leading Lucy on is just completely false, that’s not at all what happened.
Mike was going to tell how awefull Lucy was to him, she shut him up with violence and upon realising what she did she went back to her old coping mechanism and played the victim. Twisting the truth to paint Mike as the bad guy while sweeping her actions under the rug.
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39395
It seems you’re mainly focusing on stuff that happened a long time ago, so what’s your take on how Mike used Lucy in Eternal Flame?
Snowstar837
Comment ID #39396
@Kiall I think saying “she shut him up with violence” is a mischaracterization, I think it was more of her temper flaring at (what she felt) was an outrageous accusation and lapsing back to old habits before realizing her mistake. Let’s not ascribe too much malice here, they’re all just stupid teens
Washington BC
Comment ID #39397
When the stuff that happened a long time ago was Lucy being physically abusive to Mike i would argue more people should be focussing on that. Nothing Mike has done has come even close to that
As for Eternal Flame Mike made a mistake but same argument Lucy is being very hypocritical for complaining about it when she did the same but worse with Paulo.
Not to mention that Mike didn’t intent to use her, at the time he thought Sandy was gone and it was only later he found himself between 2 fires and had to choose which heart to break
It also didn’t slip my attention that Lucy wanted nothing to do with Mike untill she heard Sandy was out of the picture where she opened up for him again to instantly hate him when she found out Sandy was back, honestly more proof of Lucy being obsessed with having Mike for herself.
Not sure how cannon it is but in the what if story where Mike dumped Sandy that night it was revealed that Lucy was the one who initiated the kiss. Again not sure how much of it that is true but it doesn’t help Lucy’s “Mike lead me on” claim
Mike was 100% wrong in eternal flame but with them being overly emotional teenagers it was hardly a crime worthy of having to suffer like he’s doing now
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39398
The way i see it she didn’t attack him when he pushed her only friend to the ground but she did the moment he mentioned she wasn’t innocent at that time either.
Now to clarify i don’t think Lucy is acting out of malice, i think Lucy is delusional of what happened and put herself in a victim role to cope with it.
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39399
“It also didn’t slip my attention that Lucy wanted nothing to do with Mike untill she heard Sandy was out of the picture where she opened up for”
this is not what actually happened. when Mike revealed they broke up, Lucy tried to disengage again, because he was acting like she was just going to enjoy his suffering, at which point he forced her into a hug
SomeColourMage
Comment ID #39400
@Snowstar837 I don’t think Mike used Lucy in Eternal Flame. He meant what he said. Because he was truly done with Sandy after learning she cheated. Which is why he’s not happy in the relationship with her now even after staying. Since he’s been checked out.
That night, Mike’s heart chose Lucy. Yet in the end, the things going on in his mind made him forgive Sandy after she called him back crying and begging for forgiveness, not because he loves her. But out of misplaced feelings of obligation. Feeling that Sandy’s actions were his fault and that he had to fix something he never broke.
Since Mike constantly feels like he needs to take the weight of the world on his shoulders. For example with his parents who are likely headed for a divorce. It’s not his marriage to figure out, yet he takes on his parents responsibilities at home out of obligation.
His decision had nothing to do with using Lucy or leading her on. Because Mike truly meant everything he said to her that night and his decision to stay with Sandy is more of a psychological problem than anything else.
Lucy did nothing wrong at all. His decision wasn’t about her or Sandy. It’s just another indicator that he needs to know that It’s not his place to fix everything. Mike needs to understand that he doesn’t have to cut a hole in his own boat, in order to use that piece of wood on another person’s ship to keep it from sinking. Which I believe will become more clear if he ever starts seeing a therapist.
Elmanii
Comment ID #39401
Just reread the chapter, you are right.
I thought the forcefull hug happened before he mentioned Sandy but he does hug her twice.
Doesn’t really take away that Lucy is being very hypocritical and that her “Mike was leading me on” story is full of holes if you look at the entire story.
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39402
Lucy was planning to kill herself when she slept with Paulo. I really dont get why you keep making up stuff about her reasoning that night like that it was for fun or ‘when she knew she was moving away’ and refuse to just say ‘when she was planning to kill herself.’
theoktony
Comment ID #39403
After you
“I already agreed weeks before the play”
“It was my idea to leave the next day”
Talking to paulo about transfering out
“I thought i would get away with it and never have to see you again”
I don’t think she had concrete plans about her suicide attempt at that point, and honestly if she was that would make it even worse.
I don’t see how “let me break one more heart before i die” sounds any better then what i am saying
And regardless of if she was or wasn’t planning it, it doesn’t change that she led Paulo on and is being a hypocrit about complaining Mike did that to her. Especially when it questionable at best
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39404
I see it as karma tbh.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39405
@Kiall I kind of don’t understand you. I’ve seen that you’ve said you tried to look at Lucy differently, but it feels like you’re just dead set on making her the fault for everything. Mike did lead her on. Not in every interaction, but it was obvious when he was using her as a stand in for Sandy. Sometimes he would act very romantically with her which would rightfully confuse her. With Paulo, Lucy wasn’t trying to “break another heart.” She didn’t think Paulo was in love with her, she thought he only wanted to have sex with her because he liked her body. Whether she made any concrete plans on what she was doing that night, her logic was that she was giving him what he wanted: her body. No it’s not right what she did, but that was the way she rationalized it to herself.
Vito
Comment ID #39406
Yeah because she didn’t really own up to it.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39407
Lol. Augustus pressured him into it and Mike is the bad guy for saying nah?
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39408
@Vito I can see that. By Lucy’s logic, she was doing what felt right that night. However, the same applies to all of these kids and the decisions made by them while thinking they were justified in their actions.
Lucy shouldn’t be the only one who gets the benefit of the doubt based on her mental state at the time. Not when all of these children have done something bad at some point, which was a result of how they were feeling at the time. Although some actions were worse than others, it doesn’t change the fact that they’ve all made questionable decisions when they weren’t in the right emotional or mental state.
I’m not blaming Lucy for everything that’s happened, and I never will, because all of these children played a part in what led up to December. Things that are still haunting all of them even now. So if you can see that what Lucy did wasn’t right, while also understanding how her mental state allowed her to internally rationalize those actions. Then you should be able to see that the same logic applies to Mike and the others who also contributed to the buildup and explosive conclusion of December.
Elmanii
Comment ID #39409
How did he lead her on when he was telling her that he wanted her to leave him alone?
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39410
I did try, it is possible to have a stance on something, realise you might be wrong after discussing it and after reviewing it and looking at new developments to reach the same conclussion you had before.
I’ve critisised Mike’s actions in the past too, even in this chapter . So saying i want to make her the fault of everything just isn’t true. The difference between Mike and Lucy is that when Mike makes a mistake he shows regret and tries to make things right while Lucy twists what happened to put herself in a victim role.
Mike was not leading Lucy on, everybody including Lucy was leading Lucy on
After her confession she told the girls in the group what happened and they flat out called Mike an idiot for not following their favorite ship
If Mike deserves to live in isolation for leading Lucy on half the cast deserves to live in isolation
Mike was the only one who was honest with her instead of keeping the delusion of them being together alive
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39411
As for what happened with Paulo in Another Shoulder she made advancements to him and Paulo being the chad that he is turned her down cause her mind wasn’t in the right space. So that should have been very clear to Lucy he didn’t just want her body.
Also she told him “I thought i could get away with it and never have to see you again”. That’s not something you say when you give something you think someone wants, you say that when you took something you wanted and at the time didn’t care how it would hurt the other
So sorry but i think you are just wrong about that. Lucy very much used Paulo for her own pleasure and now is making Mike look like the big bad by accusing him of doing the same thing
Kiall Vun Myeret
Comment ID #39412
Paulo did that, that day, yes. He turned her down because she wasn’t in the right headspace. Which, only makes me more disappointed that he didn’t do that again. Because as you point out, he’s demonstrated it’s a choice he’s able to identify and make for the right reasons so maybe I was giving him too much credit thinking a kid like him might just not have that occur to him yet in the moment. It’s a shame he couldn’t keep up that kind of decent behavior, that you point out is indeed the correct way to behave when someone tries that kind of thing when they’re not in a good headspace.
Used him for her pleasure? What pleasure, man. She didn’t enjoy herself. That much was pretty explicit. She was practically dead inside already. She threw herself off a parking garage right afterward. Yeah, she was thriving at that boy’s expense. Is that what you really believe? She let herself be used because she has a toxic relationship with her own sexuality and desirability.
I genuinely think you are projecting a comical amount of malice and evil onto Lucy where it does not exist. I don’t think Mike deserves to live in isolation. But he’s the one who invited the conversation about who was leading who on in the first place. And it’s very telling that THIS was the grievance he decided to bring up to defend and justify himself when what he said to Lucy was brought up. Because deep down, I don’t think he was lashing out at her the way you are convinced he was, as a scared victim of her abuse. She got too rough, that’s true. And it wasn’t okay. But I really think it was more a matter of them both growing up loving to roughhouse but then…things started going too far little by little, and neither of them realized for a long time. But he told on himself with this incident. what really came to mind for him to harp on, the REAL thing he truly resented her for wasn’t ‘she hit me a lot’ or ‘she abused me’. He could have said either of those things to defend himself, and might have if that’s what he felt. But no, he accuses her of leading him on.
That’s what was behind so much of Mike’s venom towards Lucy in the end. So much of the anger. Not being her scared suffering victim. He was jealous and resentful and set off by her looking at anyone else even after he turned her down. He was always sniping at her at any sign on it, even as late as December and acted possessive. How do you explain that if you really think Mike’s signals were never mixed and her being led on was only ever in her head?
mobsterseeker
Comment ID #39413
People are saying that Mike needs to just open up, take accountability, and tell the truth. Yet has anyone ever thought that maybe he’s just struggling to put it into words as a teen who’s rightfully feeling overwhelmed in this moment? Because after what Augustus just randomly pulled. We’re now expecting this emotional kid to be able to immediately summarize years of pent up emotions that led to one singular explosion to an outsider?
I’m reading what Mike is saying and I completely understand how it may be hard to explain everything that happened and the exact emotions he was feeling when it happened. To someone who wasn’t even there to experience any of it.
Also, is Mike going to be expected to tell everyone about his past every time he makes new friends? Because at this point he might as well not even have friends. If he’s going to be expected to tell every person he meets about what happened with Lucy. Because I can see Augustus or James seeing him making new friends. Only to reignite the rumors and repeat this process all over again.
That would be like any of us meeting someone new and being expected to share our entire life history with them when we first meet. Because if someone were to come along and tell them something about our past. Then we’d be treated like we were wrong for not revealing everything about ourselves day one. When they weren’t even around for that chapter of our lives.
Elmanii
Comment ID #39414
How are you allowed to grow if you keep reminding someone of their past when they are actively trying to change
That isn’t giving them a chance, that’s making them suffocate and sabotage themselves more.
Again I’m still standing by my statement that what August did was disgusting.
This isn’t a resolution on both sides for them to finally open up and owe up and truefully healed
This was a situation set up for one side to win and to just make the other look bad with no chance to even explain or even a chance to grow or apologize.
August likely shutdown any chance for Mike to even explain himself or to even owe up without being look like this.
He dragged his ass through the mud, and shoved his whole face in.
Rocky Wolfknight
Comment ID #39415
No, we need to treat Mike like he’s an adult who can perfectly enunciate all his feelings. He needs to be held to a standard higher than a normal person. Its a good thing he’s not real and can’t hear all the crap people say about him, otherwise he’d REALLY spiral.
American Psycho
Comment ID #39416
But isn’t that exactly what Augustus did? He never shied away from what happened with Daisy. He knew what he did was bad and nobody ever let him forget. It was brought up in almost every single interaction with him. Augustus admitted he was in the wrong, kept his distance from Daisy, did not talk to her, immediately left when he ran into her, and respected her new boundaries. The only recent interactions they’ve been having is b/c Daisy has been inserting herself into his space and even then he makes sure to behave himself. These are the things Mike should have been doing with Lucy. I think b/c of this he can kinda see through Mike’s flimsy resolve and self serving bullshit.
Also ya guys keep making it sound like Augustus did this for every single interaction Mike has had when the only reason this happened was b/c Mike deliberately went back on his word of staying away during lunch. It just highlights Mike’s inconsistency and his habit of shifting the blame instead of taking accountability for his own choices.
Machias
Comment ID #39417
@Machias While I understand what you’re saying. You also have to acknowledge that after Mike kept the original promise, Augustus had no right to approach him a second time. Especially, not to corner Mike and pressure him into agreeing to something Augustus shouldn’t have even gotten close enough to ask in the first place.
I get Augustus was worried for Lucy and trying to help. However, she never explicitly said that her recent spiral had anything to do with Mike. Augustus assumed that on his own with no proof based solely on their past history.
That isn’t right no matter how anyone tries to spin it. At the end of the day, whether we like it or not. Augustus pressured Mike into agreeing to his unnecessary demands under duress.
If someone had done what Augustus did to try and obtain a confession from someone in the court of law. That confession would be thrown out at trial. So why are we pretending that Augustus pressuring him to stay inside was okay? And why do we believe Mike’s word after being pressured in such a situation should be binding?
Imagine that you witnessed me corner someone and then proceed to pressure them into accepting my demands. Would you tell the person that I cornered that they’re a terrible person for not doing what I said when you witnessed them only agree because they were pressured to?
Even if I were to think I was right in that situation. My actions still would have been wrong and the person involved would have no reason to follow through on what I made them promise me under duress.
P.S. the only people Augustus should’ve gone to concerning Lucy’s recent mental health is her parents. Yet if any of these kids were capable of talking to an actual adult about their current problems. Then we likely could’ve avoided a lot of the things that led up to this very moment.
Elmanii
Comment ID #39418
@Elmanii But Mike didn’t keep the original promise though either. He approached her again after she left the arcade to get away from him in Link Play. Lucy even promptly had to remind Mike that he told Augustus he wouldn’t speak to her again. Which also confirms that Lucy is FINE with Augustus being her bulwark from Mike. Everything Augustus does, Lucy knows and he has her approval.
Augustus was right to worry for her and assume Mike was the cause b/c most of Lucy’s problems have to do with Mike. Not only that Lucy is known to not always be up front with her feelings. This assertiveness from Augustus is why HE was the one to save her when she tried to kill herself and not her other “close” friends. She also tensed up when she first noticed Mike running in the field during lunch so it clearly bothered her despite saying otherwise.
Also Augustus did NOT coerce Mike when he asked him to give Lucy space during lunch time. He didn’t corner Mike alone in some back alley, threaten him with violence, tower over him, blackmail him, or repeatedly cut him off in the conversation. Augustus approached/spoke to Mike politely, kept a respectful distance, they were in a populated school hallway with many onlookers, and he only cut Mike off the one time when he said he didn’t care how Mike feels which is fair b/c he is NOT Mike’s friend. Augustus also has a right to be cold to Mike b/c this is the SECOND time he has to tell him to stay away from Lucy. Mike did not keep his initial promise.
Now if Mike had initially refused Augustus’s request and Augustus did this then that would be another story. However Mike not only agreed to Augustus’s request, he then proceeded to do the complete opposite of it without any heads-up. Mike lied to Augustus’s face yet again.
Lastly this isn’t a trial and honestly Augustus did James a favor b/c Mike WAS taking advantage of James. There was an entire table of kids who wanted to hang out with Mike so what made James different? It’s b/c James had a romantic interest in Mike that made him the center of James world. Mike wanted that attention/affection to continue without having to commit which Augustus hit the nails on the head. Case in point Mike’s now even tried to guilt trip James over a book now that he’s trying to pursue a relationship with David & not focusing on him. That wasn’t friendship; he was just using James to make himself feel better.
Machias
Comment ID #39419
I can see August doing that (spreading rumors to destroy friendships), not James.
He may hate Mike right now, but I doubt he is that spiteful! He may tell his friends about what happened, I don’t know how that’s gonna play out (probably not well.)
Heartz13
Comment ID #39420
Augustus definitely cornered him in the hallway and pressured him into agreeing.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39421
They hate Mike and they stan Lucy because they’re toxic like her. They aren’t going to stop roasting him.
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39422
Supposed to be 12 pages left. I hope this is his rock bottom. Only one way it could get worse from here. 🫣😟
PAM
Comment ID #39423
Stop James, he’s already dead……
Apri
Comment ID #39424
Damn
theoktony
Comment ID #39425
I really would love it if James puts together the day that Mike tried to get them to stay inside. Like, the track team LITERALLY gave him an alternate out, but Mike still latched onto the one person who had shown romantic interest in him as the only option (and the one worth hurting Lucy over). That’s not a good show of change behavior from what was revealed here at all.
Sugar Jalisco-Kardia
Comment ID #39426
Imagine if Mike tells Sandy she deserves better and then decides to use the school roof to learn how to fly. What would make it even crazier is if Lucy was the one to find him.
Ethan Mazur
Comment ID #39427
@Ethan Mazur I think there’s a good chance that happens
Washington BC
Comment ID #39428
At this point, I think we’d be more surprised if that doesn’t happen.
PAM
Comment ID #39429
Every following page feels like another hit of the hammer to the nail in the coffin oofffff… Here’s my thing about James changing his interest often. James falls for people easily and is the one putting his feelings on the line pursuing them (regardless of it being short lived but he is baring his heart.) Mike doesn’t have to put his feelings on the line because he already knows he doesn’t like these people back but leads them on because he likes the “worth” it gives him. Now they’re all moving on because he turned them down and suddenly he’s panicking because he thinks he has no worth anymore.
Vito
Comment ID #39430
What?
Latrell Walker
Comment ID #39431
You sure did, James. You sure did.
SCD
Comment ID #39432
I honestly hope at some point, he talks to paulo about it. It might put a little bit more perspective.
Heartz13
Comment ID #39433
I want to be annoyed at James, but Mike’s final response here has me disappointed. The one time I want to feel bad for Mike and he biffs it! Come on, man. No one’s gonna buy “I’m sowwy. Please feel bad for me uwu” Like this is what he always does….
Nev Ravenoak
Comment ID #39434
So fun fact you can block people from seeing comments if you don’t like them. cool.
Frejya
Comment ID #39435
Yeah, I blocked that dude last week because he was spamming and really negative/aggressive.
Nev Ravenoak
Comment ID #39436
Okay so he was angry troll. Nice
Frejya
Comment ID #39437
I went back and read all the comments and I really don’t blame you ❤️🩹 thats one reason iv been way more quiet lately on the comments sections, so I definitely feel that ❤️🩹 good to know to for future reference.
Sky TheTiny'mhytee
Comment ID #39438
yeah, not going to name names (besides, if you can read this, it’s not you), but they were getting absurdly aggressive in their “Mike did nothing wrong” stance
and honestly, when you believe a stance like that it makes the story less interesting! nearly everyone has done something blatantly, incredibly wrong! (the clean records would be Matt and Amaya, I guess) but they’re mostly trying to fix themselves, and in Mike’s case he’s made some of the biggest mistakes, and it can’t be long before he turns a corner (I know many believe that this won’t help, which is fair, but I do trust some of Taeshi’s comments that state that he will eventually get better)
SomeColourMage
Comment ID #39439
Regardless of who you ‘stan’ or ship we’re here for the love of the comic and it should be fun to have debates over our favorite characters.
I also found it funny that said person said I ‘stan’ Lucy because Nope bro I’m a Sue fan alllll the way. My girl can do no wrong (sometimes)
Frejya
Comment ID #39440
Sue’s in a place where she’s done wrong but instead of causing long term social problems it mostly just backfires on her lmao
SomeColourMage
Comment ID #39441
And I lovingly watch her grow every time she messes up
Frejya
Comment ID #39442
The only way this gets worse is if James says something along the lines of ‘the wrong person jumped’ as a parting shot.
Slipdance
Comment ID #39443
That would be a crazy turn of events
arjay
Comment ID #39444
I was at first confused by James’ intensity here? But then I went and reread this chapter focusing solely on the fickle baby and, yeah, no, I would probably be this upset too. Mike all but confirmed he was trying to use James as someone to keep around for validation, and this last line would sort of confirm it for me, if I was in this cat’s shoes.
Comacoma
Comment ID #39445
BUT ALSO (as I was rereading this comic *again*) this scene parallels, I think, page 31 of December??? Lucy (or Mike here) saying *don’t leave*, Mike (James) replying in venom??? (*And I have to wonder if December was a lot of projection on Mike’s part, with how he’s developed since; “nobody can love you for who you are, they only like you for your *looks*”, and Mike constantly has people displaying romantic interest in him left and right to where he doesn’t trust them to stick around if they *aren’t* interested in him in some way, which would explain him choosing to chase James over the track team friends imho. At least he knows James *used* to have a thing for him, maybe he can reclaim that loyalty. Fffft, Lucy and Mike are really two sides of the same coin!)
Comacoma
Comment ID #39446
honestly, if you go back to the December speech, Mike confirms he’s projecting mid-speech. everyone only tolerates him as long as he tolerates Lucy, but if he leaves everyone will abandon her and follow him? sure, dude…
hell he didn’t even include everyone because it’s pretty obvious there’s no chance in hell Sue would pick him over Lucy
SomeColourMage
Comment ID #39447
I really like the notion of this being a parallel to December. Truly hammers home how much of it was projection on Mike’s part. Also, if you compare what Mike said to Lucy vs what was said to Mike here, you can see the difference being one of lies (Mike saying hurtful things to push Lucy away) vs truth (Mike’s actions being brought to light, everyone missing Lucy, etc).
Nev Ravenoak
Comment ID #39448
James and David would make a cute couple ^-^
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