80. Happy Hour, page posted 11/15/13

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Comment ID #265774

Here it comes!

Anoukk November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265775

72 hours D:

Jonas97face November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265776

You acted like a jerk.

kami November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265777

Here it comes

Rena November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265778

And thus… it begins…

kaminari683 November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265779

history essay?

Faith November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265780

Ooh, is Mike going to let it slip?

Joey November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265781

Heeeeere we go… D:

TheLazyCharmander November 15, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265782

Darn you cliff hanger! I easterly await Monday!

Wingz November 15, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265783

72 hours, but finally.

Sahchan November 15, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #265785

@Faith
In ”December” Lucy and Mike were doing a history essay

Jonas97face November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265786

Easterly? O.o … =_= I meant eagerly…

Wingz November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265787

This comic makes me hats weekends :nope:

Mariasona November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265788

Suddenly… FLASHBACK

ThatOneGuy November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265789

And here…we…go…

Damage November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265790

…INCOMING CONFESSION! Oh this is exciting! Let it out Mike! Let the truth be known!

Jayden November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265791

Yaaaay, they will hear what happend 8-)

Selef November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265792

Now will this be his confession or has he reached the point of drunkenness where he will just spout gibberish.

Chrisd765 November 15, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265793

*hate lel

Mariasona November 15, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265794

It’s not always your fault mike. But this time it was. You kinda snapped and even if you didn’t mean to say what you said you still said it.

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265795

He is gonna put a better spin on it from his point of view.

Fluffy November 15, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265796

Could it be that Lucy told Jessica what happened? :smirk:

Pepe Le Pew November 15, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265797

**** it, peace i’m out. I see where this is going (alcohol, a confession that’s going to get twisted around to make an innocent into a bad guy, undeserved self blame) and I don’t agree with it (from both a narrative view and a personal one). So peace ya’ll i’ll be back when this **** storm blows over (save for lurking and snapping at a few people i’m inevitably going to snap at).

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265798

Such pessimism.

I honestly can’t handle this pace. Ugggggh…

Hawz November 15, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265799

IT BEGAN

Jerkface November 15, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #265800

OH NO IT’S A FRIDAY YOU TIMED THIS DIDN’T YOU
all frantic friday nonsense aside you did shove her over the edge, mike

Landy November 15, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265801

I agree that mike went too far in December, but I also agree with what he’s saying here.
He didn’t go into December intending to break Lucy - he simply wanted to be left alone by her.
Their friends have always stood up for Lucy. they never reacted when she hit him, called him a jerk, and even called him an idiot for not reciprocating Lucy’s feelings when he was already in a relationship. And when she confessed her love, she KNEW he was already in a relationship, and upon being rejected made a huge deal out of it in front of their friends, who then called him a jerk because “Lucy had the guts to finally confess, so you should just dump the girlfriend who actually treats you right and get with the girl who treated you like a babysitter for 10 years”.
Then he was cast alongside her in the play (remember when Lucy said let’s break a elf and went to shake his hand? Miles initial response was a smile and “aww” until she slapped him round the face).
Then abbeys speech about bullying opened mikes eyes to the fact that Lucy’s issues did not give her a free pass to bully him.

So yeah mike acted like a jerk, but Lucy did AS WELL. they both hurt each other, and they are both to blame.
And I know the mike haters are like “he’s a coward he doesn’t care” he obviously does.
Despite thinking he hated her he still ran to the hospital to check she was okay. He cried when he realised what he’d done, he comforted Paulo when he was crying despite Paulo punching him for what we now know was no adequate reason. He also seems to be the only person at this party who gives a damn about Rachel and the fact Paulo is supposed to be her boyfriend now and treats her like ****.

Harsh but true November 15, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #265802

@buchanen_neket
Oh shut it. I think the story is progressing wonderfully.

kami November 15, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #265803

Pull up you chairs folks. Dis gonna be good!

Wheatly November 15, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #265804

Come on, please… am I the only one who doesn’t want this to happen!? :question:

FXMaster November 15, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265805

Maybe because you keeping ****ing up, Mike.

Fyre November 15, 2013, 1:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265806

Rachel has a nice couch.

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265807

Mike needs to be replaced as a friend first, and then maybe he’ll learn to actually value his should-be-gf more

guavacados November 15, 2013, 1:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #265808

…why do I have a feeling that he’s going to try lying his way out of this?

Rook November 15, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #265809

Unless some miracle happens kami, mike’s going to get demonized for something that he had every right to do. The narrative is going to get twisted around to make it seem Lucy was the victim and Mike’s the devil incarnate. I can already sense it, the vibe is just to strong. Also Taeshi better be bringing lucy back in the next couple chapters because you can’t drop a bomb like this and leave it at that, the only reason to do that is to torture a character who as I’ve viciously fought doesn’t deserve the torture. Maybe he didn’t have the right to go to the extreme he did, but he still had the right to part of what he did.

And i’m going to stop there, before I get any more hot under the collar.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #265810

Why do I have the feeling he will say only halve truth :smirk:

EvilKitty3 November 15, 2013, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #265811

@buchanen_neket sweetie, you may want to make a step back from the comment section about that topic and just enjoy the comic. :)

EvilKitty3 November 15, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265812

Random Jessica shot. :smirk:
Still can’t find any ***** to give about Mike’s sorrow, here.

StraightFace November 15, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265813

Great party bruh.

etyb November 15, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265814

@Harsh but true As is says on TVTropes, this comic is a perfect example of “Abuse is ok when it’s Female on Male”

$adiq November 15, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265815

Cant wait to see how Paulo’s gonna handle his “best friend” now..

KK November 15, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265816

The history essay…I f***in’ failed it, man. F***in’ failed it…

Blank On Purpose November 15, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #265818

@buchanen_neket no one cares

Future November 15, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #265819

Oh man oh man oh man! This is gonna be good! Sumthin’s gonna happen! 8-D but I have no idea what.

OH HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES!…

…wait…I HAVE to WAIT until MONDAY?! Nooooooooooooooo….

BTW I don’t totally blame Mike for the Lucy’s fate. He just didn’t know how to handle the situation right. He tried to get along with her after the play, and he does care about her. He’s just scared. :unsure:

Ammonite November 15, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #265820

Yeah and what do you think i’m so ****** about, future? Many of the commenters have the exact mentality of the trope $adiq pointed out. If the roles were reversed a male abusing a female and the female retaliated verbally causing the male to try and kill himself then they wouldn’t be near as quick to want retribution on the female. Battered woman’s defense and all that.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265821

ten bucks says he’s going to lean the telling his way

TGH November 15, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265823

@$adiq atleast its a good story based comic. In my case it is other way around in real life or so at least always was in my childhood :/

EvilKitty3 November 15, 2013, 1:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #265824

Finally, he’s now starting to confess; too bad now we have this cliffhanger of what is going to happen next week.

While Mike does have a point about Lucy needing too much from him, he went too far into telling her about how he feels. Its okay to be upset about someone but being incredibly hostile to them like they’re evil is injustice.

Keyblade Dragon November 15, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #265825

oh man. Mike’s coming clean.

SXR123 November 15, 2013, 1:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265826

:T well well then

Xanopt1con November 15, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265827

@buchanen_neket Taeshi wouldn’t do that. She’s been constantly defending Mike all this time since the “December” chapter. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t have his part in this, because he did. He just isn’t as “evil” and “cruel” as most people, including a few of his friends (Paulo mainly), make him out to be. If you had a friend that constantly hurt you, even if you did nothing to correct them and dissmissed their behavior, you still have every right to break that friendship off. But he did it in the worst way possible, with the intention to kill off every neuron left in her brain. He knew she was weak, and trying her best to fix things with him, but he turned it around and instead became the bully. No kid deserves to hear insults like that.

If you can’t acknowledge that they were both equally wrong, and that Mike NEEDS to tell his friends the true story and both their parts of it, i’m sorry to say you should stay away from this comic for a while.

Btw, while it’s true people tend to side with women when it comes to violence, aren’t you one of those who defends Mike to all extent? If so, then your argument about women always being favored is false. There will always be people who defend both sides of the story, there will only be understanding when we look at from in between…

Yelikarts November 15, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #265828

I bet he throw up while talking and won’t say anything. And then ****ing everyone will start throwing up. And then Seth MacFarlane will sue Taeshi.

@ToLazyToCopyPasteStridersNewNameScrewThis
is funny because Strider is raging so hard, he’s most likely keeping his whole city warm. Anyway I really like your persistant “eye for an eye philosophy” though after re-checking stuff that is confirmed (we saw Mike hurt because of Lucy TWICE, rest of this stuff was retconned, and treating it seriously is SILLY) it’s more of an “being run through with a tank, for an eye”.

Ok here are some word of truth: Mike is a boi. He could do many things: defend himself (lame) or he could take a big step back, told Lucy that he won’t accept this sort of behaviour anymore, and go live his life.

What he done instead? “It’s okay, it’s okay, it’s okay… NO IT’S SUDDENLY NOT OKAY, GO DIE UNDER A ROCK NOBODY LOVES YOU… brb mommy came so I’ll go back to being a nice boy now, k thx bye”.
Sorry but he couldn’t get himself out of the mess and when he did he did it in worst possible way. So yeah, Lucy is no saint, but Mike is not an innocent victim.

Also: I hope Mike’s balls are going to be torn off in next few pages. He weren’t using them anyway.

Commander_Zero November 15, 2013, 1:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #265829

WHY DO YOU ALWAYS PICK FRIDAY FOR THE BIGGER-THAN-USUAL CLIFFHANGERS TAESHI YOURE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE I AM 100% CONVINCED

Whimsicott November 15, 2013, 1:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #265830

This doesn’t look very good for Mike

Justadude November 15, 2013, 1:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #265831

I hope Mike won’t be crucified or something…

Tiido November 15, 2013, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #265832

Something funny came to my mind: people would rage so hard if Mike would tell his version of this story!

Commander_Zero November 15, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265833

‘And I go back to December all the time’ … Too late Mike.. Too late.. :/

Lol November 15, 2013, 2:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #265834

… Finally.

ResidentEddy November 15, 2013, 2:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265835

Because it is your fault Mike. Even Sandy said so.

June-pay Eeyorey November 15, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265836

I have no idea why i haven’t noticed it before now but all of Taeshi`s comments are just pure gold XD

Nahuoth November 15, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265837

Ehh, people victimize Lucy without really considering that she’s a jerk. Don’t get me wrong, I think Lucy is fantastic, but she /does/ in fact carry much of the blame when it comes to her and Mike’s blowups. It’s always about her, and Mike is always the bad guy. (Of course this was reversed in the fight after the play, when Mike told her he hated her. That was also unwarranted.)

I dunno. I guess what I really want is a page where people have no reason to complain about any character conflicts, or who’s right/wrong. The whole Mike vs Lucy debate is getting old.

EvilCoffeeInc November 15, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #265838

Okay, Yellikarts, Taeshi might not personally intend that. But any serious retribution has that effect. Any serious retribution says that mike had no right to defend himself against his abuser. This is one of those “it’s either all okay or it isn’t” moments. If Mike suffers retribution then it’s following the trope that $adiq pointed out. It’s similar to when a judge has to decide a homicide where a female killed her abusive husband. Ultimately the judge has to decide if the murder was valid because of a history of abuse thus declaring self defense. If he doesn’t and declares a verdict of guilty then he’s saying those in those situations have no right to defend themselves.

@Commander_Zero,
As I’ve said many times before in the past, we have that perspective because we have the 4th wall. Mike doesn’t and there was NOTHING in the comic to show he had the slightest clue of Lucy “trying” to change. I put the trying to because there’s no real evidence of genuine change, more just an adaptation to try and win her friend back, there is evidence though to the opposite happening due to having lucy self harm, another form of abuse. Also, no, the change in mike wasn’t sudden, go reread yesterday’s comments. It was pointed out that there was a gradual shift in Mike, so no it wasn’t that it “suddenly” became not okay.

And you really don’t want to start with that “he’s a boy” crap. Boys can go through similar emotional and psychological trauma as a female can. They can get caught in an abusive relationship and show the exact same ****in’ signs a female will. so don’t give me that crap, gender does NOT matter in this situation.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 2:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #265839

@Yelikarts
You do have a very good point, however, when you say that they were equally wrong. Mike was a total dick, yes, and Lucy is constantly ragging on him. I just find that Mike is picked on more, and treated more poorly by the characters AND community, even though he historically has tried to be the good guy more often.
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EvilCoffeeInc November 15, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #265840

The moment we’ve all been waiting for!… Is next Monday! Well, they sure know how to keep us hooked.

13lackout November 15, 2013, 2:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #265841

Ah. The whole “I HATE YOU!” shiz.

Gotcha.

Also, I like how Mike’s a Leo. Really self-centered, ahaha.
Pretty sure that was unintentional, though.

XOX November 15, 2013, 2:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #265842

It’s easy to not feel guilt when you believe that your words won’t have conciquences, or that you’re truly in the right.

Now that he’s seen that is actions effect everyone, not just the person that they were aimed at, any inkling of guilt that he once had hits tenfold.

His cloud nine is falling, and he’s about to hit the ground hard.

Purple haze November 15, 2013, 2:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265843

XOX,

Leo’s have a really hot temper, they’re not self centered. I should know I am one.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265844

brb making popcorn.

MobileCrusader November 15, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265845

And thus, the beginning of the end of the group.

TACarbuncle November 15, 2013, 2:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265846

@buchanen_neket
Leos have really hot tempers, and are self centered. I should know, I dated one. =P

Mysterion November 15, 2013, 2:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #265847

then I must be an exception to that part of the horoscope then mysterion.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 2:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #265848

Well buchanen, I was sort of half-joking. Besides, sun signs are just the base form, right? You’ve also got all the planetary positions and I don’t know, moon phases maybe? to tweak the base sign. So even in Astrology, you don’t get, ‘Everyone born this month is this way no variation!’ so you can’t really call rules/exceptions based on just a few individuals, yeah?

Mysterion November 15, 2013, 2:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265849

True, I just wanted to counter XOX’s implication that Mike is self centered because of his sign (I don’t think he is, but that was the implication XOX made). It’s insulting to us Leo’s.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 2:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #265850

@Harsh_but_True

I agree with you completely save for the topic of their friends; true they acted a bit biased around Lucy but that was because Mike TAUGHT them to be that way. Back in middle school they all realized Lucy’s behavior was wrong and they didn’t really like her because of it and even teased her, but Mike was head over heels for her and understood Lucy differently and even reprimanded them for it (like the chapter where they got lost). That is basically years of conditioning right there. Is it wrong? Yes, but when they called it out Mike brushed them off and that was his own doing…. now they just consider it “normal”.

Termania November 15, 2013, 2:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265851

Why? WHY?! Why do you think Mike?! Furious Abbey

I hope someone kicks his *** when he finally blurts out what he did…

SpiritWolf15x November 15, 2013, 2:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #265852

This is the moment many have been waiting for; A moment I feared would occur but knew was technically necessary. Mike you did bad but you are young, and I hope the end of all this isn’t too hellish for you. Though I fear it will be.

Damonashu November 15, 2013, 2:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #265853

BCB! Why you do this to me?! Darn cliffhangers… Furious Abbey

Quill November 15, 2013, 3:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265854

? :o what do you mean, mike?

Rg November 15, 2013, 3:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265855

Well, if you really put it into consideration, ,,December” was, for the most part, an unfortunate stream of events that led to an over the top explosion.
(If Mike kept his mouth shut during class he would’ve been paired with Sue; If Lucy let Mike do the essay on his own; If Sandy didn’t text him;If Lucy just left when he told her so; etc. :/ )
Mike saying he hates Lucy,whether he fully meant it or not, was and is his right but what made me form a deep disdain for Mike was:
a) the fact that he spoke not only in his own name but all of the others as well
b)he threatened or better yet promised to make sure she gets left behind
c)basically called her worthless
d) Last but not least, he had set out not only to destroy any form of relations left between them but Lucy herself
And if that doesn’t call for at least a little grief on his part then I don’t know what does Mad Lucy

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 3:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #265856

And B-dawg, you’ve never said anything at no point in your life out of anger that you regret saying afterwards. But seriously, Termania actually made a good point “in middle school they all realized Lucy’s behavior was wrong and they didn’t really like her because of it and even teased her” that’s actually true (although I contend that taking advice from someone who’s delusional might not be the best idea). If they found out Mike’s perspective, about what he was going through as a result of being Lucy’s caretaker. Do you think they would have said “oh you’re being too sensitive” OR could it not be possible that B) become a plausible future. Yes he over did it, but he did have a valid point if her friends understood Mike’s angle (something NONE of them took the time to find out) then they may not have been so accepting of her. as for D) no he did not intend to destroy Lucy herself, he was angry, furious even, you say really harsh things when you’re angry. Even things you’d never say otherwise, anger has a neat little trick of momentarily shutting off your inhibitions making you act and do things you’d never do in any other state.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 3:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265857

I like how half the comments are arguing about who’s fault was who’s, and then the other half is about wanting Mike’s *** handed to him or him twisting the story around to him. If anything, he’s drunk, and no one can predict drunk people. But, everyone knows that if you’re drunk, you tell the truth.

Sono November 15, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265858

@buchanen_neket although the part about the gang leaving her could have been true at the time, it’s not actually something you mention to a person you just want to leave you alone.There’s a big difference between: ,,F*ck off! I don’t wanna be around the likes of you!” and ,,Go die in a dark hole because that’ll make me really happy!” ( I made it really dramatic only to make the difference more clearer ;) )

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 3:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265859

And as for the anger part… well let me put it this way: If you kill someone out of anger or jealousy it’s called a crime of passion… point is you still go to jail chump :) even if you didn’t mean it *sarcasm*

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 3:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265860

It’s not always your fault Mike, it’s just when you push all the blame onto other people and assume you did nothin wrong, even if some of the blame is your own.

And really, what happened was equal parts Mike and Lucy’s fault.

Gabba November 15, 2013, 3:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265861

@buchanen_neket

Ugh. Checking an old update and I don’t even to read those angry messages. I can already imagine the know-it-all opinions.

Blah blah blah, my extreme all-knowing experiences relate to Mike, Blah blah blah he had no fault in Lucy’s cowardly suicide or depression, blah blah blah depression can’t be diagnosed so why are we treating for it or assuming it is affecting Lucy blah blah blah she deserved to be torn down because Mike had a male chauvinistic duty to put her in her place blah blah blah men today are expected to be whiny bitches and Mike finally told her off like a REAL man blah blah blah I think teen sex is totally fine because I lost it at 14 and how dare you suggest otherwise blah blah blah OMG are they really drinking alcohol as TEENS? the consequences! Blah blah blah women don’t actually have body issues that’s just an excuse for women to be lazy and fat.

Seriously. Do you ever actually read the things that come out of your keyboard throughout the comic? I’m amazed they haven’t banned you yet.

Honestly November 15, 2013, 3:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265862

Becuz this is kinda his fault….

Angel November 15, 2013, 3:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265863

I love Jessica’s expression in the second panel. I found it perfect to the situation because it’s not accusing. It’s not judging, it’s just -tired- and sympathetic. Almost like when you’re hiding something from your mother and she knows and than gives you THAT look right before you finally break down and tell her what’s bothering you.

Isqi November 15, 2013, 3:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #265864

I don’t know why but I have a feeling he is going to fall asleep 8-D

Midstrike November 15, 2013, 3:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #265865

must’ve been a really hard assignment…

Oxenkses November 15, 2013, 3:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #265866

@B-dawg
you are aware self defense trumps crime of passion right? Like say for instance you come in on your wife cheating on you, you start an argument and the guy she’s sleeping with pulls a gun to try and kill you. You get in a scuffle and the weapon discharges killing the one who drew the weapon. That’d be declared a self defense kill and it’d supersede the crime of passion charge or invol. manslaughter charge.

@Honestly,
I could come at you multiple ways, I could **** with your head, I could mess with your sense of morality. But quite frankly that little speech of yours says it for me, unintelligible babble that shows the narrow vision and closed mindedness some have around here. and no they wouldn’t ban me because I do stay on topic (90% of the time) and my comments offer a different perspective counter to all the Mike hate. You do realize how bad you look right now right?

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 3:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #265867

@buchanen_neket And are you aware that self defence is only if you were attacked at that moment and your life was in danger? Or do you just lift up your shirt and say ,,Hey Officer! See this scar? Yeah well the guy I killed did that to me, so that makes me innocent” 8-D
In other words Lucy did nothing to provoke the reaction Mike had ( in that moment) so you can’t write it of as self defence ( ****, in my country we basically don’t have the self defence card D: )
Did you edit? ‘Cause I’m pretty sure that wasn’t there when I looked the last time. But my point stands.

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 4:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265869

Ummmm, yeah go back and read what I said about mike’s perception of that specific situation. As in a self defense case perception is everything (just ask George Zimmerman), seems to me Mike believed Lucy was trying to manipulate him back into an abusive relationship. Further it’s debatable but he could have believed she’d turn back to her other self if the manipulation didn’t work (like I said when he snapped out of his delusion it’s probable that he saw two Lucy’s the “nice” manipulative Lucy and the kick your *** at a pin drop Lucy). So from a certain perspective he saw he was in danger and attacked (verbally) to drive her off.

Also it’s imminent danger to life or self. Self includes just physical harm, such as assault or mutilation. It’s also hugely based around perception, you have to perceive yourself in critical danger because caused you to perceive that is what you have to prove. Further, you’re only allowed reasonable force to end the save yourself. If the person has a weapon then you are permitted lethal force. If the person is bare handed you’re permitted hand to hand to protect yourself in the event all other options have been exhausted.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 4:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #265870

@buchanen_neket

Certainly nowhere near close to as bad as the intolerable angry arguing you do. You seriously need a better outlet because the cats in the comic are just making you angry. (Much like every other topic of the world that you are convinced that your ideas are the ONLY correct ways of thinking)

I just want you to stop clogging the comment sections with your insistent opinions on every. single. page.

Honestly November 15, 2013, 4:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #265871

Honestly,

3 words “free ****ing country”. Beyond that, here’s a lesson I learned on forums a long time ago. You’re not a mod, you’re not an admin, don’t try to do their job.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 4:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #265872

69 hours :nope:

Marina :3 November 15, 2013, 4:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #265873

Well I have to say, coming from experience here, that they are both at fault. I mean. Mike is should have said something, but not like like how he did. Telling her you hate her isn’t right, but she also shouldn’t have done that to herself.

I seriously hope to see a comic with Lucy in it soon, I really want to know how she is coping.

LAEwolves November 15, 2013, 4:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #265875

Honestly, I’m only posting to say this. It’s an online webcomic. You all need to step back, everyone, and remember you have real lives that don’t revolve around the anonymity of the internet making people grow self-righteous/rude. I like the story, personally, I may not agree with some of the way it has been, but it’s just that. A story.

Kodak November 15, 2013, 4:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #265876

@buchanen_neket

I did not know the internet was considered a country. Do you hail from the land of the internet? I should have assumed.

Though I do enjoy how much power you think you have over people’s opinions or morality. Just a little bit of an ego.

@Kodak

I’m just pointing out that his opinions are the bulk of the comments these days. And his attitude towards everyone who poses a simple disagreement is insufferably condescending. And angry. All the time. Just felt like finally being the one to say it after eons of seeing him rage on every page at the other civil commentators.

Don’t worry, I won’t say anything further on the issue. ;)

Honestly November 15, 2013, 4:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265877

Awesome.

Eko November 15, 2013, 4:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265878

Honestly,

It was a phrase, nimrod. But the internet itself was created for the free exchange of ideas, information, and, guess what here’s a shocker, OPINIONS. Also if I wanted to I could easily get into anyone here’s head and royally screw with it. It’s not that hard and doesn’t take someone having “power” to do it.

Next i’m not trying to sway an opinion, i’m pointing out my own opinion to others in debate. Also respect is earned not given, you come at me like an dick i’m going to treat you like a dick. You don’t see me being condescending to Boh, supertails or some of the other vets around here.

Now i’m going to get off this subject before suitcase has both our nuts for getting off topic this long.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 4:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #265879

The history lesson haunts Mike. *spooky voice goes oooooooooohohhhhhhh*

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #265880

@Honestly
Understandable. Either way, to be on topic, I’d like to say though I like the progression to his admittance, I felt the way Lucy’s dissapearance was done could’ve been handled better, as it seems that it would put more perspective to the situation, but that maybe resolved sometime other.

@buchanen_neket
I may agree with some points, but be civil! And if you are trolling, try not to!

Kodak November 15, 2013, 4:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #265881

I am civil. Trust me this isn’t even close to me being uncivil. if you want to see that go back to December, I really cut loose back then. and no, i’m not trolling, this all started with me making one statement about not liking where this was going and *wham* people start in on me and it escalated from there. I’m understandably (from my own perspective) defensive. They poked the bear, Kodak, they poked the bear.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 4:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #265882

Weeell Mikey you DID kind of spaz at the teacher who wasn’t even going to pair you up with Lucy in the first place and then you DID kind of rip into Lucy right when she was trying to be positive about your relationship with Sandy and you DID kind of tell her she was a parasite who’s friends would all leave her…. …. … so you DO have a major part to play in it all. :P

So does she, of course. But you kind of brought it all to an angry, destructive boiling point. … of your own volition… … :P

Busty Laroo November 15, 2013, 4:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #265883

I hate you taeshi! i hate you i hate you i hate you! Why a cliff hanger now!!?? You cruel cruel person!!!!!

Woodensword November 15, 2013, 4:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265884

@buchanen_neket

Awww buchan, lighten up. You really do get a little too emotionally involved in the sections. It wasn’t really it statement, it was a rant. Which people here love to dig in on in defense or offense.

Anyway, I think Mike is about to get some retribution or guilt relief if he confesses. :)

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 4:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265885

Wait a minute. Abbey’s the only freshman in the room that is sober and will be able remember every moment of the party while everyone else will have a hangover from the booze. Michal is about to tell everyone, whether they be drunk or not, that he pushed Lucy to suicide. And since Abbey has the power to expel anyone who bullies someone and bullying can sometimes lead to suicide, that means…. Holy ****! D:

Rocky November 15, 2013, 4:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #265886

@Rocky

OHHHHHH plot twist. Nice call there. Besides he alreadys hates Mike for treating Daisy the way he did. I totally feel like this should be a plot direction if it isn’t already.

Maybe Mike would just move to Sandy’s school.

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 4:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #265887

@buchanen_neket Seeing as we’ve started this conversation in metaphorics: In that case that would make Mike the paranoid or delusional killer, they do get a lower number on the ”Scale of evil” but they’re still murderers and suffer the consequences.
@Rocky Ohh that’s an awesome twist! Kudos for noticing!

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 4:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #265888

Rocky,

Ehhhh, I wouldn’t say Abbey has the power to expel, that’s still the principal’s job. Class president is really a fancy title for the person making extremely minor decisions about school events and a few other school related issues (when abbey made that promise I don’t think he realized how little power the class president has in shaping school policy). Policy (which is what bullying would be held in) is usually set by the school board (county and state) and the power to expel still lies with the principal and the principal alone. He does have the power to slug mike, but that depends on how he sees the situation. He could see it as a case of bullying or he could see mike as the victim of bullying and thus empathize with him.

@B-dawg,

Not really, I hate to keep using this one, but Zimmerman won a self defense for a can of skittles and a tea can. Granted it was the getting his head slammed into concrete that proved it. But you could have called him delusional yet a state court of law decided it was valid self defense. Perception’s a tricky mistress man.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 4:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #265889

For what it’s worth, Taeshi, I appreciate the tension you’re building and you are quite the master (mistress?) of the weekend cliffhanger. I knew you were going to do it too, and it still caught me off-guard how big of one this is. Hurrah!

jhornb02/Anon November 15, 2013, 4:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #265890

I’m sure Rachel and jess are still sober enough to remember along with David who has unfortunately not put a lamp shade on his head yet. All this drama over comment is funny.

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 5:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #265891

Well current Lucy wasn’t bullying so it depends on whether Abbey blames her for bullying Mike which led him to eventually bully her.

It’s kinda like a circle. I like to think current behavior speaks louder than the past. People change every day.

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 5:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265892

Lickit&stickit,

Remember who we’re talking about here and his past. This is the same guy slammed a kid against chain link because the kid was “picking” on his little sister. Abbey sees any abuse as wrong remember, if mike says he felt abused it could lean Abbey into Mike’s corner.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 5:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #265893

@buchanen_neket Yes, because compared to ‘a can of skittles and a tea can’ getting your skull bashed in is a completely unimportant detail of mortal danger :/ Sorry, but if you don’t find me some bloody concrete in the case we were discussing prior, your client (Mike) is still just a murderer.

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 5:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #265894

@buchanen_neket

I think you are trying too hard to get Abbey on Mike’s side. Attempted suicide due to bullying seems more extreme than just bullying. Both are bad, but one sort of trumps the other.

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 5:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #265895

B-dawg,

It was originally found as self defense, this was before the concrete became a factor. GZ was let off on self defense originally because he shot when he perceived a can of skittles and a tea can as a weapon (at least that’s the story we got from the media). Granted this changed later as the case was pushed into trial, but the fact remains, that he got self defense for perception of imminent danger to self. Maybe not that he would die but that he was in danger of severe harm. That was the point I was trying to make, you only need to lay the groundwork for perception of imminent danger to self to prove self defense and again that trumps crime of passion.

@Lickit&stickit,

What bullying on mike’s behalf? Kind of got to prove that, it’s easier for mike to show a pattern of abuse from lucy that can get Abbey to empathize, closer to a bullying pattern. For proving mike was a bully? it was a one night outburst, hardly bullying.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 5:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265896

History essay..? Must be for the research they did in the museum, hmm?

Angelkins November 15, 2013, 5:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #265897

@Lickit&stickit Mike claimed he was “leaving the table in January” but I couldn’t tell if he was being serious or not.

@Rocky I’m pretty sure Lucy didn’t commit suicide, and Abbey and others are Sophmores, except for everyone else who’s a Junior or Senior

$adiq November 15, 2013, 5:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #265898

@buchanen_neket If I’m following what you said correctly, we are speaking of a man with severe head trauma who shot another man who later on turned out to be his attacker?
If that is the case then it fails to prove your point. The man was not mentally ill, he was wounded and in distress, even if the man he shot was innocent, the worst GZ would have got is a charge for manslaughter. While Mike wasn’t wounded nor in current distress, that makes his attack an uncalled for and delusional one, and if it happened once it will happen again.And that is why people get locked up in these sort of cases, or in Mikes case deserve punishment.

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 5:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #265899

In real life everyone’s best option would be to leave time heal the wounds and pherhaps exchange a sorry much, much later for them’all to move on.

However, since these guys here are drawn teenage cats and dogs in a webcomic, I’m just enjoying the story and waiting for Taeshi to amuse me with it as she (and not me) sees fit.

GuiltyPleasureChocolate November 15, 2013, 5:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265900

B-dawg,

Perception, perception, perception, I’ve said it a hundred times. How something is seen by another. That’s the case I’ve been trying to make here. Mike perceived Lucy as an imminent threat to him. Perception doesn’t necessarily mean reality. Using another for instance the US navy has anti fraternization regs, when you go through 3rd class training you’re taught to not even be SEEN alone with an airman because somebody could PERCEIVE you as fraternizing with that airman. Even if you aren’t that perception is enough to get you captain’s mast. Perception is everything is the catchy little motto they had us memorize to keep it fresh in our heads. Same thing here, in self defense perception is everything, the one who gets shot may not have been a threat but appeared threatening, what matters is if it can be proven that a person had a valid claim to the PERCEPTION of imminent danger.

For mike we had his perception of years of behavioural patterns of her being nice to manipulate him and when that didn’t work she’d hit him. At the SoC, as it were, we had, from his perspective, we had a repeat of the same pattern he had seen for years. He had no knowledge of her changing those patterns, so to him it seemed she was manipulating him which sparked his anger then fearing imminent physical assault he struck first to protect himself with a verbal assault that continued to build in anger as the retaliation continued as he recalled the past more and more. Till he reached a point he entered a blind rage of saying things that he wouldn’t have otherwise (parasite, worthless, etc).

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 5:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #265901

Glad to see that some people at least finally understand that it isn’t only Mike’s fault. Just wanted to point it out ;)

Man with a Paper Bag November 15, 2013, 5:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265902

Maybe cause it is >.>

Random dude November 15, 2013, 5:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #265903

@Angelkins
Nope it was the paired essay mentioned in December, go check it out if you need!

jhornb02/Anon November 15, 2013, 5:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #265904

@$adiq
Sorry, I meant to say ‘attempt suicide’ and sophomore. But it’s too late to change it now :unsure:.

@B-dawg, @buchanen_neket, and @Lickit&stickit
Fellas, calm down. I only wanted to give my theory on what would happen in later chapters. Hell, I got that theory from TVtropes, and I didn’t even mention the part where Abbey would say while Lucy tried to change her ways and got better with time while Mike acted like a jerk to her since the vacation. I didn’t mean to cause so much harm to the comments. ;_;

Rocky November 15, 2013, 5:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #265905

@buchanen_neket

Again, you miss my point. :( And you are incorrect if you don’t count Mike’s Lucy-hate tormenting after the confession as bullying. Examples include, the whole Paulo debacle, the angry shouting in class over the assignment, the blatant disrespect and hateful words. But wait, before you go all, well Lucy deserved that too because her physical abuse etc, just stop. It’s not an eye-for-an-eye in bullying.

You can be friends with whoever, but you don’t have to openly antagonize/hate-spew any ex-friend you had issues with every time you see them or hear what they are up to. That’s poor character.

More importantly, Lucy’s bullying did not cause him to seize up and decide to stop living like Mike’s bullying did. Duration doesn’t matter as much as the outcome in this case especially when you consider that Mike only considered himself as being bullied after Sandy told him on multiple occasions that Lucy wasn’t his friend for doing what she does. (Which part of this had to do with him wanting to align his thoughts with Sandy’s and part to the actual bullying from Lucy)

Oh @rocky haha no I only responded to your comment once. I like to tango with buchanen because he often neglects the current fault from Mike because he sympathizes with him most. :)

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 5:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265906

@buchanen_neket Welp now that I know that I’ll just go take my sword and kill every jerk that ever made me feel endangered, because according to you, the law will understand my PERCEPTION :love:

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 5:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265907

Ow wait David already had a lamp shade on his head. But still Rachel a jess and David are not drunk so they will remember. Amaya is not drunk either but she won’t tell :x

Blue fox November 15, 2013, 5:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #265908

Hahaha @B-Dawg you are awesome. That had to be the funniest thing I read all day.

And I agree that there is no way Lucy was currently threatening Mike. He just had a bee in his bonnet over being forced to work with her because “Oh mer gurd, the TEACHER is also trying to pair us up together even though I was picking on her in class like a douche, I’ll show them. I’LL SCREAM AT HER UNTIL SHE CAN’T WORK WITH ME.”

He felt like screaming at her would make up for his lack of discussion about it for years. It was pent up butthurt over an issue that already passed. ;)

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 5:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #265909

Lickit&stickit,

Bullying is a methodical deliberate action of physical and psychological torture for the result of intimidation of a victim over a period of time. If a big kid beats on a smaller kid, would you call that bullying? No, it’s an assault (if the smaller kid doesn’t swing back). But if the big kid continues to beat on the little kid for an extended period of time then it does become bullying. For the former you can’t prove that the bigger kid attacked out of intent to intimidate the smaller kid, he could’ve just been ****** at the smaller kid for stealing his GF. For the latter you can prove because you have a pattern of behavior.

And here we come to the big enchilada, I knew this was coming. Mike had a partial influence on lucy, If anything her environment AS A WHOLE lead to her attempted suicide. I’m really getting sick of this one, It’s partially mike’s fault for going over the top, it’s her friends fault for not speaking up earlier about her issues, it’s her parents fault for not paying attention to the changes in their child and taking appropriate action, that goes for her teachers as well for not stopping her from assaulting others as well as not noticing she had issues and AT LEAST have her go to see the school therapist (and you can’t say they might not have one, I went to a school where my graduating class was only 30 students and we had a therapist assigned to the school).

@B-dawg,
I’m done, I tried to explain it and you want to go off into far left field. PROVABLE perceived threat. You have to be able to prove the threat. It’s like if someone breaks into your house, they’re unarmed. You shoot them, you get self defense because you perceived them to be a threat.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 5:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #265910

Actually her behavior is her friends, teachers, and parent’s fault for not correcting.

Her suicide attempt was only about Mike and his shenanigans.

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 6:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #265911

Oh Mike, Even when you’re all kinds of guilty you’re still trying to deny it.

And I see a certain someone here in the comments section is busy being the devils advocate.
Solid employment with all that evidency against ‘em

Rubble'd November 15, 2013, 6:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265912

How, how in the H E double hockey sticks is her suicide attempt solely his fault? He didn’t put a gun to her head and say you better kill yourself. He didn’t sit on her shoulder and say “do it, do it, your better off dead”. He snapped at her, that’s it. SHE CHOSE to try and off herself. and don’t give me that “oh it was him yelling that made her do it.”. nuh uh, suicide ain’t that simple, if that’s the case we’d have a ton of dead kids as the result of parents yelling at them when they are in trouble. It was a factor of multiple things that made lucy decide FOR HER SELF that she was better off dead. If it was a direct result of mike chewing her *** then why did she wait that long to do it? We had several chapters and quite a period of time before she finally tried.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 6:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265913

@buchanen_neket ,,PROVABLE perceived threat” that’s what I’ve been pointing out the whole time, the key word being PROVABLE.
And ,,PROVABLE perceived threat” is exactly what you’ve been lacking all through this conversation, my ‘oh so beloved friend’ !! :)

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 6:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265914

Again, a repeat of the pattern he’d seen from lucy before that would lead to her beating on him again. That’s the provable perceived threat I’ve pointed out repeatedly.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265915

Of cause not all Mike’s fault…
This is a…
历史遗留问题。。。
—All the old problems made it. Today’s situation caused by old power and history…
And it seems that everyone began to notice it after “December”, the “history” essay.

HongKat November 15, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #265916

@buchanen_neket

It was his emotional and verbal abuse that made her commit suicide. I’m not sure what you think these other “factors” going wrong in her life were. She didn’t have anything going wrong other than Mike. Her family was just a family like the rest, and her school life was fine. It literally was Mike’s rejection and then abusive treatment of her afterwards that did it all.

Nobody directly commits suicide after a shoutfest. But for Lucy is was the final proving point in her depression. She feared that Mike was all she had, then he spit in her face and said he was her only friend and that no body else cared about her. Considering she worshiped the ground he walked on, hearing this from him was proof in her head that she didn’t have anyone.

I don’t see much point in explaining this to you though because you are always wishy-washy on whether or not he played a major role in her suicide. Earlier you said something about that he did play a role and now you are backpedaling saying he only snapped at her. Until you can figure this out for yourself, you really shouldn’t be arguing about it. :P

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 6:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #265917

I really hope some focus is put on Rachel after all this…poor girl, her birthday party has been kinda ruined by some drunk sophomores’ drama…

Olivia November 15, 2013, 6:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #265918

@buchanen_neket No, that’s what you call ‘his side of the story’ and it is in no way provable, coupled with the fact that she didn’t DO anything, makes for some pretty pathetic reasoning :nope:

B-Dawg November 15, 2013, 6:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #265919

Oh don’t you try and twist my **** around, I’ve always stood by he had a MINOR role in her decision to off herself. MIKE DID NOT ABUSE HER. Oh so he didn’t want to be around her, that’s abuse now. So I guess I was abusing my ex when I gave her some alone time. Oh and what his rejection is abuse now, so what, he’s supposed to just forget the girl who treats him great, who’s there for him and he’s there for and is head over heels for, for this chick who beats the hell out of him is RARELY nice to him CONSTANTLY calls him an idiot and puts him down? Is that it because he didn’t break up with sandy he was abusing lucy? He even made it clear and tried to break the news of him getting back with sandy as nicely as possible. But oh because he didn’t want to stick his bone in a certain white cat like a certain orange cat he’s suddenly the abusive one.

Give me a damn break.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 6:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #265920

I have to agree that it was mostly Mike’s ”fault” that Lucy attempted suicide.

If we talk realisticly then it wasn’t only Mike’s fault but also others around Lucy like @buchanen_neket has pointed out.

But if we talk through BCB’s view then it was pretty much all Mike’s fault.
Though I agree he didn’t intend to go so far, but his anger got control of him. Don’t say that he meant to completely hurt her, it was his anger that took control. I know how it is. I have hurt tons of people just because my anger got control, friends, neutral people even family. And it always hurts afterwards unless you think you did the right thing. When I didn’t feel much in pain after having unleashed my anger on people then I did so later. How? I saw the affects. I saw what people had become afterwards. :(

Jonas97face November 15, 2013, 6:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265921

Calm down @buchanen.
Let the bear sleep now D:

Jonas97face November 15, 2013, 6:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265922

@buchanen_neket

There you go off on a tangent when I clearly stated some examples of ****** things he did after the rejection.

Did I stutter? I never said anything like that. Look who is twisting words. It has nothing to do with Sandy. I don’t care about the Lucy/Mike thing. He is allowed to reject Lucy and not breakup something that makes him happy. What he isn’t allowed to do is treat Lucy like **** with hateful comments every time he sees her therein after. Especially when she actively avoids him because she realizes he hates her. That’s bullying. Verbal abuse exists sweetheart. ;)

You really are losing your touch on this logical debate today. Mostly by assuming I am one of those crazies that needs to see a ship to read a comic.

Lickit&stickit November 15, 2013, 6:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #265923

Of cause not all Mike’s fault…
This is a…
历史遗留问题。。。
—All the old problems made it. Today’s situation caused by old power and history
And it seems that everyone began to notice it after “December”, the “history” essay. Maybe just after that, it got impossible to reconcile and build the MikexLucy relationship.

10 min edit able time limit…

HongKat November 15, 2013, 6:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #265924

Human beings are weird. That said, these cats are weird to. It’ll probably be best for Mike to get this out though, for him mainly. It doesn’t do any good for anyone else there, however it means he’ll have to stop worrying about revealing the secret, so fear of the result won’t take part in his life anymore. Whatever the social fallout from this, he’ll be free of the secret.

And I don’t hate Mike. Mainly because he’s shown guilt and began to understand that what he did wasn’t alright. And what he did WASN’T alright. If it had been reversed and Lucy doing it to a male then that also would NOT be alright. Because Lucy wasn’t abusive. She was emotionally unstable and didn’t know how to handle her affections which translated into physical violence, which was a stupid way to show affection but we see all the time in tiny humans, but if she was abusive then two things would have happened. One, she would have hit Mike while he was yelling at her to shut him up and reassert power over him, and two, she wouldn’t have been shaken up by what he said because she wouldn’t have cared what his feelings were on the subject, just what her gain was.

Lucy never wanted to hurt Mike. She never wanted to control him. She wanted him to love her and she was an absolute idiot in making that happen, or understanding that she couldn’t make that happen. Mike was going for the pain with Lucy that night. He was trying to DESTROY her, because he no longer wanted her in his life, or at least had convinced himself of that. So he hit her everywhere he knew she’d hurt, played on her emotions and weaknesses, and then just kind of did whatever he wanted until now when she’s gone. He was in the wrong because he didn’t do what he did to assert himself, or get Lucy to stop the physical violence part of her affection, or try to make her understand that he was not romantically interested in her. He did what he did to hurt her and make her suffer because he was mad and he could. And that was why he was in the wrong… that’s why if it was reversed it’d still be in the wrong. It was revenge for perceived slights…. And nothing good came of it.

Allsmiles November 15, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #265925

@buchanen_neket
Okay, but neglect under right circumstances also is an abusive behaviour and, guess what, Mike was doing just that. And giving someone “time alone” if they want it, is a completely different matter.

There is much talk about abuse in the comment section, but I want to remind, that abuse isn’t all about who said what or who beat whom. Abuse is about power inbalance in relationship.

weasel November 15, 2013, 6:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265926

@Allsmiles I just want to say you have one of the most balanced and understanding views I’ve seen so far of the situation.

kettle November 15, 2013, 6:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265927

@weasel,
“Abuse is about power inbalance in relationship”. Then could it not be possible that mike’s outburst be a counterbalance for years of imbalance of Lucy essentially controlling mike’s life (intentionally or unintentionally).

@Lickit&stickit,

“You really are losing your touch on this logical debate today”

You see what anger can do to an individual? and i’m an adult, Mike’s a teenager.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 6:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #265928

I’d have to say that I agree to a great degree with buchey or bucky or whatever the hell. I know where Lucy is. I’ve been there and am still trying to get out of there. The kind of state she is in is a combination of an endless number of factors in her life. And in the end, her attempt at suicide was her choice, questionable as her mental state may have been at the time.

That said, there seems to be misunderstanding about the exact matter we are discussing. Mike was not solely to blame for her choice. He was the catalyst. His actions, in which a single ****up on his part pushed just the wrong buttons, enabled Lucy to put facts together the way she had been trying to.

Suicide is tricky. Most likely, she tried to end it because of the reasoning that she was putting herself out of Their misery. At least at the time.

@Allsmiles Unintentional or not, Lucy Was violently abusive towards All of her friends. Mike especially. And his revenge was for very real pain she inflicted on him, even if she didn’t mean to.

titansCrypt November 15, 2013, 6:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #265929

@taeshi Have you seen the comments? I think majority of them have passed the “Be Civil and be Stay on topic area.” When do you decide to ban people because they are just ruining the comment section.

Guys Stahp November 15, 2013, 7:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #265930

What’s with the number of people here today acting like mods? I’m not one, but mayhaps you should go look through the comments sections of the past there, Guys Stahp. Heated debates aren’t uncommon in the history of this comic and it’s comment section. Further no one’s really gone off topic as for the civility, on my part that was more, what is called in certain circles, a controlled detonation.

buchanen_neket November 15, 2013, 7:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #265931

@Guys Stahp The comic is the topic to be stayed on. The comic is what is being discussed. I’d prefer that this not stop.
This is the most interesting I’ve ever found the comment section to be.

titansCrypt November 15, 2013, 7:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #265932

I hate having to wait two days just for the next damn page to be loaded …

K9 Wolf reaper November 15, 2013, 7:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #265933

Hey everyone! I don’t want to leech of BCB’s popularity, but I’m kinda poor and can’t afford my own advertisements right now ^^’

My friends and I have launched our own webcomics and we’d love it if you’d come and give them a chance. BCB has been a huge inspiration for us and we wanted to say thanks for all the years of entertainment to Taeshi and SuitCase, and of course for giving us the inspiration to strike out on our own ^__^

This here is the link for the comics. Again, we’re poor and can’t afford a lot of niceties at the moment.

http://l-u-landc-e-s.deviantart.com/

Thanks to everyone that checks it out! We’re updating this current strip Monday and will debut the second comic Friday. Tell your friends!

Kris November 15, 2013, 7:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265935

This will be the true test of friendship.
Undoubtedly everyone is going to be hella ****** at Mike for this, but the question is: should they forgive him,
to which the answer is an obvious mess. It wasn’t ONLY Mike’s fault. Mike rejecting Lucy was inevitable and understandable, so he should be forgiven for that. The “history essay incident” however, was., i guess, his fault.
But to be fair, you could argue that Lucy had it coming….. its just that Mike went overboard and said somethings that he didn’t mean

foreveryoung5 November 15, 2013, 7:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265936

Damn it! Monday can’t come fast enough!

Enigma November 15, 2013, 7:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #265938

@buchanen_neket
Why, I have never stated that Mike was the only one responsible for the current situation. I also think that game of pushing blame is a really pointless thing to do even, if we do that to fictional characters.
What you wrote sounds sensible until you know, you realise that Lucy wasn’t essentialy controlling his life? Because if she was, then I suppose Mike would have never befriended Sandy? To become her boyfriend? Well, she was pushy, but not in control. I won’t get into details why she was like that (maybe brothers/family thing), because there isn’t much information about this. All that stuff about the violence in the comic makes my head hurt. First it was for slapstick, but then suddenly stopped being slapstick and at the same time Sue is still choking Mike for slapstick??? I don’t understand.
Putting this confusing stuff aside, I would say that they both did abusive things to each other, but there wasn’t only one person who controlled the other. It was more of a unhealthy realtionship than abusive, or so I think. If I could, I would give one piece of advice both to Mike and Lucy, that sometimes people aren’t cut out to be friends or lovers and that’s okay.

weasel November 15, 2013, 8:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #265942

I love Panel 4. That’s exactly what I did the last time got rat-faced, started falling asleep on the sofa at 1AM.

Masket November 15, 2013, 8:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #265943

And this chapter is called Happy Hour… oh boy

Lloyd November 15, 2013, 8:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #265944

After somebody mentioned that Mike is a Leo, I noticed that David was born the same day as me, and Rachel the same day as my best friend(which name is Leo) and both of us are dogs(Oriental zodiac sign or smth) oМo cool!

JayLime November 15, 2013, 8:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #265948

@buchanen_neket
“Then could it not be possible that mike’s outburst be a counterbalance for years of imbalance of Lucy essentially controlling mike’s life (intentionally or unintentionally).”

Yes, shes totally controlling his life by rejecting his interest for her in past because hes obsessed with Sandy. Shes a total manipulating biatch for encouraging him to get together with Sandy and would glare at him when he at first denied wanting Sandy to become his girlfriend. How dares she be so supportive for Mike being happy with Sandy! Ooooh shes so evil for wanting to be just friends with him and confessing love to a friend-zoned Mike who is filled up with Sandys opinions the most recently. Yup, total evil that white cat. Shes such a unimportand nobody and her feeling are no big deal at all…Just trash her… don’t even think about her problems because she made poor Mike lots of boobos in the first volume! Mike is always right, Mike is super great guy! There is nothing wrong that Mike did and even if he did, he had totally the right to do and gets away with it. Ignore opposing commenters that remind exagtly what happened in the comic because this is all about Mike the poor abused victom! Mike is totally normal and should get away with anything he does because hes such a good guy :smirk:
Just watch him convince the whole group now how this all is Lucys fault just the way he talked with Sandy :D

It totally takes two wrongs to make a right

EvilKitty3 November 15, 2013, 9:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #265949

A long December and there’s reason to believe
Maybe this year will be better than the last
I can’t remember the last thing that you said as you were leavin’
Now the days go by so fast
And it’s one more day up in the canyons
And it’s one more night in Hollywood
If you think that I could be forgiven…I wish you would

Huh? November 15, 2013, 10:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #265950

Oh, man. Here it comes D:

OH WAIT…. have to wait until monday…..

Subaru November 15, 2013, 10:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #265951

come on!

Phillip November 15, 2013, 10:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #265952

I guess I will be uncivil. You people have no care for the comic, or the characters that reside in it. You just use this as a ****ing outlet so you can vomit all the ******** that happens in your lives. I can say the same for myself. Everyone here is ****ed up. Everyone. Especially you, @buchanen_neket

Don’t even bother replying to this comment, as I don’t plan on reading anymore of this cluster**** called a comments section. I imagine this comment will get taken down anyways.

God November 15, 2013, 10:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #265953

@Evilkitty3 You’re kidding, right? Cause I really can’t tell.

HatsuneMiku November 15, 2013, 10:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #265954

ohhhh this is it, please people make a mob and kill him xD

Knight-A November 15, 2013, 11:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #265955

Holy mother of fiction. Y’all get really serious about a comic and it’s underlying themes and conflicted opinions and or bias that come with life. Interesting.

TheOneWithAllTheNotes November 15, 2013, 11:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #265956

People have been accusing buchanen_neket, Allsmiles and others as being biased and being Mike siders. But, in a way, aren’t the rest of the people who are attacking Mike being biased too by only siding with Lucy? There are some who have good points to negate buchanen’s opinions but some are just rude and harsh. Some people just don’t have anything logical to say to negate their arguments so they themselves try to attack people, like buchanen_necket, by joking about his comments, calling his posts rubish or even telling buchanen to shut up. I find both Mike and Lucy at fault. Even though Mike’s response to Lucy’s confession was irrational, there was reason why it was. Sometimes when a person has been hurt for too long, they just don’t know what to do, how to stop it in a calm way. sometimes, to relieve themselves of that pain, they act out. People who have been saying that that’s not true know that it truly is. Everyone acts out when their angry, some are minor (little yelling or just try to ignore the pain)and some are major like Mike. You can’t assume that everyone will react the same way

Sonixnight November 15, 2013, 11:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #265957

@EvilKitty3:
thanks, I wanted to underline those supportive moments from lucy, too, but you did it for me.
so, @everybody:

there’s a reason if mike cries and regrets his actions when thinking about lucy after he went to the hospital. at first he tries to convince himself that he did the right thing because she was a terrible person, and he starts to remember all the bad memories of her, but then inevitably he remembers the good ones, and accepts the truth. this very fact should be the proof that he wasn’t in an abusive relationship, or at least not one nearly as bad as the worst cases described by buchanen_neket.
if lucy had really been that abusive, he wouldn’t regret his actions, especially much time after being “woken up” by sandy, since he should be fully able to see the truth, so that there wouldn’t be any possibility for him to blame himself for everything and fall back in his delusional state or however it’s called.
what am I saying with this? I’m saying that mike’s rage was indeed exaggerated, because when he lashed out against her, he had in mind only the “bad lucy” that sandy helped him discover.
so yeah, it’s his fault because he has been inconsiderate (I don’t know if there’s a better term, maybe “unmindful”?) since he wasn’t considering the “good lucy”.

boh... November 15, 2013, 11:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #265958

Brace yourself for the destructive force of the Hiroshima bomb.

starfighter105 November 15, 2013, 11:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #265959

Ohhhh…..Story time.

PauloXLucy4Evar November 16, 2013, 12:02 AM EST.

Comment ID #265960

p.s. (too late to edit)
notice that I didn’t say “mike didn’t need to say what he felt”, but surely he didn’t need to add all the other things (insults etc.), and he surely wouldn’t have done it if he had both “bad lucy” and “good lucy” in mind at that moment.

boh... November 16, 2013, 12:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #265961

@$adiq Taeshi is clearly trying to dismantle said trope. ;)

Ellie November 16, 2013, 12:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #265962

p.p.s. (FUUUU)
ah, I just remembered: right after receiving sandy’s text, it’s as if he “remembered” about “bad lucy” and, there, he actually neglected the existence of “good lucy”, that had been with him for some minutes/hours til then (and still was).
my guess here is that, despite having witnessed the good side of lucy (maybe even a new one), he convinced himself that she was faking it, or something like that, and thought that only “bad lucy” existed.
so yeah, he had been really really oblivious (or forgetful, I dunno what fits best), other than inconsiderate.
what a shame.

boh... November 16, 2013, 12:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #265963

Ya know what? I totally disagree with all of the people that say mike is just gonna lie and find a way to make himself look better. I also, only partly agree with the ones that think mike is going to be unjustly vilified…..

I believe that mike is finally going to snap. He is going to tell the story honestly or even put himself in the worst lighting on purpose. Then, when he gets blamed by Paulio or Jessica or whoever, he is gonna just take it and say that they are right and that he (still referring to Mike) is the worst piece of **** ever and that it should be him in the hospital not Lucy. He is going to break down and attempt to do something to numb the pain (hurt himself, or drink even more, or get somebody to hit him, or make out with one of the other girls). It is going to be over the top, and gloriously emotional, and every one will be sad or angry, and the fans will rejoice because it is all out in the open finally. That is when Abby says ‘No’ and he stands up for Mike and speaks rationally saying almost word for word what @HarshButTrue said…. That yes, what Mike did was wrong, but so was the way Lucy treated him. Then I think something else emotionally charged with Abbey will happen. But I am not all too sure as to what is is.

Lala November 16, 2013, 12:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #265964

I’m sorry, I just HAVE to do this….

~72 Hours Remain~

Flying Potato November 16, 2013, 12:40 AM EST.

Comment ID #265966

WHO FIGHTS THIS HARD ABOUT A BUNCH OF CARTOON CATS HOLY ****ING ****

CC November 16, 2013, 2:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #265967

@cc
who fights about a bunch of cartoon ponies all around the world 24/7??
people on the internet.

g-haze November 16, 2013, 2:19 AM EST.

Comment ID #265969

I just got laid by my racheal. Girl who just wants sex just because we can. No attatchments, and yes i have a mind **** just like paulo. Sorry for advertising but i feel like paulo right now, i want a lucy in my life but racheal keeps knocking on my door D: If it wasn’t corilating with the character i wouldn’t have said anything but yea :smirk:

JustSomeCritic November 16, 2013, 3:42 AM EST.

Comment ID #265970

Incoming!!!

Arata November 16, 2013, 3:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #265971

I… I can’t even finish reading any of the comments from @buchanen_neket. I honestly feel as though my IQ dropped several points while reading your arguments. It’s a dramatic comic. It is SUPPOSED to be written like this and I honestly can’t believe that someone has to tell you this, but if you don’t like it, don’t read it! It’s not that bloody difficult! I am sorry to tell you but the internet does not need to know every thought that crosses your mind. You’re unhappy with the direction the story is taking? Congrats. Simply hit the back space key on your keyboard, and find something else to do. You don’t need to,make it known to everyone that you’re dissatisfied. It’s common sense. Not rocket science. Good lord. And that pretty much goes for everyone harping on each other here. I highly doubt that Taeshi wants to see nothing but hateful jabs at each other and petty arguments. Now I remember why I never read the comments anymore. Such hate and spiteful negativity..

Kassias November 16, 2013, 4:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #265972

I love this comic somehow and that scares me xD….I wonder what Daisy is doing? and i hope mike dosent do something stupid futher related to Lucy..He should really leave her alone allready.. he done enought..And now next time —> Paulo beats **** out of Mike maybe?

Grumpy November 16, 2013, 4:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #265975

The history essay. You, the top 10 worst freinds of all time one? Guess who`s in the top 3?

Trubeque November 16, 2013, 4:49 AM EST.

Comment ID #265976

I didn’t read all the drama i just vaglie saw, but the story is going fine, if u have an ishue with it then keep it to yourself or don’t read. I’ve never met a comic with such good drama, u want to know whats going to happen to these people, and alittle conflict makes for good drama. For crying out loud pulling lucy from the story is only going to glorify the moment when she comes back. This is good story telling at its best with good 3dementional characters with unique personalitys that are all likeable (except abby :P) C i don’t particuarly care for him and that doesn’t stop me from enjoying the rest of the cast. If u want to pick a side all the more power to u, but the way i c it we constintaly flip flop our opinions the more we see things at different perspective’s. Hell my cristmas/Bday present to my self is book 1, Taeshi no matter what anyone says your doing an finominal job :)

JustSomeCritic November 16, 2013, 5:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #265977

@buchanen_neket
Give me a damn break.
Only when you stop with your strawmanning using your own baseless arguments as leverage and taking every other posts or the comic itself out of context.


@God
Funny thing is that it’s this level of hostility that got the forum shut down.
Except it were the moderators and IRC ********** group that instigated the hatred.
And when you complained about the lack of forum, the response were basically “lol use IRC”.
Going from the ashes and into the flames sure is a solution.

Marf November 16, 2013, 5:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #265978

@everybody who are attacking @buchanen_neket

Really. Your saying that he’s bad and everything like that, either for protecting Mike or for becoming a little bit rude. Well it’s no surprise if he gets rude. I would get rude if I was getting constantly attacked at all sides D:.

Some of the commenters that have said that buchanen is rude are rude themselves. They are even more rude, they start by blowing at him and flaming, so I say what better are you then him then Mad Lucy.

Okay I hope I have made my self a little clear since I’m not gonna take this further cause I can fell the tension in the air D:.

Jonas97face November 16, 2013, 5:37 AM EST.

Comment ID #265979

@buchanen_neket
About girl-boy thing - I’m not starting anything since that is very simple: most of cultures make it very clear what is demanded from a women and a men. If you’re a male and unable to get your issues solved out you’re a *****.

And I’m rather sure someone will vomit some psychological studies on me anytime soon, but bear that in mind: civilisation functioned thousand of years mostly using said cultural model - without your fancy studies, without psychologists telling men it’s ok to crap their pants, and they should really be proud of it.

So if someone is defending Mike with this argument I have only two things to say: Man up ladies and grow some hair on your chest.

Commander_Zero November 16, 2013, 6:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #265980

Would kill to get the forums back just to get all this obnoxious arguing off my front page. Mad Lucy

daft_inquisitor November 16, 2013, 6:48 AM EST.

Comment ID #265981

UGH THAT CLIFFHANGER >~

Hamsterzrule November 16, 2013, 7:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #265982

@Harsh but true: I disagree! First Mike’s friends where blind and tough that: one Sandy was fake and two that Mike ACTUALLY still liked Lucy, so that’s why they though he was being an idiot. You should also take in to account what Paulo has always said, he WANTS to be there for Lucy, he sees no reason why Mike would not like Lucy because he is blinded by his own feelings.

Lucy is a fragile girl whit a tough exterior and she tough that Mike was the only one who understood her, apparently she was VERY wrong, not only does he not understand her even one bit, the one that really does get her to a T is Paulo. When she lost Mike, Paulo was the one she went to she was getting better, but then David got his nose into things and like always Paulo made wrong decisions because of someone else’s influence, analyzing him I believe that is his worst flaw. On top of Paulo making wrong decisions Mike was angry that Lucy looked for confort from someone else, remember? That was mean, he practically wanted her to suck it up and suffer alone, witch is extremely selfish. And then at the end of the dialogue in December Lucy still tough Paulo was a true friend, instead of letting her go already Mike simply had to crush even her last hope. That was outright mean. Believe me no matter what someone does to you, if you really want to be a “good guy” it’s a bad idea to seek revenge, act like a selfish person and on top of that crush that person out of pure rage. I have personal experience on that. Someone that wrongs someone else on purpose, does not deserve to be forgiven that easily. He may not had planed it, but he COULD have just told Lucy to go home, he did not need to crush her self esteem and he knew what he was doing.

Mike may care but I still believe he is a coward. He never got the guts to speak up ‘till now and Lucy’s friends deserve to know the truth, that he lied about them in a moment of rage when the only thing Lucy wanted was a chance to be FRIENDS again and she had even stopped being abusive. Now he was the one being blind, and there is nothing worse then being blinded by anger and rage.

On the Paulo and Rachel issue I have to say that the situation is no one but Rachel’s fault when she was consoling Paulo I am sure he told her about Lucy and it’s OBVIOS Rachel know Paulo LOVES Lucy, none the less she still flirts whit him and slept whit him on top of that NO ONE besides Mike have called them official, not even Paulo or Rachel, so he could just be assuming that they are when they are not.

Rachel when to console Paulo, but as I see it she took advantage of him being depressed and slept whit him. Because, come on, girls are not the only one’s that can be taken advantage of, it actually may be more easy to do this to a boy then a girl. From my point of view what Rachel did was wrong and if it hurts her it’s her own fault. She know what Paulo feels for Lucy but she insists on being all over him? Then serves her right, she need to understand that his feelings have not changed just because she flirts whit him. Paulo is very weak at this moment an Rachel took advantage of his weakness. So I can not ship them, I am against that relationship, because she is not who Paulo truly loves, and they both know it, if they keep going they will only get hurt, more Rachel then him.

Vanilla November 16, 2013, 7:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #265983

Yeah that’s right! Out with it already so you can get what’s due!!

Follarch November 16, 2013, 7:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #265984

The colors on that bottle are so pretty. *W*

Ravako November 16, 2013, 7:31 AM EST.

Comment ID #265985

@Vanilla woah, that’s one damn long comment you got there. And, just saying, we don’t know for sure that when Paulo woke up in Rachel’s bed that he had slept with her, even if it was implied. But, anyways, WOAH LONG COMMENT

And, is it me, or is Jessica getting paler? I mean, not by shock, but just in general fur colour?

Carindel Girl November 16, 2013, 7:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #265986

@Caridel Girl: yeah… It has been a long time since I commented. I have like 6 to 7 years reading this comic… I have firm opinions. Also I have noticed the Jessica thing too.

Vanilla November 16, 2013, 7:50 AM EST.

Comment ID #265987

Am I the only guy who reads bittersweet candy bowl?

Thatoneguy November 16, 2013, 8:19 AM EST.

Comment ID #265988

You all need to simmer the **** down. So what if people support or fill more sorry for Lucy or Mike. Get over it and comment on the current page at hand. And why you all got to be all over buchanen_neket case. Leave him alone.

Blue fox November 16, 2013, 8:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #265989

It’s funny how people got all offended by other people exchanging their oppinions. Seriously if the story is good enough to cause so many emotions it’s a good thing. I know some people do believe human communication should be one big colourfull ceremony of asskissking, but that’s no Care Bears episode, it’s goddamn life! People have different oppinions which lead to debates, bah even arguments, and that’s all good and healthy for you. You can confront your point of view with someone else and therefore expand your vision.

Something you definetely won’t achieve by sucking **** out of someones else ***, just saying.

Commander_Zero November 16, 2013, 9:22 AM EST.

Comment ID #265990

“You see what anger can do to an individual? and i’m an adult, Mike’s a teenager”

“what is called in certain circles, a controlled detonation.”

Hahahaha, apparently some of you overlooked me saying that. i’ll give you fine folks a bit of time to figure out what I meant by those two phrases. I’ll give you a hint, I never do anything without purpose.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 9:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #265991

Mike’s gonna tell the truth. why? BECAUSE Mike IS a stand up guy. He’s honest, loyal, and has deep moral fiber. That’s why we like him.

the thing that happened between him was just as much his fault as it was Lucy’s, but he shares blame. I don’t know how many times that’s already been said in this forum, but it bears repeating. Lucy was wrong to bully Mike, her friends were wrong to bash Mike without trying to understand where he was coming from, yes I agree.

But Mike was wrong to let his emotions overwhelm him, and further, he was wrong not to come to grips with the feelings he was developing for Lucy.

He was starting to fall for her. he acted out because he was afraid he would be untruthful to Sandy, and that scared him. he’s around Lucy all the time, so it’s only natural. Mike shouldhave found a more tactful way to do this though. neither his anger nor his history justifies his actions.

if you know there is a better way to handle your emotions, you have a responsibility to do that.

Meridian November 16, 2013, 9:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #265994

@buchanen_neket

:( Actually, you have been abusing the section for your rants about life as an outlet for a while and no one has really said anything about it until now. I actually feel like you’ve gradually told everyone about your life and how it relates to something in the comic and that’s where you set the basis of your arguments on every subject.

And this is not an example of control detonation especially if you did it on purpose like you said. :/

Let me step into your logic for a second.

If you really want that eye-for-an-eye thing, he’d abused her feelings (with the constant push and pull and pretending she was Sandy) then she’d assault him. And I guess by all of your above arguments that should be fair right? Because both people got “what they deserved” after they had that whole perception of danger bit. Even still the last weeks before the argument where filled with more hateful comments from Mike against an evasive Lucy. Which means Mike still was WAY overboard after he ended their friendship. Continued to make fun of her each time they crossed paths, and up until he told her all those awful things.

I do not absolve Lucy of blame. But I think the relationship they had was unhealthy and filled with physical abuse and emotional abuse from Lucy and Mike respectively. So it balanced out in it’s unhealthy life and did not need retribution from angry Mike in the end.

Lickit&stickit November 16, 2013, 10:54 AM EST.

Comment ID #265995

Lickit&stickit,

Yesterday was done as an example. Not the other days. Anywho, how can I speak on something if I’ve never experienced it before. That’s my philosophy, I use those examples because they back up my opinion and show personal connection. I could blather on about studies and research and all that junk till i’m blue in the face. However that accomplishes nothing just leads to a *********** of back and forths, but connecting it to a personal experience and BAM I’ve got some instant credibility on the subject because I’ve lived the experience.

and yes I do believe in eye for an eye because I believe in karma. That everything balances itself and Lucy was looooong overdue for a backlash. You are obviously of the opinion of “an eye for an eye makes everyone blind”. That’s all well and good, but that’s not how life works. At some point and time there will always be retribution for your actions, regardless of your belief system, it’s the order of the universe. You do bad, bad’s going to happen to you, you do good, good’s going to come to you.

That’s why I’ve defended mike so fervently, I believe his actions in December were karmatic retribution on Lucy. However this is not easy to explain at face value so I’ve had to break it down point for point why Lucy had a backlash coming. As for mike, when he had his outburst he was virtually neutral on the Karma scale as he repaid his debt for the past when he almost died saving lucy and ended up falling off the cliff.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 11:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #265996

And there I break from you, Buchey. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind is an extremely cliche sentence, but it makes the point well enough. Hurting someone because they hurt you may provide and emotional relief, but all it does is propagate a never ending cycle of emotional damage and broken lives. Lucy had no right to treat Mike or any of her friends the way she did. That did Not give Mike the right to treat Lucy the way He did.

Honestly, aside from characters who are flat out portrayed as violent sociopaths (Alejandro, maybe Roger), this comic has no good guys or bad guys. It just has a bunch of idiots who don’t know how to not hurt themselves or each other. That’s just me, though, and I don’t claim to know much.

titansCrypt November 16, 2013, 11:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #265997

Sloooooow….

Whinnie November 16, 2013, 11:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #265998

My least favorite page….although Mondays might just be my favorite :)

kitty777 November 16, 2013, 11:50 AM EST.

Comment ID #265999

titansCrypt,

as a sidenote right off the bat i’m not saying Lucy or Mike are bad guys, but for the sake of this point I have to be specific as to what i’m talking about.

Cliché, yes. But it’s the most valid statement for that mindset. Yes it’s an endless cycle and in the perfect world there would be no need for negative retribution. The fact is though that’s not the world we live in, there are bad people who do bad things, because of that it’s necessary for others to get their hands dirty to protect civilians. Whether it’s a cop gunning down an armed suspect, a SEAL doing wetwork, or a body guard dropping a crazy to protect his client. That’s the real world, the world you’ll see when you’ve served, when you go on patrol, etc.

Now do those who suffer retribution always bad guys? No, usually the retribution is equal to the amount of negative or positive Karma that has been obtained. It could be accrued over a life time. Like the dirty business man who has been separated from his family, has cancer, etc and so forth. Was he really a bad guy? Probably not, but he was unscrupulous and made bad decisions, thus has suffered for a lifetime of negative Karma he’s accrued for each action.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 11:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #266000

@buchanen-neket I can’t tell if I should resent you or agree with you. You make valid points but the basis is something I can’t agree with.

Mickey the Luxray November 16, 2013, 12:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #266001

Haha, it’s cool Mickey the Luxray, I understand that it’s not a perspective that others are going to like. I understand it’s not, how should I put this, the nicest of mentalities. That’s why such actions are usually left to select, highly trained individuals who are willing to bear the burden of the blood on their hands for the purpose of protecting others. Honestly that mentality is the only way I can live with the blood on my hands for my role in helping send off fighters, deploying marines, and even the few lives I had to take protecting convoys.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 12:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #266002

@buchanan-neket I’m not saying there isn’t a need to prevent people from doing harm. There is. We do not live in anything close to a perfect world. We live in a pitiful cesspool of a world. What I’m saying is that personal vengeance is different than that. Mike’s actions were an attempt by him to take personal vengeance on Lucy for the harm that she did to him. Was what she did to him awful? Yes. Was what he did to her awful? Yes. Maybe more, maybe less, but her actions don’t justify his. They may explain his, but an explanation is not the same as a justification.

Personally, I don’t believe in Karma. I understand the concept and it’s a reasonable enough idea, but I just don’t think it’s right.

titansCrypt November 16, 2013, 12:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #266003

And that’s your viewpoint titansCrypt, personally I see Mike as an instrument of Karma. An instrument of Karma can take many forms, it could like I was pointing at, the soldier. It could be, for a positive, coming into some money. Another negative, going back to the dirty business man, cancer. That’s why I don’t feel that Mike’s act was an act of vengeance, it was something that started out as a mild tongue lashing that karmatic forces took control of to use Mike as an instrument of Karmatic retribution (in this case his anger detonating to a point where he had no control over what he said).

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 12:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #266004

Let’s chock it up to spiritual (religious?) differences and call that subject done.

Honestly, if I could say anything to Mike, or Lucy for that matter, it would be the following. “Yes, you ****ed up. Try to do better next time.” Maybe that next time isn’t with their relationship. Maybe they just can’t make even a friendship work with all the history they’ve got between them, at least not until they’ve both put some major work into resolving their issues. But as long as they are alive they can keep moving forward, making new connections, and trying to live their lives as best they can.

****, we’re getting Really philosophical in here. Thoughts on other characters? I’d love to get your viewpoint on a few of the other cluster****s that these clueless kids call social lives.

titansCrypt November 16, 2013, 12:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #266005

“We speak in different voices, when fighting with the ones we’ve loved”
- Saosin, Voices

Sleepingfox November 16, 2013, 12:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #266006

48 hours x-x I cant wait… so much drama, and mike is finally going to tell the truth to everyone

eagle November 16, 2013, 1:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #266007

I wouldn’t call it religious as I don’t believe in religion per se. I believe that Karma is a force of nature, much like gravity, karma is essentially the best explanation I have for the force that creates order and balance. That basically the extent on my belief, that the universe, our lives, and the planet are governed by a set of laws and several different forces of nature.

Anyhow, my view on other characters, i’ll be simple on this one:

Paulo’s the **** up king, kid really needs to sort his life before he even considers a relationship. Further he needs to decide if he actually loved Lucy or if he just lusted after her as it seems to me once he got to stick his pickle in something he calmed down a bit. He also needs to back off on his friends, the kids such a mess and now he’s gone to pulling others to his level.

Daisy, she’s just a spoiled princess. ‘Nuff said. Yeah she’s alright but god damn she needs to get over those abandonment issues because it’s really screwing with her perception on issues.

Abbey just needs some weed. Just kidding, but the kid does have a major rod up his ***. I get where he’s coming from, coming from an abusive situation myself I get that ideal of being overly protective. If you get out of those situations in most cases you tend to want to never see it happen to another person. You make yourself strong enough to protect those you care about. But that kid has more issues than just coming out of an abusive situation, he’s a way too protective.

That’s off the top of my head, any others you want my opinion on.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #266008

Alright, so it’s more philosophy than religion. I believe much more in physical laws and, above all, cause and effect.

Fair stance with Paulo. As far as I can see he’s much more infatuated with Lucy than he is an in love with her, but he doesn’t know the difference between the two. The museum showed his childishness, which isn’t really bad, but the party is showing his immaturity despite the growth he’s had. What I try to keep in mind is that Paulo was never really taught how to mature, or anything along those lines. His dad is most likely an alcoholic, going from what’s been seen, and while I do think he takes care of Paulo, I don’t think he really raised him at all.

I take the same sort of stance with Paulo’s immaturity as I do with Lucy’s clingy, abusive tendencies and Mike’s abuse victim mindset. It’s a problem, but nobody ever actually told the characters that it was. I’m hoping to see the same sort of growth in him that Lucy and Mike went through (hopefully without a lot of the problems it resulted in), where after the problem is pointed out, the character makes progress in improving. While Lucy did struggle a bit (or a lot), she made a lot of progress in cutting back her abusive tendencies, and Mike almost completely snapped out of the state he was in. Granted, Lucy got much more codependent and Mike’s gotten very paranoid, so we might see the emergence of other flaws. We’ll see how things go.

Still having thoughts on the others.

titansCrypt November 16, 2013, 2:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #266009

Hmmm, I can understand that, however for me there’s some things that can’t be explained by physical laws. That why I extended my belief into, I guess you could call it, the metaphysical aspects of life. Things like order, chaos, etc and so forth. Like the human body, how it’s subject to enormous pressures, how it’s a near perfect biological system. So perfect that if even one thing goes wrong with it, too much/too little of an substance, entering the wrong altitude to quickly and it near shuts down or self destructs. It’s the perfect example of order and balance. Vice versa you have a combination of chaos turning to balance in our planet, it’s birth was pure chaos that resulted in creation through a balancing of factors.

But in both these cases, the question has to be asked, how? Could it be coincidence that our body’s can only remain on the surface without proper technologies. Is it coincidence that our planet is in the perfect orbit, the perfect rotation as not to freeze or scorch it. Perfect enough that life can be sustained? I personally feel coincidence doesn’t stretch that far, however I don’t believe in some all knowing creator so the only answer is that there must be some as yet undefined law that governs these things.

Anyhow, back on topic. Honestly I had hoped this was going to be a growth chapter for Paulo, it’s a perfect setup for Paulo getting a good shock to the system. But it seems Taeshi wants to use this chapter to recap a couple things, and have Mike make a confession.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 2:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #266010

I’d agree that there is some sort of metaphysical. All the mass and energy in the universe, the big bang itself, had to come from somewhere, and it can be analyzed endlessly but at some point an origin would exist where a physical effect has no physical cause. Therefore it Must have a cause that is not physical, and a metaphysical one is the only alternative I can see.

Back to Paulo, I think he may already have received that shock, or at least the first one, in the museum. He’s just going to need several to actually push some sort of actual change. It took Sandy three different tries to get through to Mike, and Lucy’s was so absolutely brutal that it started consuming her life. I don’t know, maybe Paulo will get called out for how awful he’s being to Rachel. All these ****er’s need to get called out for the way they’ve practically ruined her party at this point.

Seriously, the girl’s gotta be crying inside.

titansCrypt November 16, 2013, 3:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #266012

I wonder how many of these BCB “essays” Taeshi actually reads… shouldn’t you guys take your fights to the forums? Lol internet people make me laugh XD

It’s a cat comic. Entertainment purposes, bros :P

Anu November 16, 2013, 3:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #266013

And here is where everything comes to a head…

I truly do wonder how everyone is going to take the news, especially in the state that they are in. I already have a hunch that a few people would decimate him (Paulo and Sue), but others are truly curious as to what happened…and only Mike knows.

The fact that he actually has the courage to say it is a big thing, but he’s going to be realizing soon that he definitely had a major hand in pushing Lucy to where she is right now; a lot of the assumptions that he made during December are currently blowing up in his face in a major way, and it’s something that he’s going to have to admit.

Ya’ll already know how I feel about both Mike and Lucy at this point; so right now, I’m just curious to see as to what exactly is going to happen next *Gendo hands*

Chocothunda November 16, 2013, 4:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #266014

Oh no lie titansCrypt, I honestly was neutral to Rachel before, but now. This must be pure hell for her. Whether or not she wants Paulo romantically is debatable, but the fact is she does deeply care for him. Now she has to hear about this other girl, at her own birthday no less, and to hear Paulo fawn on about her. He might not mean it this way but he’s basically showing that Rachel can’t hold a candle to Lucy. That’s got to be pure unadulterated hell for her to remain supportive of him. If she comes out of this and is still by his side, then **** it she’s a damn saint in my eyes.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 4:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #266015

I think this is where it all connects to how Mike figured that Lucy would be in the hospital after talking to Jordon

Cloudy November 16, 2013, 6:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #266016

Oh my.

Silveryogurt November 16, 2013, 6:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #266017

@Sleepingfox

OH MY GOSH I LOVE THAT SONG. *highfives*

Lickit&stickit November 16, 2013, 7:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #266018

@buchanen_neket

Yeah poor Rachel. I’ve said before that she is really respectable but I think a large part of Paulo’s beef with taking her seriously is a little because he knows she is far from innocent. I do believe you reap what you sow in that department, so it is her choices that she has to come to terms with her excessive bragging if that’s the main reason why Paulo thinks she “only good for a quick lay.”

And while I hate those double standards they do exist and I think Lucy’s innocence makes Paulo want her more. Almost like she’s more worthy to wed or bed.

Lickit&stickit November 16, 2013, 7:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #266019

oh that’s bull man, so a girl who’s promiscuous, who’s not harming anyone with it is a bad person? It might be harsh but if that’s what Paulo thinks then please someone neuter the little twerp because he doesn’t deserve to procreate. Cripes it’s just sex. and if his vision is that skewed please let him get hit with a huge dose of reality soon.

Hell Rachel’s got Lucy hand over fist in the better girlfriend department from what we’ve seen, she’s supportive of him, doesn’t lead him on, and has a stronger straightforward streak than Lucy does. If she wants sex she just says it (not that that’s the most important thing, but it is to a teen). Hell she’s grown on me a lot from the first time she was introduced in the comic. Jess to a lesser extent (mostly because we don’t know a lot about her outside her backstory), I don’t know i’m kind of liking how she’s handling the situation right now. She’s only really said one line but she’s already shifted Mike from his defensive stance with pretty much a look. She might not be the nicest girl but she damn sure knows how to handle her business.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 7:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #266020

Hot damn guys, y’all need to just calm yourselves on this philisophy. I think they both share the blame, Lucy for being a clingy bitch and Mike for putting her down so brutally. If anyone is still here, I would like to get further into this (although you guys have admittedly covered most of it already). Buchanen_neket, I don’t agree with a few of your points, but your discussion with titansCrypt is proof that you aren’t the rage-hole most people seemed to be taking you for. So, yeah, here’s to reading the comments section way the hell too late and missing out on all the fun arguing.

P.s. Taeshi is amazing.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 8:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #266021

Haha, thanks pancakes, It really was done on purpose (rather some want to believe it or not) to show the effects that anger can have on a person. I WAS a rage-aholic before, however I learned to control it. In doing so I learned to control it another way, I can make myself angry and push myself right to the brink of a blackout. Yesterday I allowed myself to go right to the brink to show how vicious and mean a person can get when they rage. Now there were some kernels of me in my rants, but for the most part it was rage talking and many of those things I wouldn’t have said otherwise. Like a certain grey cat did back in December.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 8:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #266022

Whoo someone’s still on here! So, I’ve read this whole comments section, browsed through a few of the earlier ones that were relevant, and there isn’t really much for me to say on events that have already gone down that hasn’t already been said. In the interest of finding something new to talk about, what do you think will happen after the big reveal?

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 8:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #266023

So flame wars and stuff aside about who was in the right way the **** back in December I DO have to give all the props to Rachel for being so supportive throughout all of this.

Gods this is why you never let alcohol and teen drama mix.

**** like this happens. D:

@Pancakes: Also I do agree completely in that Michael and Lucy are both at fault for their situation.

Tom_atlus November 16, 2013, 8:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #266024

Honestly, Rachel is like the only character who hasn’t lied about who she is or tried to manipulate anyone. Yeah, she’s sleeping with Paulo, but he went after her first, before Jasmine and everything, and he could turn her down whenever he felt like it, so it’s not like she’s being manipulative. A ****, yeah, but one of the best characters just for honesty.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 8:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #266025

pancakes,

I dunno, I think it’s still too early to drop this bomb. A bomb like this would be better left closer to the return of lucy (you know, the classic one two punch) and I don’t think lucy is coming back in the next couple chapters. I think people are about to get disappointed, Mike’s going to start in and something’s going to happen to interrupt him. Either it becomes his turn to blow chunks or he passes out when just starting. That’s my theory on the next few pages because it feels to me like Taeshi’s playing her ace too soon.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 8:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #266026

Dude, I would love to disagree but Taeshi has a history of interrupting potentially dramatic situations just to increase suspense. Considering this scene would be as dramatic, if not more so, later in the story, it’s possible that it will get postponed for that reason. Still though, as much as Taeshi enjoys tortuting us, I don’t think she would let it get to this much of a cliffhanger and then just let it slip. I hope it goes all the way, but I don’t expect it to. Even though I sympathise with Mike, I still kind of want to see Paulo beat the **** out of him, just for the sake of seeing it happen. And, ya know, then having Abbey go Hulk-mode on everything.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 8:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #266027

Uhhhh, yeah I do have to disagree about Abbey. Don’t know why, but my gut says Abbey would sympathize with Mike, maybe even possibly superimpose his past situation over Mike’s situation. This solution would also be good to cause a rift between the group. We know he already hates Paulo, but it would be the final wedge between Paulo and Abbey as we know Paulo would blindly jump to Lucy’s defense. This may or may not cause issues with Abbey and Daisy. It may not because as was revealed earlier Daisy’s abandonment issues may cause her to take Abbey’s side. Sue would naturally go to Lucy and Paulo’s side. It’s basically the perfect catalyst that causes the chain reaction that splits the group.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 8:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #266028

My reasoning is, Daisy being drunk and all, she would probably just collapse, or start screaming at Mike for being a “jerkity jerk”. She has always sided with Lucy, and the whole situation has hit her already messed-up psyche pretty hard. As soon as Daisy was against Mike, Abbey would either try to comfort her if she started screaming, or look for someone to blame if she started crying. Mike would be the first choice, and Abbey has already shown that in times of stress his first resort is violence (although he is trying to work on that). If he stopped to think about it, I think he would sympathise with Mike, but adding Daisy to the equation blurs his judgement.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 9:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #266029

everybody ignored my comments ._.

@buchanen_neket:
please be rational. karma can’t exist as you describe it. what about a newborn child that gets killed by someone/something? did he deserve it? no. so please don’t talk about it as if it was something supernatural that acts ad personam (can’t find a better term).
now, the fact that it doesn’t work that way means that it’s not 100% sure that somebody will get his/her negative or positive retribution. it’s really too complicated, we can’t say it happens every time. so, this means that even lucy may have been struck with mike’s rage without actually having accumulated “bad karma”, or at least not as much as she needed to deserve it. see? it’s not that simple. happenings are way too casual to use karma to explain them.
also, do you remember about that friend of mine I talked you about the last year? (I don’t remember during which chapter)
his story (he died in the end, btw) is the demonstration that karma doesn’t work ad personam and that its “retributions” are so random that it really shouldn’t even have a name…
(also his story, probably together with the ones of maaaany other people, is the indisputable demonstration that god doesn’t exist, but whatever… just saying, if someone is interested…)

boh... November 16, 2013, 9:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #266031

@lickit&stickit: “Duration doesn’t matter as much as the outcome”

Didn’t really see a counter argument to this and I just wanted to disagree. Some people have a greater tolerance for suffering but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for them to suffer more. :/

@Allsmiles: Your a pretty cool guy. I want to see more of your comments. :)

@buchet_neket “It really was done on purpose”
I don’t believe you. =O

Everyone in this comment section blowing up with emotions goes to show just how amazing this comic is. God I love BCB.

Anialator November 16, 2013, 9:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #266032

Boh,

Oh boy, you’ve just dug up a can of worms that’s really hard to talk about. Karma exists because of free will, if there was no free will then it would be fate. That actions happen because of a pre-ordained path a life is supposed to take. However that’s not the case, in your very extreme example, the baby didn’t die because of some retribution it died because someone with free will chose to do it. Because of this that person will ultimately get their’s.

There is an order and balance to the world, I don’t know your friend and I can’t recall your story. But bad **** happens, but it must have a purpose, sometimes it’s karmatic, sometimes it’s simply a counter balance to an imbalance in something. The thing is that metaphysics is not easily explained because it does go beyond our current understanding of how the world and even the universe works. Laws of order and chaos are two of the hardest to define, all we really know is that they are essential in creation and necessary destruction for the goal of maintaining the balance that keeps our planet working.

I’m sorry your friend died, but the only solace I can give is that there was a purpose for it.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 9:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #266033

Yeah, I don’t really agree with the whole karma thing. I watched my Uncle die over the course of a year from cancer in his bone marrow. By the end he couldn’t even move, and he had lost almost all of his body weight. He was still smiling and joking the day he died. So, ya know, I don’t really believe he deserved that.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 9:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #266034

And you can’t really use this comic as an example for real life, because it all comes from Taeshi, and if she doesn’t believe in karma there isn’t likely going to be karma in the comic.

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 9:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #266035

WOW to many comments!
I will continue playing Spiral Knights.

Mr-Hero-Bio November 16, 2013, 9:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #266036

True, but if she’s keeping it close to real life scenarios as possible the idea is going to be in there. Whether or not she personally believes in it or if she even intends it. Best comparison I can give is the Davinci Code in how the writer only intended to create a mystery story but after it was said and done people were finding underlying themes and ideas (even one them that made the catholic church want to ban it).

I’m sorry for your uncle, I know it sucks and I know it’s hard. That’s why I don’t like talking about the subject because it inevitably lead to someone talking about a relative or friend who died before their time. There are multiple laws I apply to my view of life outside of Karma. I see Karma as the version of the law of order on life. But it’s not fail proof, the planet has to maintain balance. So sometimes bad things happen to good people. For Boh’s case it sounds like unnatural circumstances, for yours i’m sorry, i’m so sorry, but when a persons time is up, it’s up. Something will be enacted to begin the countdown timer, sometimes it’s quick but sometimes it is painful. This is one of those things in trying to explain this type of stuff that we have yet to explain why it’s easier for some to pass on than others.

Also, point of friendly advice, you have 10 minutes to edit your post this is to prevent multiple posts back to back.

EDIT: good people, good people, I meant good people, sorry if someone’s seeing the pre edit.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 9:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #266037

@Mr-Hero-Bio, this is an interesting comic about cats, and on a related note THE MEANING OF LIFE

PANCAKES November 16, 2013, 9:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #266040

@buchanen_neket:
the only balancing “force” that affects the whole universe is heat (that is, the movement of particles). when everything will have reached the absolute zero (or at least the lowest possible temperature that allows the existence of life), wether the earth will be a wasteland or the perfect world to live in is indifferent. there’s really nothing else to balance.
sure, humans will hate evil people, thus unconsciously contributing to make them get their retribution of bad karma, but you still can’t be 100% sure it will get delivered (same for good karma), so it isn’t really an infallible balancing “force”. since it isn’t infallible, it’s not scientifically measurable (through statistic researches) and thus shouldn’t be used to explain why things happen. it’s better to use good ol’ “analisys and logical reasoning”.

“the only solace I can give is that there was a purpose for it.”
there’s no purpose. just effects.

p.s. nobody still said anything about my first comment (+ post scriptums) lol

boh... November 16, 2013, 10:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #266041

Tae-sensei, the gradation on the beer bottle is very beautiful :)

Ngeh November 16, 2013, 10:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #266042

Boh,

I hate to steal from a subpar movie but take it away Agent Kay “Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you’ll know tomorrow”

Now this can be taken many different ways, but the basis of it is that we really don’t know a thing about our world or our universe. Listen i’m tired and I could go on into my personal theories and point to the idea that “energy can’t be created, only redistributed” in the basis for my ideas on life and death and how it correlates to if there is an excess amount of energy in one spot it must be counter balanced and since energy can’t be created in another area some energies must be “fragmented” in the area with excess in order for it to shift to another area. However it would be pointless, I believe that there is a law that explains the currently unexplainable. You believe in, whatever you believe in. I can imagine what you went through made you the way you are, just like the battlefield made me who I am. So let’s just agree to disagree on this one.

buchanen_neket November 16, 2013, 10:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #266043

I know it’s usually suitcase who says this but, there is a forum people. Made for these conversations. Dig it.

Twoplusfiveequalsseven November 17, 2013, 12:08 AM EST.

Comment ID #266045

I don’t think Paulo really loves Lucy. Like @buchanen_neket has said, he needs to sort himself out. He’s like Daisy with Mike. Daisy was obsessed with Mike. Paulo is obsessed with Lucy. Paulo and Daisy have already appeared to be like brother and sisters. Paulo watches over his little sister. But not as much now that Abbey is there and especially when Abbey thinks Paulo is trying to hit on her. We already saw his look on Paulo during the chapter ”Study buddy”. So yeah. Paulo really needs to sort things out in his life 8-)

Jonas97face November 17, 2013, 5:21 AM EST.

Comment ID #266046

Simply put it’s because like Waspinator before you you are simply this universes chew toy.

Always have been, always will be.

Steel Wings November 17, 2013, 5:34 AM EST.

Comment ID #266047

@ Twopwouldtequalsseven the forums are gone. I actually went to Taeshi on the IRC the day they announced they would be closed and asked why she hated the forums so much and do you no what she said? It was the fans. She couldn’t take all the members bringing up the same old **** and putting each other down and getting there feelings hurt because somebody made fun of them. She was going insane because sadly Some of her fans are stupid and annoying. As I read all the comments here I am reminded why I stopped posting here. This is really no different from the forums.

Blue fox November 17, 2013, 8:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #266049

Everyone’s going crazy about this but I can literally see the subject being changed and us spending a whole other year with the gang having no idea of what happened between Lucy and Mike

Somewhat November 17, 2013, 10:48 AM EST.

Comment ID #266050

I was like this before it happened. I’m only 100% rational. I don’t think it’s good to believe in something before being certain it exists. that’s how religions were born, for example.

boh... November 17, 2013, 11:26 AM EST.

Comment ID #266051

Maybe, but it’s one of those things, Boh. We would never find discoveries unless we first take a leap of faith. If Columbus had only accepted the currently held beliefs because it was a certainty the Americas would have never been found. If the wright brothers had accepted the certainty that man was never meant to fly then we never would have found aviation. Every great discovery in history has been the result of someone saying “what if what everyone believes is wrong, what if this isn’t certain” and then takes a leap of faith to begin the path to prove the currently held belief wrong.

buchanen_neket November 17, 2013, 11:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #266052

@buchanen_neket
you’re right we would never find discoveries unless we take a leap of faith, but you give examples and call things certainties that actually were beliefs. The discoveries were made because those people didn’t believe what everyone else believed, and tried to prove their own believe. And proving is, as im sure you know, pretty much 100% rational.

P.S. : i’m kinda re-saying what you said, which means that you were actually contradicting yourself with the last thing you said and the core of your comment.

Blackthifer November 17, 2013, 12:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #266053

They are certainties to me, not a 100% certainty, but a certainty. Just as when Columbus set sail he wasn’t 100% certain, but he had a belief he was right. My certainty isn’t 100% but is slowly getting backed by some things being found. The Hadron super collider (i’m sure I misspelled that) is one point in this subject. It’s been a while since I researched the findings but these findings are lending themselves to Law of chaos and order. But the biggest issue is that metaphysics itself, which is where a lot of my theories are founded, is actually something being studied right now. So it’s not just blind belief (which is what religion is) there is some basis for my believing this is how things work.

Now i’m going to get off this subject because we’ve skewed off topic for far too long and I can sense a suitcase sized disturbance in the force approaching.

buchanen_neket November 17, 2013, 12:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #266055

Sorry for still continuing on this subject (only this comment)

But in my eyes something is not a certainty unless it’s 100% certain.
Now i’ll just let it rest because certainties are just subjective.(or objective, i don’t know which one is the right one, i want the one that means that it’s different for everyone.)

Like you said in a comment before to someone else, let’s just agree that we disagree.

Blackthifer November 17, 2013, 12:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #266057

@Blue fox
Going Laissez faire regarding rules & moderation and the discriminating among members by tolerating shitposting and hazing from some /i>”just because” they were friends with them or were also Moderators were a big part of it.

Second part is that Suitcase isn’t a pleasant person to be around since he’s incapable of reading his own posts in somebody else’s shoes.
There were more than a handful of examples of that on the forum.
Although there were many more core users participating in bad behavior, he sticks out like a sore thumb, since logically and reasonably he should act and be a example of how you SHOULD act, not how you SHOULDN’T

If anything, then the hostility came from the top of the hierarchy and trickled down, and when it got out of control, those who started it didn’t take their responsibility and learned from their mistakes, but instead shifted the blame on convenient scapegoats.

And when there were no more scapegoats or petty excuses left, it got closed.

Whittle November 17, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #266058

Uhh @buchanen_neket

New discoveries have been found. That the Wright brothers weren’t the first people to fly.

And also we Icelaners were the first Europeans to find North-America. The name of the discoverer was Leifur Eiríkson

Jonas97face November 17, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #266059

*Icelanders

Jonas97face November 17, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #266060

i think i understand. neket. the actions or possible reactions that can happen in the world are so immense that truly a butterfly flapping its wings can cause a hurricane to happen in another part of the world. what do i mean by that. well.. let’s put it in the context of the comic. back when lucy was in the roof top and Alejandro was about to stop lucy from jumping. and lets say that a man that can see the future. stop alejandro. and told him to let her jump. and lets say that Alejandro. said dude wtf.. i wont let one of the people that i know kill herself. she has so much to live for!? and the man told him.. do you see that girl over there near the corner. she will see lucy’s suicide and change the way she sees the world. growing up and starting a foundation that will save the lives of millions of kids. and will make her friends come together and become better persons. can you justify the death of one . for the salvation of many.. we truly dont know the things that we do will affect the people around us. nor what kind of effect an action will have. all what we can do is accept it our bad actions and learn from them. something i hope mike will finally learn. also they are many what ifs. and its that IF that many of us come to regret. but we never see the good that can come of a bad situation. we just see the bad. i am sorry for all those that lost a loved one. but either A you can mourn them. respect their passing and change your lives for the better and remember them. or B say life is not fair. and cry and mourn and never see the good things that you do have. and just complain about it. i dont know about the people here. but already by the age of 7 i have had to go to over 4 different funerals, and seen the horrors of war. does that mean i am going to become a bitter person. or let that stop me from chasing after my dream of being an artist. no. but its sure as hell not going to stop me from remembering them and living my life to the fullest even if that means dying tomorrow. all i can hope is that my death makes someone else make some good in the world.

SeaRiver November 17, 2013, 1:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #266061

@SeaRiver

It was Augustus ;) that stopped Lucy on the rooftop

Jonas97face November 17, 2013, 2:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #266062

Wooooooo I’m glad the attacking comments stopped. Right on. :)

@Blue_fox

Actually part of the reason I like this comic is because of the ability to post your opinion on the events and share with others. Sure you might read something offensive occasionally, but for me I like the broadening it does for my own viewpoints.

People get too set into their opinions to see the side of anything else. I think when you get exposure to both sides, you get a better understanding of your stance. BCB does this very well. I suppose if you want to live in a world where everyone agrees and shakes hands and has the same experiences, well life would be pretty boring then.

Lickit&stickit November 17, 2013, 2:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #266064

@SeaRiver & @Jonas97face

Lucy Mad Lucy made it clear that she was not about to jump anyway

o_o November 17, 2013, 3:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #266065

@o_o I never implied that she was gonna jump XD. I only said that Augustus stopped her.

I was only correcting @SeaRiver of his mistake. For it wasn’t Alejandro that she met on the rooftop but Augustus. I find it weird though that SeaRiver failed to notice Augustus’s name :/

SeaRiver. Just remember that Augustus looks like this ;)

Alejandro is the street thug that attacked Lucy and the gang during the chapter ”Confrontation”.

Alejandro promised revenge on Mike and Lucy though, and Augustus is revealed to have been in league with him. So I’m always wondering when he’ll strike D:

Jonas97face November 17, 2013, 3:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #266067

suddenly, everyone breaks into an elaborate song&dance routine.

GoolTheFool November 17, 2013, 4:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #266069

Holy **** keep writing novels up there! it took me 2 minutes to scroll to the bottom!

Maith1 November 17, 2013, 5:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #266070

There might have been things I missed
But don’t be unkind
It don’t mean I’m blind
Perhaps there’s a thing or two

I think of lying in bed
I shouldn’t have said
But there it is

You see it’s all clear
You were meant to be here
From the beginning

Maybe I might have changed
And not been so cruel
Not been such a fool
Whatever was done is done
I just can’t recall
It doesn’t matter at all

You see it’s all clear
You were meant to be here
From the beginning

elp November 17, 2013, 5:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #266071

listen strider, all the discoveries made in the past could be done now through scientific studies. as long as we study the world scientifically, we will miss nothing. karma is nothing supernatural or actually existing. it’s only a name given to the tendency of happenings in people’s lives (I hope the sentence makes sense in english), and the term wasn’t invented by scientists, so…

by the way, I became rational thanks to that friend of mine. he taught me to stop believing in things without asking questions and thinking. it’s not that my rationality is the sad result of some bad experience in my life. I’m actually happier than any religious man will ever be (since they lie to themselves and will always be disturbed by rationality, knocking at their heads).

boh... November 17, 2013, 6:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #266072

Boh,

What does the past level of tech and practices have to do with the present spirit of discovery? That’s like saying “oh if Native Americans had modern weaponry they would have pushed back the settlers.” Not that simple, yes past discoveries were made with inferior tech but it doesn’t diminish the spirit of discovery each man had. No Karma wasn’t a term created by a scientist, however it’s the easiest way to explain my stance. Everyone has some base understanding of what Karma is. If I said my belief is the belief in balance of the planet itself and when something is that powerful to maintain a planet and the universe itself like a cogs in a machine then it can ultimately effect people’s lives. Like how if a person is near radiation without shielding they can get effected by it, similar thing. or how gravity can effect the aging process.

Now which would you rather me try to explain it like that or use a simpler term that even a layman can understand.

buchanen_neket November 17, 2013, 7:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #266073

@buchanen

You were doing so well. Behave. ;)

Lickit&stickit November 17, 2013, 10:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #266074

Whatever Lucy’s reason was to leave without telling anything, I bet she wanted to avoid this drama to ever happen in the first place :/

EvilKitty3 November 18, 2013, 12:16 AM EST.

Comment ID #266075

Wow, I wasn’t aware that this page attracted so many comments. I’ve had a busy weekend coping with (and responding to) the news that my immigration application is delayed, and helping my mother move house. I hope some of you will see my responses here.

@buchanen_neket and friends

If you’re upset by seeing Mike being criticised, then yes, these next few pages may upset you. But if it helps to know, both your authors are morally ambivalent about the Mike and Lucy thing and we try to make sure that shows through. Remember, no character is a mouthpiece, and all characters are pretty flawed.

FWIW I don’t think your commentary is offensive and I appreciate your posts. I think people here shouldn’t be so quick to pounce on generally thoughtful posters. It’s kind of disappointing, because this kind of thing rubs off on us, and the rest of the internet assumes we feel the same and can’t accept criticism. It is not true.

By all means, yell at people who are pointlessly abusive, but don’t get upset when somebody expresses strong emotions backed up by some reasonable observations.

@PANCAKES

I don’t think there’s a single time we’ve ever chosen to insert artificial suspense in the comic. It has always just been coincident with whatever seems like the best way to pace a scene or subplot properly.

@Twopwouldtequalsseven and @Blue_Fox

The quote from Veronica about “hating the members bringing up old ****” was not an ongoing forum problem, it was something that occurred when I announced the forum be closed. We had a flood of people who had previously been banned (or made declarations to leave forever when their friends were banned) coming back to offer commentary on how badly the forum was run. Veronica and I feel those people are utterly awful for reasons not worth going into, and it frustrated Veronica to see them coming back to stretch the real reason the forum was closed (a lack of purpose and an alternative, friendlier imageboard idea we later chose not to implement) into a sense of vindication.

Some BCB fans are definitely stupid and annoying. But that’s true of human beings. The forums weren’t full of annoying people, but there was an unfortunate group of them that evolved in a kiddy pool we really never should have let form. Again, I’m a little upset that this is misremembered and spread around the internet as if we’re both hostile to all readers, or as if those people were people who chose to criticise BCB and we just couldn’t handle it. It was more a matter of us trying to remove extremely unpleasant people who were upsetting everybody.

Anyway, people will remember it as us getting butthurt and there’s nothing I can do about that. For that reason, I am glad the forum’s gone and will fade from memory. I could explain and explain to no avail, but the bottom line is that it wasn’t worth running and the surge of posters with sour grapes in that last thread provided us with the final nail in the coffin, not the reason to close it in the first place.

@Whittle

I’m sorry you feel that way about me. I think if you got to know me better you’d like me more.

I definitely have particular and unusual standards as to what kind of shitposting is rude or unnecessary, and what kind is amusing and worthwhile, but I don’t think it falls down the line of “who is my friend and who is not”. It’s like assuming from this comment section that Veronica and I are anti-critique — not true at all, but the story can be reduced to that in your mind especially if other people assure you it’s the case.

I do accept that the laissez-faire approach was wrong, though. If I had been careful from the start then these communities wouldn’t have formed, and there wouldn’t be such a complex story of “SuitCase vs. the world” to reduce and misremember. I regret it. I’m working to fix it with these page comments, too. It is a principled approach that does not scale.

You are welcome to talk to me about this stuff in IRC or email if you think I’m worth reasoning with, or if you think I’m just scapegoating again to avoid admitting my own culpability in all the conflict. I feel sad that people think this way about me and I really wish I could at least have the chance to see if my arguments stand up when challenged - I’m an intrinsically confident person and you may have something to say that comes from a perspective I’ve never considered. But I understand and accept that you might not care that much, and so life will go on.

SuitCase November 18, 2013, 12:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #266076

@SuitCase, woot honorable mention! Sure, pointing out the whiny, baseless tone of my comment, but it’s till there! Highlight of my weekend. And @boh, what do you mean by rationality? Do you mean in a scientific sense or just as in “If there is a God, why doesn’t he help?”

PANCAKES November 18, 2013, 12:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #266077

I sense some severe hate on Mike coming now….

Christen November 18, 2013, 12:49 AM EST.

Comment ID #266078

@Christen, yes but what is your opinion on God?

PANCAKES November 18, 2013, 12:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #266079

@Suitcase.
Valid points indeed, but the lack of desire to run something does not reduce the need of it. From varying conversations to the sheer mass of code taken by each page, the need is there.
If you and Veronica do not wish to take part, so be it.

I hereby announce the creation of a Bittersweet Candy Bowl fan forum.
Unofficial and created for fans to discuss topics of all kinds. In an organized and appropriate fashion.

PS: my name is not that hard to spell.

Twoplusfiveequalsseven November 18, 2013, 1:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #266080

We would not like a “fan forum” with BCB’s name on it. If you’d like to make your own thing, please use a distinct name and directly contact friends of your own to use it.

SuitCase November 18, 2013, 1:51 AM EST.

Comment ID #266081

@buchanen_neket
Why are you freaking out so bad? It’s an absolutely amazing comic but it’s still just a comic.

kami November 18, 2013, 3:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #266082

It will

Twoplusfiveequalsseven November 18, 2013, 8:29 AM EST.

Comment ID #266083

Just 4 more hours :’D

Marina :3 November 18, 2013, 9:23 AM EST.

Comment ID #266084

WHAT!?

Mr-Hero-Bio November 18, 2013, 9:36 AM EST.

Comment ID #266085

Wow, SO MUCH TL;DR. I’m gone for a weekend and you guys write a damn library on this page.
For what it’s worth, I hope Rachel gets something good out of this for her birthday, and a little booty from Paulo certainly is not in order after the way he’s been talking about Lucy. But then again, she does love drama… and she has received it in abundance…

Also, don’t remember who it was that asked but no, you’re not the only guy who reads this. For the life of my man-card i’ve resisted drama-based stories with every hair on my chest, but this one somehow got under my skin. Again, bravo Taeshi for hooking me enough to almost get the DTs from this weekend without a new page.

jhornb02 November 18, 2013, 9:43 AM EST.

Comment ID #266086

Also many thanks to @Suitcase for your efforts on making this the stellar piece of entertainment that it is, and putting a few people in their places.

jhornb02 November 18, 2013, 10:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #266087

i love how bcb updates on Monday mornings. i always read the new page in computer class and no one would suspect anything 8-D

Paige November 18, 2013, 11:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #266088

@Lickit&stickit and Kami,

Dafuq you guys on about? I am being respectful. Seriously I get ambiguity of text but nothing in my past comments should be construed as me lashing out. Seriously guys, i’m not an angry person usually.

buchanen_neket November 18, 2013, 11:18 AM EST.

Comment ID #266091

Guuuuyyss??

Dat Paulo November 18, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #266145

i got a feeling that its just running a few mins late,not too long will kill u,tho when lucy comes back she IS highly either gonna kill mike or sandy

Lokion123 November 18, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #268245

Honestly, I believe we’re missing the point.
One of the biggest traits in this comic I’ve noticed is that bullying, regardless of who does it, is never forgotten by its victims, and those who do it are made to answer for it somehow. Tess was… well, putting it nicely, she was a piece of work. She’s better now, but Jess and Rachel have *not* forgotten what she did to them, and she answered for it with their continued distrust of her (at least on Jess’s part. Rachel’s a bit harder to tell) and for a while mistreatment. Jess and Rachel were called out for their mistreatment of Tess rather harshly in turn, courtesy of Lucy.
Lucy abused Mike. There’s no use denying what she did to him. She abused Mike consistently, and physically striking someone with the intent to cause them pain for ludicrously menial reasons counts as abuse. Regardless of her reasons, she was a bully. She eventually stopped hurting Mike and tried make amends, but Mike did not forget what she did - and she answered for it with Mike becoming annoyed by her emotional dependence on him and it culminated in him verbally tearing her apart in December.
But Mike hurt her, badly, and he deliberately meant to do it. That makes him a bully. In this comic, bullies are called out for what they do.
So now it’s his turn to answer for it.

Adam November 27, 2013, 12:26 PM EST.

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